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Making a Final Crisis FAQ

I see that quite a few people have some questions about the events of Final Crisis that they’d like to see answered, so I thought it’d be a nice idea to do a FAQ.

So if you have a question about Final Crisis that you’d like to see answered, ask it in the comments and I will compile a bunch and make a FAQ!

Note: The here comments section is a snark-free zone. Just ask questions about stuff from the comics that confused you/you weren’t sure about.

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Hey Brian, thanks for doing this:

Anyway my questions go all the way back to issue 1. Was that exiled Monitor reawoken as that black kid who worked at the burger joint? Or was that supposed to be Orion? Was Orion even reborn at all? Also, in the first issue we saw a Green Lantern construct as a monkey with cymbals (with a big HAHAHAH!), did they ever reveal who did that attack on John Stewart? Was it that Alpha Lantern Granny Goodness hid in, or was it just forgotten? I always thought it was supposed to be the Joker, who got his hands on a power ring, but hey, that’s why I don’t write comics.

How did FC actually tie into Death of the New Gods? The two events seemed to cover the same events (such as the death of Orion) but in vastly different ways.

Why couldn’t the Guardians simply wave a finger and shut down Boodika the Alpha Lantern from getting anywhere near the Central Power Battery? We’ve seen them shut down power rings before, should be no reason they could not do it (or something similar) this time around.

why was Shilo Norman suddenly colored as Caucasian in some pages of Final Crisis #6? mistake or actual story reasoning? it’s Morrison here so I wouldn’t put it past him…

can the events in Final Crisis be directly linked to the Mister Miracle mini? i read that back when it came out, and i understood it (somewhat!) for what it was. then i read the first issue of FC and i didn’t necessarily see how they connected to each other.

is there any connection between the New Gods appearance in the final issues of Firestorm and their actions in FC?

okay, wait, so Batman did die… he didn’t die… OKAY, what is his status as can best be described RIGHT NOW.

is there any significance to the strip club we see in the ending of FC #1? (i feel like this one might be obvious but i just can’t remember…)

I’d like to see an attempt at tracing Superman chronologically through the whole thing.

The story starts with Darkseid’s fall to Earth after a war in heaven. What happened there?

Who the heck was Libra?

What was the relationship between the Darkseid story that took up most of the series and the Mandrakk story that took up the Superman Beyond side-series and the last half of the last issue of the main series?

Did Hawkman and Hawkgirl die? Why? What were they doing?

What was going on with the Atoms? What were they doing? Did it work? What did it do?

Why is the Legion of 3 Worlds series still going, and what is its connection to the main series?

What was the point of the whole Question and Spectre side series? What exactly did any of that accomplish?

Mind you, I liked Final Crisis, but now that you’ve given me a forum, I’m starting to think about all the things that didn’t really make sense to me along the way.

A question about format – would folks prefer I answer all the questions as they come and then later format my responses into a separate post?

Or just wait until I get enough questions and then do a post answering them?

Either way works for me.

When Superman used the Miracle Machine to wish the world back into existence, why didn’t he wish for the fallen heroes such as Martian Manhunter, Batman (at least Superman believed him to be dead), etc. to be resurrected, or to make any other perfecting changes to the world? Did it have to do with Superman’s own internal limitations (i.e. he thought that those kind of changes were things he should not mess around with), or with external limitations of the Miracle Machine’s capacity?

Brian: My vote is to aggregate the questions and answer them all at once in a separate post. That way no one misses anything.

If you’re up for it, I think this should be like any other FAQ. It should be a post or an article listing the questions and answers.

I agree with one of the posters above. Final Crisis was supposed be about Darkseid’s fall and rebirth and the transition of the universe from the Fourth World to the Fifth World. If that’s the case, who is Mandrakk the Dark Monitor and why did he show up in Superman Beyond & FC #7? What was his part in the story?

Seriously, why did Shilo Norman a turn into a white man for issues #4-6?

Okie doke, that’s what I’ll do.

I’ll give this entry say…hmm…let’s say a week, and whatever questions are asked by then I will compile and answer (to the best of my abilities, of course)!

If Batman is not dead and stuck in time/somewhere in the multiverse, then whose charred corpse was Superman holding? (This may be explained if we get a concise explanation of just what it is the Omega Sanction does and does not do.)

How about an arts credit listing (who drew which pages)?

Even though I probably won’t be reading FC forever and am trying to keep relatively spoiler free (though of course I know of at least 2 characters that “died”), I have one question which actually may not have been answered in the comics themselves yet: What’s going on with the Bruce Wayne situation? I assume that the world does not know Batman is dead thus The Battle for the Cowl in which a secret replacement is chosen. But what about Bruce Wayne? Is Bruce dead with public acknowledgment and funeral? Missing? Gone to Europe? That’s about all I’m curious about even though I think Batman/Bruce Wayne being dead is stupid.

What finally caused the Justifiers to be released from Darkseid’s control? Luthor? Metron’s sigil being placed on Earth by Ray?

Barry Allen releases Iris from the control of anti-life by kissing her. How exactly did this work? Does the antidote to anti-life reside within Barry Allen? The Speed Force? is it love?

The Eagle Host of the Pax Dei shows up at the end of Final Crisis for the showdown with the Dark Monitor. Was their appearance foreshadowed anywhere, or were they just included to drive home Morrison’s literal usage of a Deus Ex Machina?

Was the fire that Superman found in Metron’s chair some version of the Worlogog from his JLA run?

Who was that ape man that was imprisoned with Nix Uotan and the rubicks cube solver (Metron?) in Darkseid’s lair?

What role was the Spector and the Radiant playing at the end?

What was up with Renee Montoya? I understand that Revelations took place around the gap between issues 3 and 4 of the main series (since we see “evil winning” during that series), but wasn’t she recruited by Checkmate before then, and still hanging out with them after?

Also: Submit and Resist (since I forget which is which). The one with Black Lightning is extremely simple to place, but the one with Mr. Terrific is pretty confusing in regards to the main series.

Why were people being “frozen” or whatever was happening with everyone that wasn’t Superman or Supergirl during Final Crisis #7?

What did Iman say in Final Crisis #7? In fact, how about translations for all the non-english dialogue?

What did Ray drawing the Metron symbol on Earth really accomplish?

Is Dan Turpin dead?

What exactly happened to Checkmate, I guess some of the heroes ended up on Earth-51, while others (Mister Terrific and the Hawks died?

Are Ogama and Solomon the same Monitor? Should we just not bring up Countdown in this FAQ?

Is Mandrakk the original Monitor from COIE?

The whole attack on John Stewart in FC#1 could use some clarification, the art didn’t do a good job of conveying the action. I guess Kraken (with Granny inside her) made herself look like Hal Jordan, created the laughing monkey to distract the other GL, then attacked John. John was able to get off a punch, which left the impression of his ring in Kraken’s hand? Even though in the panel right before we see John’s right hand without a ring on it? I’m not even sure this is really a question anymore.

Man, Resist opens up so many questions re: timing it’s probably going to be retconned out as not having actually happened. How did Mr. Terrific manage to be in Antarctica AND the Castle at the same time? Why was Amanda Waller (who got fired from Checkmate) show up at the Castle? When did Snapper Carr teleport to the JLA satellite – before the League got there, or after? What happened to Enslaved Firehawk, while we’re at it?

Shame, because Resist was the only Final Crisis thingy I unreservedly loved.

I think any good FAQ should have an attempt to place all the tie-ins with respect to the main series. Some are obvious, like Batman 682-83, but others are a bit iffier, such as Revelations.

So is Vandal Savage Cain, or was Cain hiding out in Vandal Savage, or what? I don’t quite understand his situation.

Does Final Crisis: Resist fit into the greater Final Crisis framework at all?

What was the panel that Morrison said DC asked him to add in Final Crisis 7?

So, by Wally West believing that the Black Flash and the Black Racer are in fact the same entity, is Grant Morrison claiming that every embodiment of death is just a different version of the same destroyer god? How about Death from the Endless? …actually, there is no way for you to answer this question unless you are Grant Morrison, so…forget it.

“I assume that the world does not know Batman is dead thus The Battle for the Cowl in which a secret replacement is chosen. But what about Bruce Wayne?”

Detective 852 picks up that particular thread, FWIW. Although, like a lot of these Batman-related questions, I suspect we’re not going to know the real answer until the main story picks up in a couple of months.

Who was the character with the monkey hands with Metron in a wheelchair and the guardian?

Wasn’t Anthro alive in the DCU? How’s it possible that he died as an old man in prehistory? Or is it another Anthro from a different dimension?

What happened with the Spectre and the spirit of hope? When did Mandrakk defeated them? Was it supposed to happen in Revelations?

Is Mr. Terrific dead?

How exactly did Darkseid’d death worked? Batman killed him, but later Flash and the omega rays over-kill him?

It’s not exactly Final Crisis, but is a Crisis tie-in: In the two-part episode just after Rip, in Batman’s flashback, the original Kate Kane appears, is she supposed to be a) just a dellusion, b) the same Rucka’s Kate Kane, c) a parallel Kate Kane, d) nothing. It was an error that slipped through the cracks?

What happened to Scott Free and Barda, by the way? Is he dead?

What I need is a box score. Who is dead? Who is new? How many Earths are there? Has the past been changed? Etc.

I don’t quite follow Superman Beyond. Could you explain the monitors story to me, please? As I understand, in the beginning there was one monitor, then the imperfection, then parallel earths and the bleed, no? So the monitor created that metallic superman, am I right? So, after that, how did the monitors became a little race (compairing it with the original one), and who was the one that got corrupted and why? That one was the one that get locked behind that door? Then what happened with the other monitor, the one that betrayed Nix Uotan?

And who is the one monitor from the crisis on infinite earths, then?

Aquaman returns in his kingdom’s time of need. Was this a plot point that had been hinted at in some other comic, or was Morrison just making the obvious King Arthur parallel?

Also- could you explain Superman Beyond to me? I really didn’t get it, but I can see how important it is to the Final Crisis story.

I agree with The Mutt…

I think a list of what order to read Final Crisis and all of its tie ins would be extremely helpful. I was very, very confused and would like to re-read the series.

A timeline would be helpful placing everything. I mean, I’m still not sure if the current Justice Leage of America arc takes place during or after FC. In it, Dr Light is dead, urned into a candle. But Batman is called Bruce by Wonder Woman.

Also, what was up with teh alternate earth Nazi Supergirl from issue one. She just kinda showed up out of nowhere and was forgoten about until her body was seen in issue 6. Was that ever explaned at all how she got to the main DC earth, what killed her, ect.?

Omar Karindu, back from an Internet Thogal ritual

February 3, 2009 at 3:33 pm

I’ve also started a forum thread for this sort of thing, and I’d be obnoxiously happy to drop some of my own answers. And by that I mean very much my answers, not anyone else’s and not the Word of God or the words of Morrison or Brian’s eventual (probably infinitely better written) FAQ.

Two questions – Morrison mentioned in his “exit interview” on Newsarama that “Apart from one scene at the end, which I included at DC’s request, and contrary to online rumours, there were no rewrites on Final Crisis.”
Was that the Aquaman scene he alludes to- seemed pretty random, and a good way for DC to never have to publish “Aquaman: Rebirth”.

Also, what were they doing to Overman’s cousin? She was being experimented on by Checkmate?

Ok so in FC:Resist we see the OMACs activated and whooping ass, but in FC:6 there’s hardly any mention of them at all and it seems like checkmate and Mr. Terrific are in a tough spot yet again! So how do the events of FC: Resist tie in?

How was Wonder Woman saved by Frankenstein? Also how did her “binding” Darkseid with her lasso free the three billion people who were under his sway>

After reading Grant Morrison’s intended reading order (which even he messed up!), I am only confused about three things:

1) the way the happy ending came about, and what it actually means about the “Earth” where the mainstream DCU stories will be set.

Namely: Did the DCU successfully evacuate to a parallel world, leaving New Earth ruined in Darkseid’s wake, or did they manage to restore New Earth itself when Superman wished for a happy ending?

I took it that Checkmate’s alternate-Earth escape hatch “Black Gambit” failed when the graviton bridge collapsed under the Atoms, and that only a handful of Command-D/Bludhaven refugees were successfully transferred, along with the Super Young Team. The abandoned Earth-51 therefore became a new Great Disaster Kirbyverse complete with Kamandi, Forever People and the reborn New Gods. In this reading, New Earth itself was rescued by Superman’s wish. But if that’s the case, why the freezer pops full of DCU survivors?

But in a different reading, the Monitors in their epilogue spoke of a black hole at the base of creation, where Darkseid fell through into void. Since New Earth WAS the base of Creation in the new multiverse, and it was sunk under the weight of Darkseid’s personal singularity, that makes it sound like New Earth was indeed left ravaged in Darkseid’s wake, and Superman’s wish was to make a new home for the survivors of the DCU elsewhere in the multiverse. Hence the freezer pops. But if that’s the case, then where is the new Kirby-world they showed us?

Add to that the confusing use of both “New Earth” and “Earth-0″ in the script, and I need some cliff notes!
Is Earth-0 just what we’re calling New earth after Final Crisis, or are they separate places?
Whatever it’s called, do DC Comics still take place on the world once known as “New Earth,” or did we just get a change of address notice?

2) Where was this Sonny Sumo from?

The talk about him being from a parralel universe confused me. Was this, somehow, the Earth-51 Sonny who escaped back into New Earth after his world’s great disaster? Or was this the original Kirby Sonny who had escaped back to the present from his medieval Omega Sanction back in the original Forever People?

3) The generations, and family connections, of the Monitors
We had the original COIE Monitor.
Then we had a reconstituted “race” of Monitors after 52, around whom narratives “crystallized,” giving them individuality.

We also have the mythological Monitors:
-Dax Novu (is HE meant to be the original COIE Monitor?), and
-Mandrakk (apparently the shadow side of Dax Novu, so are they BOTH aspects of the original COIE Monitor?)

In the 52 generation, we have:
-Prime Monitor Tahoteh (Is HE the original COIE Monitor?! What Earth does he monitor?)
-Monitor Ogama (He’s bad, and in league with Mandrakk. Is he “Bob?” What Earth does he monitor?)
-Nix Uotan (Earth-51. Exiled to New Earth/Earth-0. The “son” of Mandrakk…? If so, then also of Dax Novu?!)
-Weeja Dell (His main squeeze. What Earth does she monitor?)
-Zillo Valla (the vampire Monitress. What Earth does she Monitor?)

But the big question is the relationship between our original COIE Monitor, and the Dax/Mandrakk Monitors. Is the Mandrakk reveal a bigger deal than it seemed, because he was actually the original Monitor from 1985?

Who killed Hawkman and Hawkgirl?
Does this mean there are no more Hawks in the DCU?

If Bruce Wayne was put through the “Omega” Experience when he was shot by Darkseid’s rays, who was the body that Superman was holding. Apparently, the rays make a person live the darkest moments of their lives as they could have been. People are physically transferred to these events and it looks like they disappear. The events are supposed to be so bad that they wind up dying. There was a body left behind: who was it? Bruce Wayne apparently survived this: how?

On another subject:

Why did Barry have to return? Was he outrunning the god-of-death into Darkseid and that is how the big bad is defeated? I thought Batman shot him with a hyper-time-bullet or something? Or did Wonder Woman bind Darkseid and the magic lasso took him out? I don’t understand why it had to be Barry, AND how Darkseid actually died.

The original Crisis was about condensing infinite worlds into one.

Infinite Crisis was about expanding the amount of worlds into at least 52.

What was Final Crisis’ overarching story about? Was it to end the works of Jack Kirby in the DCU? Did it expand or condense the amount of worlds in the multi-verse?

How did Black Lightning know the sigil that he showed to the Tattooed Man (who showed it to the Ray, who put it on the Earth)?

i just read to try not to repeat questions. Lots of people seem to share my Mandrakk confusion.
Morrison has a history of fiction about fiction. The limbo in Superman Beyond seems to be the same one from Animal Man. That being said, do the monitors represent writers? Is Mandrakk a “dark writer” writing the end to everything, but since Superman is so pure he is able to defy the writer and make it a happy ending?

They say that Frankenstein was important because he was immune to Morticoccus, a disease that steals super-powers. But no one seemed to have lost their powers at all.

How can Catwoman be a justifier when it took her “months” to recover from Hush taking her heart, even though “Heart of Hush” is directly before R.I.P?

Dr. Light is killed during Final Crisis. How can his remains be central to what seems like a pre-crisis JLA arc?

Did the Supermen and the GL Corps literally rebuild the earth? How is that possible?

Where Green Arrow and Black Canary supposed to have died?

When Darkseid fell through time, did he land during or around Infinite Crisis? That would account for 7 Soldiers and with the Dark Side Club being on earth for two years and make some sense with countdown.

When did Boss Dark Side die? Did i miss it?

How exactly did Barry Allen return to life?

Are Manos and Menos dead?

Why is Mirror Master working for Libra? In Rogues Revenge he’s dead set against it.

What the hell is Command D?

Why does everyone act like they barely know the New Gods? Some of them were JLA members.

When and why was Earth 51 destroyed? Was that in countdown?

Are the monitors messed up because story has entered their world? Zillo Valla says “Time has entered our timeless world. Beginnings and Endings.”

Why did Anthro get transported to Kamandi’s world? Why was it never touched on after issue 1?

Just explain everything with Superyoung Team. They confuse me.

Did Nix Uotan ever find the “Magic word that would take him home?” What was it?

Why is Bludhaven around? Didn’t Monarch turn it into a crater?

How is Superman keeping Lois’ heart beating with heat vision?

Mary Marvel infected Wonder Woman with some kind of disease. Was that Morticoccus?

“Darkseid is sitting at the center of a personal singularity.” Okay….that means what?

How did the GL Corps wind up in the bleed in issue 6?

Can the panels in issue 7 be put into a chronological order?

So are the New Gods on Earth 51?

OKay after re-reading some teases and interviews this is what I need to know:

1) DC #0, how does that show Darkseid falling through the Multiverse? I mean honestly, unless you read that somewhere else in a Morrison interview, how were supposed to know that?

2) All this hype about Libra, yet nothing explains (a) how he was immune to the Spectre? (b) There were interviews where Grant said “What’s going on under mask will be revealed (ALL STAR GRANT MORRISON I: Final Crisis, Comic Book Resources, April 15, 2008)” yet we get some origin that seemed rushed, and not in the main series nonetheless. Does that mean there was a a GRANDER scheme or idea for him? I mean what about that JLA #21 reference of him being an alien warlord?

3) THose comics with the SIGHTINGS were supposed to have a connection somehow right? in “DC Nation” #110 thats what they said, yet I think only one was tied in.

4) What about all that information the FInal Crisis scrap book provided?

5) Granny Goodness was in a fat black lady, then a green lantern, and then back in a black lady right?

6) What happened to Infinity Man? Where does he fit into all this? And the SOurce, has a personality in DOtNG but none in FC?

7) Gog of the 3rd world had no influence in FC? Why not?

8) What about all the other gods? Why weren’t they involved?

9) That Aquaman scene seem to come from nowhere, why?

10) All this hype about Barry Allen coming back, yet all he really did was runaway from the Black Racer. And that is the grand re-entrance that will displace Wally? Please tell me there was supposed to be more?

11) How is this what Grant said “The final fate of the multiverse”? It seemed like just another Darkseid story.

12) Wasn’t the first page supposed to have Anthro and the last page have Kamandi? What happened there?

13) If there was a war in heaven, and evil won, how/why did Darkseid fall from heaven? Does that mean then that good really won? Or is his defeat in FC #7 the event that made him fall to begin with and heaven was on Earth where he was reborn after Orion killed him a 2nd time…

14) What exactly is the Anti-Monitor’s connection then to the Monitors?

Will this really be the “final” crisis? At least for the next year or so?

I have two very straight and simple question:

1) What happened to the New Gods and the Forever People of New Genesis? Why couldn’t or didn’t they appear in the main narrative? Why was it that Darkseid and all of his cast/minions (i.e. Kalibak, Granny Goodness, Desaad, etc.) were are able to inhabit host bodies, but the audience never saw the New Gods of the ‘Fifth World’?

2) What was the role of Mister Miracle in Final Crisis? If he could overcome the Omega Sanction placed on him in ‘Seven Soldiers: Mister Miracle’ Miniseries, presumably as a result of discovering the Life-Equation/ the ‘Source’, then what need would Mister Miracle have for Metron’s symbol?

I only ask because in the Final Crisis Skectchbook, there were a ton of illustrations of the New Gods, and then the only time we get to see them is in a single panel in the last issue.

Related to the Final Crisis sketchbook, what was the point of devoting it almost entirely to characters that never actually appeared or were alluded to in the series itself, such as the redesigned versions of Desaad, Granny Goodness and the Forever People (like Big Bear with a Darkseid T-Shirt,) not to mention the Japanese heroes like Ultimon, Cosmo Racer, Boss Bosozuko, Hammersuit Zero-X and basically anybody in this book that wasn’t Mister Miracle, Darkseid, Turpin, Libra, or the Super Young Team?

I mean, were these character supposed to be featured at one point, and Morrison had to write them out, or did he just sell a book largely consisting of sketches and biographies for characters he never actually intended on using?

Did the GLs spend the better part of the second half of the series perpetually flying towards Earth, only to be summoned at the end by Nix Uoton?

I agree with a who’s who of the monitors is needed.

I also don’t see how Frankenstein was able to heal WW. By having her get bitten by a huge dog?

Why is it that when Batman shot Darkseid, the bullet didn’t go back in time? Was it because when Darkseid was shown shooting the gun, it was at the Flashes? Did the Flashes send the bullet through time and accidentally kill Orion?

The scene in #1 with Kamandi and Anthro (whose identity I only know because of the internet) still needs to be explained to me.

I concur with the artist breakdown.

Not that I expect an answer from this, but I would like to know how much of the story was changed in progress (which has to have happened; see @Sylar Wesker #12) as well as how much is attributed to Jones leaving the book.

Just some basic:

So Libra was just the one-shot Libra villian from an old Justice League issue? Did we get any clarification of where he was during that time or was working on being reconstituted the whole time? How exactly did he fit with any idea of balance when Darkseid seemed to want total victory for evil? What important role did Libra have other than distracting people a bit while Darkseid and friends got reconstituted in human bodies?

So I am right in the Human Flame doing nothing after getting Martian Manhunter killed?

Do we have any indication of time/history changing or should we just see this as a point in history where bad things happened but everything got restored to normal afterwards?

I feel like the delay in issues really killed my ability to follow what was going on besides the general themes and general plot. I’m going to read everything sequentially with the tie-ins included in one sitting once I get the time.

Kudos, Brian, for tackling this project.
I can’t think of any questions that haven’t been covered above, but perhaps it would be best if this was reorganized into a series of annotations, being sure to touch on as many of these points as possible? An exhaustive FAQ would be one thing, but organized into chronological order might make it easier to digest.

What happened to Batman?
What happened to Darkseid?
Who or what was Libra?
Why did Superman “sing” some note?
What is the Omega Sanction?
What’s going on with the monitors? Why were they like vampires? Where do you find information about them? The last time I saw them, they were fighting Monarch (Captain Atom)??? I don’t understand anything about Superman Beyond.
What is the bleed? Where is Captain Atom?
What did Batman mean when he said to Kraken “he has a nice punch” or something like that in the beggining of Final Crisis?
What did just happen with Vandal Savage history? He was a cromagnon man. Now is something related with the bible?
What finnaly happened with the New Gods?

And above everything: Is there a “final” COHERENT read order with ties-in? I mean, I still don’t know what happened with Aquaman, Wonder Woman, the Atoms, and half the DCU…

Thanks!

“Detective 852 picks up that particular thread, FWIW. Although, like a lot of these Batman-related questions, I suspect we’re not going to know the real answer until the main story picks up in a couple of months.”

Ah, OK. Thanks, Stephen.

Are ALL of the Monitors parasites, or just a few of them? It seemed like it was just a really small group that was feeding off of the Multiverse in Superman Beyond.

I just read that Mary Marvel was posessed by Desaad. Did anybody catch that? and if we’re blaming her “dark streak” on Desaad, how do you explain countdown, and the current JSA arc?

A timeline / reading order would really help -I only read the main series and it didn’t make a lick of sense…

[...] I could write these down, but instead I’ll direct you to The Final Crisis FAQ project over at Comics Should Be Good. They seem to be doing a better job of [...]

Why was Black Adam so weak against evil Mary Marvel and how could his gods be ‘far away’ like he stated and why would that even matter?

Did Final Crisis happen at the same time as Reign in Hell or is there another reason the DCU magic users weren’t seen much (if at all) during FC?

1-Who is the hodded monkey-shape guy who talks to Nix Uotan in #5? Perhaps the type-writing monkey who wrote the Book Of Limbo?
2-In #7, Montoya is travelling through the Multiverse to collect the Supermen. Does that mean that the earth Ultima Thule was abandoned on – at the end of Superman Beyond 2 – is Earth-51 (where is recovered by Montoya)?
3- What’s the PRECISE timeline of Kamandi? In #1, Anthro sees him through a Miracle Machine graffiti – induced hallucination (doesn’t he?). But in #2, He is among the imprisoned guys in Bludhaven, and in #7 he makes some strange comments about a vision he had in a Bunker In addition: which vision is he talking about?. Which earth does Kamandi originally come from?

Is Earth 51 the Earth where all the Kirby 70s DC Comics (Fourth World, Kamandi, OMAC) happened ?

Is Final Crisis the first appearance of the god killing radion?
How was Wonder Woman turned to thralldom?

Tom Fitzpatrick

February 4, 2009 at 6:21 am

Lord have mercy, so many questions, so little time.
I pity the fool who tackles this project, s/he has their work cut out for them for the next decade or so. ;-)

Couldn’t we all just enjoy FC for just the story (and perhaps the art as well) and not nitpick it apart?

Tom Fitzpatrick wrote: ‘Couldn’t we all just enjoy FC for just the story (and perhaps the art as well) and not nitpick it apart?’

I think the clue is in your question. It’s not nitpicking, it’s trying to work out what the heck the story was!

When the anti-life equation was first unleashed on Earth’s communications networks, the series of tubes, etc., what exactly determined who fell to it and who didn’t? Was it pure chance? Making a saving throw against willpower? (If simply being heavily-networked made you vulnerable, for example, you’d think Oracle and Checkmate would be the first to go, not the last.)

(Oh, and speaking of that, what happened with Sasha Bordeaux after the Crisis was over?)

We see later that a few people (and apparently *only* a *very* few, like Nix Uotan) were completely “immune” to anti-life, so that’s not it.

I’d like to echo the previous question(s) about the meeting between Anthro and Kamandi in issue #1.

Also, Morrison said in a pre-Final Crisis interview that his story would explain what the red skies were that appear during every DCU crisis. Was this explanation given in Final Crisis, and if so, what was it?

Wow…thank you for attempting this; I share the confusion on most of these, and here are a few more (sometimes slight variations on prior ones) that are confusing the heck out of me:

1) At the end of the story, have the Monitors ceased to exist or have they all been changed into humans like Nix Uotan? If they’re all humans, I’m not sure why Weeja Dell would be acting like she was saying a Final Goodbye to Nix Uotan. Is Nix Uotan a human now, or does he still have the Vykin-like identity and powers?

2) How does Morrison’s conception of the Monitors fit in with their very-different portrayal in Countdown?

3) How does Morrison’s conception of the Monitors address the Anti-Monitor? You could say he’s just the Monitor of the anti-matter universe, but that doesn’t seem to fit in the Earths 0-51 scheme and it doesn’t seem likely that the other Monitors would accept one in their ranks whose goal was to destroy the rest of the Orrery. Was he erased from existence/turned into a human at the end as well? If so, how does that square with him being the power source for the Black Lanterns?

And most importantly…
4) Quoting from DC Universe 0, by Morrison and Johns (meaning that here we’re not talking about “it’ll set the direction of the DCU for years to come” marketing hype, we’re talking about in-story words by Final Crisis’ own author or at least written by Johns with Morrison’s presumed consent): “The first Crisis brought death to nearly all of creation. One lone universe was spared. A second crisis witnessed the resurrection of 52 new parallel universes. And so begins the Final chapter in the saga of the multiple earths. The Final Crisis.” Building off of Rob’s question about the overall multiple-earths story, how was this “the Final chapter in the saga of the multiple earths”? It must be in there somewhere and I’m just not finding it in the story, but how is the multiverse status quo different after Final Crisis than before it? You could maybe point to the removal of the Monitors (and a side question on that: if the Monitors are gone and their goal is to prevent an overabundance of travel between universes because that could cause another Crisis, as said in Countdown, wouldn’t their absence mean that the multiverse is now in imminent danger of collapse?) but, since the Monitors were only introduced as part of the buildup to Final Crisis, I have a hard time seeing their absence as a result of Final Crisis to be a real change in the status quo. It doesn’t really seem like it changed anything.

Francisco Gonzalez

February 4, 2009 at 9:39 am

Issue 1: Tatooedman takes Turpin to the Dark Side Club and later is part of the resistance. What’s his relation to Darkseid???? Kamandi comes (and goes) to Anthro for the weapon that Metron gave him against the gods. What was the point of this???? What does Kamandi does with it????

Submit: How did Black Lightning got the drawing of Metron’s mark????

Superman Beyond 2: ?????????? Arobot Superman with the conscience of the real one???? The Tomb????

Issue 6: Lord Eye. Is this just a gratuitous remaking of Kirby’s OMAC or it did have any importance? A cool re-design of Darkseid just to show him here wearing jeans and a fat belly? How was Wonder Woman liberated?

Issue 7: The whole issue. Lord Eye and the Atoms. The Hawks. Where and why is Mr. Terrific. Was the Earth shrunk, transported or re-made???? Whose corpse was Superman carring if Batman is in the past????

Could you please provide the current status of the of those who took part or where effected by Final Crisis, specifically who at the end of this crisis is dead, missing, incapacitated, sent to a parallel world, etc . . .

Can somebody explain how the hell Superman was keeping Lois alive with his vision powers? I know it was Grant’s wafer-thin justification for keeping him out of the conflict until the climax, but HOW exactly did that work?

How are readers who only read “Final Crisis” (and none of the spinoffs) supposed to know who Mandrakk was when he appeared on the last issue?

I would also like to know who Libra was. And if your answer is “the Anti-life equation personified,” then I want a better one. What the heck does that mean exactly and how did it happen?

I think I know the answer the to this, and I’m not sure it matters in the grand scheme of things, but I’d like to know exactly when that Anthro meets Kamandi scene was supposed to be taking place.

And for that matter, is Anthro’s world just the past of Earth 0 (or whatever the regular DC universe earth is called), or is it another universe entirely? Is Kamandi from the future of Earth 0 or is he in a different universe entirely. And how does if they’re all from different universes, how does it make sense that they all would meet up? These things aren’t really necessary for understanding the series, but I’m curious as to how they would all line up.

Ah, here’re some more:

Did the Zoo Crew actually do anything in that final showdown? Would the result have been the same if Nix hadn’t summoned them?

Also, why were Zauriel and the Pax Dei summoned? I don’t see them actually doing anything on panel. Would the end result have been the same if they hadn’t shown up? Was it just an intimidation thing?

Here’s another: is there any significance to the specific universes that each monitor supposedly monitored? For example, I’ve read some people argue that some monitor and his monitored earth was supposed to be a comment on Frank Miller’s affect on the DC universe. Any truth to this? Are there any other monitors that offer some kind of meta comment like this? For example, was Weeja Dell supposed to be the monitor of the Marvel Universe? Is her final conversation with Nix supposed to be some kind of meta conversation between the Big Two?

The Kize said:
“I’d like to echo the previous question(s) about the meeting between Anthro and Kamandi in issue #1.

Also, Morrison said in a pre-Final Crisis interview that his story would explain what the red skies were that appear during every DCU crisis. Was this explanation given in Final Crisis, and if so, what was it?”

Hey! That I understand. It was just “the bleed”.

All right, how about this one:
“Final Crisis” is supposedly the culmination of a chain of events that started way back when Jean Loring took a walk on Sue Dibny’s brain in “Identity Crisis,” isn’t it? That series ended with Batman unsure of how Jean was motivated to do the deed, wondering “Who profits?” Was it Eclipso, manipulating a new potential host? Was it Darkseid, able to direct a simple incident that led to the creation of 52 entire universes (as more fuel for Anti-Life perhaps?) It was through his eyes that Al Luthor saw an escape from the collapse of the Anti-Monitor, problem being it ran through Apokalips, and decided better to hide in the crystal universe. Can all these event series of the past five years be tied together with Darkseid as the prime mover? Way back in COIE, He did choose not to take part in the battles, perhaps realizing an opportunity for a long-range plan.

What the hell is on Earth-1? The original Silver versions of the DCU?

Hey MarkMc, good one!

Are the Super Young Team the “Forever People of the 5th World”?

I’m interested in an examination of every Final Crisis plot point that was lifted by Countdown. For instance:

* Mary Marvel turns evil… because of Darkseid!
* There are 52 Monitors and they are evolving at a rapid rate!
* Orion: Killed by Darkseid!
* Earth-51: Destroyed, then turned into Kamandi-world!
* A war devastates Apokalypse!
* There is an evil Monitor!

It’s possible that Morrison actually revised bits of Final Crisis/Superman Beyond to reflect Countdown, but I’m sure most of it was the other way around.

I’ll echo any and all of the previous comments requesting both a coherent reading sequence of all FC-related books and a scorecard which lets us know which players are currently alive, dead, time travelling, in limbo, etc.

This whole thing has made my head hurt.

I’d also join in the call for a coherent reading sequence for FC #7. I think most of my difficulties in deciphering the plot of that issue came from trying to piece together the chronology.

I totally forgot, MarkMc is right. I remember Grant at last year’s NYCC saying that this would tie into all the Crisis events. Now don’t tell me I am too stupid to understand his “genius” (because there are more genius things out there that I am sure his drones will never comprehend that I can, like 1984) but I think his imagination was larger than the book space he was given.

I want to know what did MArk Waid know? I am having difficulty quoting m source exactly, but I do recall at like issue #2 he was interviewed and said soemthing like “Be patient about FInal Crisis. Grant told me what he has planned. Wait and see.”

What did MArk know? That proves that Grant can tell a narrative better in summary than in the actual issues he writes.

The closest source I can cite for that interview was from this:

I am actually loving the series and think that Morrison has a lot planned to blow us away. I read an interview with Mark Waid and he said that when everyone is done reading the Final Crisis thier opinions will totally change for the better.

As far as the art, i agree with TomO. That issue of Justice League would fit pretty seemlessly into this book and i expect it will stand tall.
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Did Darkseid use the bullet that Batman shot at him to fire back in time to shoot Orion (I’m guessing yes—was this what Superman meant when he told Darkseid it was suicide? That firing the bullet into the past would guarantee that Batman would find it and would then use it against him? And if so, could Darkseid have chosen not to fire the bullet, and what would the results of that decision have been?)? So Darkseid got the bullet from Batman, and Batman got the bullet from Darkseid (from the past)? So where did the bullet come from in the first place? What about the gun? Did Batman build the gun that Darkseid eventually fired?

Why was Barry Allen necessary? If Darkseid was dying, wouldn’t the Black Racer have come after him even if the Flash hadn’t led him there (Batman and Superman found Darkseid, but Death couldn’t?)? And why would the Black Racer stop chasing Barry just because Darkseid got in the way? Wouldn’t Death continue after Barry once Darkseid was dispatched?

How did the Japanese heroes get to that final battle with all the Supermen? And why are they there at all? What purpose do they serve in that final battle? They’re not supposed to be the Forever People from the 5th world summoned by Nix are they? The Japanese heroes actually show up before Nix summons the Forever people with the word, “Taaru.”

What is the significance of the Green Lantern cymbal monkey? Whose ring created it and what is it doing there?

In issue two, when Kraken momentarily regains control of her mind, she says “Tell them our weapons don’t work.” Who is “them” and what weapons is she talking about? I can’t think of any failing weapons being significant to the plot of this story.

How does it make sense that Kamandi is in the cages in Comand D saying “They’re making us slaves” in issue two? How did he get there? Isn’t he from the future? Is Morrison writing the origin of Kamandi here? Is it consistent with the old Kamandi stories?

How is it that in the final issue, we see Wonder Woman crush the mask she’d been wearing to dust, but in another panel, the mask is being displayed in the JLA trophy room?

According to his latest interview with Newsarama, Morrison’s explanation for Kamandi appearing throughout the series was that Nix Uotan was “copy-pasting” time periods from other universes to make up the history of Earth-51. This in turn caused Kamandi’s consciousness to materialize throughout the timeline.

How anyone was supposed to infer this from the information presented on page is another question entirely.

At what point chronologically did Wonder Woman put the kids in freezer pops. Was that before or after she smashed her mask and bound darkseid…

Do you think Morrison left some of the minor plot points (e.g. what the Hawks and Atoms were up to) vague intentionally because part of the Final Crisis reading experience was that the reader creates his own version of the story to go with what’s on the page?

I’m not trying to excuse unclear storytelling, just thinking about how Morrison likes to experiment with comic books as a storytelling devices (not just stories themselves) and has done stories in which the reader interacts with the pages (e.g. Zatanna putting her hand out to the reader, Morrison addressing the audience in Animal Man). Having the reader draw his or her own conclusions may be a way to further immerse onesself a fictional universe.

Thanks so much Brian for attempting to do this, it’s a shame that someone HAS to, and that it was so incoherent to so many, including me.

At the risk of repeating a question (I tried to read as many up there already), how were the Justifiers “recruited”? Were they “possessed” and then they just worked together? Was that Elasti-Girl or Giganta?

Overgirl, according to FC: Secret Files, was the first successful *experiment* using genetic material from Overman, but then is referenced as his cousin, making her seem more like an alternate Kara Zor-El than “Kon-El”. Which is it?

I never picked up Superman Beyond, I just thought I’d actually be able to know what was going on in the series itself, I guess I was wrong, but how did that “Legion of Supermen” happen, how was Earth-5 Captain Marvel recruited etc.

With regard to Countdown, I get the Monitors connection, and the anti-life thing, but was there supposed to be anything further with Harley and Holly? What happened with Pied Piper?

Did Barry Allen never actually die if he became part of the Speed Force, and either way, how is that explained anyway? I never understood how if Barry was “dead” but Wally and Family lived there and grew up, and the same with Bart?

Finally, and I don’t really expect an answer to this, but what is Morrison’s beef with the whole BDSM gear stuff … I mean why did he feel that gear should be attributed to all things evil? Darker than “the norm” I can understand, but it offends me if it’s put out as evil. Not to mention that Desaad was supposed to wear high heels under his robe, it’s like he’s saying cross dressers are deviant or just weird enough for Darkseid kind of thing.

Thanks for your time!!!!

In Final Crisis #1, it’s said that Nix Uotan’s negligence is responsible for the loss of Earth 51, and Uotan responds that he “arrived too late to save Earth. There was sabotage, I swear.” A couple of pages later, Zillo Valla says “Ogama fears we have become contaminated during contact with the obscure lifeforms that grow within the workings of the orrery.”

In Final Crisis #7, Nix Uotan says “And here: the plan I used to reconstruct Earth 51, destroyed by Ogama’s treachery.”

I think these are the only references to “Ogama” or “Earth 51″ in Final Crisis, even though these details seem kinda important to Uotan’s plotline. So who is Ogama? What happened to Earth 51? What was Uotan’s supposed negligence? And what treachery of Ogama’s led to the destruction of Earth 51? And why should any of this make a lick of sense?

Whose hairy hands were handling the drawings (of Weeja Dell and the Nazi Superman) at the end of Final Crisis #5?

Oh yeah, one last thing, when the Monitors first appeared way back when now, we saw in the center, an Anti-Monitor. Is that THE Anti-Monitor, and if so, how was it that he was just there and the other Monitors didn’t care, and allowed him to be exploited for use by Sinestro, and then is the heart of the Black Lantern? If Harlequin/ Joker’s Daughter was such an aberration needed to be killed, wouldn’t A-M’s departure figure in as pretty big too? Is Blackest Night really a Crisis sequel considering that we know now that two heroes who have died during two Crises are confirmed as Black Lanterns?

Sorry, for all of this, but I’m pretty heavy into DC Continuity, and FC has confused me. The original Multiverse wasn’t confusing. The Legion reboots weren’t confusing. This is! :(

The monkey-behind-the-typewriter’s hairy hands?

Did Trinity take place before Final Crisis? Is New Krypton after? In Teen Titans we see Wonder Girl in a new costume, and Tim leaving apparently due to R.I.P., but in Wonder Woman, she is seen in her prior costume? Does that mean ‘Olympians is before R.I.P; and thus before Final Crisis? It seems like all over the place!

I echo the requests for a reading order for FC tie-ins. And as I asked elsewhere in a similar vein, will the FC TPB, supposedly scheduled for release in April, be just a compilation of the 7 issues or will the other FC tie-in titles like “Rogue’s Revenge”, “Legion of Three Worlds”, “Superman Beyond”, etc. be included as well? Also, regarding the Cliff notes comments, should it be necessary to have Cliff notes next to a copy of “A Tale of Two Cities”, for instance, in order to enjoy & comprehend it? Barring grammatical, lingual, cultural & era-specific references, shouldn’t a work of fiction be fairly comprehensible to it’s target audience? While the Christian Bible is largely considered non-fiction & essentially historical, it has been updated & translated to attract a larger audience & thereby further it’s teachings, this is understandable. But is this necessary for a work of fiction with a largely established target audience? And finally, as I’ve also mentioned elsewhere, this ultimately seems like just an easy way for DC to side-step continuity problems by saying “Oh, that happened on Earth-# whatever.”, tout the commissioned work of a popular, talented (though, at times, over-hyped, incomprehensible & controversial) writer & make a quick buck in the process. Wasn’t the purpose of the now-defunct, but understandable “Hypertime” supposed to have dealt with continuity problems? I don’t have a problem with the existence of other Earths or continuity issues & never have in my 35-odd (some, VERY odd) years of reading comics. It’s fiction, fantasy, it shouldn’t always have to make absolutely perfect scientific sense to be enjoyable (though if it does, it’s a plus!), if that were the case, there would at least be a “real” Batman or even a Capt. America, but it SHOULD have a comprehensible progression of events that fans are able to understand with a minimum of confusion & without the need to buy every single tie-in title that MIGHT contain pertinent information. These formerly “special events” have ceased to be special anymore, with seemingly no other purpose than to try to out-sell or outdo the “other guy”, or the previous events that promised “long-lasting, far-reaching, reality-altering” events that are eventually scrapped by later writers at their convenience. Personally, I am just finding them more & more tiresome & often not worthy of the hype or the increasing prices, especially with the recent financial hardships being felt by most of us.

Final Crisis: Frequently Asked Questions:

Eh?
What just happened?

This might not ring a bell with anyone, and I wish I could give an issue number (I want to say 2 or 3, but I could be wrong – heck, it could have been in one of the tie-ins and I’m completely misremembering) but at one point fairly early on, I could swear there was a scene on the JLA satellite, and in the foreground, unseen by the characters in the scene, we see what appear to be shrunken heroes trapped in bottles. At the time, I remember thinking that was supposed to be an explanation of where the heroes who were missing at the time were, and that later we’d find out how they got there … Did I just imagine that, or was there some explanation?

Oh, and how did Batman escape while he was Darkseid’s minions’ prisoner? When I read it, I just chalked it up to “he’s Batman” and assumed a panel of him slipping his bonds was just implied, but from what I’ve seen online, that was actually explained somewhere. Could someone sum it up in a sentence or two?

Yes. Batman defeated Darseid’s minions by using his memories.

Where did Captain Marvel come from? Last I heard he was hanging in limbo doing the wizard in his white costume.

they’ll probably do a hardcover with a separate book of annotations or scripts or something. it’d be great if they cut-n-paste all the relevant pages from other books into one big fat FINAL CRISIS phonebook edition.

See BATMAN #682 and 683

S&M were using Batman’s brain as a template to program an army of unstoppable clone warriors, but the trauma of reliving Batman’s life caused them all to go mad and kill themselves. The Lump, a psychic construct in the form of Alfred inserted into Batman’s dream as their agent to control Batman, joined forces with him and attacked S&M, allowing Bats to escape.

Did anything actually change for the main DCU because of Final Crisis? (And Batman “dying” doesn’t count.)
Is it actually the “5th world,” even though all the New Gods are alive again?

Ooh, I can answer the Captain Marvel question: the one in FC came from Earth-5, as he’s the Earth-5 (essentially Earth-S pre-Crisis, so Fawcett-world) version of Superman.

Exactly what happened to the Monitors in the end? Ryan Frank already asked this, and Morrison’s exit interview answers part of his question, but as far as I can see leaves a lot still unclear.. Morrison says in his exit interview that “Monitor-Mind has worked through its own Ultimate Story and spared Nix Uotan to be its sole representative and interface with the Multiverse”. Does this imply (along with statements in the last issue like “make your peace” and “this really is the last day”) that the rest of the Monitors were destroyed? Or does it just imply (along with Nix’s mention of withdrawal in his speech to the Circle of Monitors) that the Monitors are cut off from interacting with the Multiverse but remain in existence? If they are destroyed then how does this happen? Do they destroy themselves (as Nix’s reference to what they have to sacrifice suggests, though how could the rest of the Monitors agree to go along with a suicidal plan?) or does the Monitor-Mind wipe them out? In either case, if they are all destroyed, then how can Nix Uotan say to Weeja Dell that Superman “wished only the best for all of us…He wished for a happy ending”? If the Monitors except for Nix are all destroyed it is surely not a happy ending for them. Genocide is not a happy ending! In either case it is not a happy ending even for Nix, as he loses Weeja for ever. Does this just imply that there are limits even to the Miracle Machine’s power so that it can provide a happy ending for others only at the cost of a bad ending for the Monitors? Is Nix’s last speech with Weeja meant to be a bit ironic?

Did Brian’s Final Crisis FAQ post answering these questions ever appear on the blog? Just curious (since I probably won’t be reading most of it anyway).

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