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		<title>By: Hatter Entertainment News &#187; From the Reject Pile: STARFOX&#8217;S SWINGIN&#8217; SPRING BREAK SUPER SPECIAL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hatter Entertainment News &#187; From the Reject Pile: STARFOX&#8217;S SWINGIN&#8217; SPRING BREAK SUPER SPECIAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 06:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] happened next is what led to the following appearing in a column titled “Comic Book Legends Revealed” in June of this year, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG, I didn&#039;t notice till now, but even the lighting on the two figures is coming from slightly different angles, thus making it look even more like some kind of weird cut-and-pasted photocollage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, I didn't notice till now, but even the lighting on the two figures is coming from slightly different angles, thus making it look even more like some kind of weird cut-and-pasted photocollage.</p>
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		<title>By: Yodamite</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yodamite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uggh! That is one horrendous piece of &quot;art&quot; by Greg Horn.</description>
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		<title>By: ShadowWing Tronix</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShadowWing Tronix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, so the recent &quot;Smash&quot; nonsense wasn&#039;t anything new? I never realized that Image was a knock-off company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, so the recent "Smash" nonsense wasn't anything new? I never realized that Image was a knock-off company.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Layne, it&#039;s funny, I was going through my old Image issues recently and remarking that the VAST majority of those early titles were blatant knock-offs of the stuff the artists were doing at Marvel. I mean, come on, the Wildcats analogues were so obvious (Spartan = Cyclops, Voodoo = Psylocke, Warblade = Wolverine, Maul = Colossus, Emp = Professor X, etc.), and the Cyberforce ones weren&#039;t much different (I&#039;m still kind of shocked there wasn&#039;t a lawsuit over Cyblade and Psylocke, or Wolverine and Ripclaw, or whoever the big metal guy was and Colossus). Visually Spawn was a merge of Dr. Strange and Spider-Man, with a little Ghost Rider thrown in for the skulls and chains. For all the big talk of creativity they sure put on a little show, didn&#039;t they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Layne, it's funny, I was going through my old Image issues recently and remarking that the VAST majority of those early titles were blatant knock-offs of the stuff the artists were doing at Marvel. I mean, come on, the Wildcats analogues were so obvious (Spartan = Cyclops, Voodoo = Psylocke, Warblade = Wolverine, Maul = Colossus, Emp = Professor X, etc.), and the Cyberforce ones weren't much different (I'm still kind of shocked there wasn't a lawsuit over Cyblade and Psylocke, or Wolverine and Ripclaw, or whoever the big metal guy was and Colossus). Visually Spawn was a merge of Dr. Strange and Spider-Man, with a little Ghost Rider thrown in for the skulls and chains. For all the big talk of creativity they sure put on a little show, didn't they?</p>
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		<title>By: jazzbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jazzbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always wondered if Crimson Commando, Stonewall, and Super Sabre were supposed to be stand-ins for some Golden Age characters or something. When I originally read their stories as a kid I figured I had missed their early appearances, but it seems UXM #215 is their first appearance. Maybe it was just Claremont creating characters that already had a lot of history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always wondered if Crimson Commando, Stonewall, and Super Sabre were supposed to be stand-ins for some Golden Age characters or something. When I originally read their stories as a kid I figured I had missed their early appearances, but it seems UXM #215 is their first appearance. Maybe it was just Claremont creating characters that already had a lot of history.</p>
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		<title>By: mrjayberry</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/06/11/comic-book-legends-revealed-211/comment-page-2/#comment-723928</link>
		<dc:creator>mrjayberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had UXM 401 used Giuliani I probably would have to be told who he was. A President of the United States is more recognizable than the Mayor of New York, sorry east coast bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had UXM 401 used Giuliani I probably would have to be told who he was. A President of the United States is more recognizable than the Mayor of New York, sorry east coast bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Spot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate DC guys writing about Marvel...</description>
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		<title>By: worstblogever</title>
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		<dc:creator>worstblogever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kudos on the Stacy-X legend, Cronin!

And the X-Factor pitch tale blows my mind. I always wondered why the last Freedom Force story felt... weird, you know? It was so intense, like FF got turned into the Suicide Squad. And then... it went nowhere. Just the end of the team. But there was a beginning pitched for &#039;em.

And we were THIS CLOSE to having Pyro on an X-Team. Huh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kudos on the Stacy-X legend, Cronin!</p>
<p>And the X-Factor pitch tale blows my mind. I always wondered why the last Freedom Force story felt... weird, you know? It was so intense, like FF got turned into the Suicide Squad. And then... it went nowhere. Just the end of the team. But there was a beginning pitched for 'em.</p>
<p>And we were THIS CLOSE to having Pyro on an X-Team. Huh.</p>
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		<title>By: Dreggor Gade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dreggor Gade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 06:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote:

&quot;A couple of issues earlier, writer Joe Casey introduced us to Stacy-X, a mutant who also happened to be a prostitute (who worked at a ranch with all mutant prostitutes, similar to the Mustang Ranch in Nevada).&quot;

I&#039;m in the process of buying a plane ticket to the Mustang Ranch in Nevada. Who knew all mutant prostitutes... co-mingled there? Thanks!&quot;</description>
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<p>"A couple of issues earlier, writer Joe Casey introduced us to Stacy-X, a mutant who also happened to be a prostitute (who worked at a ranch with all mutant prostitutes, similar to the Mustang Ranch in Nevada)."</p>
<p>I'm in the process of buying a plane ticket to the Mustang Ranch in Nevada. Who knew all mutant prostitutes... co-mingled there? Thanks!"</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/06/11/comic-book-legends-revealed-211/comment-page-1/#comment-723901</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 06:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re thinking of Schigel&#039;s initial interview, Sherman, which was all the information anyone had to go on because the project was canceled soon after.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You're thinking of Schigel's initial interview, Sherman, which was all the information anyone had to go on because the project was canceled soon after.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherman</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/06/11/comic-book-legends-revealed-211/comment-page-1/#comment-723900</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely seem to recall talk about making Starfox a villain because of the way his powers work. I remember reading it in the pages of the Comic Buyers Guide way back in the 90&#039;s and thinking it would be a stupid idea at the time. (Mainly because so many &#039;heroes&#039; were turning bad- Hal Jordan (Parallax), Tony Stark (The Crossing?)  Not sure what creators were supposedly involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely seem to recall talk about making Starfox a villain because of the way his powers work. I remember reading it in the pages of the Comic Buyers Guide way back in the 90's and thinking it would be a stupid idea at the time. (Mainly because so many 'heroes' were turning bad- Hal Jordan (Parallax), Tony Stark (The Crossing?)  Not sure what creators were supposedly involved.</p>
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		<title>By: ParanoidObsessive</title>
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		<dc:creator>ParanoidObsessive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 04:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt; I’d hardly dispute the narrow interests that super-fans tend to suffer from, but come on, thinking they wouldn’t recognize Rudy Guliani ( even pre-9/11 ) is hitting below the belt.

I have a sneaking suspicion that this is why the character that appeared in the story was actually changed - the assumption that comic fans in general were too stupid to recognize Giuliani, so they&#039;d better use a more recognizable politician instead.  Plus, well, Clinton sort of lends himself to sexual jokes, doesn&#039;t he?


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&gt;&gt;&gt; Well, as you might imagine, for a guy like Starfox who was known to sleep with a lot of women (including some of his teammates), later writers began to think, “Hmmm…that’s a little troublesome, as far as powers go.”

That was actually present almost right from the beginning - right after he first revealed the fact that he HAD that power, Wasp spent a fair amount of time feeling incredibly awkward around him, and eventually told him outright that not only was it disturbing that he could do that, but that he also never bothered to tell anyone (or deliberately kept it secret).  His defense was something along the lines of &quot;I never do it to friends... unless they ask!&quot;, and it was probably the earliest attempt to head off people complaining about his magic rape power.


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&gt;&gt;&gt; When did Polaris become “strong girl”?

It&#039;s already sort of been explained, but just to flesh it out a bit more, in Uncanny X-Men #250, Polaris is basically abducted by Zaladane, and has her magnetic powers stolen from her.  Right after, she immediately becomes super-strong and grows taller.  At the time, it was implied to be a secondary mutation - but later, during the Shadow King storyline, it&#039;s implied her actual power was to become a battery for negative emotional energy, both absorbing and amplifying it.  Her strength came from channeling that energy into her body, and when the Shadow King was killed and she was freed from the psychic web he&#039;d put her in to drain her negative energy (in Uncanny #280), she&#039;d reverted back to her normal magnetic powers.

So she was basically &quot;Strong Girl&quot; for about 30 issues, from 1989 to 1991 or so.  Though she wasn&#039;t actually IN many of those issues.  If the decision to change her back was a late one, it makes sense that they would have been planning to have her be the super-strong and really tall version instead of the normal magnetic one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; I’d hardly dispute the narrow interests that super-fans tend to suffer from, but come on, thinking they wouldn’t recognize Rudy Guliani ( even pre-9/11 ) is hitting below the belt.</p>
<p>I have a sneaking suspicion that this is why the character that appeared in the story was actually changed - the assumption that comic fans in general were too stupid to recognize Giuliani, so they'd better use a more recognizable politician instead.  Plus, well, Clinton sort of lends himself to sexual jokes, doesn't he?</p>
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<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; Well, as you might imagine, for a guy like Starfox who was known to sleep with a lot of women (including some of his teammates), later writers began to think, “Hmmm…that’s a little troublesome, as far as powers go.”</p>
<p>That was actually present almost right from the beginning - right after he first revealed the fact that he HAD that power, Wasp spent a fair amount of time feeling incredibly awkward around him, and eventually told him outright that not only was it disturbing that he could do that, but that he also never bothered to tell anyone (or deliberately kept it secret).  His defense was something along the lines of "I never do it to friends... unless they ask!", and it was probably the earliest attempt to head off people complaining about his magic rape power.</p>
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<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; When did Polaris become “strong girl”?</p>
<p>It's already sort of been explained, but just to flesh it out a bit more, in Uncanny X-Men #250, Polaris is basically abducted by Zaladane, and has her magnetic powers stolen from her.  Right after, she immediately becomes super-strong and grows taller.  At the time, it was implied to be a secondary mutation - but later, during the Shadow King storyline, it's implied her actual power was to become a battery for negative emotional energy, both absorbing and amplifying it.  Her strength came from channeling that energy into her body, and when the Shadow King was killed and she was freed from the psychic web he'd put her in to drain her negative energy (in Uncanny #280), she'd reverted back to her normal magnetic powers.</p>
<p>So she was basically "Strong Girl" for about 30 issues, from 1989 to 1991 or so.  Though she wasn't actually IN many of those issues.  If the decision to change her back was a late one, it makes sense that they would have been planning to have her be the super-strong and really tall version instead of the normal magnetic one.</p>
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		<title>By: layne</title>
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		<dc:creator>layne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 03:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, synchronicity. I picked up a collection of David&#039;s &#039;But I Digress&#039; essays from the early nineties this very afternoon. In addition to making me feel freakishly old, there&#039;s a mention of Larsen&#039;s infamous quote about how the Image boys were on the verge of dazzling the world with their unfettered creativity, since they had been holding back while toiling in the coal mine that Stan built.

It was obviously a pile of horse-pucky hype - and not even the most egregious example of the kind of baloney that was flying thick and fast in those days - but it&#039;s still amusing to see that the fellas really had nuthin&#039; up their sleeves, even if it&#039;s almost 20(!) years after the fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, synchronicity. I picked up a collection of David's 'But I Digress' essays from the early nineties this very afternoon. In addition to making me feel freakishly old, there's a mention of Larsen's infamous quote about how the Image boys were on the verge of dazzling the world with their unfettered creativity, since they had been holding back while toiling in the coal mine that Stan built.</p>
<p>It was obviously a pile of horse-pucky hype - and not even the most egregious example of the kind of baloney that was flying thick and fast in those days - but it's still amusing to see that the fellas really had nuthin' up their sleeves, even if it's almost 20(!) years after the fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Annon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what its worth, I think a government built cyborg Commando could have been a great addition to X-Factor.</description>
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		<title>By: Annon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting how similar the X-Factor and Freak Force logos are.  Never noticed that before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting how similar the X-Factor and Freak Force logos are.  Never noticed that before.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/06/11/comic-book-legends-revealed-211/comment-page-1/#comment-723879</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Me, I never did a pitch on it. They just came to me and said, “Here’s the team, we’d like you to write it.”&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

That actually makes a lot of sense, Peter, as apparently, by the time Fabian and Erik were no longer going to do the book, their team lineup was basically your team lineup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Me, I never did a pitch on it. They just came to me and said, “Here’s the team, we’d like you to write it.”</p></blockquote>
<p>That actually makes a lot of sense, Peter, as apparently, by the time Fabian and Erik were no longer going to do the book, their team lineup was basically your team lineup.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Grayson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Grayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see why they had to use any real political figure in that X-Men issue. It is almost as bad as how Marvel was going to originally have Princess Diana come back to life as a mutant in X-Force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't see why they had to use any real political figure in that X-Men issue. It is almost as bad as how Marvel was going to originally have Princess Diana come back to life as a mutant in X-Force.</p>
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		<title>By: Squashua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squashua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, that&#039;s just it.  I can&#039;t see the point of adding a Jim Corrigan who even looked like the same guy and just outright make it a red herring.  I think he BECAME a red herring, but was originally intended to be something else.

It&#039;s like if, during the Kyle Rayner GL run, they introduced a blonde crew-cut police scientist background character named Barry Allen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, that's just it.  I can't see the point of adding a Jim Corrigan who even looked like the same guy and just outright make it a red herring.  I think he BECAME a red herring, but was originally intended to be something else.</p>
<p>It's like if, during the Kyle Rayner GL run, they introduced a blonde crew-cut police scientist background character named Barry Allen.</p>
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		<title>By: sgt rawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>sgt rawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ o.t.o. -  You were better off in school. Mainstream comics in the &#039;90&#039;s sucked. SUCKED. Ask anybody. The &#039;80&#039;s were better. (Right, fellas? Or Prove Me Wrong.) Hell, the &#039;70&#039;s were better. (This may be debatable.) 

I was sixteen when I first met the Crimson Commander. I never knew he became a cyborg and later, a creation of Erik Larsen. (Of whom, I will not say a bad word EVER, for his is ... Kirby&#039;s Man! Dare I Say It? &#039;NUFF SAID!)

Keep them columns comin&#039;, Brian! We&#039;ll GET you that winner at Pimlico, Billy! Just you wait!!!</description>
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<p>I was sixteen when I first met the Crimson Commander. I never knew he became a cyborg and later, a creation of Erik Larsen. (Of whom, I will not say a bad word EVER, for his is ... Kirby's Man! Dare I Say It? 'NUFF SAID!)</p>
<p>Keep them columns comin', Brian! We'll GET you that winner at Pimlico, Billy! Just you wait!!!</p>
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