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Lorendiac’s Lists: The Master List of Flagsuit Characters (Third Draft)

Here is the archive of the lists Lorendiac posts here, and here is his latest, nicely timed for the Fourth of July!- BC.

In June of 2007, on various forums, I requested help from my fellow fans in compiling a list of “Flagsuit Characters”; those who like to dress and act in a way which will presumably make people see them as Particularly Patriotic American Heroes. I thought it would be appropriate to post the full list on the Fourth of July of that year, and I did. The First Draft had 155 entries. Then more suggestions came in from various readers, and a year later I posted a Second Draft with 205 entries. Now it’s time for the Third Draft, with 237 entries. (It has actually gained a bit more than 32 new listings, because I saw fit to delete a few of the previous ones.)

Here were my original guidelines:

To make it onto my final list, a character has to meet a few basic criteria:

1. He (or she) wears a costume that includes red, white, and blue. (The presence of other colors is also acceptable as long as all three of those are included. But if the costume only has two out of three—red and blue without any white, for instance—then that doesn’t count!)

2. The character obviously wants to be viewed (by the general public) as an exceptionally patriotic American hero. I’m not saying the person must “really” be a hero, or even has to be a citizen or legal resident of the USA, for that matter! I’m just saying that this is the image the character obviously wants to project! If there have been any villains who put on red-white-and-blue outfits in order to fool people into thinking they were heroes for awhile, I’m perfectly willing to count that! (But not if they were just impersonating Captain America, for instance—only if they invented a fresh identity for the occasion.)

3. He (or she) must have appeared in at least one published comic book story. (I don’t want costumed characters who only existed in movies, TV shows, videogames or other media.

I then offered examples of what I didn’t want—Superman was disqualified by both Rule #1 and Rule #2, as I saw it; Spider-Man was also disqualified by Rule #2.

Those rules still apply, if you’re thinking of mentioning someone I’ve still managed to overlook!

I try to keep the listings as short and sweet as possible; I’m not writing an entire book here. I don’t usually mention what a hero’s secret identity was, nor what powers he had (if any), nor (in most cases) in which title he first appeared. I do mention who first published his adventures, though.

In cases where I personally have not been able to double-check such details as the exact physical appearance of the character (did the costume include red, white, and blue, all three colors at once, in a way which resembled the U.S. flag?) I have typed Unconfirmed at the end of the listing.

And I only list each “character concept” or “role” once, even if the same alias and costume have been used by multiple characters all belonging to the same company. There is only one listing for “Captain America,” for instance. I figure Steve Rogers was the original; so and any other “Captain America” published by Marvel has just been a shameless knockoff of the basic concept!

On the other hand: There are four listings which each begin with the name “American Eagle,” because four different companies have each created at least one character apiece who wore a flagsuit while using that patriotic alias!

There’s always room for improvement, but this is the best I’ve got at the moment. Happy Fourth of July!

(Someday I may do a more elaborate version of this list – perhaps with each character’s name linking to an image of him or her, and some details on secret identities and first appearances and whatnot; perhaps even turning it into a webpage with dozens of scanned images embedded in it. I don’t know. But don’t hold your breath!)

THE MASTER LIST OF U.S. FLAGSUIT CHARACTERS (THIRD DRAFT)

Aerobica (Catfish Comics) [Unconfirmed]

Agent Liberty (DC)

All-American (Homage. Astro City?) [Unconfirmed]

All-American (Marvel, New Universe timeline)

Amazon (Amalgam, a combo of Wonder Woman and Storm)

Amber Waves (Appears in the miniseries “The American Way” from DC’s Wildstorm)

America Man (Cyclone Comics. He debuted in a black-and-white story, but his costume was obviously based on the U.S. flag)

The American (Dark Horse)

American Ace (Valiant)

American Beauty (Briefly appeared in Alan Moore’s “1963” miniseries. Member of the Victory Vanguard in the WWII era) (Image)

American Champion (from the “Capes” series from Image) [Unconfirmed]

The American Crusader (Thrilling Publications)

American Dream (Marvel, the MC2 timeline)

American Eagle (DC. Anthropomorphic eagle who joined the Zoo Crew)

American Eagle (Henchman Publishing; the character is a student in the “P.S. 238” series)

American Eagle (Marvel)

American Eagle (Nedor)

American Icon (Image. Appeared in a “Wildguard” miniseries)

American Knight (appeared in a comic called ActionFolksinger) [Unconfirmed]

American Liberty (from “The Moth” miniseries by Steve Rude, published by Dark Horse)

American Maid (Tick) [details unclear – may have been in comics, may only have been in illustrated books of some other type?]

The American Powerhouse (Malibu’s Bravura imprint, the “Power & Glory” miniseries)

American Star (Superdupeheroes or Superduperheroes) [Unconfirmed]

American Woman (Antarctic Press)

The Americano (Cyclone Comics. She debuted in a black-and-white story, but her costume was obviously based on the U.S. flag)

The Americommando (DC)

Archie the Gruesome (Timely)

Banner (DC. Fought Batman while wrapped up in a U.S. flag)

Battlestar (Marvel)

Battlin’ American (Fantagraphics, a regular in the series “The Astonishing Lloyd Llewellyn”) [Unconfirmed]

Billy Yank (DC) (Civil War era) [Unconfirmed]

Bloodtype (also known as Mister America II) (DC) [Unconfirmed]

Blue Eagle (Marvel, Squadron Supreme universe)

Bobby Bell (Archie. Only existed in a few Public Service Announcements in their comics)

Bravado (Acclaim)

The Buckies, or Bold Urban Commandos (Marvel) [unconfirmed]

Buckley [Former partner of First American, ABC/Wildstorm] [Unconfirmed]

Buckskin Blake, Defender of America’s Liberty (Periodical House) [Unconfirmed]

Buddy (Fox. Juvenile sidekick to Fox’s “The Eagle”)

Captain America Jr. of the X-League II (merger of Captain America plus Captain Marvel Jr.) (Amalgam)

Captain America (Timely, later Marvel)

Captain Americana (He wore a standard business suit, but also carried a shield which resembled Captain America’s original, non-circular model. He only appeared in one black-and-white story; I’ve seen scans of a few panels. Given the name “Captain Americana” and his reportedly excessive patriotic fervor, it seems a safe bet that his shield was red-white-and-blue!) (Marvel)

Captain Americat (the funny-animal version of Captain America in the same timeline as Peter Porker, Spider-Ham) (Marvel)

Captain Battle (Lev Gleason)

Captain Commando (MLJ)

Captain Constitution the Premier Patriot (Ace) [Unconfirmed]

Captain Courageous (Ace)

Captain Curtis (Full Bleed Studios) [Unconfirmed]

Captain Dash (Made a single Golden Age appearance which established that he lived in the 31st Century) (Timely) [Unconfirmed]

Captain Fight (Fiction House)

Captain Flag (MLJ)

Captain Freedom (Harvey)

Captain From Texas (Marvel—apparently a wild-west version of their Captain America concept)

Captain Glory (Harry A. Chesler) [Unconfirmed]

Captain Guts (The Print Mint)

Captain Red Blazer (Apparently he should not be confused with the Golden Age character “Red Blazer”) (Harvey)

Captain Star (Superheroes/Ace Books) [Unconfirmed]

Captain Terror (Timely)

Captain V (Published by either Fox Features or William H. Wise. Different online resources list one or the other as the publisher of the Captain’s first appearance in “All Top Comics #1.” Apparently this was a later alias of a Golden Age character who originally called himself The Puppeteer)

Captain USA (Hero who appeared in at least one Charlton comic in the late 60s, long before DC acquired the rights to their characters)

Captain USA (Ultraverse character; probably just appeared once)(Marvel)

Captain Victory (Ace) [Unconfirmed]

Captain Wonder (DC character who fought the Earth-1 Wonder Woman; probably out of continuity now)

Casey Jones from “Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles” has reportedly worn a red-white-and-blue mask at times (I am not an expert on TMNT continuity so I don’t know if he was trying to pass himself off as a “very patriotic hero” at the time, or what?)[Unconfirmed, with the character’s patriotic fervor quite dubious]

Caspar Weinberger (When handled satirically in “Reagan’s Raiders”) (Solson)

Celeste (Superpowered character in the world of “Marshall Law”; wore red-white-and-blue costume. Marvel’s Epic line) [Unconfirmed]

Citizen Steel (DC)

Citizen V (Marvel – the original Golden Age character apparently didn’t wear red and white and blue in his costume, but various “successors” using the same name in modern continuity have definitely done so)

Civilian Justice (BeyondComics)

Colonel America (Marvel Zombieverse) [Unconfirmed]

The Comedian (DC, the “Watchmen” timeline)

The Commander (Appears in the “I Hate Gallant Girl” miniseries) (Image)

Commander America of the Cosmic Avengers (Marvel) [Unconfirmed]

Commander Capitalism (Image)

Commander Liberty (Quantum Comics) [Unconfirmed]

Commander Steel (DC)

Commando Yank (Fawcett)

Commie Smasher (Appeared in the “Danger Unlimited” mini, published by Dark Horse, but probably owned by John Byrne)

The Conqueror (Hillman)

Cowboy (Marvel, part of “Team America”)

Dandy (Harry A. Chesler. Juvenile sidekick to Yankee Doodle Jones)

Deathlok (Marvel)

The Defender (Timely)

Dicky (Ace Periodicals. Golden Age hero; he was the kid sidekick of The Lone Warrior)

Diehard (A Liefeld-owned character who debuted at Image as part of “Youngblood”)

Doctor Tomorrow (Acclaim)

Dollar Bill (DC, the “Watchmen” timeline)

Doodle (Prize Publications. He and his twin brother were the Golden Age duo called “Yank and Doodle”)

Dr. Justice (from the “Capes series from Image) [Unconfirmed]

Dr. Stellar (Image, their “Big Bang” stories)

Dynaman (DC. He only existed as “Dynaman” in an Elseworlds timeline in the 4-part miniseries “The Golden Age”)

The Eagle (Fox Features Syndicate)

The Eagle (Wildstorm, a “Red Menace” miniseries]

Eaglet (Sidekick of Nedor’s American Eagle)

Enemy (created by Steven Grant; published by Dark Horse)

Father Patriot (A Golden Age character who claimed to be a spirit born in 1776. Fat, white-bearded, wore a flagsuit. I gather that his major accomplishment—possibly his only recorded deed!—was to be part of the Golden Age Major Victory’s origin story, by bringing an ordinary American soldier back from the dead and providing him with a flagsuit costume (different from the design Father Patriot already wore!) and a nifty alias.) (Harry A. Chesler)

The Fighting American (published by various companies)

The Fighting Yank (Nedor)

First American (ABC/Wildstorm, which later became part of DC)

The Flag (Ace Periodicals)

Flag Boy (Superheroes/Ace Books) [Unconfirmed]

Flagg (“Rising Stars” universe, published by Image) (This character also known as “Patriot”)

Flagman, or possibly Flag-Man, or even Flag Man—online sources differ on how it was written, and it may have varied (Holyoke, later revived by AC)

Fortress America (Lone Star Press, the “Pantheon” series)

Freckled American (ABC/Wildstorm) [unconfirmed]

Free Spirit (Marvel)

Furious American (Chaos!) [Unconfirmed]

General Glory (DC)

George Bush (The one who was Reagan’s Vice President for 8 years and then was elected President in 1988—a fictional version of him wore a flagsuit when handled satirically in “Reagan’s Raiders”) (Solson)

George P. Schultz (when handled satirically in “Reagan’s Raiders”) (Solson)

The Ghost of Flanders (Quality. Apparently later bought by DC, but never used by them)

Glitter (Marvel, New Universe)

The Great Defender (Quality, presumably now belongs to DC)

Hale Battle (The first sidekick of Captain Battle; apparently wore a flagsuit modeled on his mentor’s)

Homelander (from “The Boys” series, published by ABC/Wildstorm and then by Dynamite Entertainment) [Unconfirmed]

Honcho (Marvel, part of “Team America”)

Jack Flag (Marvel)

Joe Public (DC)

Justice (Image)

Justice (Marvel, First Line, previously “Kid Justice”) [Unconfirmed]

Kid America (sidekick to The American) (Dark Horse)

Kid Justice (Marvel, First Line, later “Justice”) [Unconfirmed]

Kid Quick (Nedor, later used by AC) [Unconfirmed]

The Last American (Marvel, published by Epic)

Left-Winger (Marvel)

The Liberator (Nedor)

Liberty (Image)

Liberty Belle (Charlton character originally; later acquired by DC; this one’s name was “Caroline Dean,” with no connection to DC’s Liberty Belle from the Golden Age who eventually married Johnny Quick)

Liberty Girl (Existed in Marvel’s past in Byrne’s “Lost Generation” mini)

Liberty Girl (Heroic Publishing)

Liberty Lad (Image, their “Freedom Force” comic book based on the video game)

Lightning (Image, a name used by Rapture during her time in red-white-and-blue as part of the Special Operations Strikeforce)

Lodestar (DC) [Unconfirmed]

The Lone Warrior (Ace Periodicals)

Maiden USA (Image, the “Chix” comics)

Major Battle (Image) [Unconfirmed]

Major Liberty (Marvel)

Major Victory (DC)

Major Victory (Harry A. Chesler)

Man of War (Centaur published him in the Golden Age. Malibu later revived the concept after it was apparently in the public domain)

Minute Maid (ABC/Wildstorm) [mother of First American, colors Unconfirmed]

Minute Man (DC, Revolutionary War) [Unconfirmed]

Minute Man (Image, their “Freedom Force” comic book based on the video game)

Minute-Man (Fawcett, later bought by DC)

Miss America (Quality Comics, later acquired by DC)

Miss America (Timely, later Marvel)

Miss Liberty (DC, Revolutionary War era)

Miss Patriot (Timely. Sidekick to The Patriot (Jeff Mace) in one Golden Age story)

Miss Victory (Holyoke. Later published by AC Comics)

Mister America (Endeavor Comics)

Mister U.S. (Image, the “Big Bang” stories)

Mr. America (DC)

Ms. Liberty (granddaughter of Statesman in the City of Heroes universe, in comics published by Top Cow)

Ms. Victory (AC Comics)

The New American (Appears in the world of the miniseries “The American Way” from DC’s Wildstorm)

NFL Superpro (Marvel)

Nuke (Marvel)

The Old Soldier (Part of the universe of “Kurt Busiek’s Astro City”—published by ABC/Wildstorm, which is now under DC’s umbrella)

Pandemic (Image) [Flag tattoo on back—don’t know what he said he was doing – Unconfirmed]

Pat Patriot (Lev Gleason)

The Patriot (Two users, no connection between them. DC)

Patriot and The Patriot (Marvel has used both versions of that name for characters)

Patriot (“Rising Stars” universe, published by Image. This character also was known as Flagg)

Pistolfist, Revolutionary Warrior (Alias)

Princess Power (Basically a Wonder Woman parody; the mother of Dumb Bunny of the Inferior Five at DC)

Private Strong (Archie)

Public Spirit (Owned by creators Pat Mills and Kevin O’Neill, in the comic book “Marshal Law” which was first published through Marvel’s Epic imprint)

The Puppeteer (Fox Features. Character was also known as Captain V)

R.U. Reddy (Marvel, part of “Team America”)

Rad (Femforce, AC)

Radio Girl (Dark Horse; Torch of Liberty’s 1950s sidekick)

Real American of the Phantom Empire (DC) [Unconfirmed]

Right-Winger (Marvel)

Rock (Image. This character wore a red-white-and-blue combo while serving with the Special Operations Strikeforce in “Savage Dragon” continuity)

Ronald Reagan (when handled satirically in “Reagan’s Raiders”) (Solson)

Roughneck (Image, villain) [Unconfirmed – I need to find out if he made any effort to pass himself off as patriotic]

Rusty Ryan (Quality)

Rusty (Holyoke. Juvenile sidekick to the hero whose name was either Flagman or Flag Man or Flag-Man—I’ve never read any of those stories, but I gather Rusty did in fact wear a “flagsuit,” as did his mentor)

Rusty (Timely. Golden Age juvenile sidekick to The Defender)

S.P.I.C.E. (Image)

S.T.R.I.P.E. (DC. The same guy formerly known as Stripesy)

Savage Dragon (Image. This character wore a red-white-and-blue combo while serving with the Special Operations Strikeforce in “Savage Dragon” continuity)

Secret Stamp (Timely) [Unconfirmed]

Sergeant States (from the “Jack Staff” comics from Dancing Elephant Press. The art is black-and-white, but it sure looks like he’s wearing a variation of the American Flag design]

The Shield (MJL, later Archie Comics)

Skyman (DC)

Skyrocket (DC)

Slugger (ABC/Wildstorm, “Kurt Busiek’s Astro City”) [Unconfirmed]

Smasher (Image)

Soldier American (In the world of the “End League” title from Dark Horse)

Sons of Liberty (A group who fought “The Authority” of ABC/Wildstorm) [Unconfirmed – I know nothing about their names and costumes at this moment]

Sparky—sometimes known as “Spark,” I’m told (Harvey. He was the sidekick to Red Blazer)

Speedboy the Wonder Kid (Crestwood, and possible other publishers later—sidekick to the original Fighting American)

Spirit of ’76 (Harvey. A Golden Age character with no connection to the Marvel character created by Roy Thomas in the 70s)

The Spirit of ’76 (Marvel)

Star Spangled Adventurer (Superheroes/Ace Books) [Unconfirmed]

Star-Spangled Lass (Temporary “Dial H for Hero” identity) (DC) [Unconfirmed]

The Star-Spangled Kid (DC)

Stargirl (DC)

The Stars and Stripes (A trio of escapees from a German concentration camp who, I am told, decided to spend the rest of the war wearing red-white-and-blue outfits in honor of the American flag while collectively calling themselves “the Stars & Stripes” as they fought the Nazis)

Statesman (“City of Heroes” universe; comics published by Image)

Steel (DC) (not John Henry Irons, but a previous hero (the grandson of Commander Steel) who served in the JLA in their mid-80s Detroit Era)

Stripesy (DC)

Super-American (Fiction House)

Superpatriot (Image)

Super-Patriot (Marvel)

Super-Soldier (sometimes written Supersoldier or Super Soldier, Wikipedia says—a merger of Superman and Captain America, from Amalgam)

The Symbol (“Test Drive #1″ from M.A.I.N. has a flagsuit guy on the cover who is allegedly “The Symbol” according to a single comment I received from a reader of a previous draft of this list) [Unconfirmed, just barely—I have seen a scan of the cover, and that’s definitely a flagsuit he’s wearing, but I don’t know for sure that the guy is called The Symbol]

The Torch of Liberty (Dark Horse, the “Danger Unlimited” continuity)

U.S. Jones (Fox Features)

U.S.A. (Image, the 1963 universe created by Alan Moore)

Uncle Sam (Quality Comics, later DC)

Uncle Slam (Action Planet)

Union Maid (Served as the official “National Hero” of the USA in the universe of “Captain Confederacy” – she first appeared in a miniseries published in Marvel’s Epic line)

USA Patriot (Henchman Publishing; the character is a student in the “P.S. 238” series)

USA, the Spirit of Old Glory (Quality, later bought by DC)

USAgent (Marvel)

USAngel (ABC/Wildstorm)

Vagabond (Marvel)

Venus (Image, the Big Bang universe)

V-Man (Fox Features. At least one online source claims this was the same guy as the Fox hero variously known as The Puppeteer and Captain V; at least one other source claims that V-Man merely bore a noteworthy resemblance to that other guy; I am not in a position to say who’s right and who’s wrong) [Unconfirmed]

War Eagle (Lev Gleason)

War Nurse (Harvey)

Wolf (Marvel, part of “Team America”)

Wonder Wabbit (DC, the pre-COIE “Earth-C-Minus” timeline)

Wonder Woman (National Periodical Publications, later DC. See Comment below)

Wrench (Marvel, part of “Team America”)

Yank (Prize Publications. He and his twin brother were the Golden Age duo called “Yank and Doodle”)

Yankee Boy (Harry A. Chesler)

Yankee Clipper (Marvel)

Yankee Doodle Dandy (Marvel) [Possibly an alternate alias for Captain America, 1776 version, story by Roger Stern? Need to confirm]

Yankee Doodle Jones (Harry A. Chesler)

Yankee Doodle Kid (Temporary “Dial H for Hero” identity at DC)

Yankee Girl (Harry A. Chesler. Revived by AC)

Yankee Poodle (DC, the Earth-C universe)

Yeoman America of the Sons of Liberty (alternate-reality version of Captain America) (Marvel)

That’s the end of the main list. Now for a few words of explanation on various matters!

Comments on Wonder Woman’s qualifications:

I am told that the Golden Age Wonder Woman explicitly stated that her costume was meant to honor the American flag and show solidarity with the USA’s part in World War II. This has been heavily retconned in the Post-COIE era so that the modern WW’s costume was not specifically intended to show solidarity with the U.S. flag at all. But the way I figure it, belated retcons in the 1980s don’t change the fact that the character concept was originally meant to be a “Flagsuit Character” within the scope of my definition! :)

Incidentally, I’m still not clear on whether or not the Pre-COIE, Earth-1 version of Diana was specifically thinking “I want to show special respect for the USA’s best traditions” when she first put on a Wonder Woman costume. I’m told that the details of her origin story, including such points as when and by whom the costume was designed, seemed to fluctuate over the years. However, last year someone reminded me that Wonder Wabbit, the funny-animal analog of Earth-1’s Wonder Woman in the early 1980s, was explicitly praised by Yankee Poodle on the patriotic nature of her costume, and didn’t disagree with that interpretation! Whether or not the attitude of Earth-C-Minus’s Wonder Wabbit can be taken as strong evidence of the attitude of her Earth-1 counterpart is an open question.

Comments on a few who didn’t make it:

The American Avenger was on the first draft of this list. He was cut from the second draft because someone called my attention to the fact that his red-white-and-blue outfit was actually supposed to modeled on that of a previous hero in Argentina (El Gaucho), rather than being intended in dialogue as a tribute to the United States flag.

Captain Battle Jr. was previously on this list, but I’ve been persuaded that this name was only used by Captain Battle’s son William, who did not wear a copy of his daddy’s flagsuit when operating as Captain Battle Jr. However, Nathan Hale (known as Hale Battle, I gather, when he was serving in combat) did wear such a suit, so I have added a listing for him and removed the listing for Captain Battle Jr.

Number Nine, a genetically-modified girl who appeared in the “Daredevil” title during Ann Nocenti’s run, was listed in a previous draft after someone pointed out to me that she wore a flagsuit design for awhile.

However, in researching this new draft I finally took the trouble to reexamine the relevant issues. (I had read Nocenti’s full run on Daredevil once before, but it had been so long that I remembered almost nothing about Number Nine’s behavior.) After refreshing my memory, I note that Number Nine wore a flagsuit for awhile, but never offered any reason for doing so! It is not even clear how she acquired those clothes in the first place. Her memories of her past life as a normal girl had been nearly erased when a secret lab modified her genes and her looks and her personality and gave her a healing factor which apparently worked even faster than Wolverine’s. She never said anything to suggest that she even realized she wearing a “flagsuit,” nor do I see that she mentioned the “United States of America” in any context, good or bad. So I’ve deleted her from this list, since all the evidence suggests she had no interest in making any sort of “statement” with her colorful outfit.

DC’s Golden Age heroine Liberty Belle was on this list previously, but I finally removed her from it. Her costume included red, blue, and a little bit of white, and her choice of alias showed she wanted to be viewed as a patriotic American hero, so she seemed to meet the demands of Rules 1 and 2 as I had phrased them. However, given that the actual design of her costume is not likely to remind anyone of the U.S. flag, I finally decided to erase her from the list.

Marvel’s Shooting Star has been nominated, but I strongly suspect her costume is actually meant to reflect the state flag of Texas, which is also red, white, and blue. If anyone can show me that she’s ever stated for the record that her costume is deliberately a tribute to the USA’s flag, I’ll add her to the list.

Howard Chaykin’s character Reuben Flagg (protagonist of the old comic book series “American Flagg”) was nominated for this list by various people in 2007. On the other hand, FanboyStranger on the CBR forums, who evidently has a much broader knowledge of “American Flagg” lore than I do (I never read more than the first issue), has assured me that, in the future timeline Reuben Flagg lived in, there was no longer any such thing as the “United States of America,” although his trademark apparel just happened to show strong influences from both the flag of that former nation and the flag of the equally defunct Soviet Union. He also states that Flagg was never in the habit of identifying himself as an American (despite the title of the series, I gather). Thus, I conclude that Chaykin’s character does not qualify under my Rule #2, quoted earlier in this post!

On a similar note: In 2008, the name Judge Dredd was suggested, but I rejected it. I have read very few of Dredd’s stories, but I am told that he lives in a future where there is no longer any such political entity as “the United States of America.” Therefore, his usual wardrobe presumably was not intended as a statement of patriotic loyalty such as would belong on this list. (If anyone knows of a story in which Dredd said he was trying to demonstrate patriotic loyalty to the USA, despite the awkward fact that the USA per se no long existed, then please let me know.)

33 Comments

I’m surprised wolverine didn’t weasel his way on this list

What about the Iron Patriort himself, Norman Osborn. Is he on there or did I miss him?

Jake’s right with Iron Patriot. Also, Norman’s son Harry is in Stars and Stripes inspired costume for two issues as ‘American Son.’

Tornado Ninja Fan

July 5, 2009 at 1:02 am

American Maid was in the Tick cartoon.

I think you’re wrong on Ruben Flagg. While the political entity known as the USA has collapsed, Ruben is deeply in love with the American Dream.

PS: how about the Silver Agent from Astro City.

While his costume had no colours, it features stars and stripes. Indeed, colourised it becomes the Bucky Barnes Captain America suit

Spartan from WildC.A.T.s (Wildstorm)

Bless my ignorance, but why are some of the entries listed as “unconfirmed”?

Because I can definitely tell you that All-American and his sidekick Slugger exist. They were in Astro City 1/2…. the one where the Hangman has to explain to someone that his wife had been accidently erased during a battle of time lords.

Judge Dredd is a fascinating case. The United States may no longer exist in name, but to all intents and purposes Mega City One and Texas City are the USA. See the 2006 “Judge Dredd Origins” series for details. Dredd’s badge includes the stars and stripes, and his patriotism is arguably greater than even Captain America’s (Dredd was genetically chosen for the sole purpose of serving the state, whereas Cap is not even an official agent of the state). But technically the name USA is not there, and the flag and eagle that Dredd wears are in gold, not red white and blue. So I agree that he should not be on the list., But he should always be mentioned, because Dredd is the most flag-wearing hero of all, yet misses the list on technicalities.

I loved Doctor Tomorrow, and really wish it as a property could have gone further.

Steel, or at least the first one from the 40s (Steel, the Indestructible Man) was a great character, caught in the DC Implosion. I never really liked the one who joined the JLA, nor was I really happy with what happened to the original. The current one has promise, though I don’t know if the new JSA team has mentioned any plans for him.

Cheers,

B

Howabout Crashman from Gødland? his costume is red white & blue, although I can’t see any stars in the desing when I flip thru my copy of Hello Cosmic!…

Chris Tolworthy’s looked at the in-story explanations for Judge Dredd’s uniform, but it’s worth noting that in the real world, Dredd’s eagle emblem was inspired by General Franco’s use of the symbol (Dredd’s look being designed by Spanish artist Carlos Ezquerra).

There was an “All-American” is All-Star Squadron but that one was a *villain* based on the Ku Klux Klan.

Wasn’t The Shield the *very first* Patriotic hero? Not counting Uncle Sam, of course, who did not start as a comic book character.

Speaking of which, a story in The Spectre tried to replace Sam as “The Spirit of America” with a character named Super Patriot (I think) but he was quickly forgotten and Sam soon reappeared (with no explanation, but that’s DC for you.)

Daniel O' Dreams

July 5, 2009 at 5:51 pm

That was “Real American of the Phantom Empire” listed above. His costume definately was modeled on the flag despite being a villain.

The Shield’s also there.

Didn’t Super Patriot, or whatever the Sam replacement was, die in Our Worlds At War and was re-replaced by Uncle Sam? Am I remembering that right?

Daniel O' Dreams

July 5, 2009 at 6:00 pm

Also on Wonder Woman post-COIE; was it ever confirmed that her costume (specifically the shorts) was modeled on the American Flag on the uniform of her namesake, a crashed American pilot named Diana? Or was that just a popular fan theory?

Since that WOULD make her costume based on the American Flag but make her fairly ignorant of what it means would that qualify her or not? Well OK that wasn’t helpful at all… sorry.

Dunno if this counts, but in the Vertigo comics run of Shade the Changing Man, there was a demonic entity called The American Scream, sort of a personification of the dark side of the American Dream. Looked kinda like a zombie Uncle Sam.

And if you’re gonna mention First American, you should mention his sidekick, U.S.Angel.

Jake — I knew nothing about “Iron Patriot” until you mentioned the name!

Here’s how it went, a few years ago: I bought a copy of “Civil War #1.” I read it. I said to myself, “Well, this looks like it’s going to be lame.” I don’t think I have bought any new issues of any Marvel title since that time. (Back issues and TPB collections of old arcs, yes. But stuff that’s been “new” since Civil War started? No.)

So I hear, vaguely, that Norman Osborn has done very well for himself lately, but I haven’t actually seen any of that with my own eyes. (On the plus side, I’ve also managed to avoid reading the storyline which had Spidey suddenly lose his marbles and decide that making a deal with Mephisto was a brilliant plan which couldn’t possibly backfire!)

Nick Eden — sometime around the mid-90s, I bought a copy of “American Flagg #1″ at a sale. I read it. I just plain didn’t like it. I believe it’s still filed under “A” in one of the longboxes in my collection, the one devoted to “smaller” publishers (Marvel and DC and Image each have their own stacks of boxes), but I remember precious little about it now, and I’ve never bothered reading any of the later issues. So I find myself dependent upon what other people tell me about whether or not Flagg was in the habit of saying he considered himself a staunch defender of the best ideals of the already-defunct United States of America, etc.

If you can help narrow it down for me — for instance, point me to a specific issue of his title in which he made an impassioned speech about his love for the USA as he had heard of it in song and story, or whatever — then I’d be willing to make an effort to find and read a copy of that particular story so I could judge whether or not Flagg might belong on my Fourth Draft, a year from now. As it now stands, I don’t think there’s anyone on my list who only started wearing a flagsuit after the collapse of the USA of his native timeline, but I could be wrong, and it’s possible that someone could persuade me to add such a guy to the list!

Tornado Ninja Fan said: “American Maid was in the Tick cartoon.”

So I’ve heard — but by itself, that doesn’t tell me anything about whether or not she ever got at least a cameo in any Tick comc books, on top of her TV appearances. She’s been on the list for at least a year now, maybe two years, so it’s hard to remember — but I probably did a lot of Googling for her after someone nominated her for my list, and then I just couldn’t find enough “evidence” to let me make up my mind one way or the other as to whether she’d had any comic book appearances — so I inserted her on the list but added the note saying “details unclear,” et cetera. This year I simply left her old entry alone since I had no new knowledge on the subject. If anyone out there owns copies of all The Tick comics ever published, and can swear that “American Maid” ain’t in any of them, no way, no how, then please let me know! (I think I only own a single TPB collection of about 6 issues of the original “The Tick” series . . . but I’m sure there’s been more than that!)

Jeff Ramirez —

As far as I can remember — and I’ve got a full run of the first WildC.A.T.S. series (50 issues, I think, allowing for the fact that it seems to have started as a 4-issue mini which was then followed by #5, #6, and so forth) — Spartan never said his costume’s color scheme had anything to do with the American flag. If I’m wrong, and if he did say exactly that — back in his early years in the 1990s, or more recently (I have paid no attention to recent “reboots” and “relaunches” of various Wildstorm properties in the last few years) — then please point me to the exact comic book in question and I’ll see if I can confirm his patriotic stance! :)

John Chidley-Hill:

The note [Unconfirmed] basically means: “This character may well have existed, but I haven’t seen a picture of his typical costume with my own eyes (or not recently enough to swear to it), so he may or may not have worn something with red-white-and-blue elements which I could honestly call a flagsuit.”

I don’t believe I own a copy of “Astro City 1/2,” which would explain why I don’t remember seeing the All-American or Slugger in any Astro City issues I’ve looked at in the last few years. What probably happened was that a couple of years ago someone else nominated them when I was asking for suggestions for this list, and then I ended up putting them on the list, but with “Unconfirmed” notations to cover myself in case it turned out they didn’t wear flagsuit designs at all. I seem to recall that within the last couple of weeks, as I was updating this Third Draft, I did some Googling on them to see if I could pin down the details of their costumes, and I was unable to find any websites which had scanned images of those guys to show me exactly how they dressed in their comic book appearances.

The All-American and Slugger the Junior Dynamo also got a page in Astro City A Visitor’s Guide (2004).

Daniel O’ Dreams:

The post-crisis origin of WW’s costume was definitely portrayed in the comics. Essentially, George Perez wanted to explain a few pieces of Wonder Woman’s origin that didn’t jibe with the backstory:

1. How did a gun get on Paradise Island?

2. Why was Wonder Woman named Diana, when her people would have used the Greek name, Artemis?

3. Why did her costume have the colors of the American flag along with an eagle-like symbol.

To explain this, he created the character of Diana Trevor (Steve’s mom), an early female military pilot who crashed on PI years before Wonder Woman was born. She gave her life in helping the Amazons keep the demons inside Doom’s Doorway. The gun was her service revolver and they took the flag on her uniform and her pilot’s wings to be her coat of arms and they constructed armor based on that to give her an Amazon funeral. Later, those colors were given to Wonder Woman.

Post-Infinite Crisis- Who knows?

Matthew Johnson

July 6, 2009 at 6:45 am

Cynicalman’s superhero costume (the one he wears to work) has US flag-themed colours and patterns.

Also, don’t forget Major Victory (I) and Sparkler of the Force of July, and there was a Captain America analogue in one of the 90s Legion annuals. Anyone remember his name?

Gary Concord the Ultra-Man in Legionnaires annual 3 (1996) didn’t wear red-white-blue.
(But yes he was a Captain America analogue.)

Tim B — I know nothing about Crashman of Godland, but I’ll look into it.

Chris Tolworthy — hasn’t Cap (Steve Rogers, the only real Cap as far as I’m concerned) spent most of his career officially working for the United States government? That’s why, in the late 80s, there was a federal Commision which felt it could micromanage his activities. When Steve didn’t like that, he stripped off the uniform and handed it and the shield back to them, because those things (and the role associated with them) were, in fact, government property and he had no intention of sailing under false colors by pretending to still have federal approval if he didn’t. Then they hired John Walker as the new Cap while Steve developed a new role for himself for the next year and a half.

And once again, I’ve forgotten that I was on a PC which wouldn’t automatically populate the fields for my name and email when I posted on here. That previous comment, responding to Tim and Chris, was mine.

Matthew Johnson — I know almost nothing about Cynicalman, but I’ll look into it.

I believe I have a very terse entry for Major Victory (DC) on my list, which is meant to include the Force of July guy and any other user in the DCU. On the other hand, I don’t have Sparkler — because scanned images of the Force of July appeared to show a man in a white body suit, with bits of red, yellow, and black. (The black being the stars on his upper body.) I admit the stars and the stripes suggest a flagsuit theme, but he needs some blue in his costume is to meet the rules I laid down two years ago.

Likewise, if Timo R. is correct about Gary Concord not wearing a red-white-and-blue flagsuit design, then it doesn’t matter (for my purposes) if he was supposed to be a Captain America knockoff in other respects. :)

The “American Scream” monster also showed up at the end of The Spectre’s “American Gothic” arc. It did indeed look like an undead version of Uncle Sam. That was the same story that created DC’s Super-Patriot.

to Anonymous, Cap since his defrosting, doesn’t officially work for the U.S. government, he’s more or less an honorary SHIELD agent (sometimes he’s referred to as a shield agent other times not, I have read the entire run of Captain America since the defrosting and can’t think of any time in there where he was officially given true shield agent status) Cap has different levels of clearance for a lot of tasks that is a combination of his origin, shield affiliation and Avengers status, but he does not officially work for the U.S. government. He’ll help out when asked (which almost always leads to him being lied to in some way by the powers that be)

The commission unilaterly decided that since they gave Steve his costume and shield that they had the right to order him around and Steve basically told them to go shove it. Again Captain America has not been an official part of the U.S. Government since his defrosting, he is closer to a specialist that they call in when needed and is kept in the information loop because of the level of trust afforded him, his expertise, and that it makes it easier to ask his help if they don’t have to explain everything to him

Capt USA — the “Anonymous” guy you responded to was me, as I said in a follow-up post after I realized the PC I was on hadn’t automatically inserted my name. This is interesting — you’ve made me want to reread the beginning and ending issues of that year-and-half era when Steve was just “The Captain” and John Walker was “Captain America.”

Unfortunately, my car is broken down at the moment and the place where I’m currently sleeping at night is not the same place where my collection of Cap’s comics is. It will be awhile before I can properly research this. I believe I had the impression that since he was defrosted, Steve has collected some sort of government stipend most of the time (possibly in connection with being a member of the Avengers most of the time) and regarded the Captain America role as automatically placing him under the authority of Uncle Sam as long as he wore the costume and used the government-provided shield and so forth. I’ll probably end up rereading a bunch of stuff and then trying to start a new discussion thread about this on one of the regular CBR forums, since by the time I’m ready to share my findings, everyone will have forgotten about this page and these comments, and won’t be checking in regularly for new material down here at the bottom! :)

Some of us have a looong memory. It’s a good thing to remember. Pun intended.

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