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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,

The reason that Storm is &#039;racialised&#039; is that if someone was going to describe Storm one of the first things they would say is that she&#039;s black. Being black becomes a major part of stories she is in, in a way that say being white isn&#039;t an important part of Jean Grey&#039;s character. This isn&#039;t necessarily a criticism as it is essentially impossible for a American story to be &#039;race-blind&#039; without just ignoring race, as whiteness is so normalised in American discourse. The problem that I think Sam is talking about (without putting words in his mouth) is that when the writers decided to make a black character they ended up with some contrived Egyptian thief African Princess, rather than a character that relates in anyway to the large majority of black people in America who just grew up in a normal family like the large majority of white people in America. When you average (read white) American writer decides to write a white character (or more likely doesn&#039;t decide to make them any other race and they end up white by default) they don&#039;t generally become some exotic European nobility (although that probably describes Scarlet Witch pretty well). You could reply that comics are allowed to be contrived and that there&#039;s nothing wrong with having one black African princess and you&#039;d be right, IF Marvel had a large number of other black characters with more normal lives. When answering the criticism that Marvel didn&#039;t have many black characters, I don&#039;t know that Storm was quite what they had in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>The reason that Storm is &#8216;racialised&#8217; is that if someone was going to describe Storm one of the first things they would say is that she&#8217;s black. Being black becomes a major part of stories she is in, in a way that say being white isn&#8217;t an important part of Jean Grey&#8217;s character. This isn&#8217;t necessarily a criticism as it is essentially impossible for a American story to be &#8216;race-blind&#8217; without just ignoring race, as whiteness is so normalised in American discourse. The problem that I think Sam is talking about (without putting words in his mouth) is that when the writers decided to make a black character they ended up with some contrived Egyptian thief African Princess, rather than a character that relates in anyway to the large majority of black people in America who just grew up in a normal family like the large majority of white people in America. When you average (read white) American writer decides to write a white character (or more likely doesn&#8217;t decide to make them any other race and they end up white by default) they don&#8217;t generally become some exotic European nobility (although that probably describes Scarlet Witch pretty well). You could reply that comics are allowed to be contrived and that there&#8217;s nothing wrong with having one black African princess and you&#8217;d be right, IF Marvel had a large number of other black characters with more normal lives. When answering the criticism that Marvel didn&#8217;t have many black characters, I don&#8217;t know that Storm was quite what they had in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: ZZZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZZZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 05:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

The idea was to come up with the five characters who were intended to be feminist icons that fell farthest from the mark, so I left Jessica Jones off because the entire point of her character has always been that she was a mess. Manhunter, I&#039;ll admit, I just don&#039;t know anything about. I&#039;ve only ever seen her in Birds of Prey, and she never did anything especially shameful there. She may be a good fit for the list if you read her series.

As for Wonder Woman, you make a good point that she&#039;s come a long way from her origins, but you can&#039;t overlook the fact that in the days of Rosie the Riveter, she was getting tied up and spanked a lot; and that when they tried to make her &quot;more feminsit&quot; in the &#039;70s, they did it by taking her powers away. She&#039;s much better nowadays, but it still bothers me that she&#039;s the most prominent female superhero, yet nine out of ten non-comic book readers are more likely to remember the invisible jet and the &quot;in her satin tights&quot; line from her theme song than one of her actual powers. Among comic book fans - and this may say more about the sites I visit than the character herself - the only time she seems to come up in discussion is when someone complains that she&#039;s only considered one of DC&#039;s &quot;trinity&quot; as a token female. In other words, it&#039;s not so much that the character doesn&#039;t deserve respect as much as the fact that she roundly fails to engender any that makes her a subpar feminist icon. 

(And I don&#039;t know when the last time she lost her powers from getting her wrists bound together was, but it was only a few years ago that it happened to another Amazon - Batman did it by sticking one&#039;s wrists together with a magnetic Batarang - so presumably it still holds).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>The idea was to come up with the five characters who were intended to be feminist icons that fell farthest from the mark, so I left Jessica Jones off because the entire point of her character has always been that she was a mess. Manhunter, I&#8217;ll admit, I just don&#8217;t know anything about. I&#8217;ve only ever seen her in Birds of Prey, and she never did anything especially shameful there. She may be a good fit for the list if you read her series.</p>
<p>As for Wonder Woman, you make a good point that she&#8217;s come a long way from her origins, but you can&#8217;t overlook the fact that in the days of Rosie the Riveter, she was getting tied up and spanked a lot; and that when they tried to make her &#8220;more feminsit&#8221; in the &#8217;70s, they did it by taking her powers away. She&#8217;s much better nowadays, but it still bothers me that she&#8217;s the most prominent female superhero, yet nine out of ten non-comic book readers are more likely to remember the invisible jet and the &#8220;in her satin tights&#8221; line from her theme song than one of her actual powers. Among comic book fans &#8211; and this may say more about the sites I visit than the character herself &#8211; the only time she seems to come up in discussion is when someone complains that she&#8217;s only considered one of DC&#8217;s &#8220;trinity&#8221; as a token female. In other words, it&#8217;s not so much that the character doesn&#8217;t deserve respect as much as the fact that she roundly fails to engender any that makes her a subpar feminist icon. </p>
<p>(And I don&#8217;t know when the last time she lost her powers from getting her wrists bound together was, but it was only a few years ago that it happened to another Amazon &#8211; Batman did it by sticking one&#8217;s wrists together with a magnetic Batarang &#8211; so presumably it still holds).</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Wonder Woman doesn&#039;t belong on the list. She is a product of her time, but she has grown incredibly. She is decades older than several phases of feminism we now take for granted, and her character has been updated since (I don&#039;t think the bracelets rule works anymore, but who knows with DC&#039;s reboots and love of comics-from-when-you-were 12). Also, just because she had a bondage aspect to her character when she was created, doesn&#039;t mean that is still at al an aspect of her character (or at least something to punish the character for). Afterall, Batman used guns back in the day, but he wouldn&#039;t make a list of biggest super hero NRA enthusiasts.

Where&#039;s Manhunter and Jessica Drew? These are contemporary characters created to be empowered women, but they just end up being charactictures (Manhunter has all the personality of a Terminator and Jessica Jones abandonded her entire character at the end of her series to have a lobotomy and became a wife and mother, SKRULL).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Wonder Woman doesn&#8217;t belong on the list. She is a product of her time, but she has grown incredibly. She is decades older than several phases of feminism we now take for granted, and her character has been updated since (I don&#8217;t think the bracelets rule works anymore, but who knows with DC&#8217;s reboots and love of comics-from-when-you-were 12). Also, just because she had a bondage aspect to her character when she was created, doesn&#8217;t mean that is still at al an aspect of her character (or at least something to punish the character for). Afterall, Batman used guns back in the day, but he wouldn&#8217;t make a list of biggest super hero NRA enthusiasts.</p>
<p>Where&#8217;s Manhunter and Jessica Drew? These are contemporary characters created to be empowered women, but they just end up being charactictures (Manhunter has all the personality of a Terminator and Jessica Jones abandonded her entire character at the end of her series to have a lobotomy and became a wife and mother, SKRULL).</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Marino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Marino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as much as i love Storm and i hate to say it, it looks like ZZZ nailed her current status quo. bring back strong Storm!!!!!! also, how is Storm a &quot;racialized character&quot;? what does that mean exactly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as much as i love Storm and i hate to say it, it looks like ZZZ nailed her current status quo. bring back strong Storm!!!!!! also, how is Storm a &#8220;racialized character&#8221;? what does that mean exactly?</p>
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		<title>By: choirsoftheeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>choirsoftheeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with what Sam said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what Sam said.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 01:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good list, although I&#039;d argue that Storm does pretty well as an attempt at feminism and only really fails as an attempt at writing a &quot;racialized&quot; character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good list, although I&#8217;d argue that Storm does pretty well as an attempt at feminism and only really fails as an attempt at writing a &#8220;racialized&#8221; character.</p>
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		<title>By: marvelcomicsgroupy</title>
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		<dc:creator>marvelcomicsgroupy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 01:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice list although the Invisible Girl should have been included here. The 4th most interesting character out of the FF has been run through the ringer over the past 47 years. She&#039;s been a backseat driver since Stan &amp; Jack moved on. OK the John Byrne run in the early to mid 80&#039;s did her justice, but since then she&#039;s been a soccer mom who cries out for attention.

I can almost hear it now...&quot;Start the Fantasti-Car Reed! We&#039;ve got a game to catch!&quot; GROAN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice list although the Invisible Girl should have been included here. The 4th most interesting character out of the FF has been run through the ringer over the past 47 years. She&#8217;s been a backseat driver since Stan &amp; Jack moved on. OK the John Byrne run in the early to mid 80&#8242;s did her justice, but since then she&#8217;s been a soccer mom who cries out for attention.</p>
<p>I can almost hear it now&#8230;&#8221;Start the Fantasti-Car Reed! We&#8217;ve got a game to catch!&#8221; GROAN</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they had called it that, I might have given it more than a passing glance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they had called it that, I might have given it more than a passing glance.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup. House of M should be subtitled &quot;Baby-Crazy Wanda And Her Big Glowing Vagina Destroy Mutantkind.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup. House of M should be subtitled &#8220;Baby-Crazy Wanda And Her Big Glowing Vagina Destroy Mutantkind.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I could tack something on to the case against Scarlet Witch: The whole M-day saga revolves around Wanda suffering from an old-fashioned case of hysteria (i.e. the wandering womb syndrome). She wants children so desperately that she goes crazy. This is Freudian at its worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I could tack something on to the case against Scarlet Witch: The whole M-day saga revolves around Wanda suffering from an old-fashioned case of hysteria (i.e. the wandering womb syndrome). She wants children so desperately that she goes crazy. This is Freudian at its worst.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An entertaining read. Is there a reason why the contributing reader isn&#039;t identified? Is this entirely the reader&#039;s work, or did you contribute to write-up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An entertaining read. Is there a reason why the contributing reader isn&#8217;t identified? Is this entirely the reader&#8217;s work, or did you contribute to write-up?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Curran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Curran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your mom!

No seriously. *

*To be honest, not your mom. I was just going to post the best entries I got from a list inspired by one at Cracked.com up here. And I will. Unless your mom wants to be the prize. Ask her for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your mom!</p>
<p>No seriously. *</p>
<p>*To be honest, not your mom. I was just going to post the best entries I got from a list inspired by one at Cracked.com up here. And I will. Unless your mom wants to be the prize. Ask her for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forget; what was this a contest for again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forget; what was this a contest for again?</p>
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