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		<title>By: Cover Story &#124; Knifeyspoony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cover Story &#124; Knifeyspoony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 09:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Comic Con time, so here is a comic book related storyline. The image is an homage to the classic Fantastic Four #1. I&#8217;m writing this the night before getting up early to drive to Con. So, when you read this, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Comic Con time, so here is a comic book related storyline. The image is an homage to the classic Fantastic Four #1. I&#8217;m writing this the night before getting up early to drive to Con. So, when you read this, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Phantom Leap</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/02/26/comic-book-legends-revealed-196/comment-page-2/#comment-738883</link>
		<dc:creator>Phantom Leap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] could be successfully transferred to film, we&#8217;d be in business. See the image full size here, halfway down the page, where there&#8217;s also a comparison showing Jack Kirby&#8217;s original [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] could be successfully transferred to film, we&#8217;d be in business. See the image full size here, halfway down the page, where there&#8217;s also a comparison showing Jack Kirby&#8217;s original [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is it that nobody has commented how much better the Vince Colletta inked panel looks  (head missing and all) than the penciled page? Jack Kirby got a little crazy at times and this is a pretty good example of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is it that nobody has commented how much better the Vince Colletta inked panel looks  (head missing and all) than the penciled page? Jack Kirby got a little crazy at times and this is a pretty good example of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheri Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheri Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, Henry, and to all the others who agreed that the panel looked better the way Colletta inked it. Kirby drew action all the time but sometimes got carried away. Inkers like Vinnie, Sinnott and Stone helped make sense of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Henry, and to all the others who agreed that the panel looked better the way Colletta inked it. Kirby drew action all the time but sometimes got carried away. Inkers like Vinnie, Sinnott and Stone helped make sense of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Comics Should Be Good! @ Comic Book Resources &#187; Deleting Heads of Characters to Improve the Art</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comics Should Be Good! @ Comic Book Resources &#187; Deleting Heads of Characters to Improve the Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kirby’s pencils are a tangled mish-mash, thank God that he had Colletta to make sense of them. - Blog Commenter Henry Moreno (4/20/09) Comments [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Kirby’s pencils are a tangled mish-mash, thank God that he had Colletta to make sense of them. &#8211; Blog Commenter Henry Moreno (4/20/09) Comments [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Moreno</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/02/26/comic-book-legends-revealed-196/comment-page-2/#comment-716098</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Moreno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody who thinks the penciled version of that panel looks better than the one that Vince Colletta inked has no business commenting on art. Kirby&#039;s pencils are a tangled mish-mash, thank God that he had Colletta to make sense of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody who thinks the penciled version of that panel looks better than the one that Vince Colletta inked has no business commenting on art. Kirby&#8217;s pencils are a tangled mish-mash, thank God that he had Colletta to make sense of them.</p>
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		<title>By: RSDVD</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/02/26/comic-book-legends-revealed-196/comment-page-2/#comment-711047</link>
		<dc:creator>RSDVD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another, newer example of the Punisher book numbering is the recent Adam : Legend of the Blue Marvel series. It begins as #1 of 6 and the rest of the issues are numbered to 5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another, newer example of the Punisher book numbering is the recent Adam : Legend of the Blue Marvel series. It begins as #1 of 6 and the rest of the issues are numbered to 5.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Caputo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Caputo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: FF 1 cover. Stan has noted that he was very particular about covers and would often ask for changes both big and small. If one compares covers in many of the Masterworks and Essentials you&#039;ll see backgrounds and figures either added, deleted, simplified or changed in other ways. There were also occasions that Martin Goodman requested a change. Often other artists made the changes, usually whoever was in the office, but early on people like Production man Sol Brodsky made changes, later it might be John Romita, Marie Severin, Herb Trimpe or John Verpoorten.

The general consensus coming from people like Timely-Atlas expert Michael Vasallo and Mark Evanier (and I agree with them) is that George Klein inked the cover of FF # 1, as well as the interior and the cover and interior of FF # 2.

Nick Caputo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: FF 1 cover. Stan has noted that he was very particular about covers and would often ask for changes both big and small. If one compares covers in many of the Masterworks and Essentials you&#8217;ll see backgrounds and figures either added, deleted, simplified or changed in other ways. There were also occasions that Martin Goodman requested a change. Often other artists made the changes, usually whoever was in the office, but early on people like Production man Sol Brodsky made changes, later it might be John Romita, Marie Severin, Herb Trimpe or John Verpoorten.</p>
<p>The general consensus coming from people like Timely-Atlas expert Michael Vasallo and Mark Evanier (and I agree with them) is that George Klein inked the cover of FF # 1, as well as the interior and the cover and interior of FF # 2.</p>
<p>Nick Caputo</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graeme White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People in the know have always been aware that 616 is the number of the beast, it&#039;s just that it&#039;s only recently become common knowledge.

As a practising Occultist, I&#039;d say that Alan Moore would probably be in the know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People in the know have always been aware that 616 is the number of the beast, it&#8217;s just that it&#8217;s only recently become common knowledge.</p>
<p>As a practising Occultist, I&#8217;d say that Alan Moore would probably be in the know.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Also depending on who talks about it 616 may or may not be based on FF#1. Based on what Alan Davis says it has to do with the Number of the Beast - 666.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that 616 being the number of the beast was only discovered a few years ago - long after Marvel had started using it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Also depending on who talks about it 616 may or may not be based on FF#1. Based on what Alan Davis says it has to do with the Number of the Beast &#8211; 666.</p></blockquote>
<p>I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that 616 being the number of the beast was only discovered a few years ago &#8211; long after Marvel had started using it.</p>
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		<title>By: Freedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No mention of how the cover of FF #1 was an um... homage to the cover of the JLA&#039;s first appearance? Brave and the Bold #28.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No mention of how the cover of FF #1 was an um&#8230; homage to the cover of the JLA&#8217;s first appearance? Brave and the Bold #28.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/02/26/comic-book-legends-revealed-196/comment-page-2/#comment-708158</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if Michael began staring at the cover to FF #1 for every second of every day, he would have seen it a billion times by 1994! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if Michael began staring at the cover to FF #1 for every second of every day, he would have seen it a billion times by 1994! <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kimota94 aka AgileMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimota94 aka AgileMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, as always.  Like so many others, I&#039;d long assumed that the Punisher mini-series got expanded in-transit, although I could never figure out why the cover billing went 4-5-4-4-5 like that!  Now I know.

LOL to Michael Mayket who claims to have &quot;seen the Fantastic Four cover a billion times (literally)&quot; as he really ought to know that you should never combine obvious exaggeration with the word &quot;literally&quot; if you want to be taken seriously.  I know that the current U.S. financial crisis has people throwing &quot;billions&quot; and &quot;trillions&quot; around now like they don&#039;t mean anything anymore, but let&#039;s do the math here.  There are 60 seconds in a minute, 3600 seconds in an hour, 86,400 seconds in a day, and therefore 31,536,000 seconds in a non-leap year.  So to do something a billion times, and assuming that you could do whatever it is (in this case, see a comic book cover once again) once per second, you&#039;d have to be doing that, 24 hours a day, for more than 30 years (30 X 31,563,000 is not quite yet a billion).  If he&#039;d said &quot;a thousand times&quot;, I probably would have bought it.. but even &quot;a million times&quot; is probably ridiculous, never mind a billion.  Let&#039;s all reserve the word &quot;literally&quot; for when we mean it... literally.  ;-)  (And yes, this is just a pet peeve of mine.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, as always.  Like so many others, I&#8217;d long assumed that the Punisher mini-series got expanded in-transit, although I could never figure out why the cover billing went 4-5-4-4-5 like that!  Now I know.</p>
<p>LOL to Michael Mayket who claims to have &#8220;seen the Fantastic Four cover a billion times (literally)&#8221; as he really ought to know that you should never combine obvious exaggeration with the word &#8220;literally&#8221; if you want to be taken seriously.  I know that the current U.S. financial crisis has people throwing &#8220;billions&#8221; and &#8220;trillions&#8221; around now like they don&#8217;t mean anything anymore, but let&#8217;s do the math here.  There are 60 seconds in a minute, 3600 seconds in an hour, 86,400 seconds in a day, and therefore 31,536,000 seconds in a non-leap year.  So to do something a billion times, and assuming that you could do whatever it is (in this case, see a comic book cover once again) once per second, you&#8217;d have to be doing that, 24 hours a day, for more than 30 years (30 X 31,563,000 is not quite yet a billion).  If he&#8217;d said &#8220;a thousand times&#8221;, I probably would have bought it.. but even &#8220;a million times&#8221; is probably ridiculous, never mind a billion.  Let&#8217;s all reserve the word &#8220;literally&#8221; for when we mean it&#8230; literally.  <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   (And yes, this is just a pet peeve of mine.)</p>
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		<title>By: UltimateNicheDirectory.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>UltimateNicheDirectory.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 23:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at Mike Zeck&#039;s early artwork always makes me pause to appreciate his work.  That man was a GOD when I was growing up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at Mike Zeck&#8217;s early artwork always makes me pause to appreciate his work.  That man was a GOD when I was growing up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron wrote:

&quot;Anonymous,
It took me awhile to see it [the head in Kirby&#039;s pencils] too. It’s much lower than you might expect, but you can see the outline of his forehead and nose and helmet just to the left of (behind) his fist. All of which is certainly omitted in the inked version.&quot;

Yeah, thanks. I can now also see that the other I mentioned is the character&#039;s body armor with his torso turned almost horizontal. Thank you very much. However, and as I said, I doubt very much Coletta had any similar help.

As for finishing on Kirby&#039;s THOR and this THOR-related material being &#039;the highlights of his career as an inker,&quot; I&#039;d have to say that &quot;the shallowest of his lowlights&quot; might be better phrasing. But I thought his inks were less damaging to Mike Grell&#039;s pencils (I&#039;m particularly thinking about Vince&#039;s long run on THE WARLORD) than to anybody else&#039;s. General compatibility or more effort on his part, I wouldn&#039;t know. And I do mean LESS DAMAGING, as the finished comics still did not look too good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Anonymous,<br />
It took me awhile to see it [the head in Kirby's pencils] too. It’s much lower than you might expect, but you can see the outline of his forehead and nose and helmet just to the left of (behind) his fist. All of which is certainly omitted in the inked version.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, thanks. I can now also see that the other I mentioned is the character&#8217;s body armor with his torso turned almost horizontal. Thank you very much. However, and as I said, I doubt very much Coletta had any similar help.</p>
<p>As for finishing on Kirby&#8217;s THOR and this THOR-related material being &#8216;the highlights of his career as an inker,&#8221; I&#8217;d have to say that &#8220;the shallowest of his lowlights&#8221; might be better phrasing. But I thought his inks were less damaging to Mike Grell&#8217;s pencils (I&#8217;m particularly thinking about Vince&#8217;s long run on THE WARLORD) than to anybody else&#8217;s. General compatibility or more effort on his part, I wouldn&#8217;t know. And I do mean LESS DAMAGING, as the finished comics still did not look too good.</p>
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		<title>By: matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the Wintermen mini from wildstorm came out as (I think)
1 of 8
2 of 8
3 of 6
4 of 6
5
(two years later) a &quot;winter special&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the Wintermen mini from wildstorm came out as (I think)<br />
1 of 8<br />
2 of 8<br />
3 of 6<br />
4 of 6<br />
5<br />
(two years later) a &#8220;winter special&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Deadcat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey Deadcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The weapons dealer? I can hear him now, making a pitch in classic Lee-styled hyperbole. LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The weapons dealer? I can hear him now, making a pitch in classic Lee-styled hyperbole. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: George C.</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/02/26/comic-book-legends-revealed-196/comment-page-2/#comment-707932</link>
		<dc:creator>George C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 07:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it me or is that Stan Lee in the window on Punisher #4?</description>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 06:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes cover dates are for when to pull periodicals from the shelves, they still use them actually. Also there are the color bars up top of the pages for comics which were used as an additional way to know when to pull books from the shelves.

Also depending on who talks about it 616 may or may not be based on FF#1. Based on what Alan Davis says it has to do with the Number of the Beast - 666.

http://www.marvel.com/blogs/Tom_Brevoort/entry/719</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes cover dates are for when to pull periodicals from the shelves, they still use them actually. Also there are the color bars up top of the pages for comics which were used as an additional way to know when to pull books from the shelves.</p>
<p>Also depending on who talks about it 616 may or may not be based on FF#1. Based on what Alan Davis says it has to do with the Number of the Beast &#8211; 666.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marvel.com/blogs/Tom_Brevoort/entry/719" rel="nofollow">http://www.marvel.com/blogs/Tom_Brevoort/entry/719</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alan Coil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Coil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colletta got paid by the page. It was much faster to just erase figures or omit some lines so as to get more pages done in one day. Many artists refused to work with him because of that. Colletta was capable when he wanted to be, but mostly he just hacked it out as fast as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colletta got paid by the page. It was much faster to just erase figures or omit some lines so as to get more pages done in one day. Many artists refused to work with him because of that. Colletta was capable when he wanted to be, but mostly he just hacked it out as fast as possible.</p>
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