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Comic Book Legends Revealed #191

This is the one-hundred and ninety-first in a series of examinations of comic book legends and whether they are true or false. Click here for an archive of the previous one-hundred and ninety.

Let’s begin!

COMIC LEGEND: Due to the unwritten rule that only Stan Lee could write Silver Surfer solo stories, there were no solo Surfer stories until Steve Englehart’s series in 1987.

STATUS: False

A bunch of readers wrote in about this following the installment from two weeks ago about Marvel’s unwritten rule that only Stan Lee could write solo Silver Surfer stories, a rule that was finally broken when Marvel decided to give Surfer an ongoing series in the late 80s (something that they either did not want Lee to write or something that Lee had no interest in doing). Xavier Lancel and Antoine Verville are the two readers I have written down here that wrote to me about it, but there could have been (probably are) more who did so.

What’s funny is that I knew this, but forgot to mention it.

In any event, back in the 1970s, the Silver Surfer was a popular character in France, and he was licensed for more than one French comic book.

By the late 1970s, however, the title that the comics appeared in (called Nova), was running out of material to reprint.

So they petitioned Marvel to let them do NEW, French-only, Silver material.

Marvel agreed, and in 1980, in Nova #25 and 26, writer Marcel Navarro and artist J.Y. Mitton produced the first two Silver Surfer solo stories NOT written by Stan Lee.

Here is one of the covers and a sample page (courtesy of Alter Ego #1, and a great article written by Jean-Marc Lofficier)…

The problem with the issue was that while it was new material that needed to be paid for, Marvel still requested the same licensing fee, so it was like the publishers were paying twice for the same story, and that just was not cost-efficient enough, so they stopped with the new stories after just two issues.

A few years later, Marvel would have a new ongoing title, and the need for new Silver Surfer stories was sated for years!

Thanks to Xavier Lancel and Antoine Verville (and others) for the suggestion, and thanks a billion to
Jean-Marc Lofficier and the great folks at Alter Ego and TwoMorrows Publishing for the information!

COMIC LEGEND: Dick Grayson was originally going to be killed in Infinite Crisis.

STATUS: True

Reader Bob asked this back in mid-2007, and I figured it was better to get some time and distance between the actual ending of Infinite Crisis and answering it, and since FINAL Crisis is almost over, I figure now is as good a time as any to answer it.

In any event, yes, the powerful energy blast that Dick Grayson, Nightwing, receives towards the end of Infinite Crisis was initially intended to kill the hero.

Back in March of 2007, Dan Didio and Judd Winick revealed at a panel that the idea of killing off Dick was more or less both of their idea.

The notion being that Dick’s role in the DC Universe was a bit un-defined (he’s not quite Batman, but he’s also not a sidekick), and that through his death, he could effect change on a whole host of other characters, and also work as a way to bring Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman back together again, which was a problem going into Infinite Crisis, that the Trinity was a bit split.

In the end, it was Paul Levitz who nixed the idea, feeling that Nightwing was too good of a character to lose.

This is why Bruce Jones’ Nightwing was a bit doomed from the start, as he was going to have the book star Jason Todd as the new Nightwing, but when Dick Grayson got his reprieve, suddenly Jones had to work in TWO Nightwings into his story that was meant to only have one of them (this is not to say that his run would have been good with just one Nightwing, just noting that he clearly had a bit struggle to work with on the book).

Thanks to Bob for the question, and thanks to Dan Didio and Judd Winick for the information!

COMIC LEGEND: Namor was not revealed to be from Atlantis (and perhaps was NOT actually from Atlantis) until AFTER Aquaman was!

STATUS: True

Quite a long while ago (the column was still in double digits!), I did a piece about the oddity of Aquaman’s Atlantis origins. As famous as Aquaman being from Atlantis is, it was not actually part of his origin until 1959, EIGHTEEN YEARS after his first appearance.

However, what’s even more surprising than that is that though his origin really never changed, Namor the Sub-Mariner was not from Atlantis until AFTER Aquaman!

Surprisingly, even though it was pretty clear where Namor was from during his early comic appearances in both Marvel Mystery Comics and Sub-Mariner, his homeland was never specifically noted as Atlantis. In fact, according to a great interview Roy Thomas did with Namor creator, Bill Everett, Everett specifically did NOT have Namor be from Atlantis originally…

Thomas: It was interesting, then, that you didn’t call your submerged world “Atlantis.”

Everett: No, I didn’t want to, because Atlantis to me was another world and a world that existed and I still believe it does, somewhere. I don’t think it’s alive, but I think it was a continent that did exist at one time, so I didn’t want to go that far. But the idea of the submerged continent came from Atlantis.

A couple of non-Everett comics mentioned Namor’s home as Atlantis (all after Aquaman’s origin, though), but that seemed more like mistakes than anything else.

It was not until the Silver Age that Namor’s home really officially became Atlantis, and even then, it was not named as such right off the bat!

To wit, in the famous fourth issue of Fantastic Four, where Namor makes his triumphant return…

His next appearance in the title…

His next…

His next…

FINALLY, in 1964′s Fantastic Four Annual #1, when Namor finally re-connects with his people, the name of his “underwater kingdom” is given…

He then quickly mentions it again in his next appearance in The Avengers #3…

Thanks to Paul Blanshard for the idea! And thanks so much to Glen Cadigan for showing me the great interview Roy Thomas did with Bill Everett. Thanks, also, to Thomas and the late Everett for the info!

Okay, that’s it for this week!

Thanks to the Grand Comic Book Database for this week’s covers!

Feel free (heck, I implore you!) to write in with your suggestions for future installments! My e-mail address is cronb01@aol.com.

See you next week!

70 Comments

I think it’s kind of funny that they wanted to kill off Dick Grayson because Nightwing was neither not quite Batman nor a sidekick…yet it was okay for Jason Todd to be Nightwing, yet still neither not quite Batman nor a sidekick…

I think it’s because Jason would have been a Nightwing willing to kill, which gives him a hook that Dick doesn’t have. I don’t agree with it, but that’s probably the thinking.

Wow, that coral TV is cool–surface dwellers should have realized that coral picks up electronic signals way better than “rabbit ears” ever could.

“Wow, that coral TV is cool–surface dwellers should have realized that coral picks up electronic signals way better than “rabbit ears” ever could.”

But would that set be useless in about 3 weeks? Or is it cable-ready?

Great article, Brian!

I had no idea about the Namor/Atlantis stuff…

Wow, check the hyphenation in the lettering! yikes!

It is indeed strange how Namor’s Atlantis was not properly named until later. In fact, it is more actually called Tha-Korr (though that likely came later too) and was located near ANTARCTICA. (This is explained by the various migrations the Homo Mermanis have had around the oceans.)

As for killing off Dick, I’m not surprised at all, since Didio and company seem to have a “Hollywood executive” approach to their work, going to for the shocking stuff regardless of a character’s history or fandom. Too bad that Superboy didn’t get that same break (probably due to the fight over the rights to the character’s name going on behind the scenes.) Or is that another rumor? Worth investigating…

So, if they call Silver Surfer “Nova” in France, what do they call Nova?

Regarding the French Silver Surfer issues in Nova, I have them and they are a great read. I have always found it to be a shame that they were never reprinted in English in any of the numerous Silver Surfer reprints that have been done over the years.

The irony is that the two stories were actually reprinted in German, and I was able to track down a copy of that too just last year. If I can find a scan of the cover, I’ll send it along.

Maybe there was a public domain issue? I know companies are reluctant to use public domain stuff when they can create something new (thereby monopolizing its use). After years of fans referring to it as Atlantis, they might have just thrown in the towel and started calling it that.

There would have been a symmetry to Dick dying in INFINITE CRISIS, since Earth-2 Dick died in the first one. That element was lacking from Conner’s death, which seemed arbitrary in the story (of course, we knew the real-world Superboy litigation was the real reason he had to die).

I also think it’s true that DC has no idea what to do with Dick Grayson. For decades they’ve shied away from the idea that he’s Batman’s son, when any reasonable outside observer could see that he is. That’s hemmed them into saying “Well, if he’s not Robin and he’s not Batman ergo he’s not anything.”

In France, Nova is called “A Royale with cheese.”

No – Nova is the name of the comic. The Silver Surfer is called “Le Surfer d’Argent”.

That’s what we need: more superheroes willing to kill. It’s the wave of the future!

I love how in the panel with Namor watching the TV, there’s a picture of the Invisible Woman just sitting there in a coral reef photo frame, on top of a star fish desk. It’s such a wacky scene that makes sense.

Good thing they didn’t kill off Dick, with what Peter Tomasi is doing in Nightwing it’s comic book gold. I work at a comic book store and whenever anyone asks me what to read I always say “Nightwing.” I wasn’t even that big of a fan until I read Tomasi’s work. Now everyone who comes back loves Nightwing.

…So, how did Namor’s coral TV make the switch to HD?

I always loved how the other Atlanteans were so ornately dressed, while their king walked around shirtless, in a speedo. Even where Namor was presiding over his court, he’d have his long red cape and golden crown, but still wore the swim trunks and nothing else.

James – they all love it just in time for its cancellation – yay!

I can’t help but notice that the French seem to be under the impression that he is the Silver Space Luger.

The reason why Namor’s home was not referred to as Atlantis was because as far as Bill Everertt was concerned, Namor was NOT from Atlantis. From his interview with Roy Thomas, as reprinted in Alter Ego: The Best of the Legendary Comics Fanzine:

Thomas: It was interesting, then, that you didn’t call your submerged world “Atlantis.”

Everett: No, I didn’t want to, because Atlantis to me was another world and a world that existed and I still believe it does, somewhere. I don’t think it’s alive, but I think it was a continent that did exist at one time, so I didn’t want to go that far. But the idea of the submerged continent came from Atlantis.

He also explains in the interview that the reason why he set Namor’s undersea kingdom near Antarctica was because it “… was a fascination. I used to read all of [Admiral] Byrd’s exploits and expeditions. I can tell you all the geography of the Antarctic. I could rattle off every camp that was ever put up there[.]”

Remember, kids, Namor wasn’t created by Stan Lee!

Yeah, I think Namor’s picture of another dude’s wife on his table perfectly exemplifies that creepiness I was talking about way back in that messy thread.

“I also think it’s true that DC has no idea what to do with Dick Grayson. For decades they’ve shied away from the idea that he’s Batman’s son, when any reasonable outside observer could see that he is.”

He’s also officially adopted by Bruce, and has been for a while now. Good story in Gotham Knights that dealt with that.

Anyway, Nightwing is the sidekick who made good, and became his own man, moving out of his mentor’s shadow but maintaining the connection. It’s a very powerful character hook (unlike Wally, who is… or was… the “sidekick who stepped into his mentor’s shoes and continued his work” character). I never understood why “he’ll never be Batman” was something WRONG with the character; in my eyes, it’s nothing but a positive. Dick doesn’t have the obsessive drive Bruce does, which is necessary to be Batman. But he is a natural hero and leader in his own right, which is why the Nightwing identity works as well as it does.

(Of course, DiDido obviously doesn’t get that, given what we’ll likely be getting post-Battle for the Cowl….)

Dixon covered all this quite thoroughly in his Nightwing run, which sort of punts the whole “Dixon isn’t good with characterisation” b.s. from earlier this week.

I remember reading an article (maybe in an old letter’s page?), where it was suggested that Namor’s migrating people did not originate from Atlantis, but found the undersea continent in their travels after one of those “gotta leave becasue the surface dwellers are bombing us again” incidents in the 1960′s.

>>In France, Nova is called “A Royale with cheese.”

Kevin: well played. (Michael for the assist.)

Man, that joke made my day.

I don’t see why it’s so hard to “get” Dick Grayson, or to find a good hook for him. Just look at the Sensational Character Find of 1940′s introduction:

“An exciting figure whose incredible gymnastic and athletic feats will astound you…a laughing, fighting young daredevil who scoffs at danger like the legendary Robin Hood whose name and spirit he has adopted…Robin the Boy Wonder.”

Who’s Nightwing? He’s that laughing young daredevil, grown up. He’s Batman’s heir. He went through his “rebellious teenager” phase, but that’s in the past now, and he’s a mature young man.

Sure, he’s “he’s not quite Batman, but he’s also not a sidekick.” That’s a feature, not a bug, and there are any number of interesting angles you can play with.

Is the Surfer giving a poorly received singing engagement on that cover?

Jason Todd should die. At least once more. And stay dead this time.

What character is DC going to kill off this week? This is good writing, guys.

Man, I rue the day Paul Levitz ever leaves DC. Then we’ll be at the mercy of an editor who will forego characterization for shock value.
I’m one of the few who thought the return of Jason Todd would lead to a great story arc, with a change in the status quo, for the better. Unfortunately, I wasn’t aware I’d be at the mercy of a mediocre writer who seemed to have exclusive rights to the character for a year or two.
The idea that Judd Winnick had any kind of say in Dick Grayson’s fate only adds insult to injury.
At some point, Didio needs to realize Geoff Johns is not the only good writer he’s got in his stable. 52 proved you could take what some would consider B-characters, and make them interesting and pertinent with the right talent. People who know what those characters are about, and what makes them resonate with the fans.
None of this matters, though.
Jason Todd will be the new Batman at the end of BFTC, and we’ll have to wait for Morrison to come back before Damien whips his @$$.

I like how the recent Nightwing run played with the idea that he’s the Kevin Bacon of the DC universe. He has connections to everybody and, unlike his misanthropic pop, has no qualms about asking other heroes for help.

Killing off Robin…yet another reason Dan Didio doesn’t deserve his job. All this guy knows how to do is publish shocking events, not actual storytelling. Between this and the whole “Swamp Thing is just like Solomon Grundy” idiocy, it’s amazing to me that he hasn’t been fired already.

“Yeah, I think Namor’s picture of another dude’s wife on his table perfectly exemplifies that creepiness I was talking about way back in that messy thread.”

At the time it was a picture of another dude’s girlfriend…

Best,
Hunter (Pedro Bouça)

There really isn’t anything creepy about Sue’s picture on Namor’s starfish. Girlfriends certainly had a different meaning back in the 1960′s. It was “girlfriends” as in a Betty & Veronica sense, which brought along very little commitment. It was not unusual to take “a girlfriend” out on a date on a Saturday night and go to the beach with another “girlfriend” on Sunday morning. It was only if you gave a girl your school ring that you were “going steady”, and thus involved in a more serious relationship.

“I’m one of the few who thought the return of Jason Todd would lead to a great story arc, with a change in the status quo, for the better. Unfortunately, I wasn’t aware I’d be at the mercy of a mediocre writer who seemed to have exclusive rights to the character for a year or two.”

Same here. They blew the revelation: having Jason be revealed as Hush would’ve been epic and added the first A-level Bat-villain to the gallery since Bane. That would’ve worked fine. Instead, Loeb backed off… then having him show up as the Red Hood, in the middle of Winick’s goofball Batman run? No buys.

(To stay on topic, the one really good issue of Winick’s Batman run was the one with Batman and Nightwing taking down Amazo, which was both a good fight scene and bit of character work. Winick wrote a better Nightwing than he did Batman, although by the end of Outsiders even that had degenerated into horrible storytelling).

That reminds me, though, as a follow-up: if Dick was supposed to die in FC, and the Jones run had to be changed at the last minute to account for the reversal… what was going to happen with Outsiders?

“At some point, Didio needs to realize Geoff Johns is not the only good writer he’s got in his stable. 52 proved you could take what some would consider B-characters, and make them interesting and pertinent with the right talent. People who know what those characters are about, and what makes them resonate with the fans”

Unfortunately, part of that meant killing them others off (Booster for while, Question for ever etc)…

So just to be clear, it was DC and Didio’s original intent to kill the understudies of Superman (Superboy), Batman (Dick Grayson), AND the Flash (Bart Allen) all within the span of a year or so?

Doubtful, Loren, I think it may have been if/or with Nightwing and Superboy.

Bill Everett might not have intended Namor to be from Atlantis, but someone else slipped it into a story back in the forties. In the second story in Sub-Mariner Comics #31 (April 1949), Namor tells Betty Dean:

“My people, as you know, were the original inhabitants of the land of Atlantis.”

He then proceeds to tell her a pretty wacky story about how a magnet sank Atlantis.

Charles Lobsterman

January 23, 2009 at 4:47 pm

I guess I don’t care about any of this anymore.

Near as I can tell, FF I#11 features the first Silver Age mention of Atlantis in a pin-up. However, Sub-Mariner Comics#32 in 1949 did mention Atlantis as the home of the sub-mariners.

@Paul

It’s creepy if you start wondering where/how he got that picture. Did Sue ever stand and pose for Namor? I’m thinking she didn’t. That would mean Namor stole the picture or cut a picture of Sue Storm out of a magazine and FRAMED IT.

“In the end, it was Paul Levitz who nixed the idea, feeling that Nightwing was too good of a character to lose’

He is? What about nixing the idea because Dick Grayson has been around since 1940, and is the 3rd or 4th most famous sercret identity in the world?

Since Di Dio has been responsible for bringing back the real Supergirl (if only Loeb didn’t massacre her origin), Barry Allen, and Hal Jordan, its puzzling that he would rather push Jason Todd or Tim Drake, when he has the real thing right there.

It should be noted that the first solo Silver Surfer story published in America that was not written by Stan Lee was written (and drawn) by John Byrne in a Silver Surfer one shot published in the mid 80′s.

Didn’t Stan script or coplot that Byrne one shot?

Earlier, back in FF 11, during the visit with the Fantastic Four, we learned that Sue had a photo of Namor that she kept hidden. So they had exchanged photos. It wasn’t like he was stalking her.

“I always loved how the other Atlanteans were so ornately dressed, while their king walked around shirtless, in a speedo. Even where Namor was presiding over his court, he’d have his long red cape and golden crown, but still wore the swim trunks and nothing else.”

I myself used to like the capes and gowns worn by Namor and his loyal assistant, his name escapes me…Vashti?…very useful while swimming underwater. And with fur collars yet! What a riot! The 60′s were great.

Jeez that TV is just too much..where exactly would he get that from anyway? And the lamp? Atlantis have a Sears???

Didn’t Stan script or coplot that Byrne one shot?

Yep.

Thank God for Paul Levitz! Having Dick Grayson killed off after all those years of character development by Wolfman and Perez would have stirred up yet another hornet’s nest for Didio. There is no logic whatsoever in assuming Nightwing HAS to be Batman. He’s the best candidate for the role, but also a great character in his own right.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Jason Todd take up the Batman mantle. Then they can go the way of Azrael and have Jason running amok in Gotham until Bruce makes his next return. It’s just like 90′s all over again…

:(

In Namor’s defense … I made friends with this young lady over the internet a few years back, and we exchanged pics eventually. I framed it. Eventually, she met this guy and they got married. We’re still friends. And I still have the pic and the frame.

On the other hand, I never tried to get her to run off with me and become my queen, so maybe it’s a little bit different.

For everyone trying to justify the wackiness of Namor’s “living room,” look, you really just have to ride the madness in that panel. I mean, look at it! He’s sitting on a clam chair! He’s watching a coral reef TV! He’s got a picture of someone else’s woman, from another world, framed in a coral reef frame, sitting a top a starfish desk, as if nothing is wrong with it! Look at the crazy fish sculpture! What in the world is that lamp made out of? Where did he even get these pieces of “furniture?” Is that a black and green wall a seawood corridor, or something? And look at the bemused, yet attentive look on Namor’s face, as he listens to some news station talk about the FF going bankrupt, as he turns up the volume on his coral TV. It’s utter wackiness, and yet, it makes complete sense. This one panel exemplifies everything good about wacky comics. More comics should be like this.

“So just to be clear, it was DC and Didio’s original intent to kill the understudies of Superman (Superboy), Batman (Dick Grayson), AND the Flash (Bart Allen) all within the span of a year or so?”

No, there are some articles out there that make it clear that when Didio couldn’t kill Nightwing, the decision was made to kill Superboy. As Didio said “We were looking for the big death in Infinite Crisis – the big moment.” Just do a search on Nightwing, Superboy, and Crisis.

Actually, Sub-Mariner Comics#32 does refer to Atlantis as the homeland of the Sub-Mariners, but this still came out after Aquaman namechecked Atlantis.

Only Kirby could make Namor’s bizarre, aquatic-themed interior decorating seem perfectly logical and, on top of that, pretty damn cool-looking. Long live the King!

Can someone confirm for me the proper pronunciation of ‘Sub-Mariner’? Is it “mareener” or “marin-er”?

The latter one.

“He’s also officially adopted by Bruce, and has been for a while now. Good story in Gotham Knights that dealt with that.”–Nobody remembers that dude. Have you forgoten? All fans are required to hate Gotham Knights and every story in it, even though it was, pound for pound, a pretty darn good Batman book.

Wow ! Had no idea Namor’s Atlantis came after Aquaman’s or that it took 18 years for Orin to have it worked in.

I’d love to have reprints of the French Surfer.

Nightwing has always been kinda cool. I can kind of see Didio’s thinking about him not being Batman or Robin but that Kevin Bacon angle is classic. That and the fact that Dick is more well adjusted than Bruce.

Dick Grayson really is one of the few characters who has developed and become his own man -to kill him for shock value really would have been stupid….

And Dick might not want to but he really is the ONLY option to take up the cowl for the simple reason… when Batman is sitting at the JLA meeting table with Superman and Wonder Woman who else is going to get the same level of respect from these two that Bruce gets?

It’s a stretch for Tim to get a seat at the table, let alone Jason Todd or any of the other “candidates”

Well, it’s a stretch for “Trinity” (purportedly to focus on the “need” for Superman, Batman (Bruce Wayne), and Wonder Woman to form the pillar of the DC super-hero community) to be running at the same time as Final Crisis, Batman R.I.P., The Battle for the Cowl, and so on… but that’s comics.

Now that DC is re-creating the Bat-line, ending titles left and right, bringing in older characters that never went anywhere to begin with, and Marvel doing basically the same, bringing back concepts that were old when I was a kid, I feel no trepidation toward moving on. The Final Crisis is truly the final one for me… Enjoy your escapes to the alternate universes, folks…

Peace out.

Trinity I just look at Busiek having some fun with a psuedo-elseworlds. It doesn’t have to “fit” into anything, just like Brave and the Bold and the (suddenly, unexpectedly great) Superman / Batman (seriously!) don’t.

I never knew Gotham Knights was hated, at least in the original “modern Batman Family” incarnation – there were some really good stories in there, such as the aforementioned adoption story and the one showing exactly what Bruce Wayne does all day. I’d agree that it went off the rails after that, what with the whole “Prometheus is Hush’s sidekick” thing that was recently retconned with extreme prejudice.

God, that One Year Later Nightwing arc with Jones was one of the worst piles of crap I’ve ever read.

fenixrisingxl21, you do know that Geoff Johns was one of the writers on 52 don’t you?

And all the writers on 52 get the same kind of treatment as him, Rucka, Morrison and Waid get to pretty much do whatever they want.

Love this column … it’s fascinating & cool read …

Thrilled Dick Grayson wasn’t killed off though I think if there’s gonna be a new Batman, I would love for it to be someone completely new. Grayson’s great as Nightwing, Drake as Robin – Todd & Damien, eh. Battle for the Cowl seems like a bit of a silly concept but who knows?

Will say I liked Winick’s Red Hood storyline all things considered. Like a post said above if they were gonna bring him back I don’t see why they didn’t just make him Hush.

And all the writers on 52 get the same kind of treatment as him, Rucka, Morrison and Waid get to pretty much do whatever they want.

If that was true, Mark Waid would be writing Superman every month

“Anyway, Nightwing is the sidekick who made good, and became his own man, moving out of his mentor’s shadow but maintaining the connection. It’s a very powerful character hook (unlike Wally, who is… or was… the “sidekick who stepped into his mentor’s shoes and continued his work” character). I never understood why “he’ll never be Batman” was something WRONG with the character; in my eyes, it’s nothing but a positive. Dick doesn’t have the obsessive drive Bruce does, which is necessary to be Batman. But he is a natural hero and leader in his own right, which is why the Nightwing identity works as well as it does.”

I couldn’t have put it better, Stephen!

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Nightwing6711

May 28, 2010 at 8:42 pm

“This is why Bruce Jones’ Nightwing was a bit doomed from the start, as he was going to have the book star Jason Todd as the new Nightwing, but when Dick Grayson got his reprieve, suddenly Jones had to work in TWO Nightwings into his story that was meant to only have one of them (this is not to say that his run would have been good with just one Nightwing, just noting that he clearly had a bit struggle to work with on the book). ”

This is actually WRONG. Both Didio and Winnick said the book was going to be cancelled and Winnick implied that after Alexander Luthor killed Nightwing, Batman would kill him and then spend a year in arkham with Jason as a bad batman for at least a year.

PLUS – why did Jones “have” to work two nightwings into his story. Sounds like more work than just writing a new storyand pretty unbelievable. Either DC fed this infor to CBR or CBR is making it up as they go along. Either way … bad info.

I wonder where Bill Everett’s real world Atlantis existed in relation to the Neal Adams drifting continents….

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