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Thoughts on the Search for the Next Sorcerer Supreme

I find it pretty amusing that Marvel is actually doing stuff like “Odds on who will be the next Sorcerer Supreme,” because, really, folks, and I mean this with absolutely zero disrespect to Brian Michael Bendis, but come on, the guy doesn’t go by what “makes sense” for stuff like this. He goes by what he thinks makes for the most interesting story. Which is perfectly fine, of course, but it’s just funny to do “odds” as if there is some rhyme and reason to the decision who is the next Sorcerer Supreme, like “Ah, yes, that makes sense!” besides “wouldn’t it be interesting if Character X was Sorcerer Supreme?”

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“How well do you understand Bendis’ mind?”

The next Sorcerer Supreme should, both from a “practical” and an interesting story perspective, be Doctor Doom. That would be an awesome storyline. Point by point:

-In the “Triumph and Torment” graphic novel where Dr. Strange was confirmed in the title of El Supremo, Doom was the (only) runner-up.
-Dr. Doom would make a really good Sorcerer Supreme. Combine his genius, mystical abilities, Strange’s various talismans and sponsors, and Doom’s ruthlessness, and Dormammu, Mephisto et al would be pining for the good old days when they had an opponent who played fair.
-It’s at least plausible that, as Sorcerer Supreme, Doom would kind of let the whole world-conquest agenda slide, as the job of being Earth’s savior on a regular basis would likely (in his mind, at least) be quite an ego-boost by itself. Which would open up a diabolical dilemma when Dr. Strange’s inevitable return rolled around: is it really better to have Strange back, at the cost of Doom going back to old ways?
-Imagine when, after exhausting all the alternatives, superheroes eventually have to turn to Dr. Doom for help with something. He’d help them, but savor the blow to his old enemies’ pride. Huge fun to watch.

Of course there’s already been a “What If” about Doom as Sorcerer Supreme, but it didn’t really get into any of the concept’s true potential IMO. Ah well. If you want more plot details, Tom Brevoort, post a comment and let me know. ;-)

I’m betting it will be Doom, actually. It fits best with Dark Reign.

Tracer Bullet

March 4, 2009 at 6:36 pm

It’s not like there are a lot of characters to chose from. Doom, Brother Voodoo, uh, Scarlet Witch, um, Sersi maybe. But, yeah, Doom is the most interesting choice.

I think Doom would be the best choice, but we all know it’s going to be Luke Cage.

Uh, what happened to Dr. Strange? I haven’t picked up a Marvel book since House of M (not that I hated it, more just my priorities and responsibilities have shifted since), so I don’t really know what’s going on.

From what I gather, Captain America is dead, Iron Man is an ass, Hulk is either gone or became Hercules, and Spider-Man is apparently ruined for all time. So did Strange die too?

What this does is give certain fans, the ones who guess correctly, a feeling that they are superior to the others. A false sense of superiority, to be sure. It’s also a faux ‘reader participation’ game, as the guessing has no influence on the outcome, but the fans think it does.

PhoenixRisingNYC

March 4, 2009 at 7:05 pm

I actually think that the Hood will end up being the new Sorcerer Supreme…not because he should (because we all know he’s nowhere powerful enough), but because Bendis seems to favor him so much.

If not Doom, I think that the recently returned Illyana Rasputin would be the most qualified candidate for the title.

PhoenixRisingNYC

March 4, 2009 at 7:07 pm

I actually think that the Hood will end up being the new Sorcerer Supreme…not because he should (because we all know he’s nowhere powerful enough), but because Bendis seems to favor him so much.

If not Doom, I think that the recently returned Illyana Rasputin (aka Magik of the New Mutants) would be the most qualified candidate for the title.

While I didn’t go into EVERY possible choice, on my blog, I went into (with great depth) MANY of the candidates to whom the title of Sorcerer Supreme might be given.

http://tinyurl.com/5oajgd

I also had a follow-up (rant) about the Bendis-factor…

http://tinyurl.com/d4jgom

(btw, the comments on that one are pretty good too)

~P~

Doom would be awesome… IF Brubaker was writing it. His Books of Doom was excellent.

Tracer Bullet

March 4, 2009 at 8:05 pm

Is it me, or is The Hood long overdue for a disturbingly brutal ass-beating? He’d look mighty fine with a crescent moon carved in his forehead or a crowbar-shaped bruise across his back.

Isn’t the Hood’s cloak really Dormammu?

I can’t see the high powers of magic granting that kind of status to Dormammu.

Why is Marvel doing this any sillier than us (the fans) doing it on CBR or other forums? Even if we know that they have other, hidden motives (Heck, WHY is Strange being replaced in the first place?) we still take a shot at guessing just for the fun of it.

Oh, and Doctor Doom WOULD make a great Sorcerer Supreme… if he were not, you know, EVIL. (Didn’t he once, to give but one example, KILL a woman who loved him in order to gain magical powers, even using her SKIN as part of his new armor? Or was that a *snicker* Doombot too? :P )

I think there’s a difference between a good story, and just a cool moment — where’s really the story potential in Doom becoming Sorceror Supreme? What will we get out of that? Not that I’m saying it’d be impossible to get a good story from that set-up, but it’s hardly going to write itself…Wraith’s already done a pretty good job of describing the coolness of the low-hanging fruit, and I just have to wonder if after that’s gone there’d be anything left on the tree. Illyana’s pretty much a cipher. Wanda’s horrifically messed-up, practically buried in loose ends that are all radioactive. The Hood’s kinda boring. To me, it seems like there’s not a whole lot of interesting choices here at all, for stories.

But, maybe that’s just me.

Oh man, if it was Doom, I would actually pick that up. What a character arc. The most megalomaniacle tyrant in the world achieves the power that he’s always sought along with enlightenment and the responsibility of protecting a world he sought to subdue and enslave. Some great opportunities there.

I’d think the best of those opportunities would be the chance to make a comparison between Strange’s original character arc, and Doom’s new one…megalomaniac…has a desire he’s not willing to fetter…discovers new values and priorities…

But then what, is all I’m saying.

I still maintain, that this story should be written by Paul Cornell in another story, with Bachalo or Marcos Martin on art. and that Ian McNee should get the job, there was this awesome piece of suplementary material that came out with Mystic Arcana, that was a look into his books and files, that was just amazing,

From what I gather, Captain America is dead, Iron Man is an ass, Hulk is either gone or became Hercules, and Spider-Man is apparently ruined for all time. So did Strange die too?
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When did Marvel become DC Comics?

Yeah my money is on the Hood. Bendis likes him and from the list most of the other characters on the list are either too important already (Doom is huge and in an FF4 storyline with his “masters”), too tied to the old dr. strange order (Clea, Mordred, Dormammu) or just too unknown/green (Son of Druid). You need someone who will shake up the status quo and at least give some illusion they might keep the job (Old Strange foes obviously would get beat by him upon his return). Hood wouldn’t be my choice, but if Bendis is going to be the guy who uses the Sorcerer Supreme than it makes sense it should be one of his guys.

Even though the deck is stacked in the Hood’s favor since this a Bendis pet, Doom would be the most logical choice since he did finish as runner up in the contest of the Vishanti as previously mentioned. As for Doom being too evil? Well in his civilian life, Doctor Strange was an arrogant, money grabbing surgeon.

I have a sneaky suspicion it might be Brother Voodoo (or maybe thats just wishful thinking on my part).

“From what I gather, Captain America is dead, Iron Man is an ass, Hulk is either gone or became Hercules, and Spider-Man is apparently ruined for all time. So did Strange die too?
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When did Marvel become DC Comics?”

When did 2009 become 1995?

Why does it have to be an established character at all?

And why isn’t Damian Hellstrum on the list?

I don’t think there’s a good answer to either of those questions.

I dunno, I think you can make a good argument that whoever the next Sorcerer Supreme is, it should be someone who is already on the radar, like Strange was before HE became Sorcerer Supreme.

Of course, it almost certainly should NOT be a dude who just happens to have a magical hood, but que sera, sera.

I love the idea of Doom, Sorceror Supreme… Let’s face it, another Doctor…

Hate the idea of the Hood…

How about Rick “I’ve tried pretty much every other role in the Marvel Universe” Jones??

ROM : SPACE-SORCERER SUPREME!

;-)

~P~

Yeah, second me in wondering WHY (in terms of in-story reason) there’s going to be a new Sorcerer Supreme. I believe the solicitation text says something about “Doctor Strange has failed…”

Wouldn’t a significant failure of Dr. Strange, in his role as Sorcerer Supreme, involve Earth being reduced to a smoking, blackened cinder, lorded over by demonic hordes of some type?

Did I miss the storyline where that happened?

Not really.

Marvel (Bendis, mostly) had a bunch of stuff that had Strange “failing” on multiple occasions (House of M, Civil War – although that wasn’t Bendis, World War Hulk – also not Bendis, New Avengers) so that he would have to be deconstructed (and hopefully rebuilt).

Marvel (Quesada) has had a problem with Strange being “too powerful” for a while now, and this is the way to bring him down a bit.

It isn’t the FIRST “depowering” that Straneg has gone through.
Nor is it the first time that they used the lure of “dark magicks” (as he used with ZOM) – since that was the case of the whole “Strange Tales v2″ series, that tore him down, and built him BACK up for his “Sorcerer Supreme” titled comic series.

Nothing will last forever.
In time, STrange will regain the title and it’ll be fine.
For all those who say that Dormammu or Doom CAN’T be Sorcerer Supreme because they’re EVIL.. so what?
There HAVE been other Sorcerer Supemes before and at least 2 of them WERE evil.

The job has nothing to do with PROTECTING the Earth Dimension.
If MORDO had become Sorcerer Supreme, way back when, he would have wanted to RULE.

The PROTECTING aspect has ONLY to do with WHO gets the title.
If it’s a good guy, they’ll (hopefully) do good with it.
If it’s a baddie… well… I hope you like being ruled by a mystical overlord.

~P~

If you will kindly indulge my posting yet another link to my blog…

http://tinyurl.com/within-you-without-you

I expound upon the NATURE of Doctor Strange as Sorcerer Supreme… and how it seems that modern writers have trouble with treating Strange as a MYSTIC and NOT as a Superhero.

~P~

What are my odds on Wolverine, he just isn’t getting enough face time?

Y’know who’d make a good sorcerer supreme? Doctor Strange. Written by Brian Vaughan. Drawn by Marcos Martin. Just a wild, shot in the dark idea.

But yeah, this whole “Doctor Strange has failed” thing seems a little weak. His failures look an awful lot like “the writers needed him out of the way for these stories,” more than him actually doing anything wrong.

I’d like to see a “Doctor Strange just need a ‘me’ day” story arc, I think that could solve a lot of his problems.

Yeah, someone give that Stephen Strange guy a shot at it. Man, I wish he still had a series of his own.

That aside, I think Illyana Rasputin would be a cool choice for the job.

yeah it’ll probably be Doom or Hood. it’s nice to see BV getting some play, but i don’t think Bendis has the moxie to go for that. Wanda would be awesome too, and i guess, a bit more likely.

I had expected to see at least Ian McNee on that list as well. Marvel really tried to push him with that Arcana-series.

I think Mordo would make for a more interesting choice than Doom. Doom has become too competent, he has too many things to fall back upon should he get into trouble, while Mordo only has his magic. Mordo as Sorcerer Supreme would have some interesting angles as well. You could have him taking over Strange’s Sanctum Sanctorum including Wong, who then shows him the Orb: “You can rule as Sorcerer Supreme, but those 85 spots on the Orb show you the various demonic and magical intruders who also want this place.” Mordo forced into the role of protector because he’s too proud to back off and too busy to abuse his power.

It should be Night Nurse. Obviously.

I feel like it’s going to be The Hood, because he’s one of Bendis’ pet characters that we’re all just supposed to accept as badass with little context.

Nitz the Bloody

March 5, 2009 at 12:27 pm

If Strange makes his choice for his successor based on a reality-show style competition that subjects the contestants to various psychological and even physical trials, a la House Season 4, it would make for an awesome story. Not that Strange is so depraved, but that sort of competitive, cutthroat environment’d be fun to see in a Marvel comic.

You know who else’d make a really good sorcerer supreme? Doctor Gregory House.

Greatest. Crossover. Ever.

Well, it was actually supposed to be Matt Murdock, but everybody figured it out so Bendis changed it to the Hood. But it all makes sense in the story because the Hood has been secretly training with Dormammu since like, before his first appearance even.

this post makes every single discussion about a work of fiction from the point of view of a character moot as well, since, after all, its all made up so why discuss it? that includes any hypotheticals about what a character might do, or what a character might feel other than what is expressly written on the page

which would take off a large percentage of the content on this very site!

Karl, you may be the biggest buzzkill since Buzz Killington.

this post makes every single discussion about a work of fiction from the point of view of a character moot as well, since, after all, its all made up so why discuss it?

Clearly, you were not following the initial post. But that’s okay, I will help you by re-posting it and bolding the parts that are important, because I’m here to help!

I find it pretty amusing that Marvel is actually doing stuff like “Odds on who will be the next Sorcerer Supreme,” because, really, folks, and I mean this with absolutely zero disrespect to Brian Michael Bendis, but come on, the guy doesn’t go by what “makes sense” for stuff like this. He goes by what he thinks makes for the most interesting story. Which is perfectly fine, of course, but it’s just funny to do “odds” as if there is some rhyme and reason to the decision who is the next Sorcerer Supreme, like “Ah, yes, that makes sense!” besides “wouldn’t it be interesting if Character X was Sorcerer Supreme?”

So no, this post does not make every single discussion about a work of fiction from the point of view of a character moot, just discussions about works of fiction from the point of view of established characters written by Brian Michael Bendis.

The logical choice would be Clea, wouldn’t it?

I’m disappointed by most candidates. Haven’t we had enough evil megalomanic protagonists as of late yet?

Even Strange himself (in The Order)?

I just don’t see the point of an evil sorcerer supreme. The very idea looks so boring.

MAN-THING : SORCERER SUPREME!
(hey… he’s already the Guardian of the freakin’ NEXUS of ALL REALITIES, fer cryin’ out loud.)

;-)

~P~

brian –

so which authors use logic? i mean is there a chart with powers and abilities that people match up? do they whip out their old card collections with the stats on them?

not trying to be a dick here, just honestly asking how what youre saying is any different than a discussion on who the ‘power players’ in a series is, what ‘hulk’ might be thinking during WWH or if batman could beat superman

I love that “not trying to be a dick here” thing. WHICH AUTHORS USE LOGIC DAMN YOU BRIAN

I find it interesting that only one person here picked the right one. I don’t see why that is– I thought Brother Voodoo was the most likely choice, not that I was very confident about it. (I also thought Hellstrom was a strong possibility.)
I admit there are cool story possiblities in Doom, but I never thought there was any chance of him or the Hood. The only way they could pull that off would be if it were the focus of another of these enormous company-wide crossover-things, and we would’ve had some indication if that were coming.
I didn’t think there could be any possibility of Clea, either. Isn’t she already Sorceror Supreme of her own dimension?

I’m not very confident Brother Voodoo is really right for the job, though. He is the world’s greatest expert in Voodoo, but has there ever been any indication that he knows any other kind of Magick? It seems to me that a Sorceror Supreme should have some all-round knowledge (although there’s nothing wrong with having a specialty).

It won’t be wiccan because everyone in the marvel universe thinks it’s going to be, I think it may be the scarlet witch mainly because she’s gonna be re-introduced sooner or later and sorceress supreme is a bit of an obvious way to do it.

I’d like it to be Magik though, i think she’d really suit the role

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