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	<title>Comments on: A Year of Cool Comic Book Moments - Day 61</title>
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		<title>By: wwk5d</title>
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		<dc:creator>wwk5d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The gods and kings will fail, and it&#039;ll be left in the hands of the common slob who drips ketchup on his shirt (us).&quot;

This seems to be Moore&#039;s view as much as the characters.</description>
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<p>This seems to be Moore's view as much as the characters.</p>
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		<title>By: Felicity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felicity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 06:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would debate the statement that Moore is a liberal nutso. It&#039;s no secret that he&#039;s a liberal, but I question the &quot;nutso&quot; part.

I get that Rorschach is descended from Ditko&#039;s character, but I wouldn&#039;t agree that Rorschach is an Objectivist. Sure, he has a black-and-white view of morality, but so could anybody, including liberals. He&#039;d have to have the oral-retentive love of the &quot;virtue of selfishness&quot; and complain about &quot;moochers&quot; &quot;stealing&quot; from him via taxes to be an Objectivist. Rorschach actually cares enough about other people to try to protect them from being bullied by predators. He&#039;s crazier than a snake&#039;s armpit and goes overboard a lot, but in his own way he&#039;s a service-to-others type.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would debate the statement that Moore is a liberal nutso. It's no secret that he's a liberal, but I question the "nutso" part.</p>
<p>I get that Rorschach is descended from Ditko's character, but I wouldn't agree that Rorschach is an Objectivist. Sure, he has a black-and-white view of morality, but so could anybody, including liberals. He'd have to have the oral-retentive love of the "virtue of selfishness" and complain about "moochers" "stealing" from him via taxes to be an Objectivist. Rorschach actually cares enough about other people to try to protect them from being bullied by predators. He's crazier than a snake's armpit and goes overboard a lot, but in his own way he's a service-to-others type.</p>
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		<title>By: Felicity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felicity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 06:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I felt so sorry for Dr. Long, but at least in the comic, he got some of his nobility back in the end, when he realized that he couldn&#039;t stop caring about people. He was treated much more shabbily in the movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I felt so sorry for Dr. Long, but at least in the comic, he got some of his nobility back in the end, when he realized that he couldn't stop caring about people. He was treated much more shabbily in the movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Felty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Felty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This doesn&#039;t include one of my favorite parts of these sessions:

&quot;How are you today, Walter?&quot;

&quot;In prison.&quot;</description>
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<p>"How are you today, Walter?"</p>
<p>"In prison."</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen Scribbler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen Scribbler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Ozy mentions how the Comedian handed him his ass many years ago, and it looks like he never got over it. That&#039;s really why Blake had to die- Ozy&#039;s wounded pride. The exact same way it&#039;s hinted that Blake probably killed Hooded Justice for whopping his behind many years earlier.

So, yeah- Blake was doomed by Ozy one way or another...

-Citizen Scribbler</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Ozy mentions how the Comedian handed him his ass many years ago, and it looks like he never got over it. That's really why Blake had to die- Ozy's wounded pride. The exact same way it's hinted that Blake probably killed Hooded Justice for whopping his behind many years earlier.</p>
<p>So, yeah- Blake was doomed by Ozy one way or another...</p>
<p>-Citizen Scribbler</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hackett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Hackett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Capt USA,

   I think the Comedian knows that Ozymandias is sitting on top of the New Order and won&#039;t tolerate Blake as a wildcard, and thus knows his fate is sealed.  His struggle is whether or not to blow the whistle before the end, knowing that Ozy&#039;s plan is probably going to work and save humanity.  The plan itself also is of such enormity that it wakens even his sense of morality (and probably shakes out some repressed feelings about Viet Nam as well).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Capt USA,</p>
<p>   I think the Comedian knows that Ozymandias is sitting on top of the New Order and won't tolerate Blake as a wildcard, and thus knows his fate is sealed.  His struggle is whether or not to blow the whistle before the end, knowing that Ozy's plan is probably going to work and save humanity.  The plan itself also is of such enormity that it wakens even his sense of morality (and probably shakes out some repressed feelings about Viet Nam as well).</p>
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		<title>By: KMFPL</title>
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		<dc:creator>KMFPL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One week?  Feh!</description>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 07:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anybody besides me want Mr. Moore to watch the &quot;Watchmen&quot; movie and feel that Mr. Snyder got it right and they both should get the credit they deserve?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anybody besides me want Mr. Moore to watch the "Watchmen" movie and feel that Mr. Snyder got it right and they both should get the credit they deserve?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Atkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 05:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KMFPL: Rorschach was arrested on October 21, had his first session on October 25th, and his final session on October 28th.  

Moore has said in at least one interview that Rorschach&#039;s worldview was his best attempt at encapsulating Ditko&#039;s Objectivist philosophy; presumably that includes post-Question characters such as Mr. A, where the philosophical influence was much stronger and more openly expressed.  Don&#039;t forget, too, the famous story where the Question allows criminals to drown rather than rescue them; that&#039;s about as hardcore as vigilanteism was allowed to get in a Code-approved book at the time, but you can see the roots of later developments there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KMFPL: Rorschach was arrested on October 21, had his first session on October 25th, and his final session on October 28th.  </p>
<p>Moore has said in at least one interview that Rorschach's worldview was his best attempt at encapsulating Ditko's Objectivist philosophy; presumably that includes post-Question characters such as Mr. A, where the philosophical influence was much stronger and more openly expressed.  Don't forget, too, the famous story where the Question allows criminals to drown rather than rescue them; that's about as hardcore as vigilanteism was allowed to get in a Code-approved book at the time, but you can see the roots of later developments there.</p>
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		<title>By: KMFPL</title>
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		<dc:creator>KMFPL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 02:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have the book in front of me, but how long did this issue take, in comic book time?  I was always under the impression that Dr. Long spent a good deal of time with Rorschach - long hours, little sleep, away from his family.  Rorschach wore him down, then hit him hard when he was mentally vulnerable.  And, yes, I remember Dr. Long being a novice to this kind of case, who thought it would be a nice career move...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't have the book in front of me, but how long did this issue take, in comic book time?  I was always under the impression that Dr. Long spent a good deal of time with Rorschach - long hours, little sleep, away from his family.  Rorschach wore him down, then hit him hard when he was mentally vulnerable.  And, yes, I remember Dr. Long being a novice to this kind of case, who thought it would be a nice career move...</p>
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		<title>By: Lt. Clutch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lt. Clutch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Blackjak mentioned, I&#039;ve always understood that Rorschach was based on Ditko&#039;s The Question, who was originally rooted on Ditko&#039;s own Rand-ish libertarian philosophy. Ditko wasn&#039;t writing The Question as a conservative back in the 60&#039;s although Moore might have altered this viewpoint when he re-tooled the character into Rorschach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Blackjak mentioned, I've always understood that Rorschach was based on Ditko's The Question, who was originally rooted on Ditko's own Rand-ish libertarian philosophy. Ditko wasn't writing The Question as a conservative back in the 60's although Moore might have altered this viewpoint when he re-tooled the character into Rorschach.</p>
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		<title>By: Capt USA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capt USA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it was mentioned in the book that there was a Constitutional Amendment to allow Nixon a third term. Personally I thought that point was unnecessary, Without Watergate, there is no way that Carter wins election over whatever Republican is put in office (and there could be a good case made that Reagan would have probably won the Republican nomination in 1976 and started his two term presidency there, meaning Bush becomes president in 1984 ---Watchmen takes place in 1985) The difference between Nixon and Reagan for story telling purposes wouldn&#039;t have been much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was mentioned in the book that there was a Constitutional Amendment to allow Nixon a third term. Personally I thought that point was unnecessary, Without Watergate, there is no way that Carter wins election over whatever Republican is put in office (and there could be a good case made that Reagan would have probably won the Republican nomination in 1976 and started his two term presidency there, meaning Bush becomes president in 1984 ---Watchmen takes place in 1985) The difference between Nixon and Reagan for story telling purposes wouldn't have been much.</p>
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		<title>By: danjack</title>
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		<dc:creator>danjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Marital &amp; Family Therapist, i feel that Moore&#039;s depiction of the therapist is pretty weak. Moore presents complicated issues and circumstances of which he is unfamiliar in simplistic ways. He is certainly not the only writer who does this [many, many writers do this actually], but knowing a bit about the profession always makes these scenes a bit off for me. Sort of like the way Moore presents conservatives, or the fact that somehow Nixon is still President, even tho&#039; his two terms would be up. 
Of course, this is all fiction anyway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Marital &amp; Family Therapist, i feel that Moore's depiction of the therapist is pretty weak. Moore presents complicated issues and circumstances of which he is unfamiliar in simplistic ways. He is certainly not the only writer who does this [many, many writers do this actually], but knowing a bit about the profession always makes these scenes a bit off for me. Sort of like the way Moore presents conservatives, or the fact that somehow Nixon is still President, even tho' his two terms would be up.<br />
Of course, this is all fiction anyway...</p>
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		<title>By: Blackjak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blackjak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... I thought that because Rorschach was based on The Question, a Steve Ditko creation, that he was in turn influenced by Steve Ditko&#039;s character.  Ditko seems by all accounts to have a very Black/White world view with no shades of gray...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm... I thought that because Rorschach was based on The Question, a Steve Ditko creation, that he was in turn influenced by Steve Ditko's character.  Ditko seems by all accounts to have a very Black/White world view with no shades of gray...</p>
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		<title>By: Capt USA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capt USA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 23:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very much for not comparing Roscharch to Punisher, there is nothing heroic in any action that the Punisher performs, the guy is the definition of anti-villain, not hero. If it was Punisher at the end of the Watchmen series and he couldn&#039;t kill Ozy, he would compromise and say &quot;I&#039;ll be watching&quot; instead of doing the heroic and staying true to ones values.  Roscharch is a much more complex of a character than the Punisher. 

I agree that Moores point may have been what you were saying, and I don&#039;t doubt for a second that Moore thought that Roscharch is a conservative viewpoint, but I don&#039;t think he is accurate or even complex in his portrayal of the conservative side. But Roscharch is no more conservative viewpoint than Ozy is a liberal viewpoint (as you mentioned fixing the system is a liberal idea, but really killing millions of people is not something that many true liberals would support) They are just complex characters in a complex world that are reacting in ways that they know how to react based upon their inner belief system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm very much for not comparing Roscharch to Punisher, there is nothing heroic in any action that the Punisher performs, the guy is the definition of anti-villain, not hero. If it was Punisher at the end of the Watchmen series and he couldn't kill Ozy, he would compromise and say "I'll be watching" instead of doing the heroic and staying true to ones values.  Roscharch is a much more complex of a character than the Punisher. </p>
<p>I agree that Moores point may have been what you were saying, and I don't doubt for a second that Moore thought that Roscharch is a conservative viewpoint, but I don't think he is accurate or even complex in his portrayal of the conservative side. But Roscharch is no more conservative viewpoint than Ozy is a liberal viewpoint (as you mentioned fixing the system is a liberal idea, but really killing millions of people is not something that many true liberals would support) They are just complex characters in a complex world that are reacting in ways that they know how to react based upon their inner belief system.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 23:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This could be argued is a conservative viewpoint, but the mere act of being a vigilante as classified as conservative or liberal isn’t accurate.&quot;

Maybe not, but the types of vigilantes like Rorschach clearly draw from right-wing ideology on crime. I think one reason Moore created Rorschach was to imply that, if superheroes like Batman or Punisher existed in the real world, they&#039;d more likely be nutty reactonary fanatics than noble champions of justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"This could be argued is a conservative viewpoint, but the mere act of being a vigilante as classified as conservative or liberal isn’t accurate."</p>
<p>Maybe not, but the types of vigilantes like Rorschach clearly draw from right-wing ideology on crime. I think one reason Moore created Rorschach was to imply that, if superheroes like Batman or Punisher existed in the real world, they'd more likely be nutty reactonary fanatics than noble champions of justice.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 23:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eyesore, didn&#039;t you used to go by grandma&#039;s beef curtains?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eyesore, didn't you used to go by grandma's beef curtains?</p>
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		<title>By: Tuomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 23:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(That was to Chris Z.)</description>
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		<title>By: Tuomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 23:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good points, and I think with Dr. Long Moore also shows how the having the weigth of the world on your shoulders can make you go a bit crazy. Dr. Long feels like he&#039;s compelled to do good, but I think Moore is also sympathetic to his wife&#039;s claim that he shouldn&#039;t abandon his home and family because of this. Only nutsos and fanatics like Rorschach can devote their whole lives to an ideal, the rest of us have to compromise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good points, and I think with Dr. Long Moore also shows how the having the weigth of the world on your shoulders can make you go a bit crazy. Dr. Long feels like he's compelled to do good, but I think Moore is also sympathetic to his wife's claim that he shouldn't abandon his home and family because of this. Only nutsos and fanatics like Rorschach can devote their whole lives to an ideal, the rest of us have to compromise.</p>
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		<title>By: Eyesore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eyesore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 23:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always got the sense that Rorschach admired the Comedian because he wanted to catch his pitches.</description>
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