Comments on: A Year of Cool Comic Book Moments - Day 53

By: indy83

indy83 — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 08:08:37 +0000

Its says something like that:

Okay bastards, you gave me a lesson. Now its my turn!

By: entzauberung

entzauberung — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:02:08 +0000

Chr:

What are Wolverine saying in Polish there? Something with "school"?

By: chr

chr — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:45:15 +0000

Here is picture of Whedons homage:
http://dziadu-z-lasu.blogspot.com/2008/01/ostatnio-czytane-na-szybko.html

By: entzauberung

entzauberung — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:43:43 +0000

Re: profanity or not. I originally read this scene in the Swedish translation, where Wolverine calls the Hellfire club "pieces of shit". (They generally allowed a bit rougher language over here, especially for "tough guy" characters. When I many years later read the Claremont originals I really wondered who this "flamin' caper"-talkin' dude was supposed to be).

By: Dean

Dean — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:34:16 +0000

I think this is the moment that catapulted Logan to super-stardom.

Pretty much.

Woverine was a little creepy in early Claremont-Byrne issues. Reading them as a kid, I kept waiting for him to snap and become a bad guy. For example, his feelings towards Jean Grey came off as borderline stalker-ish. You kept for him to go totally "Single White Female" or something, so I was almost rooting for the bad guys against Wolverine.

This was his first "F*** Yeah!" moment. I totally turned around and started pulling for him the next issue. That change was always what made Wolverine special to me.

By: Alvin

Alvin — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:49:50 +0000

Hey! I forgot, no profanity needed. later!

By: Alvin

Alvin — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:47:09 +0000

What a great moment, I loved the X-Men but it wasn't until the All New All Different X-Men that I had favorites, Wolverine and Nightcrawler that was the ticket. another great John Byrne moment for myself anyway was in Namor #5 pg.14, there's an oil spill and Iron Man & Namor are swooping in and Reed Richards is in the water as a boom containing the spill, check it out I thought it was cool. later!

By: RichYan33

RichYan33 — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:07:00 +0000

My buddy and I loved Wolverine right from the begining. We knew from Wolvie's guest shot in Iron Fist that Byrne liked the character so when this happened we knew Wolverine was going to become a more pivotal character in the X-men. So THIS may have been my number one coolest moment in comics.

Had that book come out today it would have been colored so dark you'd never have been able to see what was going on in it.

By: Dalarsco

Dalarsco — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:48:45 +0000

Suckers makes sense. They think they killed him, so have now dropped their guard a bit. Like suckers.

By: Blackjak

Blackjak — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:38:22 +0000

Surely if Claremont had meant "fuckers" it would have been written "$@%&ers"?? "Suckers" works fine...

By: Snapper

Snapper — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:33:14 +0000

The classic Wolvie moments are great : D
But I'm so sick of the character. How is it that he appears in so many comics? When I was in school, all my friends and I preffered Nightcrawler. Or Iceman.
Sigh.

By: logomatic

logomatic — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:17:44 +0000

"crappy dialog shows like deadwood"?! You, sir or madame, are nuts. PS: It's "goddamn" Batman.

By: Capt USA

Capt USA — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:56:43 +0000

I don't see how cussing would have made that scene any cooler, unless you are an eight year old, or the typical retarded tv exec in control of crappy dialog shows like deadwood, who can't seem to realize that cuss words have the most impact the fewer times they are said, there really doesn't seem to be any reason to change the dialog on that scene. He isn't talking to anyone directly so cussing doesn't have much of an impact, and if he has above a high school education of any type (including real world experience) , then cussing just to cuss isn't something that most adults do. Yes I know in a world that considers jackass to be funny, that has the m-f batman running around (really? you have Batman cussing in a comic? great characterization, crappy writers should waste their time ruining bad characters you know like the Authority or Kickass or Punisher, not wasting our time on Batman)

By: Sam

Sam — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:48:56 +0000

Without dialogue? Doesn't "Now it's my turn!" actually make the cool moment?

Just to be contrary.

By: Sam

Sam — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:46:58 +0000

Right that it's not censorship, and I don't think a cuss word would have made the scene better anyway--a cool part of it is that Wolverine is so confident he's gonna get the Hellfire Club back. He doesn't need to blab about it, they're "suckers" for having messed with him. Restraint in art can be better. This is possibly the ultimate Wolverine moment. It's totally badass, but he's still the guy who ends up in the sewer, covered in crap.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:43:04 +0000

This was a great scene, and of course, one of the most important moments for the character. But by the time I read that comic (last year?), I had already realized that Wolverine didn't have an Australian accent and so it didn't go over as well with me as it could have.

I agree that it would have been cooler without dialogue. And I loved that scene from Astonishing.

By: Richard J. Marcej

Richard J. Marcej — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:13:32 +0000

"I think what he’s meaning is that censorship wouldn’t allow the line to have ever been put in there like that, so writing it in the first place wouldn’t have ever been an option. No point in doing something knowing the whole time it’s not going to be allowed. So it’s censorship in a sense, but not in the way you’re thinking."

- Yes, but does he know for a fact how Chris Claremont wanted to write the scene?

Using a term like censorship, because as he writes "How much cooler would that line have been..." doesn't support his argument.

Unless he knows for a fact, that Claremont (or any writer of mainstream comics at that time) originally wanted their characters to use particular language that the company and comics code wouldn't allow them to use, then it would only be conjecture on his part. But it WOULDN'T be censorship.

IMO, I think this scene would be just as effective if not moreso, with NO dialogue. The expression that Byrne gives Wolverine delivers the scene alone.

By: chad

chad — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:39:10 +0000

i remember that scene well for its part of my favorite x-men story . just the look in wolverines eyes and the shock when he first rises from the sewer is classic.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:30:13 +0000

I think what he's meaning is that censorship wouldn't allow the line to have ever been put in there like that, so writing it in the first place wouldn't have ever been an option. No point in doing something knowing the whole time it's not going to be allowed. So it's censorship in a sense, but not in the way you're thinking.

By: Richard J. Marcej

Richard J. Marcej — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:09:14 +0000

"I think this is the moment that catapulted Logan to superstardom."

- Well, this scene and the one that took place at Ka-Zar's hidden jungle.

"Censorship is so lame. How much cooler would that line have been if it was “Okay fuckers — You’ve taken yer best shot!”

- Um..., so you know for a FACT that that was going to be the original line of dialogue? Because unless it was, this isn't censorship.