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Yes, because Dr. Doom is cooler than Emma Frost of Magic and Technology.

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Yeah, it does, it just uses < del>< del>, with the / of course.

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If Dr. Doom did not have time to prepare for it, he would not be able to withstand a telepathic assault from Emma Frost!

If Dr. Doom did not have time to prepare for it, he would not be able to withstand a telepathic assault from Emma Frost!

Prepare how?

If Doom was able to withstand telepathic assaults, wouldn't that be something he'd constantly guard against? How can you tell when a telepath is going to attack you?

Telepaths send flowers to you before they attack. I thought everyone knew that.

Depends on how updated his armor is.

Sometimes. But other times, he's not.

I would be amazed if someone like Doom wasn't constantly guarded against a telepathic attack. Even though he's not a villain that usually goes up against telepaths, like Magneto, it still would seem like a pretty big weakness if he didn't protect himself from that type of attack.

In all the comics I've read, Dr. Doom was never really Dr. Doom and always a Doombot. So yeah, given that most of the time he appears, he has no brain, I'd say he's pretty well guarded against telepathic assault.

If Doom was able to withstand telepathic assaults, wouldn’t that be something he’d constantly guard against? How can you tell when a telepath is going to attack you?

Because they either scrunch up their face, or touch their forehead with their hand!
You see them doing that, you can pretty much assume something's about to go down.

Also, they all shoot purple and pink beams.

Sometimes. But other times, he’s not.

For godsake Dan, stop treating this like it's fiction, depending on whose writing the story and who the story they want to tell.
Try and take your comics a little more seriously!

According to Dark Reign #1, yes.

@FGJerusalem: Also, nosebleeds. But yeah, the DoomBot factor would definitely be an advantage, Emma might need an amplifier like Cerebro to find him.

According to Wikipedia: "Doom also possesses a limited amount of magic ability. This ability is due to knowledge of the mystic arts learned during his time with Tibetan monks and from his mother. His magical talents are limited by his lack of humility and refusal to admit that he is not a master of all arts. The alien Ovoids teach Doom the process of psionically transferring his consciousness into another nearby being, which Doom uses on several occasions..."

I would venture that he might have some decent psychic defenses.

Doom probably is protected against any worldwide threat, telepathy included. No doubt he backs up his memories every night before bed.

I would imagine the armor has some kind of anti-telepath failsafe. If he were stark naked, though, I doubt it. Not that it wouldn't be a fight, but this kind of thing is practically Emma's hobby.

Mostly what Dan said. If he knows he's going up against a telepath, he's probably prepared. If she pops out of a birthday cake, she might have an edge.

Reaching with an analogy a bit here, but owning a bullet proof vest doesn't make you bulletproof all the time.

Oh yeah, and he's not Batman, you know.

No. I saw it and he couldn't. He cried. Then he peed. I laughed a lot.

Doom is really no match for Emma Frost and he'd totally crumble against S.A.G.E. Sage would not only be able to mind-rape him, she could also use her cyber telepathy to disable his armor.

I'd imagine he has some kind of blocking tech in his mask, like Magneto. Doom would really not like someone messing in his head.

FGJ: "Because they either scrunch up their face, or touch their forehead with their hand!
You see them doing that, you can pretty much assume something’s about to go down.

Also, they all shoot purple and pink beams."

That is one of the funniest comments I have ever read!

Of course Doom can defend himself from Emma Frost. Doom is the most magnificent bastard in the whole Marvel universe. He can't be defeated just because someone thinks really hard . That would be silly.

Reed Richards has never once in 46 years called Professor X and asked him to neutralise Doom; because he has taken on the power of the Silver Surfer/ trapped his son in Hell/catapulted the Baxter Building into deep space/etc, etc, etc. Seeing as Reed is the cleverest man alive, I think he would have made the call, if he thought it would have made the slightest difference.

"If she pops out of a birthday cake, she might have an edge."

I would not be able to withstand Emma Frost popping out of a birthday cake!

Reed Richards has never once in 46 years called Professor X and asked him to neutralise Doom; because he has taken on the power of the Silver Surfer/ trapped his son in Hell/catapulted the Baxter Building into deep space/etc, etc, etc. Seeing as Reed is the cleverest man alive, I think he would have made the call, if he thought it would have made the slightest difference.

Or it would have just shortened the story by every page but one.

Strangely enough, this very thing is being discussed in Rumbles at this time....

I think it depends on who is writing the story, how much either Doom or Emma is his/her favorite character ever, and what editorial says.
So, yeah/maybe/no...

Or it would have just shortened the story by every page but one.

Bendis or Vaughn could still have gotten six issues out of that - it's pretty vital to know how Reed got in contact with Professor X, what they talked about, how they got over to meet each other, what they chatted about on the way over there etc etc.

"Can Doctor Doom withstand a telepathic assault from Emma Frost?"

Of course. Unless he was gloating - in which case he might let his guard down just enough for her to suprise him. SUPRISE! Like that.

"Strangely enough, this very thing is being discussed in Rumbles at this time."

Where do you think Brian got the idea?

If ANYONE can, it's Doom.

Now, kneel. All of you.

"Where do you think Brian got the idea?"

Sort of figured.

If magneto can then doom can, no way is he letting that guy one up him

Doom probably could withstand a telepathic assault.

On the other hand, if she just flashed him and said, "You know, I bet me making the earth move for you is more fun than conquering it," he'd probably cave.

Fools! Why is there any more need for him to withstand a telepathic attack than there is for him to breathe water so he can survive being drowned? He has Doombots that scan as him when he isn't around, and will kick your ass when he is, and you ambush him.

I do recall on one of the occasions Doom successfully conquered the world, he demonstrated being immune to the Purple Man's power just by sheer force of will. There's also variable levels of anti-telepath technology, but I recollect Emma managing to penetrate one by piggybacking on radio waves (!).

So it could go either way, but I'm giving it to Dr. Doom. He just has more street cred.

If she pops out of a birthday cake, she might have an edge.

Emma Frosting?

Doom's mind is mightier than all other minds! Telepathic assaults cannot defeat the might mind of Doom! Doom is the best Doom there is and much better than all other Dooms! DOOM!

Definitely.

Doom once captured the Purple Man and boosted his abilities to such a degree that the PM had control of the entire planet. Doom then lowered his armour's defences against telepathy/mind control, thus relying on nothing but his own willpower ... and he didn't even blink against the Purple Man's powers, resisting them without effort.

It should be noted that Purple Man's powers are based on PHEROMONES (read: his smell trances people ) not true telepathy. Still, Doom resisting it is awesome. Seriously, guys: Doom vs Emma? MAYBE when she stops pitying herself...

But joshschr, Doom DOES wear his bullet proof vest all the time.

YES because he's also wearing a yarmulke given to him by the Juggernaut. D U H

No way, cuz he gets stronger when he gets madder, so he probably wouldn't even feel the hammer when it hit him.

isn't a tinfoil hat an integral part of his armour?

If she pops out of a birthday cake, she might have an edge.

Emma Frosting?

I dunno, do I get to lick off the icing?

what, why cant doc doom have a telepath resistant helmet, ala magneto?

Prepare how?

If Doom was able to withstand telepathic assaults, wouldn’t that be something he’d constantly guard against? How can you tell when a telepath is going to attack you?

Soldiers in a war zone do not wear their body armor 24 hours a day. Similarly can Dr. Doom have his psychic defense working 24 hours a day? And being a telepath Emma would know when those defenses go down or are turned off.

Yeah, it does, it just uses , with the / of course.

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What Sterg said, coz if I was writing...no.

Is there a page somewhere showing the tags that these pages understand?

Probably somewhere on wordpress. I dunno.

In any event, in comments, the html code we use is:

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Don't remember Doom having a problem with Xavier in X-Men vs. Fantastic Four... I think he does have a similar helmet to Mags...

We've seen that Doom has telepathic protection in the past so the answer is an unqualified yes.

Besides the fact that it's unlikely that Doom will turn up anyplace that he doesn't have absolute control over and so send a Doombot in his place he has had protections built into his armor in the past. And on top of that he's a sorcerer; in terms of defending against mental assault by just staring people down that's second only to an actual telepath.

Now I would not be surprised if Doom's defenses were such that they not only protected his mind but made the telepath think they got him.

People apparently really think highly of Dr. Doom. Weird.

Dreadstar is a different continuity, but even a lobotomized cyber-watchdog for the Instrumentality is issued shielding against psychic attack. I don't know what the hardship is in assuming Doom defends himself in the same manner, and that he keeps more formidable defenses and attacks handy when they otherwise aren't required.

The big deal with Magneto's shielding could be that the kind of shielding Doom uses would disable what qualifies as psychic powers for Magneto. It isn't like Magneto issues a kind of programmed-steam that manipulates metal from his body, that hiding his mind wouldn't cripple his powers. Metal obeys his will, and psychic attacks are attacks to disable the will, so shielding that blunts psychic-attack but continues to allow him to manipulate metal can't be assumed to be in use without some kind of mention.

"People apparently really think highly of Dr. Doom. Weird."

Given what the character has accomplished, the stuff he has managed to pull off, respecting his capabilities is hardly odd.

Doom might be the bad guy, but there is something admirable about him: his singleminded determination, the grandiose monologs, the contrast of a regal bearing and homicidal rage. Remember when readers were upset that he called Ms. Marvel a cow? That seemed beneath him, and so does this: does Doom still use the robot dupes? Feels like we haven't seen those for a bit.

Still, they might be selling Emma a bit short here: I could see her telepathic assault failing, so she has to resort to shanking him or something...

"Given what the character has accomplished, the stuff he has managed to pull off, respecting his capabilities is hardly odd."

Yeah, he's in charge of the world, right?

No, he's not? He's been beaten every time?

Eh. Another dumb fascist.

The thing to keep in mind about Doom as a character is that he isn't threatened by reservoirs of power, because the core of his character is not in warehousing power, but in establishing the kind of boobytraps that render power not-at-his-discretion irrelevant. He will burn Sue Richards by kidnapping her, and honestly telling her she can rip through his ship and crack him open like a peanut -- but according to the monitor he's provided her, Tyros is about to bury Johnny and Ben, so she better make a choice she can live with. Doom isn't reviewing the strongest ones out there and saying to himself that he can't take second place, that he has to be first in everything. His plans are to render those reservoirs of power are meanless.

When Byrne writes Doom to say things like "contingency plan [this]" or "contingency plan [that]," "contingency plan" is just a fancy way of saying "boobytrap." Yes, one night his Doombots could be disabled for maintenance repairs, and he could be the only Doom walking along his castle, and Nightcrawler could teleport Emma in diamond form within reach of Doom, and she could crack open his armor and psychically crap in laundry basket of his soul. But that's just one boobytrap taken to the door of the career-boobytrap-maker who fights Hell for the soul of his mother on the same night of every year. The more coulds Emma's attack depends on only increase the likelihood of failure.

i believe the answer is; "who cares"

I'll elaborate just in case anyone thinks that is snark.
“who cares.. its just a comic! enjoy it!"

"Yeah, he’s in charge of the world, right?

No, he’s not? He’s been beaten every time?

Eh. Another dumb fascist."

Which ignores the character's capabilities, and the fact that, yes, Doom did actually take over the world, ran it fairly well for a dictator, got bored, and gave it back.

But heck, everyone is welcome to their opinion.

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edc: Why are you here?

Can Doom withstand Emma Frost's telepathic assault?

If withstanding the assault furthers the plot or drags the storyline out for another issue - yes . Otherwise, no.

Yes, Doom can. There are enough telepaths out there he's built an anti-mindreading helmet.

Too bad there's no such thing as squirrel-resistant armor, though.

edc: Why are you here?

It is vitally important that we all know edc is so much cooler than everyone else who has posted in response to the question, that's why!

Oh, do NOT pile on EDC. That was hardly obnoxious at all. Especially with the added "enjoy it!" Jesus, folks. If we can't poke fun of ourselves for this inane argument then what hope have we?

The answer is none.

Someone mentioned the Purple Man. I do not want to hear about the Purple Man. The Purple Man did not take over the world. It was an alternate reality story. Probably a Doom wank fantasy. Jessica Jones defeated the Purple Man. He is ridiculous.

Joe: pile on him.

He comes in to essentialy a ho'od win thread in Comics should be good, to say "they're just comics, who cares!"

I'd think here more than anywhere is a celebration of pure geek joy of comics, of which, ho'od win is an important and traditional part.

I think it would be a closer debate if we asked whether Emma Frost could withstand a telepathic assault from Dr. Doom. Starting a question with "Can Dr. Doom" is like starting a question with "Can Batman."

Yes, he can.

"Still, they might be selling Emma a bit short here: I could see her telepathic assault failing, so she has to resort to shanking him or something…"

I wouldn't sell Emma short. She might not be familiar enough with Doom to try a telepathic assault first, but then when Doom is standing there gloating at how feeble all telepaths are she turns to diamond and punches him through a wall.

That wouldn't work either but it would be appropriate.

I wouldn’t sell Emma short. She might not be familiar enough with Doom to try a telepathic assault first, but then when Doom is standing there gloating at how feeble all telepaths are she turns to diamond and punches him through a wall.

That wouldn’t work either but it would be appropriate.

There's always the chance she could discover the hidden weakness to Doom's armor, only previously discovered by Luke Cage in his quest for two hundred dollars. That weakness, of course, being "punch him until he falls down."

People apparently really think highly of Dr. Doom. Weird.

The fact people think about him when not reading about him weirds me out.

On the other hand, I've never enjoyed him as a villain.

Doom can resist Emma, and not just because he is "DOOM!" but also because he stole all of Cyclops's ability to resist attractive female telepaths.

Theno

But Cyclops is completely unable to resist attractive female telepaths

Ah - Now I get it. Cyclops is completely unable to resist attractive female telepaths because Doom stole the ability

Emma's not foolproof.

She's the second most powerful telepath on the planet after Professor X, but only because Jean Grey's dead.

If Magneto's helmet can protect him from Xavier, then it's not too much of a stretch to think that Doom can whip up something to protect himself from telepathy.

And yes, Magneto can resist telepathy beacause of his helmet, that's a strongly established comic book fact, it's the only reason he can resist telepaths, another comic bok fact, it doesn't affect his powers as they are a genetic ability to manipulate magnetic forces, he doesn't just "control metal by will", and he can't use his powers to protect himself.

Although, she probably would just turn to diamond and deck him though, while bitching that Doom's ruining her manicure probably.

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Joe: pile on him.

He comes in to essentialy a ho’od win thread in Comics should be good, to say “they’re just comics, who cares!”

I’d think here more than anywhere is a celebration of pure geek joy of comics, of which, ho’od win is an important and traditional part."

Ahh, horseshit. He didn't say that. He said, "they're comics, enjoy them!" That's a huge difference from your parsing. And "who would win" arguments have nothing to do with any intrinsic comic experience I've ever had. I don't begrudge them but don't act like they're some fundamental structure of comics.

Wow, this really is becoming an inane argument.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and has the right to voice that opinion, whether or not you agree with it, edc has as much right to come here and say who cares as we do of actually answering the question as if these people were real.

Joe. Scavenger is now actively trying to wind you up. And you're rising to the bait.

Scavenger. Not everyone's experience of comic book fandom is the same as yours. Geeks are not a nation and we don't need a spokesman. I love a who'd win argument as much as the next guy (and by the way, it is spelt who'd) but I don't feel that it is in any way important to my enjoyment of comics.

Now can everyone get along and play nice, or do I have to send you to opposite corners of the room?

I think Doom would have anti-telepathy technology installed in his helmet after he met the Ancient One. "People who can read minds? No one may know the mind of DOOM!"

...another comic bok fact, [psychic shielding] doesn’t affect his powers as they are a genetic ability to manipulate magnetic forces, he doesn’t just “control metal by will”, and he can’t use his powers to protect himself.

If you stay out of the rain, the speech you are genetically entitled to doesn't change the comic-book-fact that staying indoors is going to obstruct how you are heard from outside.

Your argument is counterintuitive to sense, comic book, spider, or otherwise. Magneto doesn't sprout nerve endings that attach to metal to realign the magnetic poles of its individual atoms to command it to do things. What is the challenge in in accepting his power is founded on a psychic component?

Actually, it's been stated that Rachel Grey/Summers is more powerful than Emma, just not as experienced. She's technically not on Earth at the moment.

Can Dr. Doom resist Magneto's mutant powers too?

Only if his armor is non-metallic.

Or made out of recycled aluminium cans.

It doesn't have to be non-metallic.

Just non-magnetic...

No such thing Blackjak, everything has a magnetic field to some extent.

Okay, then non-ferromagnetic if you want to be pedantic...
LIke the aluminium that you mentioned.
It is metallic, just not ferromagnetic...

Now if you're talking electromagnetic fields... you're into a completely different ballpark...

I don't think I've read anything explaining Magneto's powers in such a way as to cover everything he's done with it... Although, once he was described as being able to lift people due to the "iron in their blood" I finally thought "F$%$ it!" and just put it down to artistic licence...

Let's face it Comicbook Physics and real-world physics aren't the same thing.

So, if it would be cool to have Magneto shred Doom's armour (and theoretically Doom himself...) it could happen.

Alternatively, if it would be cooler for Doom's armour to be made from some kind of "inert" molecules (the opposite to the miraculous "unstable moleculesof the FF's costumes?) so that he could stand there, legs akimbo, arms crossed in the midst of a "magnetic storm", then that could just as feasibly happen...

Can Dr. Doom resist Magneto’s mutant powers too?

Has Magneto demonstrated his powers extends beyond his defensive shields? In a "gunfight," if Magneto can't immediately disable Doom, and his shields limit the reach of his power, then an attack that forced Magneto to erect a shield would effectively allow Doom to resist Magneto's power. You see something like that in Star Trek where a ship will be unable to transport or launch torpedoes because they refuse to drop their shields.

Can Dr. Doom blow Superman?