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A hint dropped as to what Bruce knew and when?

How is that awesome? I'm not quite sure why people keep talking this storyline up when it sounds pretty mediocre (the last issue was the only one I read, in-store, so I know I can't judge the whole thing proper). Dini's Heart of Hush is virtually ignored on here though.

D'oh. I need to re-read RIP in one sitting. I've apparently missed a lot.

Either you're being totally satirical, Brian, or it's waaaaaaaaaay past time for you & Grant Morrison to get a room. These continuing mash-notes are becoming embarassing.

Yeah, it's kind of going overboard how Morrison fans will attribute some sort of deeper meaning or meta-commentary to every single letter he writes. I find it hard to believe that it's all planned. If people spent as much time trying to insert meaning into a Chuck Austen script, they could probably come up with the same stuff.

I think (hope) he's being satirical now.

Unless you folks are maintaining Morrison DIDN'T know Jezebel was going to turn traitor, then he must have phrased it that way for a reason. This is How to Read 101.

The reason we don't do this with a Chuck Austen (or Insert-Average-Writer-Here) book is that we know Morrison writes on multiple levels.

its almost like morrison knew what the ending was going to be in advance! but how could he?!

Not really very awesome. Batman RIP is one of the worst things Grant Morrison has ever written.

I'll admit up front that I haven't yet read Batman RIP, but if I were to go into RIP expecting "one of the worst things Grant Morrison has ever written" I'd still expect it to be pretty darn good.

Yeah, stop reading deeper into everything Morrison writes. I mean other than the fact he always says there are deeper meanings to almost everything he writes, what evidence do you have to support doing that?

karl said:

"its almost like morrison knew what the ending was going to be in advance! but how could he?!"

Karl, that's an amazing piece of sarcasm you wrote there. Well done, sir.

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It's also amazing how many people haven't read the story, yet feel they are qualified to comment on the story. To quote something that is often said when somebody starts whining about what has happened in Washington, D.C...

If you didn't vote, you don't have the right to bitch.

Except that I did vote. I voted, with my wallet, against DC's incoherent vivisection of their own intellectual properties. I voted to refuse to support DC's ham-fisted attempts at turning a very good children's comic into a snarling and unpleasant book for emotionally stunted adults. I voted to not buy Batman RIP because everything I'd heard about it suggested this was just going to be another "shock" storyline where "nothing will ever be the same again!"...until two years down the road, when it really, really is.

I'd say it's the other way around. If you're continuing to subsidize bad comics by buying them, you don't have the right to bitch.

Clearly, only the people who haven't read something have the right to critique it. Isn't that just common sense?

Oh, wow * rolls eyes *
I guess that was ' the Devil's ' fault, too, eh ?

alan - ive read every issue of batman since no man's land, get off your high horse

I don't understand some of these comments. I kind of liked Batman RIP, but if I were twelve or thirteen again, I would probably LOVE it.

Also, Heart of Hush was an excellent traditional Batman story.

I haven't liked Batman this much since Moench and Jones were on the book.

I read RIP in the store and thought it sucked, mainly from the art, but also from the incoherence of it (and yes, I've been following what's happening in the story for a little while now, and was considering gettting the trades, but not anymore).

Heart of Hush was great, because it lacked all pretentiousness, made good use of a lame-ass villain, and had several "hell yeah!" moments for Bat-fans of all stripes and colours.

Karl, that’s an amazing piece of sarcasm you wrote there. Well done, sir.

Yes, but is he making fun of the people criticizing the book for not appreciating its brilliance or is he making fun of people blowing the mild cleverness of a simple foreshadowing out of proportion into full-blown brilliance?

Seriously, i couldn't tell.

Karl,

Dude, I wasn't taking a shot at you...that's why I separated my two comments with the =====. I thought your comment was spot on

How may of the people who are constantly bashing anything and everything DC are employed by Marvel to do so?

There are so many people who have declared "DC/Morrison/DiDio is the worst, so I stopped reading their books" that there can't possibly be any left. Yet there are. The only conclusion I can see is that a few dozen people must be using sock puppets so it looks like there is a large contingent of ex DC readers. Some people are obviously spending more time bashing DC than they spend reading comic books of any type.

alan - oh sorry man, my bad, haha.... i couldnt tell if the second comment was directed at me!! but yeah... i always kinda shrug when people think a writer planting clues IN HIS OWN WORK is some how brilliant, like that should be what is EXPECTED.... now if morrison tied in the story so that maybe an out of place comment from a story written by someone else all of a sudden makes sense, that would be a different story, no pun intended

now if morrison tied in the story so that maybe an out of place comment from a story written by someone else all of a sudden makes sense

Besides the awesome foreshadowing, Morrison also did that, too, with "Zorro in Arkham"!

that is neat, but i was thinking more along the lines of if someone else had written both those parts, then morrison uses a different story featuring the actual zorro or something like this to tie it all together or something in a way that makes you think all these other stories were connected (like what johns did with GL; rebirth), just defining a nonsense word isnt that hard..... and i am a big morrison fan for the record

Either you’re being totally satirical, Brian, or it’s waaaaaaaaaay past time for you & Grant Morrison to get a room. These continuing mash-notes are becoming embarassing.
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So wait, the fact that Brian is finding the story fascinating is embarassing?

Really, man, I could take potshots at stuff you like, but you know, I'm not 5 years old anymore....

>>So wait, the fact that Brian is finding the story fascinating is embarassing?

Nah -- more like what's starting to come off *to me* as a series of panting "OMG Grant Morrison is such a genius that even I didn't realize what a genius he is!!!!1111!!! Didja see the way his eyes twinkle when he types!!!1111!!!!! OMG so HAWT!!!1111!!!" -type posts. Probably I'm just being extra-irascible.

(I will note that this weekend I read a Morrison book that I rather liked -- KILL YOUR BOYFRIEND. Probably it helped imnensely that the characters were (a) his own & (b) not superheroes, which means he didn't have a chance to trot out the sort of continuity porn that's going to make fanboys of a certain stripe all hot & bothered. Also, the reference in the back matter to "The Double Deckers" warmed my cold, cold heart.)

WHY does CBR keep insisting that Dr. Hurt was 'the Devil' and that they predicted it???? We DON'T KNOW who Hurt was, ultimately, but there's absolutely NO indication that he's the devil. Whoever he was, he was NOT 'the devil'. He was a man, maybe Thomas Wayne, maybe Bruce's retard brother, maybe even that Mangrove Pierce guy... but NOT 'the devil.' Yeesh.

So wait, the fact that Brian is finding the story fascinating is embarassing?

Really, man, I could take potshots at stuff you like, but you know, I’m not 5 years old anymore….

I appreciate it, Jim, but it's really not worth it.

Potshots are what they are. No need to give them any more notice.

Alan Coil:

"How may of the people who are constantly bashing anything and everything DC are employed by Marvel to do so?"

Well, I'm certainly not, and I've got a long and noble record of bashing Marvel to prove it. Seriously, if that's your only defense, "You're only saying that because you're secretly working for Marvel," you might as well have just made a post that said, "Good point, John! I concede everything you said!"

There are so many people who have declared “DC/Morrison/DiDio is the worst, so I stopped reading their books” that there can’t possibly be any left. Yet there are.

That's only really a problem if those ten guys you saw on the message board say that were, or represented, the entire readership.
But actually, they're just ten guys, and so they probably did drop the book, it's just the rest didn't.

John Seavey---

I never mentioned anybody by name.

I reread the whole GM run this weekend (except the resurrection of ras stuff) and noticed tons I missed the first time with all the delays and hype. Really great story.

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