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Comic Book Legends Revealed #211

Welcome to the two-hundred and eleventh in a series of examinations of comic book legends and whether they are true or false. Click here for an archive of the previous two hundred and ten.

Comic Book Legends Revealed is now part of the larger Legends Revealed series, where I look into legends about the worlds of entertainment and sports, which you can check out here, at legendsrevealed.com.

You know, I think last week was the FOURTH anniversary of this column. Pretty neat, huh?

Let’s begin!

COMIC LEGEND: Uncanny X-Men #401 had a scene where a government official shown being with a prostitute was changed from Rudy Giuliani to Bill Clinton.

STATUS: True

Uncanny X-Men #401 was, like all the other Marvel books that month, a “silent issue,” that is, an issue without any dialogue or thought balloons or captions.

A couple of issues earlier, writer Joe Casey introduced us to Stacy-X, a mutant who also happened to be a prostitute (who worked at a ranch with all mutant prostitutes, similar to the Mustang Ranch in Nevada).

In Uncanny X-Men #401, we see Stacy-X with a client, and although it is a silent issue, you can still pretty plainly see that artist Ron Garney has drawn former President Bill Clinton.

But here’s the kicker – as a novelty, Marvel posted (partially at the end of the issue and in full on their website) the SCRIPTS for these issues, so you would know what the artist had to work with. And on the Marvel website, we got the following description of pages 11 and 12…

PAGE ELEVEN

TWO PANELS

Panel 1.

Inside the bedroom now. Candlelight causes eerie, flickering lighting. Angle on the door, carefully being pushed open by Wolverine, who is already taking a cautious step into the bedroom. He’s already seeing something off-panel that puts a look of extreme disappointment on his face.

Panel 2.

Big panel on the page. Wolverine’s POV, looking into the master bedroom of the mansion (so it’s pretty big). Candles lit all over the room. Lots of shadows. Zooming in on the king-size bed, which is completely trashed. Drenched with sweat. Sheets wadded up at the foot of the bed, pillows ripped apart, feathers leaking out. There are night tables on either side of the bed (upon one is a beeper/pager that you might want to establish here). In the middle of the bed, completely laid out on his back, spread eagle like a sexual slave, is Rudolph Giuliani (since this is the silent issue, we can get away with this if we’re smart about it… not naming him by name, try to get his likeness as close as possible. Those in the know should absolutely get the joke… the one or two X-Men readers who might be at all politically aware…). Giuliani is wearing only boxer shorts, a torn wife-beater T-shirt and his designer dress shoes. He’s also wearing one of those “sleep blindfolds” that rich people sometimes wear (why, you might ask? Because even though we’re not naming names, I’ve been told we need to be very careful with the Guliani likeness… thus, the blindfold partially hides his face). He’s so whacked out, he doesn’t even know where he is. He’s got a dizzy smile on his face. Some serious sexual stuff has been going on in this bedroom…

PAGE TWELVE

FIVE PANELS

Panel 1.

Wolverine walks over to the bed, in the flickering candlelight. Giuliani doesn’t even register his presence. Wolverine is looking down at the Mayor, disgusted.

Panel 2.

Small panel. Angle on the beeper/pager on the night table, which is now vibrating and lighting up.

Panel 3.

Another small panel. Wolverine’s head whipping around as the beeper (off-panel here, obviously) gets his attention. The candlelight flickering on his face.

Panel 4.

The beeper in the foreground, at the bottom of the panel. Wolverine above it, looking down at it, reaching down with one hand to pick it up. The shadows of the room in the background behind him.

Panel 5.

Wide panel. Action shot. Wolverine (now holding the beeper) in the foreground, whirling around as Stacy X (wearing her skimpy X-uniform) leaps out of the shadows in a kung-fu style kick. She looks pissed off. Wolverine doesn’t look surprised at all… he was waiting for her to make her move.

So yeah, there was a change from the script to the book.

The natural presumption is that it had something to do with 9/11, but I do not know for sure.

Joe, if you’re reading, let us know!

Thanks to my CBR pal worstblogever for posing this one to me the other week!

COMIC LEGEND: Marvel was planning to turn Starfox into a villain during the late 1990s.

STATUS: False

The Titan known as Eros was a longtime Marvel supporting character (mostly in relation to his brother, the evil Titan known as Thanos) when he eventually joined the Avengers in the early 1980s during Roger Stern’s run on the book.

Starfox had the ability to stimulate the pleasure centers in nearby people’s brains. This made them very keen on helping him.

Well, as you might imagine, for a guy like Starfox who was known to sleep with a lot of women (including some of his teammates), later writers began to think, “Hmmm…that’s a little troublesome, as far as powers go.”

In the late 1990s, Starfox appeared with all then-living members of the Avengers when the title restarted with Kurt Busiek and George Perez on the book.

Like most of the Avengers, Starfox was written off in Avengers #4, when Busiek had to pare the group down.

Busiek killed two birds with one stone when he had Starfox and fellow Avenger Tigra go off together on an outer space jaunt.

Tigra and Starfox showed up again a couple of years later in a Cosmic Avengers mini-series, written by Roger Stern…

But in the time between, there was going to be a Starfox one-shot written (and drawn, I believe) by Tom Brevoort’s former assistant (I dunno if he was actually former when the issue would have come out), Gregg Schigiel.

Marvel’s numbers guys eventually killed the project due to the fact that they didn’t think anyone would buy a Starfox one-shot.

In any event, the one-shot had a lot of buzz due to the fact that Schigel gave an interview about the upcoming project talking about how Starfox’s powers would really lend themselves to villainy, now wouldn’t they? Controlling people’s minds and the like. And Schigel said that he would be giving the readers a whole new take on Starfox.

So soon, Schigel’s one-shot became known as a “Dark Starfox” project.

Schigel talked about the project a bit with Jamie Coville at the time (I’d love to give you a link, but it seems like the Collector’s Times is down at the moment)…

Coville: You have a Starfox One shot coming out soon, can you tell us about it?

Schigiel: Oh, sure I can tell you about it.

The first thing I can tell you is that it looks like it might not be coming out after all. Actually, that might be an exaggeration. I’ve just recently learned that the marketing/sales folks at Marvel have decided they “can’t sell” a Starfox one-shot, and that it’d lose money, so it’s been put on indefinite hold. Suffice it to say, I’m not thrilled by the news. It’s a project I’ve been wanting to do for years now and it was happening. Now, it apparently is not. Then again, I haven’t given up on it. I’m still gonna see what I can do with it, see if there’s some way to have it see print. I mean, I’ve talked to Mark Powers about it and he feels the same way I do. We want this thing to happen.

Barring that, I can say that the story is something different, a type of story Marvel hadn’t done in a LOOONG time. A lot of fun. It’ll catch all the online folks by surprise, definitely. I want the people who’ve been talking about it to actually see it, you know? I’ve been reading the posts, I’ve been seeing what people have been saying about how I described the one-shot. I want desperately to read those same people’s comments after this thing comes out…whenever it comes out.

But anyway, just for the sake of answering the question, I can tell you the one shot stars Starfox and Thanos, predominantly. Avengers, X-Men and members of the Fantastic Four appear and play a role as well. But even with all these characters, it’s a very basic, simple story, something I think a lot of people would relate to in some way, and enjoy, even if they don’t necessarily agree with it.

Basically, I look at the character and I think one thing, and that’s the thing everyone thinks of him. I took that one thing and spun a story out of it. Again, it’s a different kind of story. It’s NOT traditional. It’s NOT typical. It’s, well, again, I don’t want to give anything away with it. Within the first five pages though, the premise is well established and all the mysteries will fall away. It’s gonna be a scene, baby, a straight up scene. People will love it or hate it, but this book’s got merit. Now if only the people that can help prove that would get off this “unsellable” kick. It’s not a good thing.

It presumes that something IS “sellable”. Now, I don’t mean to be a pessimist, honestly. I love comics, I hate saying this stuff myself, but here it is. Basically, the claim is that a one-shot starring Starfox won’t sell, or rather, won’t make money. OK, that presumes SOMETHING can sell. I’ve seen the numbers. I know how they’re going. They’re going down, some more drastically than others. There was a time when books were selling, easily, in the multi-100,000 copy range. Heck, books were breaking a million copies sold! Now, a #1 issue opens at MAYBE 50 to 60,000 copies. Even books like X-MEN or AVENGERS have declining sales. It’s a slowly slipping slope, and it’s scary. But the point is that how can one claim to not be able to sell something when there’s not really proof that they can sell ANYTHING?

Because of the book never actually being made, Schigiel never got the chance to talk about it more than his initial interview, and as you can see from his talk with Coville, he makes it clear that the initial interview was intentionally misleading.

So it was left to his former boss, Tom Brevoort, to clear the air on USENET back in 2003…

Since it no longer really matters, there was a one-shot, titled something like STARFOX’S SPRING BREAK SPECIAL, which would have been a light-hearted romp, heavy on the comedy. It also was somewhat influenced by the then-current Andy Kaufman mania surrounding the release of “Man On The Moon.” So when Newsarama got wind of the project, creator Gregg Schigiel gave a bizarre nonsensical interview purporting to tell what the project was going to be about. He intended to keep doing odd interviews about the thing, in order to confuse and befuddle everybody, up untitl the book came out. But at some later date, the decision was made not to proceed with the project, and so all that was left was the nonsensical cover story.

Dan Slott ultimately did a storyline in She-Hulk where he addressed Starfox’s “pleasure” powers.

Thanks to Tom Brevoort for the inside info! That Brevoort’s such a helpful guy, isn’t he? And thanks to Jamie Coville and Gregg Schigel for the info, too!

COMIC LEGEND: Fabian Nicieza and Erik Larsen had a proposal in to be the creative team on X-Factor before Peter David got the nod.

STATUS: True

As you all saw from the Chris Claremont Comic Book Legends piece a few weeks ago, things were definitely a bit up in the air at Marvel regarding the X-Titles circa 1991, with different creative teams set to take over basically every title in the whole X-line of comics (except for Wolverine – and, I suppose New Mutants becoming X-Force was a change of TITLE, not creative team).

Well, one of the pitches for X-Factor was by Fabian Nicieza and Erik Larsen, who were working under the basic set-up that the book was going to be by Marvel editorial, which is that it would be a replacement for Freedom Force.

This is what Nicieza and Larsen came up with…

First off, you might notice a familiar face – Horridus, a character Larsen later used in Savage Dragon and Freak Force…

Horridus was to have been a to that point unseen member of the Morlocks.

Also, as you can see, the fellow with the Stars and Stripes costume is basically Larsen’s later creation, Super-Patriot…

At the time, though, that was Crimson Commando, who had been badly hurt in a story that appeared in the 1991 X-Annuals (New Mutants Annual #7, Uncanny X-Men Annual #15 and X-Factor Annual #6), which was written by Fabian Nicieza.

As it turned out, Commando suffered those injuries as SET-UP for this pitch…

According to Larsen…

He [Nicieza] suggested that we screw around with a character named the Crimson Commando and turn him into a half cyborg guy. Fabe sent me a drawing of a guy with a flag wrapped around his face at an angle and other oddly inspired components from various sources. I junked it from the neck down, straitened [sic] out the flag and gave it somewhat of a skull look and we had our new improved Commando (Fabian even went so far as to screw up the Crimson Commando in the pages of the X-Annuals…)

Notice that they were even using the “strong woman” version of Polaris, which was what she was set up as at the time in the X-Men boosk.

However, for whatever reason, Nicieza and Larsen did not get the gig and it went to Peter David and Larry Stroman, instead.

Peter David stopped by in the comments to note that he was actually assigned the book, rather than pitching for it. That makes sense, as I’ve seen other reports that Nicieza and Larsen’s pitch went a bit further than just a “pitch,” and they actually had done cover mock-ups featuring basically the same X-Factor team lineup that David took over, so it’s likely that their pitch went a bit further before they were taken over and the book given to David.

Larsen took the Crimson Commando character and had him show up in the pages of Larsen’s Spider-Man, as Cyborg X.

If you note, Cyborg X’s dialogue is actually taken directly from Crimson Commando’s last appearance.

In addition, his teammate Avalanche’s name? Dominic.

Eventually, Super-Patriot and Horridus DID end up on a team together, Freak Force…

That Freak Force cover reportedly has the same basic design as Larsen’s cover mock-up for his first issue of X-Factor, just put Guido in place of Barbaric (the big red guy), Polaris in place of Rapture (the electricity lady), Havok (?) in place of Mighty Man and I guess Dart and Ricochet taken out of the picture all together.

It’s also worth noting that Marvel eventually went with the cyborg route with Crimson Commando, as well, when J.M. DeMatteis was writing X-Factor (he was now just plain ol’ Commando)…

Thanks to Lia Brown’s nifty Freedom Force site for the head’s up and thanks to Superpouvoir.com for the helpful scans. Oh, and of course, thanks to Erik Larsen for always being so helpful with his comic book history. Also, thanks to Peter David for sharing a bit of HIS comic book history, as well!

Okay, that’s it for this week!

Thanks to the Grand Comic Book Database for this week’s covers! And thanks to Brandon Hanvey for the Comic Book Legends Revealed logo!

Feel free (heck, I implore you!) to write in with your suggestions for future installments! My e-mail address is cronb01@aol.com.

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When did Polaris become “strong girl”? I thought that the relaunch of X-Factor took place shortly after the Muir Island saga with the Shadow King mess and in the run she still had magnetic powers. Was this going to be explained during the Nicieza/Larsen run?

“Those in the know should absolutely get the joke… the one or two X-Men readers who might be at all politically aware…”

Ow! Burn!

” When did Polaris become “strong girl”? I thought that the relaunch of X-Factor took place shortly after the Muir Island saga with the Shadow King mess and in the run she still had magnetic powers. Was this going to be explained during the Nicieza/Larsen run? ”

IIRC, Polaris lost her magnetic powers in favor of being bigger and stronger around Uncanny 250, amidst the Zaladane story. I don’t remember when she switched back, but it’s possible that at the time this Erik Larsen relaunch was planned, it was before the Muir Island Saga and they could have gone with that direction.

Seeing that image makes me very, very grateful that we got David/Stroman instead.

When did Polaris become “strong girl”? I thought that the relaunch of X-Factor took place shortly after the Muir Island saga with the Shadow King mess and in the run she still had magnetic powers. Was this going to be explained during the Nicieza/Larsen run?

The relaunch took place after the Muir Island Saga, but when the pitches were being made (late 1990, I suppose), Polaris was still sans-magnetic powers and had super strength and invulnerability, instead.

I believe it was the addition of Guido to the team that was the impetus for the return of her magnetic powers.

a Starfox one-shot written (and drawn, I believe) by Tom Brevoort’s former (I dunno if he was actually former when the issue would have come out), Gregg Schigiel.

Brevoort’s former what?

Brian (from the Starfox piece):

“But in the time between, there was going to be a Starfox one-shot written (and drawn, I believe) by Tom Brevoort’s former (I dunno if he was actually former when the issue would have come out), Gregg Schigiel.”

Brevoort’s former what ?????

” “Those in the know should absolutely get the joke… the one or two X-Men readers who might be at all politically aware…” ”

I’d hardly dispute the narrow interests that super-fans tend to suffer from, but come on, thinking they wouldn’t recognize Rudy Guliani ( even pre-9/11 ) is hitting below the belt.

Man I’m so glad they didn’t go with that pitch for X-factor we would have lost both excellent David X-Factor runs. And Larsen would have left anyway, leaving that revamp dead in the water. That team would be a 90s footnote at best.

The Larsen X-factor designs are horrible.. except for Pyro.. He actually looks pretty cool.

While that particular X-Factor pitch doesn’t count, I’d love to see a Comic Book Legends post (or even a Top 5 List) of interesting proposals that never got the go-ahead. Besides all that interesting Claremont stuff from a couple weeks back and the Superman 2000 pitch Grant, Mark and Tom did. Keith Champagne did a very cool Royal Flush Gang proposal that he posted on his website a few years back. Stuff like that…

Wow, many thanks for that X-Factor piece. Always interesting to see “how things coulda turned out” and the origins of random comic book characters who were meant for somewhere else…

The Crimson Commando/Cyborg X stuff is equally interesting. (Has CC appeared since then?)

BTW, that is Pyro in the group shot right?

…And of course, we X-Factor readers got the better end of the deal when the book went to PAD. Larsen’s take looks like something Liefeld would have puked up in a convention hall bathroom while bummiing for his next coke fix.

So wait, doesn’t that mean that Fabian Nicieza should get co-creator credit for Super-Patriot?

From what I’d heard, Marvel planned the silent issues before 9/11, but they were released afterward (a strange coincidence). Maybe the scene was written pre 9/11 and drawn post 9/11 (or had changes post 9/11). Having Rudy in such a position at such a time would probably have raised a shitstorm. And well, it’s just Bill…

I dunno!

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That Freedom Force back-up story was intense at the time. The team was just butchered.

While that particular X-Factor pitch doesn’t count, I’d love to see a Comic Book Legends post (or even a Top 5 List) of interesting proposals that never got the go-ahead.

I think in general that would be a great premise for a “What If?” or Elseworlds anthology series at either of the big 2. Reunite writers and artists to do storylines based on rejected proposals they came up with in the past.

I’d hardly dispute the narrow interests that super-fans tend to suffer from, but come on, thinking they wouldn’t recognize Rudy Guliani ( even pre-9/11 ) is hitting below the belt.

I don’t think it’s an issue of recognizing Giuliani or not, but of being aware that one of the things he was known for was having an affair. If you want a famous philanderer, it’s hard to find a bigger target than Clinton…

I might be wrong, but i believe Crimson Commando’s next appearance was, strangely enough, in X-Factor. It was after Peter David left, #102. And actually, he looks kind of similar to Larsen’s design.

packy, that’s right. It was actually X-Men Annual #2 from 1993. I believe that appearance followed his Cyborg X appearance in Spider-Man but he visually more resembled his old red costume with the cyborg improvements similar to SuperPatriot.

Re the What If/Elseworlds idea, I both enjoyed seeing in print, but was also dismayed, at the What If which was based in part on Claremont’s original Death of Phoenix plans. It included Jean having the Phoenix removed, but it also included the later retcon of Phoenix as a different entity and Jean at the bottom of the bay, and of course it didn’t lead up to Jean refusing Magneto’s temptation to get the power back, but was another grim ending instead.

Yeah, Crimson Commando debuted his new cyborg look in X-Men Annual #2 (as did a new look for Avalanche). I think he was called just “Commando” after that, which was a shame. I think he ended up as event canon fodder somewhere down the line.

I assume the guy in black in the X-Factor proposal is Larsen’s redesign of Havok? The look presages his Age of Apocalypse look a bit.

If nothing else (and there probably was nothing else), Commando’s new look made for a helluva cool toy when I was a kid:

http://www.backtothepast.biz/pictures/100_5002.jpg

Hey Brian.

The latest Comics Critics comic got me wondering.

What *WAS* the deal with the introduction of a new Jim Corrigan during Gotham Central (was it?). You know, the one who looked just like the original Jim Corrigan but ended up killing Crispus Allen. Why did they even bother doing that? Was there something else to it? Was there a plan to re-invent The Spectre?

And by “re-invent the Spectre”, I mean “not with the Crispus Allen character”.

All in all, I’m asking, “was Crispus Allen really originally intended to become The Spectre, and why did they involve a Jim Corrigan if it wasn’t the original?” Was there just something spiritually zen to it, or was something else in the works that never saw the light of day?

Commando – the hero without underwear.

That Flash Gordon-looking design of Larsen’s is pretty cool looking. Don’t know much about X-Factor–is that Havoc?

Yeah I’m curious too, is the “other guy” Havok?

And I absolutely loved that annual where Freedom Force got taken out, Mainly because Avalanche going back for CC. Was hoping we would see more of a “bromance” with them, kind of like Catman and Deadshot in secret six

The new Corrigan was a red herring. That’s all.

I like the Pyro thumbs up.

Pyro looks sick. They should consider that look for someone else..mayb a dark young avengers “Melter” mayb??

I mean he rolling around in a spider man tee shirt wit a rag on his face.

I wasn’t really reading comics back in the 90′s..I was worried about grade school and listening to Nas cd’s but g’zzz I sure missed out on some interesting stories.

And I can obviously see that’s Bill Clinton and not Rudolph G. I mean look @ the family foto by the bed. Its Hillary and Chelsea..does Rudolph even have a red head daughter???

I see they’ve worked out a way to use the auto-links to sites that mention your blog into a marketing mechanism.
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…has nothing to do with this site, but takes you to one with a box on the side saying Make Big Money Writing Blogs: it’s just a scam to drive readers to their site, as far as I can tell.

That’s interesting. I had no idea that Fabe and Erik had a pitch in on “X-Factor.”

Me, I never did a pitch on it. They just came to me and said, “Here’s the team, we’d like you to write it.”

PAD

Come to think of it, it looks like Erik adapted Pyro’s mask into Star, too. The eyepieces, anyway.

The other Corrigan as a red herring… :( Well, that explains why the whole thing fell so flat to me. Having him in there *just* as a red herring — without, say, some deeper story meaning, or even explanation — bleah.

Master of Run Fu

June 12, 2009 at 2:49 pm

What’s a boosk?

That She-Hulk cover is horrific. Greg Horn, ugh.

@ o.t.o. – You were better off in school. Mainstream comics in the ’90′s sucked. SUCKED. Ask anybody. The ’80′s were better. (Right, fellas? Or Prove Me Wrong.) Hell, the ’70′s were better. (This may be debatable.)

I was sixteen when I first met the Crimson Commander. I never knew he became a cyborg and later, a creation of Erik Larsen. (Of whom, I will not say a bad word EVER, for his is … Kirby’s Man! Dare I Say It? ‘NUFF SAID!)

Keep them columns comin’, Brian! We’ll GET you that winner at Pimlico, Billy! Just you wait!!!

See, that’s just it. I can’t see the point of adding a Jim Corrigan who even looked like the same guy and just outright make it a red herring. I think he BECAME a red herring, but was originally intended to be something else.

It’s like if, during the Kyle Rayner GL run, they introduced a blonde crew-cut police scientist background character named Barry Allen.

Matthew Grayson

June 12, 2009 at 5:55 pm

I don’t see why they had to use any real political figure in that X-Men issue. It is almost as bad as how Marvel was going to originally have Princess Diana come back to life as a mutant in X-Force.

Me, I never did a pitch on it. They just came to me and said, “Here’s the team, we’d like you to write it.”

That actually makes a lot of sense, Peter, as apparently, by the time Fabian and Erik were no longer going to do the book, their team lineup was basically your team lineup.

Interesting how similar the X-Factor and Freak Force logos are. Never noticed that before.

For what its worth, I think a government built cyborg Commando could have been a great addition to X-Factor.

Ah, synchronicity. I picked up a collection of David’s ‘But I Digress’ essays from the early nineties this very afternoon. In addition to making me feel freakishly old, there’s a mention of Larsen’s infamous quote about how the Image boys were on the verge of dazzling the world with their unfettered creativity, since they had been holding back while toiling in the coal mine that Stan built.

It was obviously a pile of horse-pucky hype – and not even the most egregious example of the kind of baloney that was flying thick and fast in those days – but it’s still amusing to see that the fellas really had nuthin’ up their sleeves, even if it’s almost 20(!) years after the fact.

ParanoidObsessive

June 12, 2009 at 9:27 pm

>>> I’d hardly dispute the narrow interests that super-fans tend to suffer from, but come on, thinking they wouldn’t recognize Rudy Guliani ( even pre-9/11 ) is hitting below the belt.

I have a sneaking suspicion that this is why the character that appeared in the story was actually changed – the assumption that comic fans in general were too stupid to recognize Giuliani, so they’d better use a more recognizable politician instead. Plus, well, Clinton sort of lends himself to sexual jokes, doesn’t he?

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>>> Well, as you might imagine, for a guy like Starfox who was known to sleep with a lot of women (including some of his teammates), later writers began to think, “Hmmm…that’s a little troublesome, as far as powers go.”

That was actually present almost right from the beginning – right after he first revealed the fact that he HAD that power, Wasp spent a fair amount of time feeling incredibly awkward around him, and eventually told him outright that not only was it disturbing that he could do that, but that he also never bothered to tell anyone (or deliberately kept it secret). His defense was something along the lines of “I never do it to friends… unless they ask!”, and it was probably the earliest attempt to head off people complaining about his magic rape power.

>>> When did Polaris become “strong girl”?

It’s already sort of been explained, but just to flesh it out a bit more, in Uncanny X-Men #250, Polaris is basically abducted by Zaladane, and has her magnetic powers stolen from her. Right after, she immediately becomes super-strong and grows taller. At the time, it was implied to be a secondary mutation – but later, during the Shadow King storyline, it’s implied her actual power was to become a battery for negative emotional energy, both absorbing and amplifying it. Her strength came from channeling that energy into her body, and when the Shadow King was killed and she was freed from the psychic web he’d put her in to drain her negative energy (in Uncanny #280), she’d reverted back to her normal magnetic powers.

So she was basically “Strong Girl” for about 30 issues, from 1989 to 1991 or so. Though she wasn’t actually IN many of those issues. If the decision to change her back was a late one, it makes sense that they would have been planning to have her be the super-strong and really tall version instead of the normal magnetic one.

I definitely seem to recall talk about making Starfox a villain because of the way his powers work. I remember reading it in the pages of the Comic Buyers Guide way back in the 90′s and thinking it would be a stupid idea at the time. (Mainly because so many ‘heroes’ were turning bad- Hal Jordan (Parallax), Tony Stark (The Crossing?) Not sure what creators were supposedly involved.

You’re thinking of Schigel’s initial interview, Sherman, which was all the information anyone had to go on because the project was canceled soon after.

Quote:

“A couple of issues earlier, writer Joe Casey introduced us to Stacy-X, a mutant who also happened to be a prostitute (who worked at a ranch with all mutant prostitutes, similar to the Mustang Ranch in Nevada).”

I’m in the process of buying a plane ticket to the Mustang Ranch in Nevada. Who knew all mutant prostitutes… co-mingled there? Thanks!”

Thanks for the kudos on the Stacy-X legend, Cronin!

And the X-Factor pitch tale blows my mind. I always wondered why the last Freedom Force story felt… weird, you know? It was so intense, like FF got turned into the Suicide Squad. And then… it went nowhere. Just the end of the team. But there was a beginning pitched for ‘em.

And we were THIS CLOSE to having Pyro on an X-Team. Huh.

I hate DC guys writing about Marvel…

Had UXM 401 used Giuliani I probably would have to be told who he was. A President of the United States is more recognizable than the Mayor of New York, sorry east coast bias.

I always wondered if Crimson Commando, Stonewall, and Super Sabre were supposed to be stand-ins for some Golden Age characters or something. When I originally read their stories as a kid I figured I had missed their early appearances, but it seems UXM #215 is their first appearance. Maybe it was just Claremont creating characters that already had a lot of history.

Layne, it’s funny, I was going through my old Image issues recently and remarking that the VAST majority of those early titles were blatant knock-offs of the stuff the artists were doing at Marvel. I mean, come on, the Wildcats analogues were so obvious (Spartan = Cyclops, Voodoo = Psylocke, Warblade = Wolverine, Maul = Colossus, Emp = Professor X, etc.), and the Cyberforce ones weren’t much different (I’m still kind of shocked there wasn’t a lawsuit over Cyblade and Psylocke, or Wolverine and Ripclaw, or whoever the big metal guy was and Colossus). Visually Spawn was a merge of Dr. Strange and Spider-Man, with a little Ghost Rider thrown in for the skulls and chains. For all the big talk of creativity they sure put on a little show, didn’t they?

Wait, so the recent “Smash” nonsense wasn’t anything new? I never realized that Image was a knock-off company.

Uggh! That is one horrendous piece of “art” by Greg Horn.

OMG, I didn’t notice till now, but even the lighting on the two figures is coming from slightly different angles, thus making it look even more like some kind of weird cut-and-pasted photocollage.

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“the one or two X-Men readers who might be at all politically aware…”

Speaking of being aware, I’m not sure it’s great to insult your readers intelligence in a story where your big contribution is adding the X-Hooker to the mythos….though if he was making a point on people paying money for his stories, he may have had a point.

Do you think he knew this script was going to be published? I wonder if it was a case where he was asked “Hey, mind if we publish one of your scripts?” and he said “Yeah, okay,” not remembering the little shot he’d taken.

The point isn’t that he’s taking a shot at readers that he knew was going to be published, but that this is what he thinks about his readership…and comic book readers in general. And he obviously holds himself to a higher intellectual standard than those “unaware readers”. At the same time he’s adding such high-brow fair like the X-Hooker to the mythos. Glass houses at least, a giant disregard for the customers who support him at worst.

Clinton makes a lot more sense for such a story than Rudy. Maybe Rudy had an affair or whatever, but other than maybe Ted Kennedy, no other politician of the day was better known for sleazy womanizing than Bill. Not that it was a great story idea in the first place, but whoever made the call to switch Rudy to Bill was probably the only bit of good thinking involved with the entire thing. Stacy-X, yuck, what a terrible character.

Isn’t “evil Starfox” just the Purple Man? Seems pointless to force an alignment-shift on a hero when it just renders an existing villain redundant.

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