Comments on: 10/15 – Declarative Rabbit Says…

By: GQ

GQ — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:44:47 +0000

“i just think the idea is really stupidâ€¦how many endless permutations of the superhero concept do we need? havent we seen it all already”

So nobody should bother making new super-heroes at all?

By: DanCJ

DanCJ — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:21:45 +0000

Yeah, to clarify, the Supreme characters up to this series have been DCU analogues. Now with SS #3, theyâ€™re starting to come up with 616 analogues, Cap, Iron man, Spider-Man, etc.

Ah – I didn’t know about that

By: Jbird

Jbird — Sat, 18 Oct 2008 00:40:47 +0000

The first ad I saw for the new Squadron Supreme had this guy, drawn by Land, with a gun so huge that its butt crossed over the shoulder of the character below and to the right of him. That was very convenient as the two characters appeared to be the exact same figure, traced line for line, and the butt of Ash-Man’s gun lines up with Ultimate Ultimate Iron Man’s arm to cover up the area on Figure #2 that is obscured by the barrel of the gun on Ash-Man.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/40/426284-SQDSUP2001%5B1%5D_super.jpg

Please tell me those two characters are at least supposed to be the same person.

By: ThiefTMA

ThiefTMA — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:51:57 +0000

The men laid to rest in the Tomb of the Unknowns in Arlington National Cemetery were all American servicemen – unfortunately, they had no individual identification, hence their unknown status. Not to get too morbid, but their bodies were presumably found in uniform, and that is how they were identified as American.

With regards to the series, however, I find it surprisingly unoriginal for someone like Chaykin. I’m just not finding a whole lot of fresh ideas. “Hey, how about an EDGY version of Iron Man? And Captain America? And the FF? And Spider-Man, except… wait for it… it’s a GIRL! And to top it all off… they all appear in what was originally a parody of the DCU! A parody of the Marvel U in a parody of the DCU published by Marvel! That’s so meta it hurts.” Seriously, I’m not getting anything out of this series that I wasn’t getting out of the Ultimate line. And besides that, none of the major characters from the original series are showing up. It’s like Chaykin just wanted to do his edgy Marvel U and is using whatever brand-associated goodwill the original Squadron Supreme (Strazynski’s version, of course) had built to try and sell it. I always like to give a series at least one story arc to prove itself, but this book is pushing it…

By: Blackjak

Blackjak — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:13:34 +0000

While I’m okay with the actual general idea, I think they need to do a little bit more research…

Kind of like the thread a few days ago about the Magdalene being a secret weapon of the Knights of Malta for 2000 years, when they were established in the 12th Century and are completely pacifist…

If the Tomb of the Unknowns (which I am presuming is another name for the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier??) is for soldiers of unknown nationality, etc., then why is there such an American theme?? Why not a sort of International (UN?) Peacekeeper style? Why not even call him “Peacekeeper”?

For a minute or two I thought it was a Marvel analogue of the Unknown Soldier… Pity…

By: The Mutt

The Mutt — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:07:52 +0000

Hey, I just like watching puppies come running when I whistle.

By: joshschr

joshschr — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:17:51 +0000

Actually itâ€™s like the DCU. The main characters are direct copies of the main DCU heroes.

Yeah, to clarify, the Supreme characters up to this series have been DCU analogues. Now with SS #3, they’re starting to come up with 616 analogues, Cap, Iron man, Spider-Man, etc.

And I apologize if I seem like a thread hog. Some of the reactions to this topic have seemed really bizarre. I’m really curious about the negative reactions.

By: Lawrence

Lawrence — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:14:12 +0000

Well, I think the idea has potential because it could deal with a soldier without a sense of self so holding on to the idea of “country” is the only thing that keeps him going. He doesn’t know who the “real” him is or even if there is a real him, so he distracts himself with his work. Not sure if I’m being clear or not, but that’s why I think it’s a cool idea.

I guess the same territory has been covered with Rogue, but I think the soldier/resurrection part puts a different spin on it.

By: DanCJ

DanCJ — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:12:15 +0000

i would like to clarify that i was never OFFENDED by the idea of a superhero composed of dead soldier ashesâ€¦i understand the comic book is not actually printed on the remains of dead soldiers.

although the first printing of Mark Gruenwald’s Squadron Supreme TPB has Gruenwald’s ashes in the ink. (sadly I have the 2nd printing)

Are you reading Squadron Supreme? Itâ€™s all about retreading superhero concepts we havenâ€™t seen. But with a Supreme Universe twist. Itâ€™s like 616, but Supreme!

Actually it’s like the DCU. The main characters are direct copies of the main DCU heroes.

By: captaintrips

captaintrips — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:50:35 +0000

when the anonymous comments section about a superhero becomes your soapbox, you know youre desperate for attention, mutt

By: The Mutt

The Mutt — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:59:52 +0000

For crying out loud. Ashes are ashes. Bodies are meat. Cemeteries are monuments to the fact that humans are still as primitive in their thinking as they were 5,000 years ago. Any soldier that ever died trying to recover the body of a fallen comrade died in vain.

And any preacher or funeral director who counsels some poor family to bankrupt itself so they can bury Grandpa in a casket that cost more than their car so he can “rest in peace” should be arrested.

By: joshschr

joshschr — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:34:44 +0000

What is disrespectful about it? He’s not being resurrected as a terrorist.

By: Graeme Burk

Graeme Burk — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:27:42 +0000

People need to stop getting offended by things that donâ€™t actually exist, on behalf of the people they think should be offended by them.

Thank you for telling me how to feel. I appreciate getting the memo.

By: Graeme Burk

Graeme Burk — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:25:18 +0000

Itâ€™s not like itâ€™s actual ashes of soldiers. Itâ€™s fiction, get over it.

I’d rather ‘fiction’ find more respectful means of telling stories.

It’s also a dumb idea on top of being tasteless.

By: joshschr

joshschr — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:17:57 +0000

Are you reading Squadron Supreme? It’s all about retreading superhero concepts we haven’t seen. But with a Supreme Universe twist. It’s like 616, but Supreme!

By: captaintrips

captaintrips — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:16:35 +0000

i would like to clarify that i was never OFFENDED by the idea of a superhero composed of dead soldier ashes…i understand the comic book is not actually printed on the remains of dead soldiers.

i just think the idea is really stupid…how many endless permutations of the superhero concept do we need? havent we seen it all already

By: joshschr

joshschr — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:08:18 +0000

I really don’t understand why it would be considered disgusting. It’s not being done in zombie-style. It’s not that different from any other resurrected or spirit character.

By: R. J. Sterling

R. J. Sterling — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:17:26 +0000

I don’t think it’s a matter of being too easily offended, you guys; it’s simply a disgusting idea. Y’all need to grow some good taste.

By: Graeme White

Graeme White — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:08:13 +0000

To me, it just sounds like the kind of thing Rob Liefield would have done in the early days of image, it’s just silly.

And it’s true, there’s no way of knowing if the unknown fallen are even American, so why would he be draped in the Stars and Stripes? Surely he should be covered in the flags of many nations.

By: Bat2supe

Bat2supe — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:01:42 +0000

I don’t find the idea really original or clever but the thing that strikes me is that how can you garantee the nationality of the soldiers since they are unknown.

It’s not a playing with word joke of my part, I remember in History class that since the fallen where unknown…

The surpise is that it took 2008 to have that thing published.