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		<title>By: Pagando os débitos &#171; Movimentos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pagando os débitos &#171; Movimentos</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Harlots &#124; Literary Escapism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harlots &#124; Literary Escapism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Blackjak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blackjak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an amazing coincidence!  My copy of &quot;Myths for the Modern Age&quot; arrived on Friday!
I was introduced to Philip Jose Farmer&#039;s work through the &quot;Riverworld&quot; series, and loved his use of characters like Mark Twain, Richard Burton and others.  So when I heard about the Wold Newton Universe, via your column a couple of weeks ago, I ordered the book... 
I haven&#039;t got that deeply into it yet, but the &quot;Rules for inclusion&quot; section specifically states &quot;No Fan Fiction&quot;...  The works must be by a recognised author...  Comics, film, and TV crossovers are considered secondary, and cannot conflict with a novel...
I didn&#039;t realise that he had passed on so recently... Damn shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an amazing coincidence!  My copy of &#8220;Myths for the Modern Age&#8221; arrived on Friday!<br />
I was introduced to Philip Jose Farmer&#8217;s work through the &#8220;Riverworld&#8221; series, and loved his use of characters like Mark Twain, Richard Burton and others.  So when I heard about the Wold Newton Universe, via your column a couple of weeks ago, I ordered the book&#8230;<br />
I haven&#8217;t got that deeply into it yet, but the &#8220;Rules for inclusion&#8221; section specifically states &#8220;No Fan Fiction&#8221;&#8230;  The works must be by a recognised author&#8230;  Comics, film, and TV crossovers are considered secondary, and cannot conflict with a novel&#8230;<br />
I didn&#8217;t realise that he had passed on so recently&#8230; Damn shame.</p>
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		<title>By: jumpy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 01:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sijo is dead wrong. Writing a Wold Newton crossover is not fan fiction.  If so, Kim Newman is a fan fiction writer and we know that isn&#039;t true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sijo is dead wrong. Writing a Wold Newton crossover is not fan fiction.  If so, Kim Newman is a fan fiction writer and we know that isn&#8217;t true.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Roberson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Roberson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 14:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece, Greg.

As for where to start with Farmer&#039;s stuff, I&#039;d recommend To Your Scattered Bodies Go, the first of the Riverworld novels; The Maker of Worlds, the first of the World of Tiers; The Other Log of Phileas Fogg, a good place to start for anyone who enjoys Verne, steampunk, or League of Extraordinary Gentlemen; and Two Hawks from Earth, a terrific alternate history adventure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece, Greg.</p>
<p>As for where to start with Farmer&#8217;s stuff, I&#8217;d recommend To Your Scattered Bodies Go, the first of the Riverworld novels; The Maker of Worlds, the first of the World of Tiers; The Other Log of Phileas Fogg, a good place to start for anyone who enjoys Verne, steampunk, or League of Extraordinary Gentlemen; and Two Hawks from Earth, a terrific alternate history adventure.</p>
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		<title>By: Sijo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sijo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 02:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben: Most Fan fiction is just, as the name indicates, fans giving vent to their feelings over their favorite series. Most of it is crude and some of it is blatantly offensive. However, I *have* seen some excellent Fanfics, written as well if not *better* than most comics today. A Superman/Tenchi Muyo crossover I once read online in particular comes to mind- despite how out-there the concept sounds, it made GREAT use of the mythology of both series, presented ALL characters perfectly, and had both humorous, dramatic and touching moments. And it was NOVEL length to boot! I recommend it to everybody; Google it up, you should have no problem finding it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben: Most Fan fiction is just, as the name indicates, fans giving vent to their feelings over their favorite series. Most of it is crude and some of it is blatantly offensive. However, I *have* seen some excellent Fanfics, written as well if not *better* than most comics today. A Superman/Tenchi Muyo crossover I once read online in particular comes to mind- despite how out-there the concept sounds, it made GREAT use of the mythology of both series, presented ALL characters perfectly, and had both humorous, dramatic and touching moments. And it was NOVEL length to boot! I recommend it to everybody; Google it up, you should have no problem finding it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 00:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the Wold Newton books are great I would also suggest reading Farmer&#039;s Riverworld Novels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the Wold Newton books are great I would also suggest reading Farmer&#8217;s Riverworld Novels.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 00:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad to hear about PJF&#039;s passing, but his work has been comemorated in fine form in this weeks column.

Dan, the two biographies, Tarzan Alive and Doc Savage - His Apocalyptic Life are a great place to start.  Tarzan Alive gets a little heavy with the heraldry and geneaology aspects of it all but, on the plus side, is MUCH easier to find than the Doc Savage book, especially outside the US.

The comparison to well-written fan-fic above made me smile.  This stuff, or certainly Farmer&#039;s contributions, feels to me a lot lke Roy Thomas&#039; work on the All Star Squadron, filling the gaps and making many real or imagined connections come to life.  Its very definitely not continuity porn; Farmer asserts much of what has gone before is out and out wrong, for instance that Burroughs fabricated Pellucidar from whole cloth.  He tells a rollicking good tale that doesn&#039;t let obscure or otherwise details get in the way of his story.  I can&#039;t say that for much fan-fic I&#039;ve read.  But then I haven&#039;t read very much so make of that what you will...

A great piece as usual Greg. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad to hear about PJF&#8217;s passing, but his work has been comemorated in fine form in this weeks column.</p>
<p>Dan, the two biographies, Tarzan Alive and Doc Savage &#8211; His Apocalyptic Life are a great place to start.  Tarzan Alive gets a little heavy with the heraldry and geneaology aspects of it all but, on the plus side, is MUCH easier to find than the Doc Savage book, especially outside the US.</p>
<p>The comparison to well-written fan-fic above made me smile.  This stuff, or certainly Farmer&#8217;s contributions, feels to me a lot lke Roy Thomas&#8217; work on the All Star Squadron, filling the gaps and making many real or imagined connections come to life.  Its very definitely not continuity porn; Farmer asserts much of what has gone before is out and out wrong, for instance that Burroughs fabricated Pellucidar from whole cloth.  He tells a rollicking good tale that doesn&#8217;t let obscure or otherwise details get in the way of his story.  I can&#8217;t say that for much fan-fic I&#8217;ve read.  But then I haven&#8217;t read very much so make of that what you will&#8230;</p>
<p>A great piece as usual Greg. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Slam Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slam Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice interview, Greg.  As I said in the Books forum Farner&#039;s bios of Tarzan and Doc Savage were instrumental in introducing me to a ton of pulp and Victorian characters that I might not otherwise have come across.  And they led me to Farmer&#039;s SF.  

I don&#039;t think any rational person can debate the incredible importance of The Lovers to SF.  And I truly believe that The Alley Man is one of the great SF short stories.  

Thanks for the reminders of Farmer&#039;s great work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice interview, Greg.  As I said in the Books forum Farner&#8217;s bios of Tarzan and Doc Savage were instrumental in introducing me to a ton of pulp and Victorian characters that I might not otherwise have come across.  And they led me to Farmer&#8217;s SF.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think any rational person can debate the incredible importance of The Lovers to SF.  And I truly believe that The Alley Man is one of the great SF short stories.  </p>
<p>Thanks for the reminders of Farmer&#8217;s great work.</p>
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		<title>By: tk.</title>
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		<dc:creator>tk.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Travis McGee!  I was named after him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Travis McGee!  I was named after him.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Hatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Hatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And what is the deal with the Kilgore Trout book?!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Farmer wrote it as part of his &#039;fictional author&#039; series. When it came out a lot of folks thought it was Kurt Vonnegut himself that wrote it, but it was Mr. Farmer doing a sly Vonnegut parody. Trout is considered a member of the Wold Newton family, too.

Really you could start with any of these books pictured. Or &lt;b&gt;Riverworld and Other Stories,&lt;/b&gt; that&#039;s a nice little sampler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And what is the deal with the Kilgore Trout book?!</p></blockquote>
<p>Farmer wrote it as part of his &#8216;fictional author&#8217; series. When it came out a lot of folks thought it was Kurt Vonnegut himself that wrote it, but it was Mr. Farmer doing a sly Vonnegut parody. Trout is considered a member of the Wold Newton family, too.</p>
<p>Really you could start with any of these books pictured. Or <b>Riverworld and Other Stories,</b> that&#8217;s a nice little sampler.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Felty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Felty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So where&#039;s a good place to start with Philip Farmer, considering I&#039;ve read not much more sci-fi than Ray Bradbury, Dune, and superhero comics?

And what is the deal with the Kilgore Trout book?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So where&#8217;s a good place to start with Philip Farmer, considering I&#8217;ve read not much more sci-fi than Ray Bradbury, Dune, and superhero comics?</p>
<p>And what is the deal with the Kilgore Trout book?!</p>
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		<title>By: Sijo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sijo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard of the Wold Newton concept, but I missed on those novels. Maybe I should go read them, since I&#039;m so disappointed by most comics these days. I have, however, read websites about the setting, so I do know some facts about it.

It&#039;s sad to hear of Mr. Farmer&#039;s passing, but as you noted it was to be expected. At least he got one more book out before he left us!

Btw, I can&#039;t help but smile at the very fact that Wold Newton is, basically, CROSSOVER FAN FICTION. The SAME kind of stuff we fans talk about, argue and even mock online these days. It&#039;s likely VERY well written Fan Fiction, unlike most of the stuff posted on the Web, but still it&#039;s basically &quot;let&#039;s put these characters from different series together and see what happens.&quot; On the other hand, some people are dead-set against crossovers (even on TV SHOWS!), as if somehow every series HAD to exist on its own little universe, that the idea alone puts them off from reading or watching one. Their loss.

There&#039;s one thing that DOES bother me about Wold Newton, though: the fact that all these amazing men and women only came to exist (or at least be formidable) *Because* a meteor irradiated some random people. I dunno, it&#039;s kind of a letdown to assume that the human race could not produce such wonders on its own  (even if we assume the radiation only &quot;awakened latent genes&quot; ala Marvel Comics.) And yes, I know SOME of the WN characters existed BEFORE the meteor, but the REALLY amazing ones came afterwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard of the Wold Newton concept, but I missed on those novels. Maybe I should go read them, since I&#8217;m so disappointed by most comics these days. I have, however, read websites about the setting, so I do know some facts about it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad to hear of Mr. Farmer&#8217;s passing, but as you noted it was to be expected. At least he got one more book out before he left us!</p>
<p>Btw, I can&#8217;t help but smile at the very fact that Wold Newton is, basically, CROSSOVER FAN FICTION. The SAME kind of stuff we fans talk about, argue and even mock online these days. It&#8217;s likely VERY well written Fan Fiction, unlike most of the stuff posted on the Web, but still it&#8217;s basically &#8220;let&#8217;s put these characters from different series together and see what happens.&#8221; On the other hand, some people are dead-set against crossovers (even on TV SHOWS!), as if somehow every series HAD to exist on its own little universe, that the idea alone puts them off from reading or watching one. Their loss.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s one thing that DOES bother me about Wold Newton, though: the fact that all these amazing men and women only came to exist (or at least be formidable) *Because* a meteor irradiated some random people. I dunno, it&#8217;s kind of a letdown to assume that the human race could not produce such wonders on its own  (even if we assume the radiation only &#8220;awakened latent genes&#8221; ala Marvel Comics.) And yes, I know SOME of the WN characters existed BEFORE the meteor, but the REALLY amazing ones came afterwards.</p>
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