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Comics You Should Own – The Incredible Hulk #368-401

Don’t think I’ve forgotten about the next phase of Peter David’s run with the Jade Giant! Let’s call this the “integrated” period, shall we? And, although I haven’t typed this post yet, let’s assume there will be minor SPOILERS, okay? And remember, you can click on the images to super-size them!

The Incredible Hulk by Peter David (writer, issues #368-388, 390-401), Tom Field (writer, issue #389), Dale Keown (penciler, issues #369-77, 379, 381-88, 390-93, 395-98), Sam Kieth (penciler/inker, issue #368), Bill Jaaska (penciler, issues #378, 380), Gary Barker (penciler, issue #389), Herb Trimpe (penciler/inker, issue #393), Andrew Wildman (penciler, issue #394), Jan Duursema (artist, issues #399-401), Chris Bachalo (penciler, issue #400), Kelly [sic?] Jones (inker, issue #368), Bob McLeod (inker, issues #369-72, 374-77), Sam de la Rosa (inker, issue #373), Jeff Albrecht (inker, issues #378, 380), Mark Farmer (inker, issues #379, 381-86, 388-93, 395-98, 400), Joe Rubinstein (inker, issue #387), Charles Barnett (inker, issue #393), Chris Ivy (inker, issue #394), Brad Vancata (inker, issue #401), Joe Rosen (letterer, and Glynis Oliver (colorist).

Marvel, 34 issues (#368-401 of “volume 1″), cover dated April 1990-January 1993.

As David got more into his Hulk run, his long-term plan became clearer and clearer, reaching fruition early on in this section, with issue #377′s brilliant integration story. That issue gave us a new green Hulk, with all the strength of the earlier incarnation but the full intelligence of Bruce Banner. This Hulk never “becomes” Bruce, because this is how he looks when he’s fully integrated. But the brilliance of Peter David lies in the fact that, unlike many other writers, he doesn’t seismically shift the status quo of a series and then leave. He seismically shifts the status quo of a series and then asks, “What’s next?” He did it when Todd McFarlane left the book and he “killed” the Hulk, bringing him back as a Las Vegas enforcer. Then, when that storyline ran its course, he gives us a Hulk struggling against himself, as the gray Hulk and Banner try to keep the green Hulk locked inside their mind. That doesn’t work, so Leonard Samson psychoanalyzes Bruce and gets at the roots of his multiple personality disorder. Then, when we have an intelligent and more powerful than ever Hulk, David wonders what would happen next. And away we go again.

David previews this entire section of the story with issue #368, which is a single-issue tale featuring Mr. Hyde and art by the great Sam Kieth. Bruce Banner, having survived the murder attempt in “Countdown” (issues #364-67), jumps a train to escape the military and ends up in a box car with the Marvel villain, who recognizes him. Hyde tells him he should consider it “an honor to be able to become the Hulk … a being infinitely superior to humanity. The ultimate definition of glorious savagery.” Hyde hits a nerve, because even though the gray Hulk revels in being the Hulk, Banner resists. Hyde gets under his skin, and as we see, ten issues later, Samson manages to “create” a new Hulk, one with much of Banner’s personality but who loves being big, powerful, and green. (Although this is a standalone story, David also introduces the Pantheon in this issue, and Kieth gives Prometheus a beard, which is never seen again, interestingly enough.)

David also introduces early on another idea that will color this section of his run, and that is the futility of violence and what it does to people. This is most evident, of course, when Samson psychoanalyzes Bruce and our hero relives his father killing his mother after brutalizing her for years, but it’s also there in the entire Pantheon storyline. Even earlier, David begins toying with this idea when Freedom Force goes after the Hulk in issue #369. Crimson Commando (who always seemed to have a lot of potential as a character) muses that an old man like him should be enjoying time with his grandchildren instead of fighting all the time. When the team fights the Hulk, he realizes he’s completely outclassed and spends most of the battle on the sidelines, allowing the Blob and the Hulk to slug it out. Earlier in the issue, Bruce had met a family recovering from Hurricane Hugo, and he meets their young son, with whom he identifies, as Jack is also withdrawn (although Bruce’s leap to assuming Jack is being abused, while understandable because of what happened to him, is a bit much – young children who meet strangers are often withdrawn). Later in the issue, random violence from the fight spills over and injures Jack (and it’s nice that David makes the Hulk the instigator of the violent act that hurts Jack, heightening the irony a bit more), and Crimson Commando helps him dig Jack out of the rubble. Crimson Commando, again, wonders what kind of man he is to let this happen. Of course, David remains a clever writer, and once the Hulk makes sure Jack is safe, he knocks Crimson Commando unconscious before leaving.

This link between violence and its consequences manifests itself in many other ways during this run. The re-emergence of the green Hulk in issue #372 comes about because Betty is about to slip through Bruce’s fingers once more, and as it’s daytime, the gray Hulk can’t come out. Prometheus, who is tracking Bruce, traps him and keeps him from catching the train on which Betty is leaving, and Bruce’s anger brings out the raging Hulk once again (and also gives Keown a chance to provide one of the iconic images of the run, with Bruce’s skin flapping around an enraged monster). Once he’s out, the green Hulk won’t be contained anymore, and this prompts Samson’s integration (which I’ll get back to, I promise). Once the “Bruce” Hulk appears at the end of issue #377, the theme of violence and its consequences switches to what the Pantheon does. Once Bruce is recruited (which begins in issue #379, even though Bruce resists in that issue and ends up infiltrating the Pantheon’s headquarters by stealth), we begin to understand what the Pantheon is all about. According to their leader, Agamemnon, they work to bring about a perfect world, and occasionally this means using violence. In issues #386-87, Achilles, one of the Pantheon, goes rogue when he’s sent to bring in a child that the group’s oracle, Delphi, sees becoming a worse dictator than Hitler. David perhaps goes to the cliché well with the whole “would you kill Hitler as a child if you had the chance?” riff presented here, but it’s still a cogent point, especially when you consider that the Hulk comes down on the side of letting the child live. He makes it more interesting by having Sabra fight the Hulk even though they’re both on the same side – the Hulk can’t speak for a good part of the issues thanks to Sabra’s tranquilizing quills, so she doesn’t know he’s intelligent and trying to work with her – showing once again the consequences of mindless violence – perhaps things would have ended differently had Sabra and the Hulk worked together sooner. In issues #390-92, the Pantheon goes into Trans-Sabal and overthrows their corrupt dictator, and David does a fine job showing every side of the conflict. The ruler of Trans-Sabal is a monster, but as he puts it when the Pantheon and X-Factor (which guest-stars in these issues) confront him, “My people have a belief in their leaders that transcends your paltry notions. ‘High crimes’ implies I owe my people. I do not. They owe me, and have pledged me, their very lives. Just as an earthquake is an act of God … so are my actions taken on behalf of God. To attack me, accuse me … is to challenge God.” His people begin to bow down to him, and Ulysses of the Pantheon is about to kill him, but Bruce stops him. The people have to choose, he tells Ulysses. Of course, a few panels later, the Farnoq (that’s his title) is gunned down … by Rick Jones, who’s hiding in a mandroid suit. Rick had befriended a local who was then killed in battle, and he couldn’t allow the Farnoq to get away with it. Did he do the wrong thing? David leaves that question hanging. Ironically, one of the few times violence isn’t used to resolve a crisis, it’s during the Infinity Gauntlet crossover, when Bruce shrinks to about six inches tall and needs to help the Abomination’s wife, who has been kidnapped by her husband. Bruce convinces Emil Blonsky (the Abomination) to let Nadia go, and although he engages in a bit of slapstick violence, it’s basically just Bruce appealing to Blonsky’s still-human core and Blonsky finding that humanity within himself. David, interestingly enough, immediately contrasts this two-part story with a bloody tale of mob mentality in issue #385, when Bruce himself “solves” the problem through violence and thinks nothing of it. In some comics, this would be a case of a writer simply ignoring what he’s done before to fit the story, but when we read The Incredible Hulk as a whole, it’s clear that David is having the Hulk struggle with this idea that violence can solve a great many problems, but it might not always be the best thing to do.

As interesting as this theme is, the major theme of this section of David’s run is, of course, the integration of Bruce’s psyche. In issue #393, the 30th anniversary comic, David cleverly brings the Hulk’s history into this idea, as Dr. Samson points out that other “cures” of the Hulk’s condition simply treated the symptoms and not the cause, so the fact that other writers worked with the Hulk’s multiple personalities becomes just part of the process, and not a very efficacious part at that. It ties the long-standing tradition of the Hulk being a subsumed part of Bruce Banner’s personality in with David’s run and even makes parts of the history that had nothing to do with multiple personalities seem to fit into it. David also has Samson express doubts that his psychoanalysis worked all that well, something astute readers probably noticed when the run was first published – in one issue (#377), Leonard Samson figures out the core problem with Bruce and why his personality splintered, plus he rebuilds his personality into a whole, with the green-skinned, gigantic, and intelligent Bruce becoming dominant. Even for comic books, where no one wants to read issue after issue of psychoanalysis, it seems Samson works a miracle, and David addresses this. We’re just waiting for the powder keg to blow, again.

While issue #377 is a powerful story on its own, the subsequent issues, in which Bruce becomes more and more superheroic, are fascinating as well, mainly because of Bruce’s relationship with Betty. Obviously, these two people are extreme personalities – Bruce finds Betty in a convent, after all – and suddenly, the dynamic of their relationship changes, and neither knows how to handle it. Bruce has gone from a wallflower to an A-type personality, and Betty isn’t sure what to make of it. Bruce, for his part, thinks that Betty should just accept the new him, which is a bit of a reach for anyone (this is nicely paralleled in the Abomination story). The evolution of Betty’s character is one of the best parts of this section of the run. In issue #381, Marlo asks Betty to room with her, and the conversation they have is pointed: Marlo says, “Are you going to put your entire life on hold, waiting for him to come back?” Betty replies, “I don’t have a life outside Bruce,” and Marlo asks, “Then don’t you think it’s about time you got one?” This leads to a new friendship for Betty and a new life as well. Marlo and Betty get drunk, Betty mocks what earlier writers have done to her (they laugh about the time Betty was Harpy, with Marlo confusing her with Harpo Marx), Marlo dyes Betty’s hair green (mistakenly), then blonde, and Betty gets a job. David does a marvelous job turning her into a real character instead of one who reflects Bruce. In issue #383, Bruce tells her they’re going to live with the Pantheon in their hollowed-out mountain, but Betty doesn’t want to go. She flinches when Bruce reaches out to her, and we see how far apart they’ve grown. Later in the issue, she tells Marlo, “I want to feel needed. When Bruce was Bruce, he needed me. Desperately. I want to be someone that he can’t live without. You saw how easily he blew out of here and left me behind.” She admits that it’s selfish, but that’s the way she feels. David never makes anything easy, of course, as we learn at the end of issue #388, when Bruce tells her he’ll always be there for her, no matter what. Betty’s evolution as a character is necessary so she can deal with threats like Rick’s so-called mother, Jackie Shorr, who tries to kill Rick and succeeds in killing Marlo. The old Betty couldn’t have survived a threat like Jackie, but the new Betty can. Betty also needs to come back around to loving Bruce, the new Bruce, and she can’t do that unless she’s able to recreate herself as a new person, one who can deal with the new Bruce on his own terms rather than the way she did with the old Bruce, as someone who “needs her.” The love story between the two, which was always a bit formulaic, becomes more real under David’s stewardship. These are two people who love each other not out of any ulterior motives, but because they simply love each other. It’s one of the more impressive themes in this section of David’s work on the title.

Obviously, this is one of the more “super-heroic” times in the Hulk’s history, as he’s fully in charge of his faculties and super-strong, plus he’s been recruited by a group of do-gooders. David, of course, uses this to explore a bunch of different themes about the abuse of power, but he doesn’t get into it too much until after issue #400. With the earlier sections of David’s run, there were clearly defined ends to that story – the destruction of Middletown that coincided with McFarlane leaving the book, and the end of the Hulk’s time in Las Vegas that coincided with Jeff Purves leaving – but this section doesn’t really have a clear end, as it blends easily into the next section. One would think that issue #400, which featured the death of the Leader and the pseudo-resurrection of Marlo, would be a good place to end, but issue #401 ties up some of the loose ends from that issue and leads into Bruce’s leadership of the Pantheon. With issue #400, David makes a final statement about the two main themes running through the book at this time: the uselessness of violence and the integration of Bruce’s personalities. It’s interesting that the Leader can push all the right buttons to drive Bruce over the edge, costing Marlo a chance at a complete resurrection and leading to a new and more dangerous leader for the survivors of Middletown. Bruce doesn’t consider the consequences of his actions, and David, who hints over the course of several issues that the integration of his personalities isn’t complete, makes it more obvious in this issue. It’s a good climax, but David immediately begins to examine the aftermath of Bruce’s actions, which form the basis of the next section of the run.

As usual, David has a fantastic artistic partner on The Incredible Hulk. After the bombast of McFarlane and the grittiness of Purves, Dale Keown’s magnificent pencils turn this into more of a super-hero comic, and as usual, this fits with what David is doing to the character. Purves made Mr. Fixit an almost believable mob enforcer, but Keown makes Bruce gigantic, both less and more monstrous than he had been before. On the one hand, he’s a “person” in that Bruce’s personality is the dominant one, and in one scene, Keown puts him in eyeglasses and combs his hair back, giving Rick a reason to mock him. On the other hand, Keown makes Bruce truly huge, bursting from the book like the alpha male he’s become, intimidating everyone around him, including Betty, which, combined with David’s insightful writing, shows us how different their relationship has become. Keown has a wonderfully clean style, and although Bob McLeod does a decent job inking him, once he’s paired with Mark Farmer, the art really goes up a level. Keown was adept at some of the darker stories too, such as the Abomination story and issue #385, but he’s best when the Hulk is smashing the hell out of things. He didn’t appear rushed, either, as he managed to draw 26 of the 34 issues, and he only stopped because (presumably) he went off to Image. It’s a shame that he didn’t finish the final storyline, “Ghost of the Past,” which, despite Duursema’s solid fill-in art, lacks some of the dynamism that Keown brought to the book. It’s interesting to compare Keown’s current work with his Hulk work, because he fell into the “Image style trap” and has never gotten out of it. This run really remains the high point of his comics career, which, considering how long has passed since it ended, is somewhat unfortunate.

David leaves this section of his run behind with a lot on his plate: Bruce running the Pantheon, Marlo in a coma, a new foe, secret romance in the Pantheon, and a nagging suspicion that Bruce isn’t as healthy as he’d like everyone to believe. It provided a lot of fodder for the new stories, but, of course, that’s a different post. For now, let’s just appreciate, once again, how much he had already gotten out of the Hulk. These issues take the character to new heights, and that’s saying something, considering how good the title had already gotten with David at the helm. So of course it doesn’t appear it’s all been collected. There are two Visionaries trades (volumes 5 and 6), collecting issues #364-372 and #373-382, but nothing else. Why would Marvel want to collect one of the best stories they’ve published in the past 30 years? Yeah, it makes no sense to me! But you can get some of them in trade format!

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33 Comments

I once had a copy of #393 simply because it seemed like an IMPORTANT issue. I remember nothing about it. At some point, I hope to get into this run since I like David’s writing and it IS a classic one.

Another fantastic column– this section of the run is where my first Hulk comics came from. The Merged Hulk was fascinating, though a bit of a shock to a kid who only knew the Bill Bixby show– but it’s definitely my favorite of Peter David’s works. I’ve got to get around to tracking down more of the back issues, or breaking down and buying the trades.

My favorite run of anything, ever. Hands down.

This is the first run of a title I can remember–I actually traded for some of these issues on the school bus!

This has everything 7-year-old me was looking for in a comic. Each issue is packed with content, but I believe one of Peter David’s great strengths is to include a lot of plot without a story seeming like a writing exercise. It’s always based in characterization, and it always follows. When I think “Marvel comic,” this is what I think of.

Chad: Issue #393 is the one about the Russian who didn’t stop the countdown on the gamma bomb, thereby sort of causing the Hulk’s birth. Bruce tries to show him how horrible he is for causing so much misery, and he responds (before losing his mind) that he should also get the credit for all the good the Hulk has done. It’s a nice little story. There’s a second, humorous story, and a bunch of pin-ups as well.

Oh, and it is “Kelley Jones.” I guess the credit in the issue was wrong? Probably doing business over the phone.

Dan: Yeah, I figured it was THE Kelley Jones, but that’s how it’s spelled in the issue, so I couldn’t be sure! It’s a common enough name, after all.

Loved, loved, loved these comics. I also thought it was great how well these issues segued into the second half of the Pantheon run, issues 402-426 (plus the two-part Future Imperfect, which is very briefly alluded to in #401, but not brought into continuity until #416). Hulk was never quite so good after this period.

Man, has it been almost 20 years since these stories? The artists have come a LONG way since they were published. Keown’s work was wonderful here, but he looked phenomenal when he reunited with PAD on Hulk: The End. I’ve also got to give a nod to Jan Duursema: while I thought her fill in on those three issues was Keown-lite, she’s made leaps and bounds since then. Check out her work on Star Wars: Republic and Legacy; you’d swear it’s not the same artist.

my favorite run of hulk espically how peter shows that even with the personalities merged that the hulk is still stuck as Dr. Jekle mr. Hyde split. though hated how marlo was treated during the run.

By the way, assuming some Marvel editor is reading this: PLEASE get the next two (or ten) volumes of Hulk Visionaries: Peter David out. We’re only up to #382, and it feels like I have a gaping hole on my bookshelf.

Ok, so this may be a little off topic but a long time ago I remember reading a hulk trade from the library. All I remember about it was that Bruce Banner was bald and he was staying in this cheap motel or something and he was on the run because I think he accidentally killed a little girl Frankenstein-style. My memory is vague, but if anyone knows anything about it, like who made it and when or what exactly is what about could you let me know? It’s been bugging me for a while now.

You’re thinking of Bruce Jones’ Hulk run there, Jake, but as for which trade, I couldn’t tell you. You just described all of them.

OMG, THANK YOU. I feel like I knew that all along, I just didn’t know I knew it, you know?

I recall a rather funny bit with the inverse-Integrated Hulk: The Rampaging Hulk’s mind in Bruce Banner’s body. Was that part of David’s run?

Dario Delfino

July 12, 2009 at 2:33 pm

The best the Hulk has ever been. I’ve yet to see anything come close to PAD’s run. His return on the new series, pre-Planet Hulk/WWH was great too (Tempest Fugit/Dear Tricia).

They haven’t gotten to getting these in the Visionaries trades yet because they were busy putting out the ones that came before. This is next on the docket.

And technically, the “integrated” period went on until somewhere in the 440s, when Banner and Hulk were split during Onslaught so that Jim Lee could have a Hulk in his Iron Man redux.

PS: Marc, the Savage Banner made his debut in issue 425.

I’ll have to read the whole David Hulk run someday, I’ve only read a few issues here and there.

Best Hulk run for me is the Bill Mantlo/Sal Buscema run of the late 70s/early 80s, the 50 or so issues from Jarella’s death up to Hulk’s exile to the crossroad in #300.

Mike Loughlin

July 12, 2009 at 5:15 pm

Jake: I think the 1st Bruce Jones trade was called “Return of the Monster.”

Greg: Excellent write-up of my favorite run of comics ever. David & Keown could not be beat in the early ’90s. I drifted in and out of X-Men, Batman, Spider-Man, etc., but I bought each issue of Hulk as soon as it came out.

I want to mention the Bill Jaaska issues: Hulk 378 was a funny Christmas story starring the grey Hulk, better than most Christmas super-hero comics. Issue 380, however, was a moving Doc Samson story about a woman on Death Row. David created a believable, sympathetic yet detestable character, Crazy Eight, and just left me devestated when her story was over. Another issue dealing with the futility and ugliness of violence, to be sure.

Mike: Yeah, I probably should have mentioned Crazy Eight. That was a really nice issue.

I agree with Michael P above that the “integrated” Hulk continued until #445, although he’d been showing varying moodswings by that point. It might be better to classify the period from #368 to #426 as “the Pantheon period.” This period had a definite “feel”: it had the regular supporting cast of Betty, Rick, and Marlo; it had the Hulk getting successfully integrated into a super-team in a way he’d never done with the Defenders; it had relatively consistent artwork (in my younger days, I didn’t quite notice when Keown left and Gary Frank came on).

After #426, Hulk entered into this sort-of limbo period where it didn’t seem like anyone, creative team included, knew where the character was going. The cast was whittled down to just Betty and a few unknowns; Hulk relocated to a small town in a Florida swamp, but regularly took off for New York; the plot device of the “Savage Banner” was just sort of…there…without really being exploited usefully until the “Ghosts of the Future” story. The art also suffered: Liam Sharpe replaced Gary Frank, but not for very long; some fill-ins came on, followed by Angel Medina, who started out well but seriously declined only a few issues in. This continued until #447, when the “gravage” Hulk was introduced and Deodato took over on art.

Anyway, yeah…the “integrated” Hulk was still running around by #445, but the book had nothing close to the status quo it did two years before. I really think that era ended with #426, so I hope the next “Comics You Should Own” goes up to that point.

Adam: Your wish is my command! I thought about doing this post about the entire run up to #425 or so, but that would be a really long post! Perhaps this have been the Pantheon, Part One, while the next is the Pantheon, Part Two. I’ll get to it, though, I promise!

I enjoyed David’s Hulk well enough through the Mr. Fixit phase, but his writing became insufferably smug by this point. There were interesting ideas and the art was great, so I still picked up some issues occassionally, but the book as a whole just didn’t work for me. One of my many issues with David’s work is that he seems to just write whatever he feels like writing, regardless of its compatibility with the book that he’s writiing. (I can see why many people probably see this as a strength- YMMV). The Pantheon always seemed incongruous with the Hulk, much in the same way that Earthborn angel stuff didn’t work with Supergirl.

Regardless, this was a nice write-up, Greg.

Another strong point for Peter David’s run on the book from #368 through #401 – he would plant subtle seeds for future stories, then take his time letting the story grow. For example, there’s a scene in #382 (reflected on the cover) that doesn’t pay off until #400. And Prometheus appears several times in the book before he takes on the Hulk in #372, and other members of the Pantheon aren’t introduced for several issues after that story (the goofy fun of the two-part Rick Jones book-signing story, the issue where Doc Samson integrates the Hulk, and the Rhino Christmas tale come in between). For superhero comics, this much time could seem like an eternity, but for a committed, long term reader like I was, each issue read like a building block for a grand narrative.

Also, David would sometimes break away from the integrated Hulk/Pantheon story for very good “stand alone” issues that went in other directions. The Crazy 8 issue is one example; the encounter between Rick Jones, Bruce and Man Thing (#389) is another – David wrote a story there paralleling the similarities between Bruce Banner and Ted Sallis (both victims of their own scientific exploration) – I don’t know if any writer at Marvel had done that before.

James: As good as the Man-Thing story was, David didn’t write it. I’m not sure why.

You’re right about the long-term planning, though, which is why, despite all the puns, I still like David’s writing. In both Fallen Angel and X-Factor, he lays down plot points that pay off months or years later (in our time), and I like that kind of use of the medium.

Dan: That was one of the main points that people disagreed with me about when I wrote about David’s Aquaman – that he wanted to tell a story, and he wasn’t going to let the presence of Aquaman get in his way! I don’t mind it all that much, because it’s always interesting to see fresh takes on characters, and unlike many writers (to T.’s chagrin), David usually sticks around to follow through with the consequences.

Greg – I’m not gonna read your overview of these issues… BECAUSE I GOTTA READ THE ISSUES FIRST! Thx for the tip – I’m gonna try and pick these up from my comic shop on your recommendation.

First Hulk I ever read was the “integrated” one; it didn’t seem so strange to me, but it helped that I knew the traditional backstory even without the Internet.

Personally, I’m partial to Pak’s Hulk as we saw in WWH – a slightly smarter and more in-control version of the original-Avengers-era portrayal. He’s a thinking natural disaster acting out his rage on the world, but he’s not an outright child in speech and manner. Not that the childlike Hulk can’t be done to good effect (see the latest movie).

> There are two Visionaries trades (volumes 5 and 6),
> collecting issues #364-372 and #373-382, but
> nothing else. Why would Marvel want to collect one
> of the best stories they’ve published in the past 30
> years? Yeah, it makes no sense to me! But you can
> get some of them in trade format!

I don’t think it’s really fair to criticize Marvel for this. They’ve been steadily releasing new volumes of Hulk Visionaries: Peter David for the past five years, and in order to collect his entire run (not counting Tempest Fugit and onward!), it would likely take over 20 volumes. Can’t say for sure, but I imagine each of these trades takes a fair amount of work to put out, likely including color restoration. Let them take their time and do release these properly.

I’ve really been meaning to remedy my complete lack of having read the PAD Hulk run. I have lots of Hulk in my collection, but it’s all the earlier stuff (Trimpe, Buscema et al.). I do love the Hulk character, so yes, I plan to– real soon– get at this celebrated Peter David Hulk run. The thing is so massive though.

I was thinking of starting off with the middle section roughly 348-368, because a) I don’t much like Todd McFarlane’s art and b) I Have heard this middle period of PAD was the high water mark of the whole long run. But I’m hearing good things about the Dale Keown period (and that is nice art!).

What do others hear think… where should I start? Is it necessary to jump in at the beginning with McFarlane even though his art leaves me feeling cold, and even a little hostile?

Mark: I’m not sure when the last Visionaries volume came out, but you make a fair point. I just hope they actually have plans to continue with releasing them in trade.

benday-dot: Well, some of what David does in later issues begins when McFarlane was drawing the book, so you might have to go back to that! It’s actually kind of interesting to see McFarlane back before he became “Todd McFarlane,” because although I wouldn’t call the art great, especially in comparison to Purves and Keown, who followed him, I would say that it’s less obnoxious than it became, and it’s certainly dynamic. If you start with issue #347 (the first Mr. Fixit issue), you can probably catch up if you really don’t like McFarlane’s art. I already wrote about issues #331-346 (the McFarlane issues) if you want to check out some samples of his art on this book.

> I’m not sure when the last Visionaries volume came out, but you make a fair point

Per Amazon, the most recent volume (#6) came out in February.

http://www.amazon.com/Incredible-Hulk-Visionaries-Peter-David/dp/0785137629

On an only vaguely related point, I would kill for a Hulk Visionaries: Bill Mantlo series. Mantlo’s where David drew a lot of the basis for his work.

Man, that is the coolest stuff ever. They should put it in the Smithsonian!

I have most or all of those issues and their great. You have stuff like the Green Hulk coming back and the Grey Hulk was always enjoyable. I can give or take the Pantheon, but once again, I still enjoyed it. You had Keown!

Peter David’s was the best.

Thanks for the advice Greg!

The David/Keown Hulk run came during my first forays into comics and much like McFarlane’s run on Amazing Spiderman and Claremont/Lee’s Uncanny X-Men, these comics hooked me into Marvel (whereas DC at the time was just “meh”, even with all of their stunts like Death of Superman).
I think this is indeed one of the best runs ever. The “integrated” Hulk was probably my favorite version of the Hulk as well.
The intelligence of Banner, the “tough guy” mentality of Mr. Fixit and the strength of the Green Hulk (the strongest Hulk). If this guy couldn’t pummel you with his bare hands, hell beat you with his strategy and brains. This is one guy you don’t wanna mess with. Too bad he didn’t meet Wolverine in this state.

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Comics Should Be Good accepts review copies. Anything sent to us will (for better or for worse) end up reviewed on the blog. See where to send the review copies.

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