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		<title>By: danjack</title>
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		<dc:creator>danjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rock of Ages was a great Morrison read, that i will at some point pull out and read again, and be really satisfied. Batman vs. Desaad is a great moment, that we only see the outcome.

Action 775 is one of my very favorite issues of all time and showcases the reason that Superman is the greatest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rock of Ages was a great Morrison read, that i will at some point pull out and read again, and be really satisfied. Batman vs. Desaad is a great moment, that we only see the outcome.</p>
<p>Action 775 is one of my very favorite issues of all time and showcases the reason that Superman is the greatest.</p>
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		<title>By: Eldric IV</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eldric IV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get the hell out of my comics, Heisenberg!</description>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 07:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But if the Atom knew where the photon was, then how could he know it was heading towards Darkseid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But if the Atom knew where the photon was, then how could he know it was heading towards Darkseid?</p>
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		<title>By: Ortiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ortiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 21:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three great fights in this pack, the one from the Rock of the Ages is the best, outstanding.
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karl wrote:
i still remember being like 14 and every month between morrison’s rock of ages storyline seeming like years… it was a self contained storyline that felt like the most epic crossover in comics, todays writers could learn from that (maybe even morrison himself!)
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Totally true karl. Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three great fights in this pack, the one from the Rock of the Ages is the best, outstanding.<br />
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karl wrote:<br />
i still remember being like 14 and every month between morrison’s rock of ages storyline seeming like years… it was a self contained storyline that felt like the most epic crossover in comics, todays writers could learn from that (maybe even morrison himself!)<br />
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Totally true karl. Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: plok</title>
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		<dc:creator>plok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 09:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno, Nitz -- but the soldiers and cops totally won&#039;t ever kill the Joker either, nor will courts sentence him to death, nor will grieving widows (of which there must be hundreds and hundreds by now) go out looking for him with a gun...the story contrivance here is that &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; Batman is allowed to be asked why he won&#039;t get his hands dirty, it seems.  &lt;i&gt;Only&lt;/i&gt; Batman is selfish.  But everybody else is all &quot;let the Joker live!&quot;, or something?

I don&#039;t really buy that.  What if Batman decided to retire?  Whose fault would the Joker be then?

Seems like Batman&#039;s ethical problem about whether or not to kill the Joker is as set up by genre conventions as is the inability of a jail to hold a single prisoner.  In a way, they&#039;re exactly the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno, Nitz -- but the soldiers and cops totally won't ever kill the Joker either, nor will courts sentence him to death, nor will grieving widows (of which there must be hundreds and hundreds by now) go out looking for him with a gun...the story contrivance here is that <i>only</i> Batman is allowed to be asked why he won't get his hands dirty, it seems.  <i>Only</i> Batman is selfish.  But everybody else is all "let the Joker live!", or something?</p>
<p>I don't really buy that.  What if Batman decided to retire?  Whose fault would the Joker be then?</p>
<p>Seems like Batman's ethical problem about whether or not to kill the Joker is as set up by genre conventions as is the inability of a jail to hold a single prisoner.  In a way, they're exactly the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Nitz the Bloody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nitz the Bloody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 05:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Superman, at its best, is all about not falling into that senseless trap and instead aiming for higher ideals. &quot;

But since prisons in superhero comics are about as secure as a house of straw, and since characters like Lex Luthor don&#039;t have any interest in reforming of their own accord, and since Supes isn&#039;t exactly going to remove Lex&#039;s free will via heat vision lobotomy, there&#039;s no practical reason for the superhero&#039;s &quot; technical pacifism &quot;. There are plenty of external genre reasons ( most notably, the need to have popular villains survive ) which I accept, but if we&#039;re talking about the ethics within the story itself, then the code against killing is actually a moral weakness.

Isn&#039;t it a bit selfish that the Joker gets to murder hundreds of innocents every time he gets out of Arkham so that Batman doesn&#039;t have to get his hands dirty? Soldiers kill as part of the job, and policemen will kill if there are no other options. The traditional Silver Agey superhero isn&#039;t expected to, even if it&#039;s pitting the lives of a thousand civilians against one sociopathic mass-murderer. Which makes it even more irritating when the heroes who are willing to take lives immediately fall into the bad guy camp.*

* ( Note that I said willing to do so, not interested in doing it; I don&#039;t think a character who enjoys taking lives can be a hero. The problem with the Authority isn&#039;t that they use lethal force, but that they fetishize it; where Jack Hawksmoor actually wept when forced to kill in Stormwatch,  he jokes about beating up villains with one of their comrades&#039; severed head once Millar takes over. Even Hawksmoor in the Ellis Authority was portrayed as numbing himself to the shock, as opposed to damn near getting off on it... )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>" Superman, at its best, is all about not falling into that senseless trap and instead aiming for higher ideals. "</p>
<p>But since prisons in superhero comics are about as secure as a house of straw, and since characters like Lex Luthor don't have any interest in reforming of their own accord, and since Supes isn't exactly going to remove Lex's free will via heat vision lobotomy, there's no practical reason for the superhero's " technical pacifism ". There are plenty of external genre reasons ( most notably, the need to have popular villains survive ) which I accept, but if we're talking about the ethics within the story itself, then the code against killing is actually a moral weakness.</p>
<p>Isn't it a bit selfish that the Joker gets to murder hundreds of innocents every time he gets out of Arkham so that Batman doesn't have to get his hands dirty? Soldiers kill as part of the job, and policemen will kill if there are no other options. The traditional Silver Agey superhero isn't expected to, even if it's pitting the lives of a thousand civilians against one sociopathic mass-murderer. Which makes it even more irritating when the heroes who are willing to take lives immediately fall into the bad guy camp.*</p>
<p>* ( Note that I said willing to do so, not interested in doing it; I don't think a character who enjoys taking lives can be a hero. The problem with the Authority isn't that they use lethal force, but that they fetishize it; where Jack Hawksmoor actually wept when forced to kill in Stormwatch,  he jokes about beating up villains with one of their comrades' severed head once Millar takes over. Even Hawksmoor in the Ellis Authority was portrayed as numbing himself to the shock, as opposed to damn near getting off on it... )</p>
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		<title>By: Jbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 01:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, wow, I think I still have a Marvel Masterpieces card based on that Uncanny X-men cover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, wow, I think I still have a Marvel Masterpieces card based on that Uncanny X-men cover.</p>
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		<title>By: Tungsten Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tungsten Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 01:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kind of funky to see IC and Prime on here so much, but, hey, it&#039;s true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of funky to see IC and Prime on here so much, but, hey, it's true.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 00:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I write that the mutant massacre battle was the first fight between Logan and Sabretooth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I write that the mutant massacre battle was the first fight between Logan and Sabretooth?</p>
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		<title>By: Luis Dantas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luis Dantas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff Holland, the point is that Authority-like antics create as much trouble as they solve.  Violence creates more violence.

Superman, at its best, is all about not falling into that senseless trap and instead aiming for higher ideals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff Holland, the point is that Authority-like antics create as much trouble as they solve.  Violence creates more violence.</p>
<p>Superman, at its best, is all about not falling into that senseless trap and instead aiming for higher ideals.</p>
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		<title>By: Ant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree th Green Arrow and Atom taking down Darkseid was great but the best battle in Rock of Ages is the one we never sw. The eight year long psychological battle between Batman and DeSaad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree th Green Arrow and Atom taking down Darkseid was great but the best battle in Rock of Ages is the one we never sw. The eight year long psychological battle between Batman and DeSaad.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Holland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But regarding JLA: I think we were all very proud of Green Arrow and Atom that day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But regarding JLA: I think we were all very proud of Green Arrow and Atom that day.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Holland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That issue of Action never sat right with me, because it didn&#039;t really answer the question of why Superman&#039;s better. It just set up a bunch of psychotic straw-man Authority stand-ins, then showed Superman &#039;kill them,&#039; and then finish with the moral, &#039;But Superman would NEVER kill someone, because he&#039;s better than them!&quot;

Okay, that&#039;s fine, but what point is that arguing? &quot;Superman&#039;s better because he&#039;s better&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That issue of Action never sat right with me, because it didn't really answer the question of why Superman's better. It just set up a bunch of psychotic straw-man Authority stand-ins, then showed Superman 'kill them,' and then finish with the moral, 'But Superman would NEVER kill someone, because he's better than them!"</p>
<p>Okay, that's fine, but what point is that arguing? "Superman's better because he's better"?</p>
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		<title>By: stealthwise</title>
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		<dc:creator>stealthwise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Superboy Prime fight had to be the worst, most wrong-headed of any Superman fight I&#039;ve ever seen.  It&#039;s totally incongruent with what a Superman story should be about, which is highlighted further by including Kelly&#039;s Superman vs Elite story on the same day.

It&#039;s actually pretty depressing that SBP is getting so many votes, because the character is really crappy, and will likely be the running joke of this decade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Superboy Prime fight had to be the worst, most wrong-headed of any Superman fight I've ever seen.  It's totally incongruent with what a Superman story should be about, which is highlighted further by including Kelly's Superman vs Elite story on the same day.</p>
<p>It's actually pretty depressing that SBP is getting so many votes, because the character is really crappy, and will likely be the running joke of this decade.</p>
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		<title>By: Teebore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teebore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There sure are a lot of Superboy Prime fights on this list. Oh well.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was just thinking the same thing. Maybe people just like seeing Superboy Prime getting beat down...?

Anyways, when I first read that JLA issue with the Atom riding a beam of light into Darkseid&#039;s brain, it totally blew my mind. And I still think it&#039;s a pretty awesome moment in a pretty cool fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There sure are a lot of Superboy Prime fights on this list. Oh well.</p></blockquote>
<p>I was just thinking the same thing. Maybe people just like seeing Superboy Prime getting beat down...?</p>
<p>Anyways, when I first read that JLA issue with the Atom riding a beam of light into Darkseid's brain, it totally blew my mind. And I still think it's a pretty awesome moment in a pretty cool fight.</p>
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		<title>By: DanLarkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanLarkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There sure are a lot of Superboy Prime fights on this list.  Oh well. Glad to see the Rock of Ages battle make the list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There sure are a lot of Superboy Prime fights on this list.  Oh well. Glad to see the Rock of Ages battle make the list.</p>
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		<title>By: karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i still remember being like 14 and every month between morrison&#039;s rock of ages storyline seeming like years... it was a self contained storyline that felt like the most epic crossover in comics, todays writers could learn from that (maybe even morrison himself!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i still remember being like 14 and every month between morrison's rock of ages storyline seeming like years... it was a self contained storyline that felt like the most epic crossover in comics, todays writers could learn from that (maybe even morrison himself!)</p>
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		<title>By: Nitz the Bloody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nitz the Bloody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technically, the Uncanny X-Men issue was PSYLOCKE vs. Sabretooth. There was a good Logan/Creed in the prior issue ( which ends not with one of them losing, but with Logan retreating to save the Morlock Healer because his duty to his comrades was more important than a grudge match ), but in this issue it was an incidental orgy of violence.

The use of Psylocke made it a much better fight scene than a Logan/Creed match would have given; the X-Men had assumed that Betsy was just an elegant socialite useless in a battle, but facing Sabretooth alone and walking away alive is no small feat. ( This is made more remarkable because this was prior to Betsy&#039;s ninja makeover ).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technically, the Uncanny X-Men issue was PSYLOCKE vs. Sabretooth. There was a good Logan/Creed in the prior issue ( which ends not with one of them losing, but with Logan retreating to save the Morlock Healer because his duty to his comrades was more important than a grudge match ), but in this issue it was an incidental orgy of violence.</p>
<p>The use of Psylocke made it a much better fight scene than a Logan/Creed match would have given; the X-Men had assumed that Betsy was just an elegant socialite useless in a battle, but facing Sabretooth alone and walking away alive is no small feat. ( This is made more remarkable because this was prior to Betsy's ninja makeover ).</p>
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