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Young Liars Cancelled

According to David Lapham, the book will be ending with issue 18:

Got word yesterday. 18 will be the last. There will be plenty of mind blowing shit in every issue till the last. I’m not going to try and force my “ultimate” ending in there but we will have an end, and as this is a series of endings, I can hold out hope that one day I may see it through to the end I had intended be the end, end..

A real shame, because, as I mentioned the other day in my random thoughts post, this is (was?) my favourite (formerly) ongoing series right now.

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Ok, enough melodrama. I got the first trade, and to be honest, I enjoyed the hell out of this series so far, but am not surprised that it’s over. I wonder if Lapham can take it elsewhere (Dynamite, Image?) and keep it going somehow?

Or maybe Stray Bullets?

I haven’t started reading Young Liars yet. I was waiting for more trades to get collected so i could swoop in and pick them up all at once. It’s a shame—I adore Lapham’s work and I always feel my inability to justify the purchase of these books in pamphlet form helps saboutage their continuation.

I bought the first few issues, then figured I’d wait for the trades. Dammit. This was a good book. I was even hoping he’d be able to sell ‘Stray Bullets’ through Vertigo or something…

Aaaahhhh! Noooo! “Young Liars” has been one of my favorite books in recent times, certainly my favorite Vertigo book. Where will I get my monthly shot of mind-blowing awesomeness now?

This really sucks.

Second favorite Vertigo monthly (behind DMZ)…if the trades sell, maybe they could do this as a series of oversized oneshots, trades, seasons of minis, or better yet ONLINE EDITIONS…online editions for eventual trade is the future for low selling titles without superhero appeal.

The fact that Vertigo could somehow not manage to sell the comic book equivalent of a Chuck Palahniuk novel with the frontman of My Chemical Romance writing an intro for the first trade is basically a testament to DC’s utter failure at knowing how to market anything remotely forward-thinking. But hey, Bill Willingham wants to launch another spinoff for his sub-Gaiman hackery, let’s promote the fuck out of that!

None of this is making me optimistic for the future of The Unwritten. At least Lucifer had the Sandman franchise going for it.

A darn shame.

Thanks for the info (even if it is bad news), Chad!

BOOOOOOO! HISSSSSSSSSSSSS! Lapham will probably be condemned to the spandex ghetto for a while before we get something awesome again.

By the by, for those of you hoping for some different independent project from Lapham (maybe even somehow a continuation of Young Liars), remember that when Young Liars started, he specifically said that he was doing this because he couldn’t really AFFORD to do independent stuff due to the economy.

So man, I dunno WHAT to expect from him now. I’m sure it’ll be good, though, whatever it is.

Andrew Collins

April 17, 2009 at 2:16 am

I picked up the first trade. Enjoyed it but when it came time to pre-order the second volume from Previews, it got cut in some cost cutting measures on my part. I liked the series, but could easily live without it. Which is sadly how I feel about much of Vertigo’s output these days.

Well this sucks. I wonder if that means the 2nd trade supposed to come out in June will be canceled as well. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to release a trade for a dying series.

Tom Fitzpatrick

April 17, 2009 at 3:08 am

Let’s hope that SCALPED avoids being cancelled.
That’d be a real tragedy.

It’s a shame—I adore Lapham’s work and I always feel my inability to justify the purchase of these books in pamphlet form helps saboutage their continuation.

Don’t sweat it. The powers that be will take into account people who will do this when they’re deciding whether to cancel the series or not.

Oh and I believe Vertigo’s current policy is to keep publishing trades of cancelled series

It’s funny… over here a series gets canceled and the comments are basically stating “that’s too bad, it was a great series” with the understanding that the series just didn’t have the sales to keep it going.

Meanwhile you go to other comic news sites out there and FURIOUS posters post messages of venom at television networks whenever a TV series is canceled because it doesn’t have the viewers to keep it going. Ditto for comics series — in fact, I saw posts on other sites furious at DC for “canceling” All-Star Superman, even though Morrison finished the series, curiously enough!

Probably a reason why I visit Comics Should Be Good… posters here are a bit more understanding of how the entertainment industry works and are not so “HOW DARE THEY CANCEL MY SHOW/SERIES!”

It’s a shame—I adore Lapham’s work and I always feel my inability to justify the purchase of these books in pamphlet form helps saboutage their continuation.

DanCJ is correct — Vertigo especially does take trade sales into account when considering the future of the series. In fact, some series — DMZ in particular — sells almost as much in trades as it does in pamphlets, according to the PW sales charts. Of course, it helps if people buy it twice (once in floppy, again in trade), but that’s entirely up to the consumer. The DC Mothership must have a bit of leeway too, or else Jonah Hex would’ve been canceled months ago (and thank goodness it has not!)

As Lapham write in the thread later, the book faced this fate at both issues 12 and 15 previously, so at least it got 3-6 issues more than it could have otherwise. As well, Lapham suggests that he hopes to return to this work at some point, so who knows.

I’m not sure if this is the case for every comics producer, but Brian Clevinger, the writer of Atomic Robo, said he makes a lot more money on trades than he does on floppies. I prefer trades and if I can give the creator more money buying something I prefer, even better.

That being said, Young Liars came out at a time I decided to move to trades pretty much exclusively. I own the first trade and was anxiously awaiting the 2nd this June. Now it sucks that if the 3rd one comes it it is a final one. :(

Furious George

April 17, 2009 at 6:00 am

I’ve been looking for ways to prune my pull lists, but Young Liars would always make the cut. This book is (was) a mindbender and a absolute trip to read. I don’t have the first trade but I’ll show my support for the series and pick it and the others up.

No! No no no no no no no!

This is really upsetting. It’s my favourite monthly at the moment. I recently cut my pull list in a big way, but this is one title I wouldn’t even consider cutting. I guess it means a couple of extra quid for trades each month.

It’s a hard world out there. I really hope he manages to get it (and Stray Bullets) going again somehow. And I hope he knows how much his readers have appreciated the series. It really is (was) something special.

I wonder how he’ll “end” it.

I really hope they collect the rest of the series in trades. Gutted : (

I had considered dropping this to go trade only, but knew the book needed the sales, so I stuck with it – its a damn shame that a book this good can’t get a foothold in the market, but Batman (which I really like by the way) has 8 books coming out in June!

Just wish that the attitude that Didio has towards books like Jonah Hex and Warlord (to keep those kind of niche/genre books going despite lousy sales numbers because the market needs the diversity) can’t be applied to more books across the different DC imprints.

I really though that YL was gaining some word of mouth support, but as someone earlier said, DC just seemed to fail at promoting this book properly to retailers and consumers.

Best of luck to Dave, and know that most of us will eagerly be awaiting your next project and will be on board no matter what it is.

Son of a Biscuit Cutter!

Another Vertigo title I love goes to Limbo. I know Lapham won’t dissapoint his fans with each issue and wrap up his book neatly…and amass a high body count.

This is really awful news. Young Liars was a series I really thought had a lot going for it, and one I was really excited to read each month. Oh well, it was great while it lasted.

Here’s hoping the upcoming trade sales are good enough to justify more Young Liars, maybe in the form of a limited series or two, or preferably an original graphic novel.

I’m not gonna lie. I didn’t like this series. I picked up the first issue about two weeks ago at a local independent bookstore, planning on checking out some trades if I enjoyed it. Unfortunately, I found the whole thing a little cliché, trying too hard to be edgy. “Oh look! She bit his nose off!” “Now they’re talking about blowjobs! How taboo!” I guess all I’m saying is it didn’t interest me. It still sucks that y’all are losing a title you love.

[…] reported by Comics Should Be Good, writer/artist David Lapham has announced the impending cancellation of DC/Vertigo’s […]

“Unfortunately, I found the whole thing a little cliché”

Hahaha. Pity you only picked up the first issue. The series was as original as anything I’ve ever read. I’ll admit the first issue didn’t really hook me either, but the thing about YL is that there’s always more going on than meets the eye.

Indeed. Here’s what I wrote about the first issue when it came out:

I picked this up partly because I meant to last week and didn’t, and partly because of reviews I read online. The reviews were really mixed, but all seemed to suggest that this was worth looking at nonetheless. And it was. I’m not sure exactly what I think about it yet, though. The issue has both good and bad elements. I find the character of Sadie interesting as she has no impulse control and Danny’s influence over her is intresting. But, honestly, not much else in the issue does anything for me. I don’t find myself caring about anyone else–and even with Sadie, I don’t care much, I’m more entertained. This book, though, seems very much about flawed types, rather than flawed characters. The supporting cast are all drawn very broad (and I don’t meant picture drawn, just to be clear) with nothing really new or original about them. That, of course, could easily change. I’m torn on picking up the second issue. I guess we’ll see what my mood is like when it comes out.

And now it’s my favourite book. Go figure.

I’m not sure if this is the case for every comics producer, but Brian Clevinger, the writer of Atomic Robo, said he makes a lot more money on trades than he does on floppies.

This would be an interesting thing to get confirmed. I’d love to know, for example, if the Fables crew receive more money from TPB sales than floppy sales. I’d assume it is true, because production costs on issues keep rising. Hence why the comic book has gone from $1.99 -> $3.99 in a short amount of time, but the costs of the typical trade (I mean typical TRADE, not hardcovers or zangy special editions on ultra-perfect paper) has really stayed pretty stable. But I really don’t know how book royalties work.

Just wish that the attitude that Didio has towards books like Jonah Hex and Warlord (to keep those kind of niche/genre books going despite lousy sales numbers because the market needs the diversity) can’t be applied to more books across the different DC imprints.

Jonah Hex sells about double what Young Liars sells, according the latest PW sales charts. While Vertigo of course has a lower “cancellation cut” number, Hex still sells better and apparently is supported well enough by trades. It would be nice if Vertigo could do the same, but if the sales aren’t there in the first place there’s really not much rope to give.

And don’t jinx Warlord, please! Yikes!

What is the reason for the cancellation? Not selling well enough? It seemed to me like it just started to pick up steam and was becoming more well known. What about all those flattering quotes on the cover every issue?! Surely a book with such high acclaim can somehow manage to stay alive? What’s the deal?

I agree with SacredMantle.

Love it or hate it, this series got people talking about it.

This type of word of mouth should’ve been enough to keep a steady readership, at least for Vertigo standards.

I doubt that Northlanders or even Scalped gets this much press and I don’t see them being cancelled.

Still, it’s a damn shame. I love this series. Every issue was crazier than the other

This is really disappointing. Can’t say it’s unexpected, though. Anything this madhouse was going to have trouble finding a substantial audience. YL and Air, to me, represented a real revitalization of Vertigo, and I can only hope the latter is allowed to continue carrying the torch.

ive bought every issue. this series is what makes me love comics. all u trade waiters can suck it! So whats next Mr. Lapham?

Damn. I wish I could say I didn’t see it coming, but there are far too many comics out there that simply don’t sell, even if they’re fantastic reads.

It may be wishful thinking, but I hope it does get continued someday, if in a different format.

This was my favorite series. It was also the series that best utilized the monthly format of everything I’ve ever read in pamphlets. Those who ignored this series or even trade-waited missed out on a truly special experience, and now I’ll be missing out on my favorite part of the month too. it would be nice to see Young Liars continue, but given that Vertigo does not give full creator ownership in favor of “creator participation”, I have a hard time see it happening.

The best comic out there is gone, and the worst part is that so few even got the chance to read it.

Philip A Moore

April 18, 2009 at 8:32 pm

I haven’t actully been reading this series but I can’t say I didn’t see it coming. No it has nothing to do with bad writing It has to do with an announcment on Newsarama that Vertigo had a new ongoing in the can called Sweet tooth. What this meands in Vertigo lingo is one of our titles is coming to an end. It seems to me Vertigo is only alloud to produce a few ongoings at a time . this can be a pain because it can make a guy not even want to touch anything new from Vertigo. I for one think they should have kept Extermenators and Crossing Midnight going. I espessally miss Midnight I think it waspromted wrong. it was teen book not and adult one . I wont use my ussual send of just this a sad day for any fan

I just wanted to say that Lapham did an awesome job of trying to promote this series too, including his generous offer to not only autograph every copy of the first issue that fans sent to him, but also to send them a sketch of any character of their choice in addition.

Here’s a picture of the sketch of Cassidy from Preacher he drew for me: http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8504/picture15lwp.jpg

(Excuse the poor quality, my webcam was a gift from a roommate who was getting ready to throw it out before he asked me if I wanted it.)

all u trade waiters can suck it!

Don’t be a twat all your life – and learn to use the shift key.

FunkyGreenJerusalem

April 20, 2009 at 11:41 pm

I’ve only got the first trade and Young Liars is one of my fave series!

This totally blows.

. But hey, Bill Willingham wants to launch another spinoff for his sub-Gaiman hackery, let’s promote the fuck out of that!

We don’t have to slag off Willingham to show we love David Lapham do we?

And what a silly charge – style, tone, themes, plot, character types… in none of these does Willingham ever try to emulate Gaiman.
It’s a really absurd complaint – if you don’t like it, that’s cool, but no need to accuse him of hacking from someone else.

I see Fables get that accusation from time to time. Yes they both play with old fairytales a bit, but that’s as far as the similarity goes.

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