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What I bought - 15 April 2009
This week, I protested against the government by not paying taxes on my comic book purchases! Look at me, I'm such a rebel!*
First of all, the only comic you need came out this week. I speak, of course, of this:

You all bought it, right? What? You mean you didn't? Sheesh, you people. I, of course, already own the issues of the series, but the graphic novel is included in this collection, and as it's long out of print, it was handier to simply buy this. Ah, Alison. Why can't writers treat you right?
But let's move on to the single issues!
Elephantmen #17 ("The Monster is Loose!") by Richard Starkings (writer), Rob Steen (artist), Moritat (artist), and Gregory Wright (colorist). $3.50, 29 pgs, FC, Image.
First up, I have to once again thank Richard Starkings for sending me the latest issue of his fine comics periodical, because it's swell of him. I know I gush about this book a lot, but that's because it's gushable. So there.
Ironically, this isn't a particularly great issue. Starkings does a nice enough job with the characters, but the plot itself is a bit recycled, and it's too bad. When last we saw Tusk, he was escaping from the hospital in which he was held for months. In this issue, the cops hunt him down. We see the standard sadistic cops, using their high-powered tasers on small animals as a warm-up to hunting their prey, we see the marginalized human (in this case, a poorly-sighted old woman who's a bit out of her mind) who can't tell that Tusk is inhuman and so doesn't judge him, we get the final confrontation where the humans prove they're as or more monstrous than the creatures they're chasing. This is a staple in fiction like this, and Starkings has done in himself in this series before and better. Of course, it's only one issue, and it's not going to ruin the series or anything, but Tusk's final stand isn't all that interesting, unfortunately. Still, the Erik Larsen cover is kind of fun (it's on the right above), especially because of the disclaimer "Story content may vary from cover." No, that scene does not appear in this comic!
Fables #83 ("The Great Fables Crossover Part 1 of 9: The Call") by Bill Willingham (writer), Matthew Sturges (writer), Mark Buckingham (penciller), Andrew Pepoy (inker), Lee Loughridge (colorist), and Todd Klein (letterer). $2.99, 22 pgs, FC, DC/Vertigo.
The Great Fables Crossover begins rather nicely, as the badger (who no longer wants to be called "Stinky") begins preaching about Boy Blue, and what's neat about the way he does it is that it fits in nicely with the entire idea of Fables - Mr. Dark in Fabletown, whom the Fables still don't know about, becomes a huge, freakish monster, already moving into legend. It's a neat trick - we've come to know these creations as "real," so we occasionally forget that they're myths, and myths change with the telling.
We get the completion of the Bigby/Beast throwdown, and Buckingham illustrates it wonderfully, and then the crossover kicks in, as Jack calls Snow to tell her that the world is about to end. Well, that sucks. As a set-up, it works perfectly well - there's the action of the fight, and then a lot of exposition, but it's interesting exposition, so there's that. As usual with Fables, Willingham chucks a lot of balls up in the air, and the fun is in seeing how they'll all line up eventually. The "religion" of Boy Blue, the animal revolt, the power of Kevin Thorn, Mr. Dark, the evil inside Bigby and the Beast - it's all here! Where will it all lead?
Gødland #27 ("Kill the Wabbit") by Joe Casey (writer), Tom Scioli (artist), Bill Crabtree (colorist), and Rus Wooton (letterer). $2.99, 20 pgs, FC, Image.
I guess Gødland is back on a sort-of regular schedule, which is nice to see. As usual, each page brings a smile to the reader's face (unless you have no soul, of course), from the cover (that awesome dude doesn't even show up until page 19) to the second page, on which Leviticus thinks that Adam "has been touched by the savage finger of the all-knowing," to the ninth page, on which a song in the "key of dream major" begins, to the seventeenth page, on which a tank gets dropped on several soldiers, to the final page, on which the Almighty Decimator does some decimating. All Hail Gødland!
Scioli is marvelous, of course - the designs of Leviticus, with his horse head on his helmet, and Vayikra, with what looks like pure energy undergarments, are stellar. Scioli does a great job taking the amazing cosmic stuff and making it accessible, and when Casey throws something horrific at him, he's perfectly able to shift gears. It's such a beautiful book to look at that the fact that Casey's wonderful scripts come with it seems almost unfair. What a cool comic.
Of course, you already knew that. Sorry for harping on it, but you know how cool this book is and that you should be buying it if you're not already!
Incognito #3 by Ed Brubaker (writer), Sean Phillips (artist), and Val Staples (colorist). $3.50, 26 pgs, FC, Marvel/Icon.
Speaking of characters on covers who barely appear in issues, there's the groan-inducingly named Ava Destruction on the cover of the latest issue of Incognito! She appears in nine panels and disappears after page 3! But who cares - it's a cool cover.
The rest of the issue is devoted to Zack trying to figure out how to get rid of his pal Farmer now that the latter has discovered who he is and is determined to blackmail him into doing crazy shit for him (including a running gag with Farmer's landlord's car). I never understood the idea that a regular person would blackmail someone a lot more powerful than they are, because you always get fucked in the end, don't you? But Farmer is drunk on power, and Zack goes through most of the issue figuring out how to fix the problem.
You rarely hear this in connection with an Ed Brubaker comic, but this comic is pretty freakin' hilarious. I mean, the humor is as black as coal, but it's still pretty funny. But it works perfectly. We rarely hear about what superpowered people do for fun, and while what Farmer has Zack do doesn't really count as "fun," I can believe that he'd do it just to mess with people. The solution to Zack's problem is pretty funny, too, as his confrontation with the two old friends sent to watch Zack who get a bit overzealous in their duty. Phillips, needless to say, is brilliant as well, especially in the one sequence that is deadly serious, a three-panel row that sets up something for future issues (presumably). Oh, and Jess Nevins' essay about The Spider is, predictably, excellent. Damn his eyes!
This week seems to be turning into a litany of books I love that I find difficult to review because they're always so damned good. Will there be more? Keep reading!
Moon Knight #29 ("Down South: Chapter Four") by Mike Benson (writer), Jefte Palo (artist), Lee Loughridge (colorist), and Joe Caramagna (letterer). $2.99, 22 pgs, FC, Marvel.
Yep, it's another one. I realize I continue to be in the minority of comics fans who think Moon Knight is a good comic, but I simply don't care, man. In a world where Dark Avengers sells well, I'd rather be wrong than right, you know what I mean? As we continue with MK's adventures south of the border, we get to see Frank Castle in drag, which has to be worth the price of admission, right? Plus, Palo draws a pretty cool Moon Knight (remember, last issue's final page was the first time we'd seen him in the arc), although his cape approaches McFarlane-esque proportions in a couple of panels. As this is the penultimate chapter in this arc, all the people need to move into position for the final bloodbath, so the Zapata brothers feature prominently, as they find the girl, "ally" with Moon Knight, set up Moon Knight for betrayal, and discuss the merits of Huey Lewis. It's a (relatively) light issue, punctuated by Benson reminding us that our hero is, technically, a bit nutty, as a dead dog talks to him. Yes, I get that an issue that begins with the Punisher killing a bunch of people and later has the Zapata brothers killing a bunch of people might not qualify as "light," but what I mean is that Benson is in full "adventure" mode in this issue, so the tone isn't quite as dark as it's been. It's still a fine comic, and next issue should be fun.
And I love the Mexican colors in the logo on the cover. That's neat.
Rex Mundi #17 ("The Third Day") by Arvid Nelson (writer/letterer) and Juan Ferreyra (artist/colorist). $2.99, 24 pgs, FC, Dark Horse.
First Elephantmen (usually, although not this month), Fables, then Gødland, then Incognito, then Moon Knight, and finally Rex Mundi: A list of comics I love and find difficult to review every month, as their quality hardly ever dips. As this comic hurtles toward its conclusion (two issues after this one to go!), Nelson is ratcheting up the action, but what's great about it is that it doesn't feel forced. The pace hasn't always been this fast, but the way Nelson has set the series up, it feels natural.
I'm a bit disappointed with the way Dark Horse has been soliciting this. You may or may not recall that I was bummed that they gave away a HUGE plot point in their solicitations some months back. So when the event to which they referred occurred, it didn't have as big an impact. Unfortunately, it also meant I didn't really think it was as big a deal as they implied, and this issue proves me right. I know a lot of people read this in trades, so I won't discuss it any more specifically, but I think Dark Horse could have done a better job keeping things on the QT.
Anyway, tons of stuff happens in this issue, and we learn the secret of the Grail lineage, and it's less of a doozy than a logical conclusion, which is nice. Nelson doesn't pull anything out of anyone's ass - he just points out something that's obvious. It's a good, solid twist and sets up an ending that ties back into the political aspects of the comic.
Ferreyra kicks so much ass on this issue and this comic in general that it's almost not worth talking about. There's a good amount of violence in this issue, and it's both gorgeous and extremely uncomfortable to look at, which is a nice trick. One of the nicest-looking panels in the book is someone getting bashed in the face with something heavy, said bashing ripping out their eye and a good chunk of their cheek. It's horrible but mesmerizing. I've said this before, but I'll say it again: Ferreyra is magnificent.
If the book stays on schedule, the comic should end by the end of the summer. While I'll be disappointed by it not coming out anymore, I can't wait to see how Nelson is going to end it. I'm just glad he's getting the opportunity.
Soul Kiss #3 (of 5) ("Let it Die") by Steven T. Seagle (writer) and Marco Cinello (artist). $3.50, 23 pgs, FC, Image.
I'm still struggling to love Soul Kiss, not because of Cinello's art, which seems to get stronger every issue, and not even because of the premise, which is fascinating, but because I'm still not sure if Lily deserves this chance or not. This issue goes a long way toward convincing me that she's a decent character, because instead of being some overconfident bitch, we start to see some chinks in that armor, and the final page is quite a nice ending, both in the art department and in the way Seagle has brought Lily down a peg or two. As this is a five-issue series, I'm curious how this shift, right in the middle of the story (essentially), will change Lily's mission, if at all.
I'm a bit puzzled how Lily isn't getting arrested. She kills three people in this issue, and two of them rather publicly. The second one is clearly witnessed by at least two people. What's up with that? I'm not sure if Seagle is going to address it, but I would think he has to, doesn't he? Or is it a comment on our self-involved lives, how we miss such obvious things happening to people in whom we have no interest? Beats me. But someone ought to call the cops on Lily, is all I'm saying.
Uncanny X-Men #508 by Matt Fraction (writer), Greg Land (penciler), Jay Leisten (inker), Justin Ponsor (colorist), and Joe Caramagna (letterer). $2.99, 23 pgs, FC, Marvel.
Last month, when I bought Uncanny X-Men #507, Dan Bailey wrote "If you're not part of the solution (refusing to buy comics featuring Greg Land's plagiarism), you're part of the problem (the existence of comics featuring Greg Land's plagiarism). You know I'm right." Well, yeah, he probably is, but I flipped through this at the store and some of it didn't make my eyes bleed, and because I really, really, really want to like Fraction's X-Men, I gave it a try. I hope Dan can forgive me for doing my part to bring about the End of the World.
Of course, Land's art still is a big stumbling block in this issue. I mentioned the cover before, but let's consider it: The two figures at the bottom are obviously the same swipe, just reversed (can't he change a little bit to make it less obvious?); Lady Deathstrike looks excessively seductive, not because the character is (she isn't), but because whatever porn model this was swiped from was posing that way; and if there's one humanoid character Greg Land shouldn't draw, it's Spiral, as her extra arms are tacked on randomly, which looks really goofy (to be fair, Spiral is inexplicably often hard for comics artists, who need to be able to draw outer space warthogs, for crying out loud, to make look realistic; Land isn't alone in this). But let's move on!
Fraction drives me insane in this issue, as much as and then a bit more than he has for his entire brief run on the book. The plot involves (wait for it) the resurrection of Kwannon (or possibly Psylocke), which is a monumentally stupid idea but which Fraction manages to pull off with a bit of aplomb. Meanwhile, Beast continues meeting with the X-Club, Emma starts teaching, and Wolverine invites Northstar to join the team. Not that there's any solid roster in the X-books anymore, but there it is. On the surface, it's a fine issue of the main plot bubbling along and then a few subplots thrown in just for spice, which is how I like my Uncanny X-Men. And on a few pages, the art actually looks like Land drew it freehand, or at least with less swiping than he usually does. So there's that.
Of course, the fact that Fraction manages to make the main plot only slightly less awful than it is doesn't absolve him from coming up with the plot in the first place. The Kwannon/Psylocke fiasco was probably the low point, plot-wise, of anything in the main X-books in the past thirty years (with the exception of most of Austen's run, which exists in a separate universe of crap), and even if Fraction read it as an impressionable teenager (I don't know how old Fraction is, but let's say he's younger than I am, and I'm almost 38), he couldn't have thought it was a good idea. I read it as an impressionable 20-something, and although I wasn't quite as cool as others my age who had already graduated to clove cigarettes and Chris Ware comics, even I knew it sucked. When a lowest-common-denominator guy like me knows something sucks, it probably does. Yet Fraction brings it back. It's like Fred van Lente deciding that the Clone Sage is the height of Spider-Man's history and bringing that back. Oh dear - I hope I haven't given anyone any ideas.
Of course, now I want to find that Claremont one-shot to see what's going on with Betsy, because she shows up here a prisoner of Maddie Pryor and her girl-gang of porno lesbians (that's just how I think Land pictures them). And when "Kwannon" wakes up (presumably it's Betsy back in her original body), she doesn't seem to know who she is. Maddie specifically says she's in a "new body." So if it's Betsy, isn't it her "old body"? And if you're going to recruit Betsy, why does she need a new body? She has a perfectly good one! Now, I'm not opposed to Betsy getting her old body back. When I write the X-Men (give in to the inevitable, Joey Q!), I would do it too. So if Fraction is going to return Betsy to her semi-original state, I'm all for it. Unless he's going to make her evil. That would suck. There are ways, however, to return her to her original body without even bringing up Kwannon. It just reminds of a time I'd rather forget.
As usual with Fraction's run on this book, I simply don't like the way he does dialogue. Very few characters have a distinct personality, as they all speak in a devastatingly clever way, as if this is a very well-written sitcom. The demise of narrative boxes in comics means that the characters are solely responsible for exposition, and therefore we either don't get any information or we get information that doesn't sound like the characters speaking in a distinctive voice. Yes, it was extremely annoying back in the day having someone like Rogue exposit in a southern accent, but at least we knew it was Rogue and not anyone else. That's not the case here. And Emma continues to annoy the hell out of me.
You can tell I'm conflicted about this book, right? Sigh. Sales are dropping rapidly, so apparently I'm not the only one. It's frustrating, because the good stuff in the book works well, while the bad stuff doesn't work at all. In some books, the bad stuff is so bad and the good stuff isn't all that impressive, so it's easier to skip it. Here, the good stuff actually gives me hope, so I'm willing to stick with it. It's definitely an inner conflict for me whenever it comes out, though!
Sorry, Dan. I'm part of the problem.
X-Factor #42 by Peter David (writer), Valentine de Landro (penciler), Marco Santucci (artist), Pat Davidson (inker), Patrick Piazzalunga (inker), Craig Yeung (inker), Jeromy Cox (colorist), and Cory Petit (letterer). $2.99, 22 pgs, FC, Marvel.
After a few issues of big happenings, this is a fairly boilerplate issue of X-Factor, as Jamie fights Sentinels in the future and meets a bunch of random mutants, while Rictor and Guido head off to check out Jamie's priest dupe, whose existence they stumble across. And Longshot gets frisky with the client he's supposed to be protecting, while doing a poor job of actually protecting her. David's version of Longshot troubles me (not to the point where I'm going to hope something bad happens to him, like apparently a lot of other people feel), because he acts so worldly and part of Longshot's original appeal was that he was rather naïve in our world (and his own, but perhaps not as much). Since he's come back in these pages, he's kind of smarmy, in a thoroughly charming way, but smarmy nonetheless. Oh well.
It's a fairly well-written issue, with (or course) an inconsistent art team (both pencilers are fine, but different) and David being grumpy on the recap page. Well, maybe he's not being grumpy, but it seems like he is. Don't be grumpy, Mr. David!
Zorro #12 by Matt Wagner (writer), Cezar Razek (artist), Salvatore Aiala (colorist), and Simon Bowland (letterer). $3.50, 21 pgs, FC, Dynamite Entertainment.
Wagner continues with his fun tale, as the guv'ment steps up their efforts to track down Zorro and Diego decides to marry Lolita. Of course, she tells him to go jump in a lake, but at least he compliments her ("her teeth seem sturdy" - what woman wouldn't fall for that?)! There's not much of note going on in this issue, although the plot moves amiably along, with Zorro attempting to gather other caballeros to his cause and the bad guys increasingly frustrated by their lack of killing him. As usual, it's a fine comic, even if nothing stunning occurs.
Last week's totally random lyrics were from "I'm Lost and Then I'm Found" by The Godfathers on their 1989 album More Songs About Love and Hate. It's a kick-ass song on a pretty good album. I saw the band on Saturday Night Live in the spring of 1989, which is odd because I rarely watched SNL. They performed this song and I went out and bought the album the next day. The band didn't last long, but they could write some mean tunes! This week's random lyrics are a bit less obscure!
"One last thing before I quit I never wanted any more than I could fit into my head I still remember every single word you said and all the shit that somehow came along with it still there's one thing that comforts me since I was always caged and now I'm free"
Come on, everyone - scream along! And have a nice day!
* I actually get a 20% discount on anything I buy there, so I never pay taxes. But my version sounds cooler!
- Posted on April 17, 2009 @ 04:23 PM

















31 Comments
DubipR
April 17, 2009 at 4:37 pm
I bought the Essential Dazzler too. Aside from the series and the graphic novel, there's the Beauty & the Beast mini included as well. Worth every penny, my friend!
GoodGirl
April 17, 2009 at 4:51 pm
That Zorro smile looks kind of creepy.
jjc
April 17, 2009 at 5:02 pm
It seems from reading the Fraction article over on CBR (to me at least) that the movement of Betsy from Asian body to English body might be a test to see if the Sisterhood could pull off the feat and that they plan on doing it again with someone else. Say Maddie into Jean?
But that could be me reading the article wrong.
joshschr
April 17, 2009 at 5:14 pm
I bought Uncanny for the first time in years because I am getting #507 for free and thought I would only be half of the problem for a month and see what's up.
WTF! Did the sword panels make any sense at all to you? Did you see the cosplayer throw it? Did Domino throw it? I understand that it has to land somewhere that Domino could use it. I understand that as part of the plot, they need to demonstrate that Domino is lucky, and it's more obvious if a sword some random person had ends up in her hands, but that had to be the terrible-est sequence of panels to make it happen.
And Spiral looked more unnatural than usual. I appreciate Land's porn photo-editing on an aesthetic level, but what a p!$$-poor comic book artist. My money is going to trades of "indy" titles from now on.
The Mutt
April 17, 2009 at 5:17 pm
I've never read Dazzler. I remember her being in the X-Men for a cup of coffee. This is what that cover says to me:
Stripper's Dyke Girlfriend Kills a Guy!
Michael
April 17, 2009 at 5:41 pm
According to the CBR X-Board, PAD describes his mood while composing the recap page as "puckish."
Dan Felty
April 17, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Godland sure is fun. I think we should step back and appreciate that it's lasted 27 issues and is apparently not going anywhere soon.
Does the Dazzler book include the awesome Bill Sienkiewicz covers? I've never considered reading Dazzler, but I've almost been tricked into getting it in cheap bins because of those covers.
I used to get Elephantmen and Rex Mundi (I'm really not getting anything new these days); I'm gonna have to find the recent issues sometime.
The lyrics are Monkey Wrench--I'm surprised to note I've never recognized the random lyrics before. It doesn't seem like we have widely different tastes, but I guess we do. Maybe you're just old (cheap shot!).
Greg Burgas
April 17, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Dan: Yes, the Dazzler book has the Sienkiewicz covers. Unfortunately, they're in black and white. They still look okay, but not as good as in glorious color.
Lawrence
April 17, 2009 at 8:08 pm
After reading the Fraction interview, I'm starting to think the Red Queen isn't Madelyne Pryor but is in fact "Queen Jean" from Ellis/Grant's X-man run. If I remember that run correctly, she needed Nate Grey for his power? So it kind of makes sense that she'd want to try transferring herself into "616" Jean's body for a power boost.
Nick
April 17, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Great reviews as usual. I started reading Moon Knight due to your reviews Greg, and youre right, this last arc has been tremndously fun, with excellent art. What an underated book.
I'm not reading Uncanny though. I really tried to like it, but dropped it a few issues ago. Fraction's X-Men does nothing for me, and it feels almost nonsensical to me.
I also love Juan Ferreyra's art. He did a book a few years back for Image about psychic cops that was done all in grey tones, and it was tremendous.
Andrew Brown
April 17, 2009 at 8:17 pm
I like how Dazzler has the whole Ace Frehley makeup going on. I may have to browse thru this just to see how Sienkiewicz handled her hideous stripper outfit and bling
Greg Burgas
April 17, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Nick: Ah, I miss Small Gods. What a cool book. And you're right - Ferreyra was excellent on that as well. Good to know I converted someone to my Moon Knight cause!
joshschr: The cosplayer does say he's going to throw away his blade, but you're right - he says it while on bended knee, and then in the next panel it's flying over the wall. It would have been much clearer if we'd seen a long shot of him chucking it.
Rebis
April 17, 2009 at 9:53 pm
The best comic I read this week, hands down, was Green Lantern Corps #35. (Which featured an awesome cover of Sinestro that I hadn't seen previewed anywhere, so that was an ever bigger treat. I guess the cover I saw online, featuring Sodam Yat, the Daxamite GL, was the variant art?) Anyway, Peter Tomasi is writing an even better arc than over in the "main" monthly of the franchise, and I love Patrick Gleason's art. Carnage on Oa as a Red Lantern and a bunch of Yellow Lanterns escape their cells ... Sodam Yat and Arisia sneak onto Daxam in a nifty sequence, using stealth to get past an enormous planet-sized snake (!) ... and Sinestro confronts his daughter. (Wait till he finds out she's dating Kyle Rayner, the alley rat.)
At this point, I'm a little concerned that DC is going to ruin Blackest Night by making it too much of an event ... but I enjoyed Sinestro Corps War so I'm hopeful. Right now the GL books are two of only three ongoing titles from DC that I'm buying. (The other being Secret Six.) You oughtta at least page through GL Corps when you're at the shop next, Greg.
Dave
April 17, 2009 at 10:02 pm
I'm pretty sure DC is going to ruin Blackest Night by the sheer fact that they're DC Comics and they've ruined every single event they've attempted so far this decade.
Alan Coil
April 17, 2009 at 10:18 pm
I’m pretty sure Dave is going to ruin my night by the sheer fact that he’s Dave, and his attitude is ruining the internet for me.
Mecha-Shiva
April 18, 2009 at 12:06 am
Can Greg Land draw a female character who doesn't stare straight at me, the reader, with a "fuck me" look? I've seriously never read more than an issue or two that he's drawn of anything, but it creeps me out every time I see it.
Dan Bailey
April 18, 2009 at 6:56 am
*sigh*
Stop enabling Marvel & Land, Greg.
Stop.
It.
NOW.
Dave
April 18, 2009 at 6:59 am
"Can anyone point out any instance where Alan Coil has ever added anything of value to any conversation whatsoever?"
-Dick Hyacinth
Dan Bailey
April 18, 2009 at 10:59 am
It's because of Land's first name, isn't it? If he were, oh, DAN Land, you'd never have given the comic a 2nd look.
Ian A.
April 18, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Why haven't I started reading Moon Knight yet? It sounds enjoyable, and it sure as hell looks great, thanks to Jefte Palo and Lee Loughridge.
I'll order the trades (whatever collects Palo's work, at least) after I change up my pull list next week, I think.
Rebis
April 18, 2009 at 7:02 pm
"I’m pretty sure DC is going to ruin Blackest Night by the sheer fact that they’re DC Comics and they’ve ruined every single event they’ve attempted so far this decade."
That depends on whether you consider "52" an event. (I don't — it was a comic with a gimmick, to be sure, but a great gimmick. and i really enjoyed "52" consistently.) DC did right by that because they kept it small. At the end, trying to cash in on the hit it had become, Didio & Co. added those four "WW3" one-shots, but they were completely extraneous (i didn't buy nor read them, and i enjoyed the main series just fine). They also kept "Sinestro Corps War" small. So we'll see what comes of "Blackest Night." I'll be picking up the main mini-series of that and the two GL comics and probably ignoring all the rest of the tie-ins.
Btw, I don't think DC did much to screw up "Final Crisis." Any struggles anyone had with it pretty much belong to Morrison's storytelling choices. And they kept the rest of their books out of they way, which was fine by me.
Brian Cronin
April 18, 2009 at 9:15 pm
For serious?
DC threw a TON of screw-ups at Final Crisis.
Like, say, "I want to write a stand-alone mini-series" "No, it is going to be the company-wide crossover, and in fact, can we have a year-long series leading into it?"
"Okay, I guess - here are a couple of plot points you can use." "Gotcha, but we're going to avoid pretty much all the plot points you asked for and, in fact, actually have plot points that specifically CONTRADICT your plot points."
"Can we have the New Gods not show up for awhile?" "Okay, how about a mini-series starring them leading directly into your series but not actually based on your series?"
"I don't want to tie into anything" "Here are a bunch of tie-ins!"
"I want 12 issues" "You can have seven!"
"Okay, can I do seven and then just continue the story in other books?" "Sure, that won't cause any problems at all!"
"I'm killing off Hawkman and Hawkgirl" "Okay!" "Wait, did we say okay? Never mind."
"I'm introducing a new Aquaman." "Okay!" "Wait, did we say okay? Never mind."
And then the criticisms come about:
- A year's worth of Countdown stories were sold to fans as "important parts of the story" then revealed to be utterly pointless
- Final Crisis itself wasn't a standard crossover
-The series didn't tie into other books
- Superman Beyond was a vital part of the story yet not published as part of the series.
All of those criticisms came about due to DC pushing things on Morrison that he did not want.
Dave
April 18, 2009 at 11:07 pm
DC actually ruined Sinestro Corps war in my eyes as well when they added a couple months worth of filler onto it after it started selling better than anyone expected, resulting in the deadly dull Sodam Yat-centric issues of GLC and the dragged out pacing in the latter half of the GL issues as well. So despite the fact that the initial special and Superboy Prime one shot were both pretty excellent as far as DC superhero books go, I consider the pacing of the event to be compromised overall to its detriment.
(And then there's the fact that what started out as an awesome intergalactic action event with an ensemble cast devolved into a boring earth-based "Hal Jordan is the best superhero ever!" wankathon by the end, but that's to be expected in any Geoff Johns Green Lantern storyline.)
Omar Karindu, with the power of SUPER-hypocrisy!
April 18, 2009 at 11:31 pm
I'm pretty sure "Blackest Night" is already going the wrong way, because it seems to be a symptom of what I think of as DC's real problem lately -- whatever the last big event was, we get that event times two (or in this case, times 3.5). If Crisis crossovers are sales draws, why, then, let's do an even bigger one with even more tie-ins and lead-ins! If two Lantern Corps are a draw, then seven should be even more of a draw!
Whatever my complaints about the execrable execution of most of them, Marvel's crossovers of late have at least tried to start with distinctive core ideas. It's the difference, I guess, between making the story about the smarmy cynicism of the publishing plan (DC) or giving the story it's very own special brand of smarmy cynicism (Marvel).
Dean
April 19, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Zorro probably knows that any woman that he gets involved with will get abducted and tied up and have to chew through her bonds at some point. Sturdy teeth would therefore be a major plus.
T.
April 20, 2009 at 12:09 am
I agree, DC's editorial decisions and Morrison's storytelling decisions definitely deserve to share the blame together for the problems with Final Crisis. DC editorial definitely shouldn't be let off the hook.
Rebis
April 20, 2009 at 1:36 pm
"For serious? DC threw a TON of screw-ups at Final Crisis."
Brian, I imagine that your list is accurate. But most of it deals with the dreaded "Countdown," which anyone could see was a train wreck after just one or two issues. I read the first one in the comic shop, put it back on the shelf, and that was that. (If I'd started to hear great things about it, I might've given it another chance ... but of course that didn't happen. And having just followed, and enjoyed, one weekly series in "52," I had no particular desire to track another.)
So for me, "Final Crisis" began with "F.C." #1. I bought all seven issues and all Morrison-penned extra chapters ("Superman Beyond," plus "Submit" and "Resist" — i actually don't remember which ones he wrote; I enjoyed them both. Oh, and I bought "Requiem," because I like J'onn, and found it to be a fine memorial/send-off.) So when I say that they didn't screw up "F.C." much, I mean that from the perspective of a selective buyer who had the good sense to pick and choose what he purchased. To an outsider, sure, it was a complete train wreck, unreadable to those who don't know DC lore and especially impenetrable to anyone who didn't know enough to buy all Morrison add-ons. But considering that DC doesn't publish anything these days for the uninitiated (except their Johnny DC titles for young kids), I figure (perhaps incorrectly) that most people have the good sense to approach ANY event with similar discretion.
Also, I couldn't care less if Hawkman or Aquaman are alive or dead at the end. Nobody ever stays dead in comics anyway. Morrison has a special way of messing with the status quo (New X-Men and Magneto, anyone?) that the companies will just ignore as soon as he's gone. And aren't we all used to him introducing great characters and concepts (the UltraMarines, the Seven Soldiers, etc.) that just get ignored? So really, all I was looking for was a good story and excellent art. Mostly I got that out of "Final Crisis" ... Its biggest flaw is the bizarre dovetailing of "Batman RIP" with "F.C.," and who's to say if that was strictly Morrison's doing or if DC mucked that up.
Of course, as Dread Lord and Master at CSBG, you should absolutely hold DC's feet to the fire about all their dumb scheduling choices and editorial interference. But for me — in the wake of "Infinite Crisis" and "Civil War" in particular (both of which contained major plot points in other books) — I'm not surprised anymore when events run off the rails, and I guess I've mostly gone beyond caring. If an event isn't done by creators I really enjoy, then I'm skipping it — and if I do decide to plug in, I'm going to be very selective about it. The completist mentality just leads to an empty wallet and head full of woe over dopey things like "Countdown." (Which I hope you didn't shell out any money for, either.)
Dave
April 20, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Well I suppose Final Crisis did avoid the problem of having "major plot points in other books" by just outright omitting major plot points from print entirely.
Brian Cronin
April 20, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Morrison has explained that that was, indeed, DC's decision.
Basically, every idea Morrison had (and apparently, the same is going for Johns) was treated with, "Hmmm...that's a good idea. But how can we turn that into a crossover?"
Rebis
April 21, 2009 at 11:05 pm
"Well I suppose Final Crisis did avoid the problem of having “major plot points in other books” by just outright omitting major plot points from print entirely."
COL, Dave. [Chuckles out loud.]
And Brian, if you keep reporting the sad sorry facts like this, you're going to turn me into a horrible cynic. I'd like to think that, some day, we readers will once again get to enjoy an event that plays out without any bait-and-switch moves. But the last time I can recall that happening was DC 1,000,000. And that was, what, 10 or 12 years ago?!?
Rob McMonigal
April 22, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Oh my god, Lady Deathstrike has nipples???