Comments on: Erasing Heads of Characters to Improve the Art http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/20/eraing-heads-of-characters-to-improve-the-art/ Comic Book Resources Presents... Comics Should Be Good! Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:02:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Brian Cronin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/20/eraing-heads-of-characters-to-improve-the-art/comment-page-1/#comment-716637 Brian Cronin Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:03:24 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=23033#comment-716637 <blockquote>Come on, can’t Henry have an opinion? </blockquote> Yeah, what the hell, can't Henry just show up to a discussion two months late and takes shots at people without anyone calling him out on it? Come ON, people!

Come on, can’t Henry have an opinion?

Yeah, what the hell, can’t Henry just show up to a discussion two months late and takes shots at people without anyone calling him out on it? Come ON, people!

]]> By: Ed Binn http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/20/eraing-heads-of-characters-to-improve-the-art/comment-page-1/#comment-716606 Ed Binn Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:44:01 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=23033#comment-716606 Come on, can't Henry have an opinion? Kirby fans are idiots for the most part. Colletta did beautiful work, maybe the best inker of all, but because he dared to erase a few figures drawn by St. Kirby he is, instead, villified. Take a look at the cover of Thor 128 for God's sake. Come on, can’t Henry have an opinion? Kirby fans are idiots for the most part. Colletta did beautiful work, maybe the best inker of all, but because he dared to erase a few figures drawn by St. Kirby he is, instead, villified. Take a look at the cover of Thor 128 for God’s sake.

]]> By: Mike Loughlin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/20/eraing-heads-of-characters-to-improve-the-art/comment-page-1/#comment-716367 Mike Loughlin Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:56:46 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=23033#comment-716367 In the second panel, Odin's eyes are closed and his facial expression (not amazingly drawn by Kirby, admittedly) is gone. He looks like he's sleep-fighting. In the second panel, Odin’s eyes are closed and his facial expression (not amazingly drawn by Kirby, admittedly) is gone. He looks like he’s sleep-fighting.

]]> By: buttler http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/20/eraing-heads-of-characters-to-improve-the-art/comment-page-1/#comment-716335 buttler Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:48:55 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=23033#comment-716335 <i>I don’t even know who you are.</i> Are you threatening me?! I don’t even know who you are.

Are you threatening me?!

]]> By: BDaly http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/20/eraing-heads-of-characters-to-improve-the-art/comment-page-1/#comment-716320 BDaly Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:53:17 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=23033#comment-716320 Morena = tool Morena = tool

]]> By: McK http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/20/eraing-heads-of-characters-to-improve-the-art/comment-page-1/#comment-716293 McK Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:39:45 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=23033#comment-716293 <i>I feel like that was directed at me. Was that directed at me? I don’t mind, I just hate it when I miss stuff like that.</i> I don't even know who you are. I feel like that was directed at me. Was that directed at me? I don’t mind, I just hate it when I miss stuff like that.

I don’t even know who you are.

]]> By: joshschr http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/20/eraing-heads-of-characters-to-improve-the-art/comment-page-1/#comment-716291 joshschr Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:23:40 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=23033#comment-716291 <blockquote>Though you could be right because someone posts a poor attempt at “witty” sarcasm on a comic book message board every second. </blockquote> I feel like that was directed at me. Was that directed at me? I don't mind, I just hate it when I miss stuff like that.

Though you could be right because someone posts a poor attempt at “witty” sarcasm on a comic book message board every second.

I feel like that was directed at me. Was that directed at me? I don’t mind, I just hate it when I miss stuff like that.

]]> By: McK http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/20/eraing-heads-of-characters-to-improve-the-art/comment-page-1/#comment-716289 McK Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:03:19 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=23033#comment-716289 <i>How exactly do we know this Henry Moreno guy isn’t just making a sarcastic joke that went over everyone’s heads?</i> Because jokes are supposed to be funny or witty, even those rooted in poor fanboy-ish sarcasm. Though you could be right because someone posts a poor attempt at "witty" sarcasm on a comic book message board every second. It's practically a full-time job. How exactly do we know this Henry Moreno guy isn’t just making a sarcastic joke that went over everyone’s heads?

Because jokes are supposed to be funny or witty, even those rooted in poor fanboy-ish sarcasm.

Though you could be right because someone posts a poor attempt at “witty” sarcasm on a comic book message board every second. It’s practically a full-time job.

]]> By: Graeme Burk http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/20/eraing-heads-of-characters-to-improve-the-art/comment-page-1/#comment-716286 Graeme Burk Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:31:11 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=23033#comment-716286 Okay, while I agree that Colletta was a hack and it's palpably ridiculous to praise him for taking out the character's head-- I mean, come on-- and generally employed all sorts of lazy corner-cutting in his 60s and 70s work particularly, I don't think Jack Kirby is invulnerable from criticism. The panel isn't terribly well composed to begin with. I think Kirby fans suffer some massive blindspots when it comes to his work. Certainly Kirby's work has a powerful raw dynamism that has never been duplicated and when he was on his game he could keep a story moving like no one's business. And I agree he's one of the greats of the industry. But I think people want the myth of King Kirby they won't admit he could draw some horribly clunky stuff too-- there are lots of moments with bad composition and terrible figure drawing. And let's not get into his post-1980 work where everyone suddenly became made of metal. So yes, Colletta bad for omitting a head but not Kirby not necessarily good here. Okay, while I agree that Colletta was a hack and it’s palpably ridiculous to praise him for taking out the character’s head– I mean, come on– and generally employed all sorts of lazy corner-cutting in his 60s and 70s work particularly, I don’t think Jack Kirby is invulnerable from criticism. The panel isn’t terribly well composed to begin with.

I think Kirby fans suffer some massive blindspots when it comes to his work. Certainly Kirby’s work has a powerful raw dynamism that has never been duplicated and when he was on his game he could keep a story moving like no one’s business. And I agree he’s one of the greats of the industry. But I think people want the myth of King Kirby they won’t admit he could draw some horribly clunky stuff too– there are lots of moments with bad composition and terrible figure drawing. And let’s not get into his post-1980 work where everyone suddenly became made of metal.

So yes, Colletta bad for omitting a head but not Kirby not necessarily good here.

]]> By: joshschr http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/20/eraing-heads-of-characters-to-improve-the-art/comment-page-1/#comment-716283 joshschr Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:13:18 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=23033#comment-716283 Yeah, you'd have to be a pretty lazy jackass to claim the headless inked version is better. Inking it correctly should have made the action obvious. Anybody who thinks the penciled version of that panel looks worse than the one that Vince Colletta inked has no business reading anything more visually challenging than Family Circus. Except those "follow the dotted line" panels. I hate those things! Yeah, you’d have to be a pretty lazy jackass to claim the headless inked version is better. Inking it correctly should have made the action obvious. Anybody who thinks the penciled version of that panel looks worse than the one that Vince Colletta inked has no business reading anything more visually challenging than Family Circus. Except those “follow the dotted line” panels. I hate those things!

]]> By: Blackjak http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/20/eraing-heads-of-characters-to-improve-the-art/comment-page-1/#comment-716263 Blackjak Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:42:59 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=23033#comment-716263 <blockquote>Is the bad guy’s mace supposed to be talking?</blockquote> Aha! Suddenly everything is clear! By removing the head, the inker has clarified that the villian actually has a talking weapon! Well-spotted, Cass.

Is the bad guy’s mace supposed to be talking?

Aha!

Suddenly everything is clear! By removing the head, the inker has clarified that the villian actually has a talking weapon! Well-spotted, Cass.

]]> By: Cass http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/20/eraing-heads-of-characters-to-improve-the-art/comment-page-1/#comment-716254 Cass Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:44:31 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=23033#comment-716254 Is the bad guy's mace supposed to be talking? Is the bad guy’s mace supposed to be talking?

]]> By: AERose http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/20/eraing-heads-of-characters-to-improve-the-art/comment-page-1/#comment-716245 AERose Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:39:04 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=23033#comment-716245 "Oh man, he’s kind of right. That first panel is ALL fucked up. I couldn’t make heads or tails of it." On the other hand, the inked and colored panel is kind of messed up too. Whole lotta ugly going on here. Neither man's finest moment, I'll wager. “Oh man, he’s kind of right.

That first panel is ALL fucked up. I couldn’t make heads or tails of it.”

On the other hand, the inked and colored panel is kind of messed up too. Whole lotta ugly going on here. Neither man’s finest moment, I’ll wager.

]]> By: T. http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/20/eraing-heads-of-characters-to-improve-the-art/comment-page-1/#comment-716243 T. Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:26:40 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=23033#comment-716243 How exactly do we know this Henry Moreno guy isn't just making a sarcastic joke that went over everyone's heads? How exactly do we know this Henry Moreno guy isn’t just making a sarcastic joke that went over everyone’s heads?

]]> By: buttler http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/20/eraing-heads-of-characters-to-improve-the-art/comment-page-1/#comment-716239 buttler Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:37:24 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=23033#comment-716239 The disappearing head is obviously the most egregious part of this inking job, but I'm also disappointed by how the dynamic crackathackaboom starburst of impact in the original pencils is replaced by a plain ol' whoosh of motion lines, making Odin's mighty blow look comparatively like a light thump. The disappearing head is obviously the most egregious part of this inking job, but I’m also disappointed by how the dynamic crackathackaboom starburst of impact in the original pencils is replaced by a plain ol’ whoosh of motion lines, making Odin’s mighty blow look comparatively like a light thump.

]]> By: FunkyGreenJerusalem http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/20/eraing-heads-of-characters-to-improve-the-art/comment-page-1/#comment-716232 FunkyGreenJerusalem Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:03:24 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=23033#comment-716232 <blockquote>Funnily enough, I was going to bring up the whole “two month old post” thing myself; namely, that this guy’s way-too-late-to-matter comment would have gone pretty much totally unnoticed without you dragging it back into the light with it’s own brand new post highlighting it. So, no break to be giveth (not by mine own self, in any case).</blockquote> Dude, it's a pretty funny comment - that's why Brian shared it. I got a laugh out of it anyway.

Funnily enough, I was going to bring up the whole “two month old post” thing myself; namely, that this guy’s way-too-late-to-matter comment would have gone pretty much totally unnoticed without you dragging it back into the light with it’s own brand new post highlighting it. So, no break to be giveth (not by mine own self, in any case).

Dude, it’s a pretty funny comment – that’s why Brian shared it.

I got a laugh out of it anyway.

]]> By: Dalarsco http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/20/eraing-heads-of-characters-to-improve-the-art/comment-page-1/#comment-716231 Dalarsco Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:56:55 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=23033#comment-716231 @Mike: I think it looks good. Care to offer a comparison to the original or the Masterworks version? It might just be a matter of personal taste. That being said, it's Kirby. Nothing could make his stuff look bad. @Mike: I think it looks good. Care to offer a comparison to the original or the Masterworks version? It might just be a matter of personal taste. That being said, it’s Kirby. Nothing could make his stuff look bad.

]]> By: Chris Jones http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/20/eraing-heads-of-characters-to-improve-the-art/comment-page-1/#comment-716219 Chris Jones Tue, 21 Apr 2009 04:20:23 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=23033#comment-716219 Oh man, he's kind of right. That first panel is ALL fucked up. I couldn't make heads or tails of it. Oh man, he’s kind of right.

That first panel is ALL fucked up. I couldn’t make heads or tails of it.

]]> By: Matt Bird http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/20/eraing-heads-of-characters-to-improve-the-art/comment-page-1/#comment-716215 Matt Bird Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:36:49 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=23033#comment-716215 Yup, as Mike Blake points out, my comments were based on the preview pages. Yup, as Mike Blake points out, my comments were based on the preview pages.

]]> By: Lee http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/20/eraing-heads-of-characters-to-improve-the-art/comment-page-1/#comment-716214 Lee Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:07:02 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=23033#comment-716214 How recently was that drawing discovered because the villains head may have faded with time. Otherwise this person is an idiot if he thinks the work rate and general quality of Kirby's work; 4 to 5 books a month compared to a contemporary penciller of 1 and maybe a shoddy 2nd is inadequate. Vince colleta may have been an Ok inker but he is not the reason for the Kings success. How recently was that drawing discovered because the villains head may have faded with time. Otherwise this person is an idiot if he thinks the work rate and general quality of Kirby’s work; 4 to 5 books a month compared to a contemporary penciller of 1 and maybe a shoddy 2nd is inadequate. Vince colleta may have been an Ok inker but he is not the reason for the Kings success.

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