Does anyone remember when they redid this again, except Hogun the Grim was in Namor’s place?

I think they’ve re-done it a few times, just mixing the characters up each time (which is mainly why it’s so iconic – you can just mix and match who you want to feature).

A classic scene, yes. But it’s a tough call to make.

I’d go with panel #1, as DD still struggles to the very end. Namor is already thinking what he’s about to say just as Daredevil grabs his ankle. Those final words before he passes out are poignant because DD never realizes that he’s prevented Namor from hurting anybody. He even misses out on Namor’s compliment. This makes the ending all the more bittersweet.

It really IS a tough choice between the two.

The two panels as a whole are brilliant but splitting them up is a real pain (either one of them, standing alone, DO stand in for the scene well – it’s just a matter of which one stands in BEST).

Well, this is new, a Cool Comic Book moment — one from Marvel — that I’d never even heard of before. (I’m still bummed the “40 years of Daredevil” DVD-ROM was canceled before it was released.) A very impressive fight scene.

Neither panel. The iconic one is Daredevil grabbing Namor’s ankle wings.

Meh. I’m impressed that DD stood up to Namor like that, but this scene pales in comparison to Frank Miller’s Daredevil/Hulk fight.

I should clarify that the DD/Hulk fight is basically the same concept: DD seriously outmatched by a superior foe, and refusing to give up. I think the tension is much higher in that scene than here, because a) DD legitimately struggles with giving up, and 2) you really think that Hulk is going to kick DD’s ass.

Done how many years before Spidey tackled Juggernaut? Wow. Great sequence. Nice to see the old-old Daredevil too, a bit more happy-go-lucky and swashbuckling like his buddy Spidey. I mean, we got some great stories from Matt being put through the emotional and physical ringer, but damn, I think the last time I saw ‘this’ Daredevil was in Jeph Loeb’s “Daredevil: Yellow”, and its somewhat refreshing.

Totally, Marc, that’s why it’s so iconic – this was “Spidey vs. Juggernaut” before “Spidey vs. Juggernaut” was “Spidey vs. Juggernaut,” or, in the alternative, this was “Daredevil vs. Hulk” before “Daredevil vs. Hulk” was “Daredevil vs. Hulk.”

Wow. Tough call. Panel 1 shows Daredevil’s determination in the face of overwhelming odds, but panel 2 has Namor showing respect to his fallen foe.

I’m torn, but I went with panel 1.

I’d argue that the DD/Hulk fight is more important in the grand scheme of things – that was the fight where Ben Urich finally had confirmation of DD’s identity, after Heather Glenn (I think) yelled out Matt’s name. Having Urich in on his secret changed the whole dynamic of the book at that point, and probably started Matt on the path of revealing his identity to basically anyone he was friends with/wanted to sleep with.

I voted for panel 2.
While panel 1 does still show DD struggle to stop Namor, #2 includes Namor’s dialogue.
“But NONE have been more courageous than HE, the most vulnerable of all!”

Great stuff!

(and while we, the readers, tend to remember panels strictly for the art we shouldn’t discount panels that include memorable text)

@Matt Beahan:”I’d argue that the DD/Hulk fight is more important in the grand scheme of things”

While that may be true, in context of that current Daredevil storyline, I’d argue that this Wally Wood DD/Sub-Mariner story is more important because it told a story where the title’s hero is so outclassed, so beaten and ends up losing!

To write these kind of stories were unheard of in comics of the 60′s. It was just another clear indication of just how different early Marvel books were compared to the more established DC titles.
And don’t forget, Daredevil’s title was never a highly popular or large selling comic for nearly 20 years, until Miller got a hold of it. This particular issue really sticks out when most of DD’s books centered on characters like Stilt Man or The Matador.

Also I’m not exactly sure which DD/Hulk fight is being referred to- DD/Sub-Mariner I’ve not only heard of, but its probably one of Marvel’s most iconic covers- the colors, the out-of-place feel of Daredevil fighting completely out of his element… Yeah, this is a great comic book moment.

“Bullseye!”

Silly Matt – that’s not Bullseye, it’s Namor.

I voted 2. In retrospect a marvelous issue…repeated so many times in different other issues.

I think it’s a shame to separate the two panels; comics ARE a sequential artform, after all, and those two panels together sum up the story. Neither of them are as strong separately.

So I’ll abstain from voting, because I don’t think these two panels should be separated PERIOD. The two panels in sequence ARE the scene.

Those damnable ankle wings!

I love that covering the ankle wings was effective. You have got to love comic book physics sometimes.

Regarding panel, HammerHeart is probably right. Those panels are tough to divide while retaining the meaning.

It is amazing how Wally Wood repeats the same three panel sequence on the bottom of pages 18 and 19. On 18, “the camera” starts at street level and slowly dollies up as DD finds and swings his make shift lasso. Then, the iconic sequence on 19 with the camera staying at the same level as Namor walks away.

can see once again a touch choice both cool pannels but have to go with number two for it shows Mamor starting to figure out daredevil is not as weak as he thought

I voted for #2, mostly because Subby is turned towards the reader. It says something for the importance of this issue for Marvel to include it in the soon-arriving Essential Sub-Mariner book. They could have just started it with a bunch of his FF appearances, but DD #7 should lead nicely into the start of his Tales to Astonish run.

Is there also an iconic panel in this issue of the first appearance of the new Daredevil uniform?

This was a great debut of the new uniform. (I don’t believe any reference was made to the all-red duds in the issue itself, although I could be mistaken).

I voted number 2, deciding that Namor’s respect trumped Daredevil’s determination (which can be partly inferred by Namor’s dialogue anyway).

This is the first comic I’ve ever read where the flying felt real.

To me, the moment is when Daredevil says: “I must not fall blindly into his grasp”. Gotta love Stan´s dialogues…

Me too, Major Retcon.

Another Stan-ism for me was, “If that had connected, goodbye, D.D.” The hero referring to himself as his own abbreviation.

This might be the moment of the year for me, but if I see another tomorrow, who knows?

I voted number 1 though because Daredevil’s refusal to give up is such a big part of why I like him.

CLASSIC SCENE, BRIAN!

I LOVE this story! The art and writing really come together to tell an amazing, totally unexpected tale. Wally Wood was simply an unbelievable artist. Thanks for inlcuding it, Brian!

My last post got eaten by my computer, but i was commenting on how incredible the art by Wally Wood is. i have his JSA stuff, but its not this good! The first panel alone is awesome, especially the musculature of DD. This needs to be studied by anyone wanting to do comic art.
Also, if Namor can see clearly at the bottom of the ocean, why would a smoke screen be effective? Just cause it’s pink? ;-]
DFTBA

Brian wrote: – “Totally, Marc, that’s why it’s so iconic – this was “Spidey vs. Juggernaut” before “Spidey vs. Juggernaut” was “Spidey vs. Juggernaut,” or, in the alternative, this was “Daredevil vs. Hulk” before “Daredevil vs. Hulk” was “Daredevil vs. Hulk.”

This is undoubtedly a great moment, but it wasn’t especially original. Stan Lee loved sticking his heroes in situations where they were outclassed. And he often had his heroes meet up with another hero’s enemy.

I’m pretty sure that Spiderman v Dr Doom, Thor v Magneto and Dr Strange v Loki all predate this issue. In each case, the hero took a hell of a beating before they are rescued by the Fantastic Four, the X-Men and Thor respectively.

Between those Bernard and Daredevil vs. Subby, which pairing would you say is the most disproportionate in terms of power? The DD/Subby scenario is definitely a guy scraping by to do anything to stop his adversary. To my recollection, the other protagonists fared far better in their fights. It might be a trick Stan/Marvel likes to use (good God they’ve retold the Spidey/Juggernaut tale how many times now?), but its rarely so effective as it is here, and of course in the Spidey/Cain match up, which is why those two are pretty iconic while I can barely remember Thor v Magneto and Strange v Loki. Doom vs. Spidey I do know quite well, but is it anywhere as ‘iconic’? It was certainly a good story and Spidey did well against Doom, but it didn’t have the taut desperation I felt from DD here.

I don’t think either panel is top-70 material, so I abstain.

This sequence is REMARKABLY like the Batman/Superman fight in the Dark Knight Returns.

I find it amazing just how much more dialogue and exposition was used in the older comics. The days of sitting down and “reading” an issue seem to be so long ago. It seems that reading comics today is more like scanning over them. There is almost as much reading in these 6 pages as in just about any mainstream comic nowadays. Just something that jumped out to me.

I voted #1. DD grabbing in desperation Sub-Mariner’s ankle is, ironically, a triumphant moment for the character. I love Wally Wood’s art as well. He is certainly one of my top 5 comic book artists. Though, I must say, that at a point (1965) when the Kirby revolution had still to reach its full flowering, but was already on its way to revealing much of the great dynamic potential inherent in superhero artistry at its best, Wood’s panels, well crafted though they are, still belong to that pre-Kirby aesthetic that still held sway over the genre. Lovely, but restrained, The “Wood-work” is fantastic, but still is in want of that awesomely unleashed Kirby kineticism that would come to thoroughly dominate Marvel comics (and beyond) in the months and years to come.