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		<title>By: Awesome Halloween Superhero Costumes &#124; Clothing Shopping</title>
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		<dc:creator>Awesome Halloween Superhero Costumes &#124; Clothing Shopping</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Timo R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timo R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of us have a looong memory. It&#039;s a good thing to remember. Pun intended.</description>
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		<title>By: Lorendiac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorendiac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Capt USA -- the &quot;Anonymous&quot; guy you responded to was me, as I said in a follow-up post after I realized the PC I was on hadn&#039;t automatically inserted my name. This is interesting -- you&#039;ve made me want to reread the beginning and ending issues of that year-and-half era when Steve was just &quot;The Captain&quot; and John Walker was &quot;Captain America.&quot; 

Unfortunately, my car is broken down at the moment and the place where I&#039;m currently sleeping at night is not the same place where my collection of Cap&#039;s comics is. It will be awhile before I can properly research this. I believe I had the impression that since he was defrosted, Steve has collected some sort of government stipend most of the time (possibly in connection with being a member of the Avengers most of the time) and regarded the Captain America role as automatically placing him under the authority of Uncle Sam as long as he wore the costume and used the government-provided shield and so forth. I&#039;ll probably end up rereading a bunch of stuff and then trying to start a new discussion thread about this on one of the regular CBR forums, since by the time I&#039;m ready to share my findings, everyone will have forgotten about this page and these comments, and won&#039;t be checking in regularly for new material down here at the bottom! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capt USA -- the "Anonymous" guy you responded to was me, as I said in a follow-up post after I realized the PC I was on hadn't automatically inserted my name. This is interesting -- you've made me want to reread the beginning and ending issues of that year-and-half era when Steve was just "The Captain" and John Walker was "Captain America." </p>
<p>Unfortunately, my car is broken down at the moment and the place where I'm currently sleeping at night is not the same place where my collection of Cap's comics is. It will be awhile before I can properly research this. I believe I had the impression that since he was defrosted, Steve has collected some sort of government stipend most of the time (possibly in connection with being a member of the Avengers most of the time) and regarded the Captain America role as automatically placing him under the authority of Uncle Sam as long as he wore the costume and used the government-provided shield and so forth. I'll probably end up rereading a bunch of stuff and then trying to start a new discussion thread about this on one of the regular CBR forums, since by the time I'm ready to share my findings, everyone will have forgotten about this page and these comments, and won't be checking in regularly for new material down here at the bottom! <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Capt USA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capt USA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to Anonymous, Cap since his defrosting, doesn&#039;t officially work for the U.S. government, he&#039;s more or less an honorary SHIELD agent (sometimes he&#039;s referred to as a shield agent other times not, I have read the entire run of Captain America since the defrosting and can&#039;t think of any time in there where he was officially given true shield agent status) Cap has different levels of clearance for a lot of tasks that is a combination of his origin, shield affiliation and Avengers status, but he does not officially work for the U.S. government.  He&#039;ll help out when asked (which almost always leads to him being lied to in some way by the powers that be) 

The commission unilaterly decided that since they gave Steve his costume and shield that they had the right to order him around and Steve basically told them to go shove it. Again Captain America has not been an official part of the U.S. Government since his defrosting, he is closer to a specialist that they call in when needed and is kept in the information loop because of the level of trust afforded him, his expertise, and that it makes it easier to ask his help if they don&#039;t have to explain everything to him</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to Anonymous, Cap since his defrosting, doesn't officially work for the U.S. government, he's more or less an honorary SHIELD agent (sometimes he's referred to as a shield agent other times not, I have read the entire run of Captain America since the defrosting and can't think of any time in there where he was officially given true shield agent status) Cap has different levels of clearance for a lot of tasks that is a combination of his origin, shield affiliation and Avengers status, but he does not officially work for the U.S. government.  He'll help out when asked (which almost always leads to him being lied to in some way by the powers that be) </p>
<p>The commission unilaterly decided that since they gave Steve his costume and shield that they had the right to order him around and Steve basically told them to go shove it. Again Captain America has not been an official part of the U.S. Government since his defrosting, he is closer to a specialist that they call in when needed and is kept in the information loop because of the level of trust afforded him, his expertise, and that it makes it easier to ask his help if they don't have to explain everything to him</p>
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		<title>By: Sijo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sijo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;American Scream&quot; monster also showed up at the end of The Spectre&#039;s &quot;American Gothic&quot; arc. It did indeed look like an undead version of Uncle Sam. That was the same story that created DC&#039;s Super-Patriot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The "American Scream" monster also showed up at the end of The Spectre's "American Gothic" arc. It did indeed look like an undead version of Uncle Sam. That was the same story that created DC's Super-Patriot.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorendiac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorendiac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew Johnson -- I know almost nothing about Cynicalman, but I&#039;ll look into it. 

I believe I have a very terse entry for &lt;B&gt;Major Victory&lt;/B&gt; (DC) on my list, which is meant to include the Force of July guy and any other user in the DCU. On the other hand, I don&#039;t have Sparkler -- because scanned images of the Force of July appeared to show a man in a white body suit, with bits of red, yellow, and black. (The black being the stars on his upper body.) I admit the stars and the stripes suggest a flagsuit theme, but he needs some &lt;I&gt;blue&lt;/I&gt; in his costume is to meet the rules I laid down two years ago. 

Likewise, if Timo R. is correct about Gary Concord not wearing a red-white-and-blue flagsuit design, then it doesn&#039;t matter (for my purposes) if he was supposed to be a Captain America knockoff in &lt;I&gt;other&lt;/I&gt; respects. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew Johnson -- I know almost nothing about Cynicalman, but I'll look into it. </p>
<p>I believe I have a very terse entry for <b>Major Victory</b> (DC) on my list, which is meant to include the Force of July guy and any other user in the DCU. On the other hand, I don't have Sparkler -- because scanned images of the Force of July appeared to show a man in a white body suit, with bits of red, yellow, and black. (The black being the stars on his upper body.) I admit the stars and the stripes suggest a flagsuit theme, but he needs some <i>blue</i> in his costume is to meet the rules I laid down two years ago. </p>
<p>Likewise, if Timo R. is correct about Gary Concord not wearing a red-white-and-blue flagsuit design, then it doesn't matter (for my purposes) if he was supposed to be a Captain America knockoff in <i>other</i> respects. <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lorendiac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorendiac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And once again, I&#039;ve forgotten that I was on a PC which wouldn&#039;t automatically populate the fields for my name and email when I posted on here. That previous comment, responding to Tim and Chris, was mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And once again, I've forgotten that I was on a PC which wouldn't automatically populate the fields for my name and email when I posted on here. That previous comment, responding to Tim and Chris, was mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim B -- I know nothing about Crashman of Godland, but I&#039;ll look into it. 

Chris Tolworthy -- hasn&#039;t Cap (Steve Rogers, the only real Cap as far as I&#039;m concerned) spent &lt;I&gt;most of his career&lt;/I&gt; officially working for the United States government? That&#039;s why, in the late 80s, there was a federal Commision which felt it could micromanage his activities. When Steve didn&#039;t like that, he stripped off the uniform and handed it and the shield back to them, because those things (and the role associated with them) were, in fact, government property and he had no intention of sailing under false colors by pretending to still have federal approval if he didn&#039;t. Then they hired John Walker as the new Cap while Steve developed a new role for himself for the next year and a half.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim B -- I know nothing about Crashman of Godland, but I'll look into it. </p>
<p>Chris Tolworthy -- hasn't Cap (Steve Rogers, the only real Cap as far as I'm concerned) spent <i>most of his career</i> officially working for the United States government? That's why, in the late 80s, there was a federal Commision which felt it could micromanage his activities. When Steve didn't like that, he stripped off the uniform and handed it and the shield back to them, because those things (and the role associated with them) were, in fact, government property and he had no intention of sailing under false colors by pretending to still have federal approval if he didn't. Then they hired John Walker as the new Cap while Steve developed a new role for himself for the next year and a half.</p>
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		<title>By: Timo R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timo R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary Concord the Ultra-Man in Legionnaires annual 3 (1996) didn&#039;t wear red-white-blue.
(But yes he was a Captain America analogue.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary Concord the Ultra-Man in Legionnaires annual 3 (1996) didn't wear red-white-blue.<br />
(But yes he was a Captain America analogue.)</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cynicalman&#039;s superhero costume (the one he wears to work) has US flag-themed colours and patterns.

Also, don&#039;t forget Major Victory (I) and Sparkler of the Force of July, and there was a Captain America analogue in one of the 90s Legion annuals. Anyone remember his name?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynicalman's superhero costume (the one he wears to work) has US flag-themed colours and patterns.</p>
<p>Also, don't forget Major Victory (I) and Sparkler of the Force of July, and there was a Captain America analogue in one of the 90s Legion annuals. Anyone remember his name?</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel O&#039; Dreams:

The post-crisis origin of WW&#039;s costume was definitely portrayed in the comics.  Essentially, George Perez wanted to explain a few pieces of Wonder Woman&#039;s origin that didn&#039;t jibe with the backstory:

1. How did a gun get on Paradise Island?

2. Why was Wonder Woman named Diana, when her people would have used the Greek name, Artemis?

3.  Why did her costume have the colors of the American flag along with an eagle-like symbol.

To explain this, he created the character of Diana Trevor (Steve&#039;s mom), an early female military pilot who crashed on PI years before Wonder Woman was born.  She gave her life in helping the Amazons keep the demons inside Doom&#039;s Doorway.  The gun was her service revolver and they took the flag on her uniform and her pilot&#039;s wings to be her coat of arms and they constructed armor based on that to give her an Amazon funeral.  Later, those colors were given to Wonder Woman.

Post-Infinite Crisis- Who knows?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel O' Dreams:</p>
<p>The post-crisis origin of WW's costume was definitely portrayed in the comics.  Essentially, George Perez wanted to explain a few pieces of Wonder Woman's origin that didn't jibe with the backstory:</p>
<p>1. How did a gun get on Paradise Island?</p>
<p>2. Why was Wonder Woman named Diana, when her people would have used the Greek name, Artemis?</p>
<p>3.  Why did her costume have the colors of the American flag along with an eagle-like symbol.</p>
<p>To explain this, he created the character of Diana Trevor (Steve's mom), an early female military pilot who crashed on PI years before Wonder Woman was born.  She gave her life in helping the Amazons keep the demons inside Doom's Doorway.  The gun was her service revolver and they took the flag on her uniform and her pilot's wings to be her coat of arms and they constructed armor based on that to give her an Amazon funeral.  Later, those colors were given to Wonder Woman.</p>
<p>Post-Infinite Crisis- Who knows?</p>
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		<title>By: Timo R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timo R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The All-American and Slugger the Junior Dynamo also got a page in Astro City A Visitor&#039;s Guide (2004).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The All-American and Slugger the Junior Dynamo also got a page in Astro City A Visitor's Guide (2004).</p>
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		<title>By: Lorendiac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorendiac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Chidley-Hill:

The note [Unconfirmed] basically means: &quot;This character may well have existed, but I haven&#039;t seen a picture of his typical costume with my own eyes (or not recently enough to swear to it), so he &lt;I&gt;may or may not&lt;/I&gt; have worn something with red-white-and-blue elements which I could honestly call a flagsuit.&quot; 

I don&#039;t believe I own a copy of &quot;Astro City 1/2,&quot; which would explain why I don&#039;t remember seeing the All-American or Slugger in any Astro City issues I&#039;ve looked at in the last few years. What probably happened was that a couple of years ago someone else nominated them when I was asking for suggestions for this list, and then I ended up putting them on the list, but with &quot;Unconfirmed&quot; notations to cover myself in case it turned out they didn&#039;t wear flagsuit designs at all. I seem to recall that within the last couple of weeks, as I was updating this Third Draft, I did some Googling on them to see if I could pin down the details of their costumes, and I was unable to find any websites which had scanned images of those guys to show me exactly how they dressed in their comic book appearances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Chidley-Hill:</p>
<p>The note [Unconfirmed] basically means: "This character may well have existed, but I haven't seen a picture of his typical costume with my own eyes (or not recently enough to swear to it), so he <i>may or may not</i> have worn something with red-white-and-blue elements which I could honestly call a flagsuit." </p>
<p>I don't believe I own a copy of "Astro City 1/2," which would explain why I don't remember seeing the All-American or Slugger in any Astro City issues I've looked at in the last few years. What probably happened was that a couple of years ago someone else nominated them when I was asking for suggestions for this list, and then I ended up putting them on the list, but with "Unconfirmed" notations to cover myself in case it turned out they didn't wear flagsuit designs at all. I seem to recall that within the last couple of weeks, as I was updating this Third Draft, I did some Googling on them to see if I could pin down the details of their costumes, and I was unable to find any websites which had scanned images of those guys to show me exactly how they dressed in their comic book appearances.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorendiac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorendiac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff Ramirez -- 

As far as I can remember -- and I&#039;ve got a full run of the first WildC.A.T.S. series (50 issues, I think, allowing for the fact that it seems to have started as a 4-issue mini which was then followed by #5, #6, and so forth) -- Spartan never said his costume&#039;s color scheme had &lt;I&gt;anything&lt;/I&gt; to do with the American flag. If I&#039;m wrong, and if he did say exactly that -- back in his early years in the 1990s, or more recently (I have paid no attention to recent &quot;reboots&quot; and &quot;relaunches&quot; of various Wildstorm properties in the last few years) -- then please point me to the exact comic book in question and I&#039;ll see if I can confirm his patriotic stance! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff Ramirez -- </p>
<p>As far as I can remember -- and I've got a full run of the first WildC.A.T.S. series (50 issues, I think, allowing for the fact that it seems to have started as a 4-issue mini which was then followed by #5, #6, and so forth) -- Spartan never said his costume's color scheme had <i>anything</i> to do with the American flag. If I'm wrong, and if he did say exactly that -- back in his early years in the 1990s, or more recently (I have paid no attention to recent "reboots" and "relaunches" of various Wildstorm properties in the last few years) -- then please point me to the exact comic book in question and I'll see if I can confirm his patriotic stance! <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lorendiac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorendiac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tornado Ninja Fan said: &quot;American Maid was in the Tick cartoon.&quot;

So I&#039;ve heard -- but by itself, that doesn&#039;t tell me anything about &lt;I&gt;whether or not&lt;/I&gt; she ever got at least a cameo in any Tick comc books, on top of her TV appearances. She&#039;s been on the list for at least a year now, maybe two years, so it&#039;s hard to remember -- but I &lt;I&gt;probably&lt;/I&gt; did a lot of Googling for her after someone nominated her for my list, and then I just couldn&#039;t find enough &quot;evidence&quot; to let me make up my mind one way or the other as to whether she&#039;d had &lt;I&gt;any&lt;/I&gt; comic book appearances -- so I inserted her on the list but added the note saying &quot;details unclear,&quot; et cetera. This year I simply left her old entry alone since I had no new knowledge on the subject. If anyone out there owns copies of all The Tick comics ever published, and can swear that &quot;American Maid&quot; ain&#039;t in any of them, no way, no how, then please let me know! (I think I only own a single TPB collection of about 6 issues of the original &quot;The Tick&quot; series . . . but I&#039;m sure there&#039;s been more than that!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tornado Ninja Fan said: "American Maid was in the Tick cartoon."</p>
<p>So I've heard -- but by itself, that doesn't tell me anything about <i>whether or not</i> she ever got at least a cameo in any Tick comc books, on top of her TV appearances. She's been on the list for at least a year now, maybe two years, so it's hard to remember -- but I <i>probably</i> did a lot of Googling for her after someone nominated her for my list, and then I just couldn't find enough "evidence" to let me make up my mind one way or the other as to whether she'd had <i>any</i> comic book appearances -- so I inserted her on the list but added the note saying "details unclear," et cetera. This year I simply left her old entry alone since I had no new knowledge on the subject. If anyone out there owns copies of all The Tick comics ever published, and can swear that "American Maid" ain't in any of them, no way, no how, then please let me know! (I think I only own a single TPB collection of about 6 issues of the original "The Tick" series . . . but I'm sure there's been more than that!)</p>
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		<title>By: Lorendiac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorendiac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick Eden -- sometime around the mid-90s, I bought a copy of &quot;American Flagg #1&quot; at a sale. I read it. I just plain didn&#039;t like it. I believe it&#039;s still filed under &quot;A&quot; in one of the longboxes in my collection, the one devoted to &quot;smaller&quot; publishers (Marvel and DC and Image each have their own stacks of boxes), but I remember precious little about it now, and I&#039;ve never bothered reading any of the later issues. So I find myself dependent upon what other people tell me about whether or not Flagg was in the habit of saying he considered himself a staunch defender of the best ideals of the already-defunct United States of America, etc. 

If you can help narrow it down for me -- for instance, point me to a specific issue of his title in which he made an impassioned speech about his love for the USA as he had heard of it in song and story, or whatever -- then I&#039;d be willing to make an effort to find and read a copy of that particular story so I could judge whether or not Flagg might belong on my Fourth Draft, a year from now. As it now stands, I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anyone on my list who only &lt;i&gt;started&lt;/i&gt; wearing a flagsuit &lt;I&gt;after&lt;/I&gt; the collapse of the USA of his native timeline, but I could be wrong, and it&#039;s possible that someone could persuade me to add such a guy to the list!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick Eden -- sometime around the mid-90s, I bought a copy of "American Flagg #1" at a sale. I read it. I just plain didn't like it. I believe it's still filed under "A" in one of the longboxes in my collection, the one devoted to "smaller" publishers (Marvel and DC and Image each have their own stacks of boxes), but I remember precious little about it now, and I've never bothered reading any of the later issues. So I find myself dependent upon what other people tell me about whether or not Flagg was in the habit of saying he considered himself a staunch defender of the best ideals of the already-defunct United States of America, etc. </p>
<p>If you can help narrow it down for me -- for instance, point me to a specific issue of his title in which he made an impassioned speech about his love for the USA as he had heard of it in song and story, or whatever -- then I'd be willing to make an effort to find and read a copy of that particular story so I could judge whether or not Flagg might belong on my Fourth Draft, a year from now. As it now stands, I don't think there's anyone on my list who only <i>started</i> wearing a flagsuit <i>after</i> the collapse of the USA of his native timeline, but I could be wrong, and it's possible that someone could persuade me to add such a guy to the list!</p>
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		<title>By: Lorendiac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorendiac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake -- I knew nothing about &quot;Iron Patriot&quot; until you mentioned the name! 

Here&#039;s how it went, a few years ago: I bought a copy of &quot;Civil War #1.&quot; I read it. I said to myself, &quot;Well, this looks like it&#039;s going to be lame.&quot; I don&#039;t think I have bought any new issues of any Marvel title since that time. (Back issues and TPB collections of old arcs, yes. But stuff that&#039;s been &quot;new&quot; since Civil War started? No.)

So I hear, vaguely, that Norman Osborn has done very well for himself lately, but I haven&#039;t actually seen any of that with my own eyes. (On the plus side, I&#039;ve also managed to avoid reading the storyline which had Spidey suddenly lose his marbles and decide that making a deal with Mephisto was a brilliant plan which couldn&#039;t possibly backfire!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake -- I knew nothing about "Iron Patriot" until you mentioned the name! </p>
<p>Here's how it went, a few years ago: I bought a copy of "Civil War #1." I read it. I said to myself, "Well, this looks like it's going to be lame." I don't think I have bought any new issues of any Marvel title since that time. (Back issues and TPB collections of old arcs, yes. But stuff that's been "new" since Civil War started? No.)</p>
<p>So I hear, vaguely, that Norman Osborn has done very well for himself lately, but I haven't actually seen any of that with my own eyes. (On the plus side, I've also managed to avoid reading the storyline which had Spidey suddenly lose his marbles and decide that making a deal with Mephisto was a brilliant plan which couldn't possibly backfire!)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dunno if this counts, but in the Vertigo comics run of Shade the Changing Man, there was a demonic entity called The American Scream, sort of a personification of the dark side of the American Dream.  Looked kinda like a zombie Uncle Sam.

And if you&#039;re gonna mention First American, you should mention his sidekick, U.S.Angel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunno if this counts, but in the Vertigo comics run of Shade the Changing Man, there was a demonic entity called The American Scream, sort of a personification of the dark side of the American Dream.  Looked kinda like a zombie Uncle Sam.</p>
<p>And if you're gonna mention First American, you should mention his sidekick, U.S.Angel.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel O' Dreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel O' Dreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also on Wonder Woman post-COIE; was it ever confirmed that her costume (specifically the shorts) was modeled on the American Flag on the uniform of her namesake, a crashed American pilot named Diana? Or was that just a popular fan theory?

Since that WOULD make her costume based on the American Flag but make her fairly ignorant of what it means would that qualify her or not? Well OK that wasn&#039;t helpful at all... sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also on Wonder Woman post-COIE; was it ever confirmed that her costume (specifically the shorts) was modeled on the American Flag on the uniform of her namesake, a crashed American pilot named Diana? Or was that just a popular fan theory?</p>
<p>Since that WOULD make her costume based on the American Flag but make her fairly ignorant of what it means would that qualify her or not? Well OK that wasn't helpful at all... sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel O' Dreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel O' Dreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was &quot;Real American of the Phantom Empire&quot; listed above. His costume definately was modeled on the flag despite being a villain.

The Shield&#039;s also there.

Didn&#039;t Super Patriot, or whatever the Sam replacement was, die in Our Worlds At War and was re-replaced by Uncle Sam? Am I remembering that right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was "Real American of the Phantom Empire" listed above. His costume definately was modeled on the flag despite being a villain.</p>
<p>The Shield's also there.</p>
<p>Didn't Super Patriot, or whatever the Sam replacement was, die in Our Worlds At War and was re-replaced by Uncle Sam? Am I remembering that right?</p>
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