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A Year of Cool Comic Book Moments – Day 143

Here is the latest cool comic book moment in our year-long look at one cool comic book moment a day (in no particular order whatsoever)! Here‘s the archive of the moments posted so far!

Today we take a look at the second part of a Suicide Squad issue I’ve already featured!

Enjoy!

A little while back, I showed you the first cool comic book moment from Suicide Squad #10, by John Ostrander and Luke McDonnell.

Batman broke into the Suicide Squad’s homebase to get proof to expose the fact that the government was employing super-villains as operatives.

Last time around, we saw how seeing that she was up against Batman startled even Amanda “The Wall” Waller, head of the Squad.

Now, we see her regain her composure and actually stand up to Batman, as he tries to make his escape…

Awesome showdown. “The” moment is definitely where The Wall “gets” Batman, although this whole scene has a few cool moments in it, like Batman’s “sealed drum” joke and the way that Batman asks her if she’s willing to kill him to keep her secret.

Good stuff.

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“And you expect him to KEEPsuch a vow?”
“He’s Batman.”

I think that’s the moment.

Nice work overall, except for the absence of Karl Kesel’s inks. His work on this title was a career highlight. Too bad he left after the first few issues, although he returned for the key Flag/Tolliver/Cray arc later on. The art looked very static in between that time and the book suffered as a result of it.

I just read this this week. The series is great.

I will admit that I have not read many Batman comics, most of what I know about the character comes from tv, movies, and other moments on here. However, I think this is a mis-characterization of the Batman. He is a man that believes what he is doing is right and will stop at nothing to accomplish his goal. So why is he backing down here? Because she threatened to reveal his identity? That seems pretty weak. He would risk it in order to bring down this organization he is so against (and am I wrong or don’t they kill people too, something else he is very against). And she doesn’t even know who he is she threatens to find out. If anything this is a very weak moment for Batman.

I think Batman figures out that Waller revealing his identity would risk his overall mission, which he still thinks is more important than exposing the Suicide Squad. And like he says, he’s determined to find some other way to expose them. Yeah, it’s a weak moment for Batman, but it has to be in order to show just how tough Waller is. There were many other moments in Suicide Squad that showed she could and would stand up to just about anyone. Waller was really the best and most interesting character in that series.

You really gotta give props to Ostrander: what other writer would make a middle-aged, unattractive (at least according to the stereotype) black women the central character of a superhero comic book, and still make her look cool?

Would Batman be foolish enough to leave prints?

olokin asked
Would Batman be foolish enough to leave prints?
Thank you. I had the same question. I just kept thinking of the first Charlie’s Angels film, and those “tack-on” fingerprints the Angels used to get past Tim Curry’s company’s security system. Seems like something Batman would have, even years earlier.

I personally prefer the Justice League Unlimited version of this confrontation, where Waller already knows who Batman is and when she threatens him, Bruce tells her, “Let’s step into the light together.” They both look really cool in that confrontation.

Though, interestingly, there’s a comic out there that has a statement by Nick Fury (?) that they’ve got a file on Spider-Man as thick as your arm and they STILL don’t know anything about him, and I prefer that to the government already knowing his identity. I don’t know why that is so cool to me and should remain sacrosanct while I’ll give away Batman’s ID for some butt-kicking cartoon interaction.

One moment I like here is that Batman says, flat out, that Deadshot can’t hit him because there’s a problem with Deadshot. That’s a theory I’ve heard before, and seeing it in continuity, with Batman AWARE of it… Cool Comic Book Moment.

BTW, if anyone can point me to the issue where that “thick as your arm” comment is, I’d appreciate it. I came across it on a forum years ago and would like to own it.

Tom Fitzpatrick

May 24, 2009 at 6:49 am

In so as much as cool as Batman is: no matter how smart he is, or how well-trained he is, he is STILL only human and cannot think of everything, no matter what the situation he is in, or what he plans to do.

He’s not perfect, but always tries to learn from his mistakes and improves his skill set on that.
He can’t always win, but he can’t always lose either.

Matthew Johnson

May 24, 2009 at 7:23 am

In the letter columns, a reader made the same complaint about the fingerprints: the editor’s response was “we goofed.”

In a later issue, Sarge Steel has a similar conversation with Batman, though he has no particular evidence; he just says that Batman’s life would be made a lot more difficult if he were to be targeted by the intelligence community. Prints or no, that might be the conclusion Batman comes to here.

Ethan Shuster

May 24, 2009 at 7:55 am

This of course bears some similarities to a scene in the Justice League ‘toon, where Waller basically says she knows Batman’s identity. It was cool there, too.

one of my favorite moments of suicide squad for batman knows that Amanda had him good for stick with his plan to expose the squad and amanda would reveal his true i.d destroying batman for good. a catch twenty two and proving amanda can actuly go toe to toe with the dark knight and walk away . a force not to be messed with.

Yeah, I think the fingerprint thing is stupid. I think if a scene hinges on Batman (Bruce Wayne) being careless, it needs to be shown WHY he was careless. That scene ended way too easy. A Sarge Steel type of response would seem to be more suitable here as well. Are there any scenes where dissing Batman to look cool don’t look like writer copouts? Though I guess the Rucka Wonder Woman one wasn’t too bad though I disagreed with Batman’s characterization there. Or maybe I’m just too much of a Batman fan to agree with any scene where he gets punk’d.

What kind of sound effect is “fok”?

“Or aren’t you aware that you pull your shots around me?” was definately the moment here.

Seems at a later time that was followed up when Deadshot had Batman in his site, Batman called him down and Deadshot said something to the effect of “screw you” and walked away without ever pulling the trigger. Also cool.

Never read Suicide Squad, but I’m very familiar with Luke McDonnel’s art from reading his excellent Iron Man work in the 80′s, and this confirms that if you don’t think he’s a good comic artist, you are objectively wrong.

David Hackett

May 24, 2009 at 3:00 pm

Yeah the Deadshot reveal is the moment for me as well. It’s followed up on in the first Deadshot mini, where it’s revealed that Lawton subconsciously identifies both Flag and Batman with his dead older brother (who Floyd accidentally killed the only time he ever missed). I suspect the same connection extends to Catman now in the Secret Six series.

“In the letter columns, a reader made the same complaint about the fingerprints: the editor’s response was “we goofed.”

In a later issue, Sarge Steel has a similar conversation with Batman, though he has no particular evidence; he just says that Batman’s life would be made a lot more difficult if he were to be targeted by the intelligence community. Prints or no, that might be the conclusion Batman comes to here.”

That’s possible.

It’s also possible that Batman did this for his own purpose.
He left fake prints, but wanted to avoid the suspicion he did leave fake ones.
Maybe the fake prints he left belonged to the president or Amanda Waller, etc. That would have been fun.

It is a series of ‘moments’ but it is Flagg’s reaction to them ‘beating’ Batman that I really like.

On the equivalent JLU moment: although the intention was that Waller knew exactly who Batman was (as is eventually seen in Epilogue), I always thought it was great that her “rich boy” line could be read as an incredibly awesome bluff. Of course Batman would HAVE to be rich, and for all Batman knows that’s all she has, but he can’t take that chance.

Having her present actual evidence here diminishes the coolness factor a bit.

I read this issue when it came out. It let Batman be cool for awhile then Waller gets her turn. I was bugged by the whole fingerprint issue at the time. I think Batman may have underestimated the situation but it wasn’t the prints (he had used some kind of fake prints as others speculated) that was the problem but the fact he was surrounded by way too many super villians with powers and guns. Maybe he rather they think Waller had outsmarted him with the fingerprint threat than to admit that he really couldn’t kick all their assess and escape from this particular “sealed drum”. So he let’s Waller win her bluff so he maintain his other bluff that is the cornerstone of his whole mystique: Batman’s the scariest SOB in the DCU and he can get out of anything.

Could also be that he didn’t want to lose the “Matches Malone” ID, that he just let her think she had a line on his real ID to protect “Matches.”

I pretty much agree with what Matthew Johnson wrote:

…Batman’s life would be made a lot more difficult if he were to be targeted by the intelligence community…

I’ve read and reread that issue and the letter column in the subsequent issues and it’s surprising to see the same argument hasn’t changed in twenty years.

He knows he didn’t leave prints or knows they’ll be traced back to dummy ID. It’s Batman. But I choose to think that it was Waller’s conviction with the obvious government backing she had that it was enough to make him back down. Besides, Waller’s got a good argument and the Squad did(does?) good work and Batman is allowed to change his mind.

The moment for me is Flag’s reaction and Waller re-instating him. She had wanted the Bronze Tiger to lead and been forced to use Flag and had resented it and him.

The “fingerprints” line was a little silly in retrospect. While Batman hadn’t risen to his god-like levels of preparation by that point, as a detective it’s not something he’d neglect. Of course popular media has made it appear fingerprints are much easier to get than they actually are. Half the time, no usable prints are ever found in real life. I suppose it was necessary to have the cool confrontation and leave the status quo intact.

If you think about it, and Frank Miller did, Bruce Wayne would be the first name on the list to either be Batman or at least funding him. He’s the right age, weight and build. He’s immensely wealthy and can afford “those wonderful toys”. He watched his parents gunned down by a mugger at an impressionable age and received no apparent therapy.

The line to Lawton was my favorite. It was one of the rare instances where it’s explained why a villain who is supposed to be the best at something never succeeded in killing the hero.

Yeah Batman forgetting that they could track him and get his fingerprints seems a little silly. He doesn’t have to be all-knowing to have seen that potential problem coming.

My favorite is where Batman tells Deadshot that he pulls his shots around him.

The thing about Batman is that writers either seem to “Marty Stu” him or go to the other extreme end and make him more incompetent than he should be. There’s rarely anything in the middle. Bat’s mistakes in how he infiltrated the prison are so obvious… it just doesn’t seem like something he’d do.

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