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10/2 – Declarative Rabbit Says…

Batman #680 was awesome, but I hope that twist at the end (no matter how well executed it was, and it was extremely well executed) is just a feint and not the actual Black Glove.

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Rabbits care about gloves?

i’m assuming if people have read this far, they’ve read the issue, so spoilers away:

i got that it was that she was just working with the black glove. she was the red next to the black glove’s black. side by side, like the dead man’s hand.

Never doubt Morrison’s ability to shock the heck out of you.

I don’t think Jezebel Jet’s role in all this is as clearcut as some might say after this issue.

I’ve done my best to keep up with this story, I really have. And I did rather enjoy the whole “Batman of Zur-en-thingy” stuff, too. But this issue just lost me completely, and I’m not really just talking about a general sense of confusion. I mean, lost as in “meh, whatever, I don’t care anymore”. That whole thing with the Joker randomly cutting his tongue in half – wha? How is he even still speaking? Yes, he has a forked tongue. Talk about hitting you over the head with it.

The ending was a flub, too. At least I *think* it was.

Was Bruce sent into la-la land by the petals mixing? Why did he mention the floor tiles? They were red and black too, but was the problem that the petals mixed with each other, or did he collapse because the red and black tiles “mixed” with the red and black petals?

Please, someone explain this thing to me.

I kind of LIKE the idea of her as the Glove. It makes a lot of the previous ‘meh’ stuff about her over the last year suddenly look very cool.

How did people not see it coming? Jezebel? The biblical allegory telegraphed it from miles away.

@Thekamisama:
Thats the things, it was predictable in a GOOD way.

I thought the issue was godawful. Then again, I only keep reading Morrison’s comics to try to figure out why so many people like them. So far I’ve failed. All-Star Superman, Kill your boyfriend, Fantastic Four: 1234 and The Filth were pretty decent, but far from great, and for all his faults, I’d rate Mark Millar way higher as a writer. Morrison’s comics often read as stream-of-consciousness weirdness — there’s no logical narrative, no characters you care about, and while I can like comics because of their sheer weirdness, Morrison’s breed of weirdness seems dull to me, compared to, say, Mark Beyer’s. Does anyone have any explanations for (or links to explanations) why Morrison is well-liked? I just don’t get it.

(For reference, some of my favorite writers are the 80′s incarnations of Jaime Hernandez and Frank Miller).

I could probably explain it better if you could explain “logical narrative” and “no characters you care about.” Of the Morrison stuff I’ve read: I cared about Kyle Rayner (his JLA), I cared about Emma Frost, Cyclops, heck ALL the New X-men, I cared about Superman (in All-Star). I’ll agree that Fantastic Four:1234 and his creator own stuff tends to be hard to follow, but his JLA, X-men, and Superman have been pretty straight-forward.

One of my main issues with Morrison’s writing is that he has a hard time writing interesting villains. They’re all ranting madmen. The Club of Villains are dreadfully generic, and they’re all completely throwaway (there may be something interesting with le Bossu, but he’s dispatched way too fast for it to go anywhere). Even the Joker is losing what made him work.

Frankly, I don’t care about any of these bozos : they’re not characters, they’re plot devices. And Batman fighting uninteresting villains that’s missing the point for me.

Well .. you knew Jezebel wasn’t on the up and up when she was questioning Bruce’s motives in the Batcave right before the drugs set in.

Oh, I’m totally cool with her being IN on it – that’s definitely cool.

I just mean I hope she’s not the actual Black Glove.

I think Morrison in an interview a while back said he was shocked that readers had not guessed the villain and that all the clues were there. So yeah, something tells me it’s Jezebel.
But here’s the thing. There are still plenty of unanswered questions, chief among them being who is Dr. Hurt really?
Sometimes the thrill of a mystery is the mystery. Other times it’s the mystery AND how its told. I think Morrison has really done a masterful job in building up this storyline, weaving in parts of the Bat-mythos (Talia coming to Gordon’s aid/Bat Mite/ The Joker/ the international Bat-men) while adding his own touches and some new characters.
And if we have ONE of the major shocks – Jezebel – revealed in this issue, I’m sure there are more surprises next month.

On a side note – Anybody here wondering whether we’re going to end up with a Bat-title that kind of mimics what Brubaker has been doing with Captain America for the past few years? I.e. a “new” Batman learning the ropes/proving himself. Or do we think this is all a feint and Bruce Wayne “WILL” still be Batman.
Maybe the person who is really dying here is the Bruce Wayne identity.
Maybe what happens is he is either revealed to the world as Batman or fakes his death or something and Batman is just plain Batman. No secret ID. No hiding.He’s now just out there. There’s no more seperation between the two identities. They “merge”. That could be what the RIP stands for – Rest In Peace Bruce Wayne.

> “I don’t think Jezebel Jet’s role in all this is as clearcut as some might say after this issue.”

I think its clear–she’s a villain, a part of the plan.

That doesn’t mean she’s the leader. I doubt it.

> “Maybe the person who is really dying here is the Bruce Wayne identity.”

Yeah, this has been one of the big theories for a while. After all, pretty much everyone involved in this plot seems to know who he is by now. Sure, Morrison could just blow them all up with a big bomb at the end… but I don’t think he will.

My take: He escapes dying, but is outed. He then quits being Batman–for a while at least. But when he eventually comes back he will spend a few years (until some future huge retcon) with no more secret ID.

And this implies that Robin and Nightwing have to be public too. I mean, would it make ANY sense that Bruce could be without them being revealed?

The preview for the next issue says that the Black Glove is revealed there.

Don’t worry. Knowing Morrison, the Black Glove is an idea or something.

Color me unimpressed. All the goodwill that I’d built up for Morrison after reading All Star Superman bleeds away when I’m reading this book. The only inspired moment this month was the bit about the true nature of BatMite’s 5th dimension – the rest just lacked any human resonance whatsoever. The villains’ motivations are as unclear as Batman’s own journey.

But hey, I guess it could be worse. Hush could be involved.

Codename assassin- I think the people who are still guessing she has a different role don’t want her as the villains so for them it was prdictably in a BAD way.

I haven’t been reading batman, but from these comments I have to wonder: Jezebel Jet? As in jet black?

> Jezebel Jet? As in jet black?

An amazing coincident is… she IS black.

Really!

If you can’t find characters to care about in New X-Men, Doom Patrol, Animal Man, or We3, at least, then you may just be interested in a different kind of character than Grant Morrison writes about.

And the praise for Mark Millar’s character work leads me to believe that’s the problem. I’ve always found Millar’s characters to be too callous and superficial for me to connect with any of them as much as I connect with Morrison’s introspective, reflective characters.

How in the bluest of blue hells did anyone at all think that Jezebel was meant to be the Glove?

“Color me unimpressed. All the goodwill that I’d built up for Morrison after reading All Star Superman bleeds away when I’m reading this book. The only inspired moment this month was the bit about the true nature of BatMite’s 5th dimension – the rest just lacked any human resonance whatsoever. The villains’ motivations are as unclear as Batman’s own journey.”

Exactly how I feel. Each issue has at least one really good moment, but on the whole Morrison’s Batman is a lackluster mess.

The “Damsel-in-disress-that-turns-out-to-be-in-on-it” is such a genre cliche that I’m surprised anyone didn’t see it coming. I was expecting this reveal sooner or later. But no, I don’t think she’s the Black Glove. Morrison also said that he was a character that “everybody in the world knows”, and that sure ain’t Jezebel Jet. I’ve still got a hunch it’s Alfred, because that’s the type of stupid-ass thing DC likes to do these days.

Oh, and Tony Danial isn’t helping things at all.

“The “Damsel-in-disress-that-turns-out-to-be-in-on-it” is such a genre cliche that I’m surprised anyone didn’t see it coming. I was expecting this reveal sooner or later. But no, I don’t think she’s the Black Glove. Morrison also said that he was a character that “everybody in the world knows”, and that sure ain’t Jezebel Jet. I’ve still got a hunch it’s Alfred, because that’s the type of stupid-ass thing DC likes to do these days.”

Hopefully not after the beating he got. But I think everyone guessing Jezebel wasn’t in on it were more desperately hoping it wasn’t the case than anything else. And everyone in the world who’s reading this now knows who Jezebel is.

Bruce Wayne Jr.

October 5, 2008 at 2:14 pm

Declarative Rabbit is bending over backwards to laud this book.

Mike McNulty a.k.a stillanerd

October 5, 2008 at 11:52 pm

“The “Damsel-in-disress-that-turns-out-to-be-in-on-it” is such a genre cliche that I’m surprised anyone didn’t see it coming. I was expecting this reveal sooner or later. But no, I don’t think she’s the Black Glove. Morrison also said that he was a character that “everybody in the world knows”, and that sure ain’t Jezebel Jet.”

Actually, there were quite a few who certainly suspected Jezebel from the moment she started questioning Bruce’s purpose for being Batman, not to mention her being able to see the trigger word. And yeah, it certainly is a bit of a cilche, which is why I think there are readers who still refuse to believe that she could be the Black Glove even now, but, given that she fits the whole black and red motiff (quite literally and symbolically) and that there have been little hints throughout her appearances (Scans Daily has posted the scenes she’s been in during Morrison’s run) and, if Morrison means that the Black Glove has been there “since the beginning” of his run, she appeared in the first issue of Batman he wrote).

Oh, and she is someone “the whole world knows about.” She’s a world class model and practically the head of an African nation, if you recall.

What’s the link to the guy that’s deconstructing each episode of Morrison’s Batman RIP? I could use a detailed explanation.

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