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A Year of Cool Comic Book Moments – Day 218

Here is the latest cool comic book moment in our year-long look at one cool comic book moment a day (in no particular order whatsoever)! Here‘s the archive of the moments posted so far!

Today we look at a time when Doctor Doom realized he shouldn’t underestimate Luke Cage…

In Luke Cage, Hero for Hire #9, written by Steve Englehart and drawn by George Tuska, Luke Cage borrows a jet plane from the Fantastic Four to go see a Doctor about a bill.

Doctor Doom had hired Cage a few issues earlier and stiffed him the $200 fee, and Cage was not having it.

He arrived in Latveria during a coup and soon made his way to Doom’s lair…

Cage was not going to let this guy kill Doom in cold blood, so he saved Doom’s life but then refused Doom’s offer to go after the guy who shot at Doom, saying he had no beef with him…

Englehart sure knew how to do offbeat!!

Of course, “the” moment is the “Where’s my money, honey?” bit. That’s hilarious.

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I’m partial to “And this is a sample of my fist!”

Second panel, bad bit of proofreading there!

Luke Cage was the first to try that tactic? Really? Wow…

The Faceless One? Bwah-hah-hah-hah-haaaaaaaaa! Is the idea of that get-up top immobilise your opponent with laughter???

It’s also funny how he refers to Doom as “Doctor”… I think that’s the first time I’ve ever seen anyone use that rather than “Doom”…

Y’know, if somebody stiffed Doom $200, he’d have been all over them….

And where did he get the $200? It’s not like Doom keeps a wallet in that tunic with all kinds of foreign currency, does he?

This is pretty funny. Would be better if it was out of continuity, because it is stupid, but very funny. I mean, come on, Doom could destroy Luke Cage in about three seconds. And he just pulls US Dollars out of his armored butt somehow… just ridiculous. But definitely funny.

It reminds me of that issue of Spider-Man from a few years back where Doom is trying to get on a plane and having a helluva time with security. It is stupid and moronic and wouldn’t make sense to a five year old, but it was kind of funny. It would have worked better in What The?! than Spider-Man, but whatever.

Furious George

August 7, 2009 at 5:45 am

Luke Cage must have some big, brass ones to walk into Doom’s castle and simply ask for his money.

And I love how Doom’s ego is so big that he thinks Cage is there to bring him to justice and gets infuriated when he finds out the real reason.

I’m sorry…this just doesn’t doit for me…there’s nothing signifigant about Luke Cage…just a Marvel knockoff of “Shaft” which was big at the time and trying to penetrate that market. Blank Panther was a much more profound character. Haven’t seen anything from you about that.
Unrelated item: Can we get some Harlan Ellison in?…some classic Hulk stuff…his Jarella series was groundbreaking.

“Where’s my money, honey?” should be on the list of most iconic Marvel panels.

Probably won’t be, but it should. ;)

(Gotta admire the tenacity of someone who’d go halfway around the world and invade a foreign country just to collect on $200…)

This is the sequence I show my friends when I tell them “Comics are awesome.” The most racially sensitive? No. But for pure glee, it doesn’t get better then Luke Cage saying “Where’s my money, honey?!”

Also, very partial to Doom acting like an old biddy and talking about how difficult it is to even open his wallet. Half expected him to have a change purse.

Looked like Doom just pulled the money out of his sock drawer… assuming he needs socks.

If they had played up Doom laughing, hand over face, a bit more, that could’ve been the moment.

So, did Luke have to pay to refuel the Fanstasticar? He probably ended up losing money on the deal.

On a second read, this scene reminds me of the “Acts of Vengeance” issues of the Punisher where Frank Castle also invades Latveria. Some great moments in those two issues, especially given how hokey a Punisher/Dr. Doom fight should be. How about a Cool Moment from them?

That was really, REALLY awesome. And I mean that totally ironically. And not in a camp way. I never read Cage’s old book but damn, that is really good. And one of the few times Cage came off genuinely black to me, although in a 70s way.

Wait…Luke Cage was paid a mere $200 for busting up Doombots? The man may never fail to collect a debt, but does he know how to negotiate a price? Doom has access to a TIME MACHINE but he can’t even go up to a grand?

Greatest moment ever? Could be, could be…

This is amazing. I’m pretty much only familiar with the current New Avengers Luke Cage, but this one is way more bad ass. Who walks into Doom’s castle looking for $200? So ludicrous but so awesome. This immediately reminded me of the Mel Gibson movie Payback. I just rewatched it, and the idea of someone kicking all kinds of ass to get a comically low sum of money is just awesome.

“Where’s my money, Honey ?”
“And this is a sample of my fist !”

EPIC !!

Am I the only one thinking about “Better Off Dead”?

Crap, I forgot to mention that, Dean. I totally meant to!

Stephane Savoie

August 7, 2009 at 7:30 am

Wait until Cage gets Reed’s bill for jet fuel…

I told you guys Doom was lame. Not that Luke isn’t awesome . . .he totally is. I love this moment. And the knot it gets some peoples’ panties in.

Dean,

I actually thought of Family Guy when Stewie was trying to get Brian to pay of a $50 bet. “Where’s my money, man?”.

For me, the moment is totally “When my men said there was a crazy black man in the Fantastic Four’s Fantasticar I knew it had to be you!”

I told you guys Doom was lame. Not that Luke isn’t awesome . . .he totally is. I love this moment. And the knot it gets some peoples’ panties in.

Sorry, but this actually proves you wrong. It’s just more proof that Doom is awesome, not lame.

How? He’s an egomaniac who freaks out when he gets beat (yet again).

Is it wrong that the only thing I see odd about this sequence is that Doom stiffed Cage in the first place?

One of the most awesome and hilarious encounters ever.

You shoulda seen what the hot tub repairman did to Doom, though. Sheesh. And you thought Cage was a badass.

Why did Mr Bic have such a beef with Doom?

Hey Brian, when do you get to the one where Green Arrow asks Green Lantern about his three-way with the Huntress and Lady Blackhawk?

“Creamin’ my ribs!”

They just don’t write comic book jive like they used to.

Here’s another vote for “where’s my money, honey?” as an iconic marvel panel.

loved how doom got mad when cage would not back down then when Luke figured out if you hit doom in one area his armour becomes weak. then doom after Luke saves him pays him. after all . a true classic for Luke does not take anything from any one not even doom

How? He’s an egomaniac who freaks out when he gets beat (yet again).

Egomaniac that loses repeatedly? Well that part’s a given for ANY villain. By that standard every longtime villain ever is lame.

I mean, what’s specific about Doom compared to other good villains that makes him lame?

Dean,

I actually thought of Family Guy when Stewie was trying to get Brian to pay of a $50 bet. “Where’s my money, man?”.

I thought of Better Off Dead with the paperboy obsessed with getting $2. Didnt see the Family Guy ep of which you speak but it probably ripped off Better Off Dead, since every good joke on the show is ripped off from 80s nostalgia.

I love the idea that Doom designed his armor to resist anything except being punched a lot. Particularly because, you know, it’s not like he hasn’t met Ben Grimm.

It’s like my favorite line from Harold & Kumar: “Bullets! My only weakness! How did you know?”

Didnt see the Family Guy ep of which you speak but it probably ripped off Better Off Dead, since every good joke on the show is ripped off from 80s nostalgia.

I dunno if the Family Guy bit is riffing on anything established (I would not be surprised if true), but it’s not riffing off of Better Off Dead. It’s more of a standard “mob guy wanting money” type joke (“Where’s my money? Where’ my money?”).

I also agree that the “crazy Black man in a Fantasticar” line was the moment for me. Third the vote for Most iconic panels ever for that one.

Crazy black man in a Fantasticar, I know, I know, it’s serious.

Hmmm, doesn’t scan.

I just can’t see Doom stiffing someone on a debt. Seems to me he would find that to be dishonorable. In fact, I remember that being addressed in an issue of Damage Control.

“CRAM SYMPATHY, JACK!” And the sound-effect behind Cage.

“Crazy black man driving the Fantasticar” – who ELSE could it be? Brother Voodoo?

Englehart should have had Cage say “Bitch better have my money!”

“Yeah, you got money to buy killer robots…”

Is it wrong that the only thing I see odd about this sequence is that Doom stiffed Cage in the first place?

No, that bothered me when I read it all those years ago. Doom talks of honor so much in other stories, and even Marvel heroes have believed him at times when he has said his word is his bond.

I thought this story ironic when later Cage actually became a member of the Fantastic Four…for a fee, for a while.

The Faceless One is depicted badly here — the dome is too big — but was the subject of one cool moment (drawn by Wally Wood) in one of his first appearances in an early issue of Astonishing Tales that Doom shared with Ka-Zar. Perhaps Brian would consider it. There’s more to him than meets the eye here.

I always thought Englehart wrote the worst Doom. He also wrote the one where he tried to use the droit du seigneur on a peasant girl in Latveria while taking his hounds out on a morning wolfhunt.

@Dean,

Right there with you on the Better Off Dead. If this scene would have been at a skiing resort, I would have wet myself laughing.

Personally I thought the moment was Doom coughing up the dough. He’d just been broken and saved by someone squeezing him into keeping his word. Hilarious!

I’d say that my reason for preferring Doctor Doom above other villains despite his appearances in some poorly written stories goes all the way back to two of his 1960s appearances: a pair of complementary moments in the second story from Fantastic Four Annual #2 and his one-page cameo in Strange Tales #167.

The Strange Tales thing is pretty easy to seek out in today’s era of reprints galore, so I’ll specify the FF Annual moments. In the first, Doom has just used a hallucination-inducing bit of Kirbytech to set the FF against one another, and he steps back from his (successful) plan for a moment. He reflects that even killing the FF won’t make his life any better, and won’t make him anything more than a disfigured monster of a man; in deliberate self-torment, he removes his mask and looks into a mirror. Unable to stand the sight of his marred visage — that is unable to look himself in the face — he goes berserk and blasts the mirror to bits, which is essentially what brings his scheming and presence to the FF’s attentions.

In the final sequence of the issue, he draws Reed into a duel of the mind sort of setup; Reed pours a toast. Doom quaffs his goblet of whatever and tosses it violently away, rather bitterly saying that he “aches to smash your face,” and be done with the whole damn battle forever. It should some off as a threat, but there’s a nuance in the art and — astonishingly — even in Stan Lee’s dialogue of the earlier self-disgust.

Look, Jack Kirby had a character archetype that he loved, one I tend to informally call the “Evil Man of Destiny.”* Darkseid is probably that archetype in its least-filtered form, but Doom is to my mind the best relatively humanized (albeit melodramatically humanized) variants of it. It’s the villain who possesses courage, wit, intelligence, and not merely power but actual and often hard-won or expertly-employed skill and talent, a villain who seems to have been gifted by fate itself and has both the ego and the perception to think in terms of destiny or, well, doom.

But Kirby’s”Evil Man of Destiny” is also not merely fatally flawed by way of towering hubris, but can glimpse that hubris. In Doom’s case, Kirby and Lee constructed a physical flaw that encapsulated that hubris, Doom’s self-inflicted scars, and they played up his inability to accept that flaw. (Lee and Kirby did not use the idea that Doom blamed Reed for the scars, but simply had him unable to bear the evidence of his own error; the notion that Doom blamed Reed was an invention of Marv Wolfman in FF #200, where Wolfman also played Doom as a borderline psychotic who quite literally ends up in a straitjacket. Wolfman also suggested in that story that Doom’s face wasn’t particularly scarred at all, something that contradicted earlier stories and was otherwise almost totally ignored.) Particularly in later Kirby statements about Doom as a character, it’s clear that the King, at least, intended Doom’s real flaw to be his very ability to see his vanity as empty or overweening vanity.

In the 1970s, as Mark Evanier reports, Kirby said that his idea was that Doom’s face was not scarred, nor that it was only mildly marred. Rather, Kirby claimed that his Doom would have the face of perfection, the face, one might say, of God Himself — the horror of that face would be that Doom recognized in it his own utter imperfection, that he could not look at himself because he saw an image before which his mind and soul were infinitesimal and shameful.

That is what makes Doom work, I think: he’s not the first flawed villain, or the first regal villain, or even the first villain who, as Peter David has described him, crosses various cultural and genre boundaries in his backstory. Rather, he’s the first villain who was portrayed as strangely self-aware, that is, a villain who portrayed with an awareness of the tragic arc of his own circumstances and origins.

* Another defining sequence for this archetype, whose name I have stolen from George Bernard Shaw’s half-ironically-titled play about Napoleon, is Kirby’s oft-denigrated setup story for his Hunger Dogs graphi novel in the New Gods reprint series of the late 1980s. Therein, we see a Darkseid who is succeeding in his goals, turning Apokolips into a totally mechanized and fascistic world where everything from feeding to resurrection is accomplished by push-button machinery in the bowels of his throne room. And as the story progresses, Darkseid is gradually but increasingly aware that he has essentially made himself obsolete, that his victory actually makes his existence as bleak and empty as that of his victims. At the trailer story’s conclusion, he leads his son and nemesis, Orion, into a deathtrap that seems to have certainly killed Orion. But Darkseid notes the absence of a body, and walks away wrapped up in paranoia, self-doubt, and a sort of self-loathing — Kirby’s narration openly states that even in the case of true and absolute victory, Darkseid’s evil will inevitably leave him in just this miserable state.

Omar wrote:
In the final sequence of the issue, he draws Reed into a duel of the mind sort of setup

That mind-duel is another excellent candidate for a cool moment. In any case, thanks for reminding me of it.

the part were doom says and no one will MOLEST you…eeeewwwww…i wounder if cage was thinking thats why doom didnt wana pay me my cash he spends all his money on molesting robots…

So bad it’s funny. I’m sure it’d be even funnier if I was stoned. I mean, it’s Doom getting his ass handed to him by Luke Cage, so you really have to take it with a grain of salt.

I’m surprised nobody retconned this appearance of Doom the way Byrne did that one time.

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