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Comic Book Legends Revealed #186

This is the one-hundred and eighty-sixth in a series of examinations of comic book legends and whether they are true or false. Click here for an archive of the previous one-hundred and eighty-five.

Let’s begin!

COMIC LEGEND: Jughead got his name from his hat!

STATUS: Most Likely True

In the recent piece I did about the many loves of Jughead Jones, there was a question in the comments (from reader Dean) about Jughead’s famous beanie – the story behind the beanie is pretty interesting, and actually appears to be the origin for Jughead’s very name!!

(As a quick aside, while I was doing this piece, a commenter by the name of Shadz posted a comment to that original piece that repeats a lot of the same info – while I didn’t take it from him, I figure it’s only fair to note his comment, as well!)

One of the (many, many) ways society has changed since the first half of the 20th Century is the way people wear hats. Nowadays, the only hats you see most people wear are baseball caps or winter hats meant to protect the user from the cold.

A few decades ago, however, hats were worn by almost every adult in the United States. Fedoras were particularly popular among men. As you might imagine, if everyone was wearing hats all the time, you’d eventually end up getting new hats, just like you’d get new shoes.

Well, the question was – what happened to the old hats? Sure, a lot of the times they would just end up in the trash, another thing that often happened was that fathers would give their old hats to their children.

The children would then turn the hat inside out and cut the brim of the hat off in a jagged pattern. The resulting hat would look like a sort of crown, as the jagged edges of the cut-off brim would flip up like the tips of a crown. The hat would then be covered with whatever random buttons or stickers the kid could get his hands on.

The hat appeared in films of the 1930s and 40s…

Here it is worn by one of the Dead End Kids in the classic 1938 Cagney film, Angels with Dirty Faces (I had the film nameless at first because I had thought that the Kids did more than one film with Cagney, but it seems as though Angels was their only film with Cagney, so this has to be it). The film was a huge hit, so that would certainly explain the hats becoming even more popular!

Soon, these “button beanies” would be sold ready made, including as giveaways in Kellogg’s cereal!

In addition, the hats were often worn by mechanics (not decorated with buttons and stickers, of course), as the hat would keep grease off their hair but it didn’t have a long brim to mess with their field of vision. The character of Goober Pyle (an auto mechanic) wore won on the Andy Griffith show…

And that is the hat Jughead wears when he first showed up in Pep Comics in 1941.

Of course, as the fashion faded into obscurity, Jughead’s hat stopped looking like a button beanie and began to have extended spikes that would look a lot more like an actual crown.

Then again, that ship sort of sailed right away.

After all, if you give artists the choice to do artistic shorthand, they’re gonna take it, so rather than a detailed beanie, the hat quickly became a quick jagged crown.

In any event, know what the slang term was for people who wore these jagged beanies?

“Jaghead.”

Now, I’ve never seen Bob Montana speak on the topic of how he came up with the name Jughead, but I think it’s a fairly safe leap of logic that this is where it came from.

Fernando Ruiz did a story in a recent Jughead & Friends Digest about the origin of the hat, as well!

Thanks to Kingpin.com (a site that sells the beanies) for the historical information! Thanks to Dean for asking the question. And again, let’s have a shout out for shadz! His comment was quite good – if I had read it first, it would have saved me research time! :)

COMIC LEGEND: John Byrne drew the cover for Joe Satriani’s Surfing with the Alien album.

STATUS: False in the way that we would typically look at the question

Nowadays, it seems having a comic book artist draw the cover of your album is fairly popular – Todd McFarlane notably did a Korn album cover…

And you have to love Ethan Van Sciver doing the cover for Winger’s latest album.

(EDITED TO ADD: There was enough interest in the topic that I am putting together a little guide to music albums drawn by notable comic book artists. After a few hours, I’ve added over 120 albums and barely cracked 12 artists, so this will take awhile. In the meantime, please do not use the comments section to name other comic book artists who did music album covers – instead, please wait until the guide is posted and THEN point out the artists who you see missing – that way it will be a lot more helpful! Thanks!)

In any event, an extremely popular album cover by a comic book artist was instrumental rock solo artist Joe Satriani’s second album, Surfing With the Alien, which came out in 1987.

Reader Steve recently asked if John Byrne did the cover for the album, and if he did, what was the story behind it?

Well, the answer is a bit of a tricky one.

First off, yes, that’s John Byrne’s artwork of the Silver Surfer.

So in that sense, yes, he did draw the album cover.

However (there’s often a however, isn’t there?), what happened was that Satriani (or whoever comes up with the album cover – Jim Kozlowski is credited in the album for the cover art concept, but who knows?) did not have the album drawn BY Byrne. They just snipped a piece of Byrne art from a comic book, the 1982 Silver Surfer one-shot by Stan Lee and Byrne.

They did not ask for Byrne’s permission and Byrne was never paid for it. I don’t believe he was even credited. Reader Jared helpfully linked to an interview with Satriani where he said they paid Marvel $5,000 for the rights to the image. Apparently, a DJ going by the name “The Silver Surfer” recommended that Satriani use a picture of the Surfer when Satriani mentioned the name of the album.

So if the artist was not asked and not compensated, I don’t think most of us would really view it as “doing the artwork for the cover,” right?

So that’s why it is “False.”

Thanks to Steve for the question and thanks to John Byrne for the information (it’s incredible how open Byrne is with information about his career – it’s a great boon for comic historians). Additional thanks to Jared for the extra info!

And hey, if anyone has the back cover of the Surfing With the Alien album, I’d love to see it! The front cover is quite famous, but you never seem to ever see the back cover, which apparently has Galactus’ hand on it. I’d like to see that!

EDITED TO ADD: Darn, you folks are quick! Reader Adam sent me this pic pronto!

Thanks, Adam!

For fun, let’s combine the two! Click on the image to enlarge!

EDITED AGAIN TO ADD: Reader Samuel also sent me the covers, just a little bit after Adam. Damn, you people are efficient! Thanks a bunch!

COMIC LEGEND: Marvel had pseudonymous inkers in the Crusty Bunker tradition called D. Hands and M. Hands.

STATUS: True

Awhile back, I did an installment of Comic Book Legends Revealed on the “Crusty Bunkers,” the group of inkers at Marvel who would get together to ink a book that needed to be done quickly. Nowadays, the multitude of inkers are typically all individually credited, but I imagine at the time it was preferred to downplay the need to have so many inkers work on a book to get it out.

Well, recently, reader Andrew asked if I could do a similar piece on the “inkers” M. Hands and D. Hands, which stood for “Many Hands” and “Diverse Hands,” respectively.

The problem with coming up with names behind the pseudonym is the fact that Marvel editors just used it whenever they needed multiple inkers in late 70s/early 80s comics. So it would differ dramatically by each title.

To wit, in Amazing Spider-Man #195…

M. Hands was Jim Mooney, Mike Esposito, and Al Milgrom.

But in Dr. Strange #45…

D. Hands was Frank Giacoia, Dan Green, Allen Milgrom, Tom Palmer, Wendy Pini, Joe Rubinstein, Walter Simonson, Bob Wiacek.

In Avengers #173…

D. Hands was Pablo Marcos, John Tartaglione, Joe Rubinstein, Klaus Janson and Joe Staton.

But in Avengers #184…

D. Hands was Joe Rubinstein, Terry Austin, Al Gordon and Klaus Janson.

In Captain America #257…

M. Hands was Joe Rubinstein, Frank Springer, Frank Giacoia, Mike Esposito, Bob Sharen and Ed Hannigan

While in Savage She-Hulk #25…

D. Hands was Al Milgrom, Sal Trapani, Mike Vosburg, Rick Magyar, Mike Gustovich, Dave Simons, Steve Mitchell, Bob Wiacek, Joe Rubinstein and Jack Abel.

So really, it was whoever was available (Milgrom and Rubinstein appeared to be often available!) to do the work.

Thanks for the question, Andrew!

If anyone else knows of another artist credited as either M. Hands or D. Hands, let me know! Note that one or two of the Hands inkers might be off – in some of the instances, I’m just going off the strong research work of Steven Tice, and Steven himself is questionable about a few (just a few!).

Okay, that’s it for this week!

Feel free (heck, I implore you!) to write in with your suggestions for future installments! My e-mail address is cronb01@aol.com.

See you next week! Since it will be Christmas the next time the Legends go up, Merry Christmas!!

95 Comments

The film looks like Angels with Dirty Faces, with Jimmy Cagney and Pat O’Brien.

Yeah, Mike, that’s what I was thinking, too, but I was wondering if I just like that film so much that I would presume any film with Cagney and the Dead End Kids would be that one! :)

EDITED TO ADD: See, that was my problem – I thought Cagney did more than one film with the Dead End Kids. He did not. So yep, Angels with Dirty Faces it is!

I had never thought about comic artists drawing album covers. Do you think you, or someone else, could put together a list of some of the more notable album covers?

Neat article on Jughead. But I also wonder what the S on his sweater stood for. I’m sure die-hard Archie fans know, but it’s not really well-known, at least not in my searches….

Bill Sienkiwicz (sp?) does the cover for DIO’s Very Beast of CD. It’s a great picture!

BTW, Marvel had a few pseudonyms for the inkers. I remember reading an issue from the 70s where the inker was TEAM something, and I could never find out who they were. I guess they came from the same steno pool at M and D Hands!

Cheers,

B

I believe that the S is an intentional mystery, Adam, like Vera’s face on Cheers.

But I also wouldn’t be surprised if the folks at Archie eventually come up with an explanation for it!

I had never thought about comic artists drawing album covers. Do you think you, or someone else, could put together a list of some of the more notable album covers?

Ha!

I mean, I guess I COULD.

You don’t like to make things easy for me, do ya? :)

There actually is an album cover artist named John Byrne whose best known image is probably Gerry Rafferty’s 1977 release “City to City,” the album that gave us the mega-hit “Baker Street.” I remember being half-convinced at the time that this was THE Byrne but finally noticed the album artist had a different middle name. Besides, would “our” John Byrne stay silent about providing the art for a platinum-selling record? I think not!

Simon Bisley has painted at least one Danzig album cover.
Alex Ross did a cover for Anthrax. I remember the ad in various comics from the time.
Dan Brereton painted the cover to Rob Zombie’s 1st solo album, and Gene Colan did some interior illustrations. It came out when I was doing college radio, and it was a nice surprise (even if the music didn’t do anything for me).
Robert Crumb drew the famous cover to Big Brother & the Holding Company’s “Cheap Thrills.”

It definitely looks like Leo Gorcey (one of the Dead End Kids/East Side Kids/Bowery Boys) with Jimmy Cagney, so Angels With Dirty Faces sounds right.

Dan DeCarlo drew a terrific album cover for the band Cub (depicting the all-female band as Josie-esque rockers, onstage). A couple of years ago, there was a very long thread on the Comics Journal message board on the topic of cartoonists creating album artwork.

Yes.
Alex Ross did the artwork for Anthrax’s Live CD Method of Mass Destruction (2003). It’s very good.

the music is great too.

I don’t know about the CD booklet but I have the front and back CD art.

It’s cute that the comic touting the “end’ of She-Hulk has her turned to display her butt at us.

Totally unintentional, I’m sure, and today her dress would manage to be skintight back there, but it’s still an amusing juxtaposition…

Sienkiewicz also did the cover to the album “Bobby Digital” by the Rza from the Wu Tang Clan.

Does anyone else find it ironic that Satriani’s album cover was ‘lifted’ without credit given his current lawsuit against Coldplay?

And probably the most famous comic book artist album cover I can think of is Richard Corben’s cover for Meat Loaf’s “Bat Out Of Hell.”

And along with the Bisley covers, Danzig has also utilized Mike Kaluta for a cover as well. I also remember Kaluta’s artwork on a Black Sabbath tribute CD too…

Dave Gibbons did the artwork for the Kula Shaker album “K”

Alex Ross also did the cover artwork for Anthrax’s “We’ve Come for you All”. Greg Capullo did several album covers for a band called Iced Earth, Including “Something Wicked This Way Comes” and “The Dark Saga”, which not only is drawn by Capullo but has Spawn on the cover:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Saga

The Dark Saga is a concept album based on Spawn.

… Vincent Locke has done all the Cannibal Corpse album covers …

Now I sort of wonder what Pep cereal tasted like.

And is that Lee/Byrne Silver Surfer any good?

Kaare Andrews designed the cover for Tegan and Sara’s 2002 album “If It Was You” and maybe more.
Interesting in that there is no comic book-type artwork involved.

I also always wondered about comic book artists involvement in film posters, though I am sure there is quite a lot of information about that out there somewhere and I am just too lazy to look for it.

A request – Could y’all hold off on album suggestions for now?

I’m putting together a guide now, and I’ll post it later today, so it is more helpful if you see the albums I already have and THEN suggest new ones.

Thanks!

I actually had a “Jughead” hat, a felt beanie decorated with charms from Crackerjack boxes and such. My grandmother made it for me; I wasn’t a fan of Archie in particular but she knew I liked comic books, and I suppose she must have liked the characters. This was in the late ’50s, so it isn’t as if real-live teenagers (which is what Archie & Jughead were) or real-live little kids (which is what I was) actually wore these things, but likely she remembered them from decades earler. I wore it a few times just because I thought it was cool that she’d made it. In addition to not knowing what became of it, I also don’t know what became of the #1 issue of “The Double Life of Private Strong” which she gave me around that time.

Damn I was gonna mention Crumb and Brereton…
Anyway McFarlane did the cover for metal band Disturbed’s 10,000 Fists album as well as animating the video. He also did parts of some Korn videos.
Disturbed’s latest album cover is by David Finch.

Oops sorry I didn’t hit refresh soon enough.

Yoshiyuki Sadamoto (character designer of “Neon Genesis Evangelion” and “The Girl who lept through Time” and artist of the main NGE manga) designed the cover for Eric Claptons “Pilgrim album”:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrim_(Eric_Clapton_album)

Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely designed the cover for Robbie William’s album “Intensive Care”:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensive_Care_(album)

Former comic artist and famous painter Luis Royo provided a cover for Chinchilla’s album “The Last Millennium” (and was not credited).

Danny Miki (mainly known as Quesada’s inker) illustrated the cover and booklet of Iced Earth’s album “Horror Show”:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horror_Show_(album)

Other artists that provided art for Iced Earth albums are Todd McFarlane (their album “The Dark Saga” is a concept album based on “Spawn”), Jim Balent (Chaos! Comics’ “Purgatory”), Greg Capullo

Another comic connected album cover I can think of off the top of my head, James Jean did the cover artwork for My Chemical Romance’s The Black Parade.

“Marvel was not asked for the image and Byrne was never paid for it.”

Does this imply that Marvel eventually consented to the image’s use? The album is still produced with that cover, I would think that they would pursue such an egregious swipe. $$$$

Regarding the Satriani album, here is a link to a podcast that I did in 2007 with Joe Satriani to celebrate the re-release of that particular album (I was working for his label at the time), and he discusses how they arrived at both the album name and that image (download size is 12MB). Evidently, there was a radio DJ who used “The Silver Surfer” as his pseudonym, and he suggested that Satriani use the image on his album when he saw the title. The most incredible part? Marvel only charged them $5,000 for the rights to use the image.

http://www.previewnewmusic.com/podcast/transworld/fyedotcompodcast_13Aug07.mp3

(discussion of the art starts at around the 7:40 mark, and the album title discussion starts around 6:40)

Since we are talking about John Byrne and inker teams, sometimes when he needed a quick inking job, he and a bunch of his friends (I recall Duffy Vohland was one, but forgot the others) did it under the name “Byrne Robotics”.

I’m sure there are more details about the whole thing on some of the messages archived on his forum.

Best,
Hunter (Pedro Bouça)

Does this imply that Marvel eventually consented to the image’s use? The album is still produced with that cover, I would think that they would pursue such an egregious swipe. $$$$

Ha!

Just as I was about to point that I accidentally said “Marvel was not asked” when I meant “Byrne was not asked,” Jared posted his very helpful link!

Yeah, Dan, Marvel approved it – it was just that Byrne never was asked for permission. My apologies for the mistaken statement.

And Jared, thanks for that awesome link!

Just checked to see if I had any comics credited to M Hands or D Hands and i find that Secret Wars 2 #6 was coloured by a certain Minny Hands. Is Minny really many? Or does Minny actually exist?

some more comic artist album covers include Jeff Smith of Bone doing Say Anything’s In Defense Of The Genre. Crumb’s work for the Grateful Dead, Bernie Wrightson on Meatloaf, Dave McKean on Counting Crows (and many other albums!) Tomer Hanuka’s cover for Aesop Rock.

“Marvel approved it – it was just that Byrne never was asked for permission.” “Byrne was never paid for it. I don’t believe he was even credited.”

Welp, that’s work-for-hire!

Pink Floyd’s second album, ‘A Saucerful of Secrets’ (1968) had Doctor Strange vs the Living Tribunal on its cover. And I have a copy of ‘Past, Present and Future’ by Al Stewart with Doc Strange on too, though that’s had a few different covers over the years.

Thin Lizzy had an awsome cover for the Album “Jail Break” That had a very Byrne like look to it. I do not know who did it for sure but its obvious a comic guy.

Dave McKean of ‘Arkham Asylum’ fame provided the cover for the Earth Crisis album, SLITHER.

The cover of “Modern Times,” Al Stewart’s follow-up to “Past, Present and Future,” also featured Al dressed in full Dr. Strange regalia.

14 more comic book legends to go …
just 14 more to go !

The person who did Thin Lizzy’s album art for Jailbreak was Jim Fitzpatrick, pretty much ripping off elements of Neal Adams’ art from X-Men 57 (Fitzpatrick later put out some stunning portfolios in the 80s, based on Irish themes).

It’s a little esoteric, but I have an album by the really old comedy duo Homer and Jethro called Zany Songs of the 30s, which has an appropriately zany cover by Jack Davis (he of EC fame), and I have one of those book and story albums based on War of the Worlds which has a cover by Wally Wood (also of EC fame). Not exactly rock n’ roll, but they’re there ^_^.

And of course, you have a cover for one of the Nazareth albums that was done by either Frank Frazetta or Boris Vallejo (forget which; both have done comic work, so it counts), and several of Frazetta’s covers were adapted to Molly Hatchet’s albums…

Not sure about film posters, but I’m pretty sure Dave Stevens did some concept art on THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, and there are some nice concept paintings by Jim Steranko for RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK.

Iron Man #129 has either a D. Hands or M. Hands credit, which included Bob Layton, and two other inkers I can’t remember (I think Milgrom was one). in a follow-up letters column when someone asked about the credit, the editor said they did it to give Layton more time to work on “Demon in A Bottle,” the previous issue.

Camine Infantino is the uncle of Massachusetts musician Jim Infantino, of the band Jim’s Big Ego. He contributed the cover art to the group’s album They’re Everywhere, which features a song about Barry Allen.

From wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmine_Infantino

Dave Mckean also on “this desert life”, Counting Crows

My first domestic issues of Cap were the Red Skull/Nomad trilogy from #261-#263. The story was based in Hollywood, and the inkers were referred to as “Quickdraw Studios.” Sounds like a Bunkers/Hands scenario to me and it’s taken years to figure out who were the artists behind the moniker.

If anyone here can look into it, I’d sure appreciate it.

I seem to remember from a comic when I was a really young kid that Jughead got his nickname from the fact that his ears stuck out like handles that made his head look like a jug. It might have been from the newspaper strip. I am sorry I don’t have attribution other than my memory.

Sorry, I’m late to the party.

The credit for “Diverse Hands” on Avengers #173 was revealed on a letters page several issues later as, “Pablo Marcos, Win Mortimer, Bob McLeod, Joe Rubinstein, Dan Green, Rick Bryant, and Klaus Janson.”

Conan the Barbarian #12 also has a back-up story inked by “Diverse Hands” in this case Gil Kane, Tom Palmer and Bernie Wrightson (as credited in Savage Sword of Conan #2).

Savage Tales #4 (May, 1974) has a tale inked by Neal Adams and DIverse Hands (Pablo Marcos, Vin Colletta and Frank McLaughlin) (also credited in SSoC #2)

Nova #23 (January 1979) was inked by “Many Hands” with at least 2 of those pages inked by the distinctive Tom Palmer.

Defenders #116, Diverse Hands (Kelley Jones, Mike MIgnola)

Also, Fantastic Four #208 (DH), John Carter, Warlord of Mars #27 (MH), Iron Man #129 (MH), Iron Man #159 (DH), Star Wars #82 (MH), TRansformers #9 (MH),Spectacular Spider-Man #111 (MH), & Avengers #325 (DH).

The credits in Iron Man #129 (Dec. 1979) make me chuckle, as, obviously in a nod to DH, the writing credit is Dave Michelinie and “Diverse Minds” (Jim Shooter, Bob Layton and Roger Stern).

I use to know a fat guy named Manny Roles. Harry Paratestes lived around the corner from Len Kaminsky.

Maybe I’m wrong, and maybe someone has already said this, but I’m pretty sure that at this point, Milgrom and Rubenstein weren’t just accomplished embellishers, but were members of the Marvel Bullpen as editors and/or administrators and regularly came in to work at the NYC Marvel offices. Therefore, in an emergency, they’d be natural choices to do the inking since they were right there and wouldn’t need to courier the finished work or anything like that.

The inking on those early Zeck CA issues (261-263) by “Quickdraw Studios” was atrocious. Clearly, the main inker was Vince Coletta, but I don’t know who the others were.

Satch Boogie!

Am I the only one who’s shocked that Winger still makes albums? Wow

Just a question, I seem to remember a comic where the inking credit is MANNY HANDS instead of M. Hands or Many Hands to make it seem like only one inker inked it. Is this true or is my memory screwy?

Yeah, some of the inking on those Cap issues seem to be Vinnie’s stuff, as the backgrounds would simply vanish for no reason!

However, I remember loving the final page of #263 where Cap takes his flight back to NY. Whoever inked Mike Zeck there did a great job. It could be Klaus Janson or someone with a similar “rough” style. My favorite shots are the look Cap gives the guy driving him to the airport and the guy’s reaction, then Cap resting his head on a pillow in the very last panel.

That page alone got me hooked on Zeck’s art, and I continued to get Cap’s book from then on .

The cover of George Thoroughgood’s “Get a Haircut…” was by Peter Bagge.

Bill Sienkiewicz also did the album cover for EPMD’s “Business As Usual”. I remember reading somewhere that Erick & Parish saw either an issue of New Mutants or something (Elektra Assassin?) and called BIll S out of the blue to draw their album cover.

Oh man, their music has always been comically bad blues hammer/southern boogie, but Molly Hatchet are notable for having Frank Frazetta artwork on their albums.

This is creepy. I was just in Best Buy today buying Satriani’s new album, Professor Satachafunkasumthinorother, and contemplated picking up the deluxe version of Surfing with The Alien. Spooky-weird stuff like this happens too often in my life lately…

Anyways, I always assumed Satriani was just a fan of the character, after all he’s got songs on other albums with names such as The Power Cosmic 2000 and Back to Shalla-Bal…

Maybe he converted after the album…

And did anybody mention the Crusty Bunkers that Neal Adams used to lead? I recall them being credited in a lot of early seventies Marvel Comics…

I’ve considered buying that George Thorogood album several times just because of that cover. Thankfully good sense prevailed.

I know it was a rip on “Many Bothans” from RotJ, but I wonder if the character “Manny Both-Hands” was also inspired by this, in the Tag & Bink Star Wars comics from Dark Horse, by the guy who did the TROOPS internet video..

Jaime Hernandez did album covers for many bands and musicians, including Michelle Shocked abd Los Lobos

Jamie Hewlett/Gorrilaz, or does that not count?

I would include Hewlett, although as co-member/creator of the band itself, he’s on a different level here.

Bill Sienkiewicz and Dave McKean both did a lot of commissioned album cover art. McKean did most of Fear Factory’s covers. Jaime Hernandez also did 7 Year Bitch’s El Gato Negro cover.
I’m pretty sure Ben Templesmith and Ashley Wood have done some too.

Whatever happened to Joe Rubinstein? I liked his inking and line work quite a bit.

Same here, always loved his stuff. Joe is still working, he’s inking DC’s Green Arrow/Black Canary series starting with issue #15.

He’s also on Facebook as Josef Rubinstein and does commissions for fans.

I can’t wait for that article on album covers by comic artists. The two things I geek out over more than anything are comics and music. And there are so many better album covers by comic artists than the ones you used for examples there…

Well, the Van Sciver one is not exactly there as an example of a good album cover. ;)

And McFarlane is there only because it was famous AND fairly recent (at least opposed to, say, Cheap Thrills :) )

Just wanted to say that this is easily my favorite ongoing comic related article. I often have conversations about what you “reveal” with some of my other comic book buddies(who also love Legends Revealed). I have a huge amount of respect for all the research and tidbits you pull and put into these things…great job all around Brian.

James Kolchaka, or does that not count?

“it’s incredible how open Byrne is with information about his career – it’s a great boon for comic historians”

Well, true, but you have to be careful. I hung out on his message board for a long time and while he does answer virtually any question you throw at him, the answers don’t always line up with what he told you the last time he answered the question or what he said when it happened. Or, if you check out the interview in the back of the original ending of the Dark Phoenix Saga, he’s not always aware of what the other people creating the story had in mind.

One particular example was his insistence that Next Men weren’t intended as super-heroes. This came shortly after he declared that all super-hero comics were for kids and stuff like the soon-to-be-released ALIAS were violating this rule. When people pointed out Next Men wasn’t for kids, he insisted that it wasn’t a super-hero comic. But if you go back and re-read his old interviews and the letter columns, everyone, including Byrne, refer to it as a super-hero comic, with Byrne even saying that the fan reaction to Watchmen as “realistic” was hie inspiration, wanting to show them what a realistic super-hero team would really be like (although I’m at a loss to understand how most of what’s in Next Men is any more realistic than teleporting a telepathic monster into New York City, which has been a constant source of mockery from Byrne).

Which isn’t really here nor there. The point being that John Byrne is a good source of information, so long as he’s not trying to make some other point that was at odds with what he originally said. Just a note to comic historians everywhere to check your facts.

adam barnett
“Neat article on Jughead. But I also wonder what the S on his sweater stood for. I’m sure die-hard Archie fans know, but it’s not really well-known, at least not in my searches….”

I recall an issue in which an unpopular rich kid’s father was going to make a huge donation to the school, on the condition that they rename the school after him. For the sake of example, we’ll say his name was Wilkins.

“You wear an “S” on your sweater while attending Riverdale High School. What will you wear at Wilkins High School?”
“I don’t know. Probably an “E”.”

It was just one of his eccentricities.

Dave McKean’s list of cd covers is quite long. After Sandman hit, he was much in demand. Including Alice Cooper and Front Line Assembly, you’d be hard pressed to find a comic artist who has done more. (in fact, he may have done as many as the combined)

http://www.davemckean-collector.co.uk/page_833185.html

Does anyone remember an inking team credited as “Android Images”? I seem to remember an interview in either Comics Scene, Comics Journal, or perhaps Wizard where they passed off AI as a single guy.

Theno

Hey guys, I just want to point out that the Disturbed and Korn albums are actually pencilled by Greg Capullo and INKED by Todd Mcfarlane. Mcfarlane gets all the credit, every time, but it’s actually the underappreciated Capullo whose making it shine.

Thenodrin: I believe Android Images was David Hornung’s coloring business. I don’t know if he used that name alone, or as head of a workshop. To my knowledge, Android Images did no inks, only colors.

Thank you so much for the fantastic demystifying of Jug’s beanie–but I must say, what has always baffled me more than the beanie/moniker: what is the derivation of the S on his shirt?!?!

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December 20, 2008 at 12:47 pm

Pseudonymous inkers…I wonder if they could do that with artists too? Might as well. The artist by committee approach is even more used trying to make deadlines for all the event tie-ins.

I’m fairly certain that Charles Fortier is right about Jughead’s name being based on his large ears– it was not an uncommon nickname in the 1930’s. My grandparents had a friend in high school they continued to call Jughead into the nineties, based on his large, jug-handle-like ears.

I’ve seen Victor Gorelick stumped by what the “S” stands for, though, so I don’t think there’s really an answer.

Blimey, I always thought Jughead was wearing a paper hat from a Christmas cracker.

I wonder if the Gerry Rafferty John Byrne is the Scottish playwright (Tutti Frutti, The Slab Boys) and painter. Hang on . .. yup.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Byrne_(Scottish_artist)

Regarding made up comic credits, I know about David V Reed, but who was Nellie Rooke, who answered DC lettercol queries in the Seventies in such books as Wonder Woman?

Maybe Jughead borrowed the shirt from his cousin Souphead.

that cover for Korn’s “Follow the Leader” is actually by Greg Capullo.

(in my opinion he did an even better job on Spawn than McFarlane ever did)

Charles Burns did the cover for Iggy Pop’s “Brick by Brick” album.

Fernando Ruiz is an unpleasant individual with some VERY bizarre ideas. He has done some very dubious things on line under a pen name.

[…] Fans of Archie Comics would all know who Archie’s pal Jughead is, but have you ever wondered where the origin of his name came from? Brian Cronin over at CBR has an extensive article on the origin of Jughead’s name (and his crown) which makes for fascinating reading (especially if you’re interested in the history of comics). The article can be found here. […]

On The Album art thing……I’m pretty sure Steve Ditko’s version of Dr. Strange is on Pink Floyd’s, A Saucerful of Secrets album front cover. You’ve got to stare at it awhile as several images are overlapped. I’ve always wondered if there were copyright issues involved. They also mention Dr. Strange by name on a later album.

Kim DeMulder did some of the M. Hands / D. Hands work, too – he just mentioned it over on his DeviantArt blog.

I would include Hewlett, although as co-member/creator of the band itself, he’s on a different level here.

True, but he also used to do Senseless Things covers.

I believe Shakey Kane has done some album covers too – I couldn’t tell you what though.

And Dave Gibbons also did the cover to the one and only “The Madness” album. (The Madness were Madness with everything that made them great removed)

http://www.archiecomics.com used to have the Jughead hat for sale, I got one last Christmas. Prized possession. I always wanted one growing up.

Also Entertainment Weekly’s EW.com had this story about Archie and revealed this little tibdit from an upcoming book by Bob Montana’s widow Peg Bertholet:

Montana’s widow is working on a book, The Golden Years of Newspaper Comics, that will clear up some mysteries about Riverdale, such as the meaning of the letter S on Jughead’s shirt. The people at Archie headquarters in Mamaroneck, N.Y., aren’t saying what that S stands for, but Bertholet will. ”Jughead’s S refers to a place called Skunk Hill in Haverhill, which Bob turned into Squirrel Hill.” Bob’s elementary school near Haverhill called its athletic teams the Tigers. ”So,” Bertholet concludes, ”Jughead’s S meant ‘Squirrel Hill Independent Tigers,’ and you couldn’t abbreviate it any other way.” Jughead, the seer who never opens his eyes, voices his indifference to society in the silent, not-quite-scatological cryptogram on his shirt. He’s a letterman in the sport of rebellion.

Ah, yes, the geeks have come out… .

Brian, it may be easier for you to limit your album covers by comic book artists to those albums that have actually sold more than, let’s say, 1000 copies or something reasonable. (Maybe 10,000 or 100,000 copies, depending on your mood? Or maybe, let’s say, hit the Billboard top 500 at any given point in history?) Half the albums mentioned so far probably don’t have content that’s listenable …

Cub? Iced Earth? Cannibal Corpse? Jim’s Big Ego? Yeah, they all hit that national spotlight….. *wheeze*

Really, a song about Barry Allen? And I thought Queen’s “Flash” sucked royally.

What was Infinity Chalice? Was it a canceled proposal or did the story end up as Infinity Abyss, Marvel the End or Galactus the Devourer?

Any idea who was the “D. Hands” behind the inking on Marvel’s Star Trek #13 (in their original line) with an April 1981 cover date.

According to Memory Alpha:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/All_the_Infinite_Ways

This version of the pseudonym included Marie Severin. Any idea who else might have been involved?

That jughead article makes for a fun fact. I’ve wondered about the purpose of that crown myself. Thanks for solving one of life’s mysteries.

Re: “Jaghead”.

For whatever it’s worth, “jaghead” doesn’t show up in the Oxford English Dictionary, the Dictionary of American Regional English, A Dictionary of Americanisms, A Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English, The Macmillan Dictionary of Historical Slang, or A Dictionary of American Slang.

“Jughead”, however, shows up in the OED, DARE, and DAS with definitions such as “A mule or horse with a large, chunky head; by extension, a stupid or stubborn one” and “a person’s head; a slow or stupid person.” (Both of these are from DARE, but similar definitions appear in the others.)

The quotes date back to 1924 in DARE and to 1926 in the OED — at least a decade and a half before the character’s first appearance.

I don’t know where you found mention of the supposed slang term “jaghead”, but it doesn’t appear to be documented in any of the standard reference works where one would expect to find it.

Tardy to the party on this one, but Marvel’s Transformers #58 was lettered by “Manny Manos.” “Manos,” of course, being Spanish for “hands.” No idea who actually lettered it, but there you go.

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