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Comic Book Legends Revealed #227

Welcome to the two-hundred and twenty-seventh in a series of examinations of comic book legends and whether they are true or false. Click here for an archive of the previous two hundred and twenty-six.

Comic Book Legends Revealed is now part of the larger Legends Revealed series, where I look into legends about the worlds of entertainment and sports, which you can check out here, at legendsrevealed.com. I’d especially recommend you check out this Magazine Legends Revealed, which takes a look at the claim that Time Magazine was intentionally designing their covers to make it look like subjects on the cover had devil’s horns.

This is a theme week! All the legends today involve, in one way or another, legendary comic book artist Carmine Infantino!!

Let’s begin!

COMIC LEGEND: Carmine Infantino tried to fire Nick Cardy because Cardy ignored a cover instruction from Infantino.

STATUS: I’m Going With False

Besides being an excellent artist period, Nick Cardy was a particularly prominent cover artist for DC Comics in the late 1960s and early 1970s (after working for the company on various comics since the 1950s).

Here is a quick sampling of some of his work…

As good as Cardy was, he was not without his detractors among DC’s editorial staff (heck, Neal Adams, one of the most quintessential cover artists of all time was not without his detractors among DC’s editorial staff).

Perhaps riffing on that fact, in John Coates’ 2001 book The Art of Nick Cardy, longtime DC editor Julius Schwartz had this to say:

At the time Carmine used to lay out many of the covers for the artists. Well, one day Nick comes into the office to turn in a cover. Carmine looks at it and says, “This is not what I gave you.” Nick says, “Yeah, I know – but it’s better.” Carmine says, “You’re fired!” Nick calmly replies, “Okay” and walks out. I then go into Carmine’s office and the cover really is beautiful. I say, “Carmine, this is great!” He says, “Yeah, I know. Go get Nick!”

It IS true that Infantino would lay out a lot of the covers for DC. It is also true that Infantino has been been extremely vocal over the years in how much he loves Nick Cardy’s work.

So what of the gist of the anecdote?

When the book came out, Cardy was surprised to hear the story from Schwartz, as he did not recall the event and he thought it didn’t sound like Infantino. So at a comic book convention a couple of years later, he went up to Infantino and asked him about it. Infantino denied it ever happen. So both men went to Schwartz, who replied simply “Well, it’s a good story, anyway.”

Cardy and Infantino took this as an admission that he had made it up, and I think that’s fair enough, which is why I’m going with a false here (especially since Schwartz passed away soon afterward, so it’s not like we can check with him to clarify).

Thanks to The Art of Nick Cardy for the original quote and thanks to the great magazine Back Issue for the story of Cardy and Infantino confronting Schwartz about the incident.

COMIC LEGEND: The cover for the first Superman/Flash race has an error on it.

STATUS: True

Carmine Infantino and Murphy Anderson’s cover for Superman #199 is one of the most famous covers in comic book history.

Here are a couple of homages to this classic cover…

As famous as the cover is, one thing that has always been a bit of a mystery over the years is why, exactly, Batman, who was good pals with Superman at the time, was cheering on the Flash to “show up” Superman.

Well, as it turned out, that was because there was a mistake with the word balloon placement!

A couple of issues later, in response to a letter bringing up that very point asking “How to you explain this?”, Superman editor Mort Weisinger (well, almost certainly his assistant editor E. Nelson Bridwell) admitted:

With a very red face. The balloon was meant for Green Lantern, who is standing beside Batman, but the tail got pointed to the wrong hero!

Mystery solved (granted, the mystery was technically solved a couple of months after it came up, but, well, it still counts if most everyone forgets about it over the forty-two years since that issue came out)!!

Thanks to Rob Schmidt for being one of those who DIDN’t forget, as he recalled the editors admitting their mistake.

COMIC LEGEND: Mike Ploog had a rather embarrassing introduction to Carmine Infantino.

STATUS: I’m Going With True

Mike Ploog had an interesting path to the world of comic books.

Born in 1942 in Minnesota, Ploog grew up on a farm in Minnesota before moving to Burbank. He enlisted in the U.S. Marine Corps at the age of 17 and stayed there for 10 years. After leaving the Marine Corps in the late 1960s, he got work at Filmation and then Hanna-Barbera before becoming Will Eisner’s assistant at P*S Magazine.

After working with Eisner for a couple of years, other Eisner associates recommended he try his luck drawing comic books.

Ploog was not a follower of comics, as he got into drawing only while in the Marine Corps. He got a few gigs at Warren Publishing, and soon he parlayed his work at Warren into work for Marvel Comics, where Marvel embraced him fully, giving him a number of projects to work on right away, including launching a number of characters like Werewolf By Night, Frankenstein and, most famously, Ghost Rider.

After working for Marvel for a number of years, Ploog left comics all together for decades to work in the film industry.

He returned in 2004 to do a few really good series with J.M. DeMatteis…

Most recently, he has been doing some fine work writing and drawing the Spirit for DC Comics…

To sort of bring things back full circle, here’s a recent issue of the Spirit written and drawn by Ploog (with inks by Dan Green)…with a Nick Cardy cover!

Ploog’s working at DC Comics now, but he never did in the 1970s, and Ploog has a great story (courtesy of a great interview by Jon B. Cooke from the awesome comic book history magazine Comic Book Artist) that may or may not explain why (it most likely does not explain why, but it’s still a darn funny story):

Cooke: Once you got into comics, did you become a fan of others’ art yourself? Did you hang out with the guys?

Ploog: I did in a sense. I respected their talents but I knew nothing about comics. I remember sitting in a cafe called Friar Tuck’s, across from DC Comics, with a group of artists. Sitting next to me was a total stranger. He had been introduced to me as a big wig at DC Comics. His name was Carmine Infantino. Everybody was chatting and drawing on the table cloth. Suddenly this executive next to me picks up a ball point pen and begins to draw on the table cloth. I was impressed; imagine an executive that can draw! I attempted to pay him a compliment, and said, “I’ll be a son of a gun! You can draw too!” [laughter] He glared at me, and you could have fried eggs on his cheeks. I don’t think he said a word, just glared at me as if to say, “What do you mean, I can draw??” I looked around the table at a lot of blank, wide-eyed faces. And, with a further display of ignorance, I added, “Yeah, now if worst comes to worst, you could do that for a living.” My memory is a bit vague about what happened next but I never worked for DC Comics.

Because of his history, I can believe Ploog honestly did not know who Infantino was, which is why I’m going with a true here.

Pretty funny stuff.

Thanks to Ploog and Cooke for the great story!

Okay, that’s it for this week!

Thanks to the Grand Comic Book Database for this week’s covers! And thanks to Brandon Hanvey for the Comic Book Legends Revealed logo!

Feel free (heck, I implore you!) to write in with your suggestions for future installments! My e-mail address is cronb01@aol.com.

As you likely know by now, at the end of April, my book finally came out!

Here is the cover by artist Mickey Duzyj. I think he did a very nice job (click to enlarge)…

If you’d like to order it, you can use the following code if you’d like to send me a bit of a referral fee…

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See you next week!

71 Comments

The antecdotal stories are my favorite thing about this series.

The best comment I’ve seen about those Superman-Flash races was in a recent Flash comic(?). Superman argues something like, “I kept up with you in all those races.” The Flash just replies, “Those were for charity, Clark.”

It would have been *really* funny if Ploog had followed that up with “But you drew too many speed lines… it’s impossible to see what’s going on… here, let me clean that up for you!”

That Alex Ross Supes/Flash cover isn’t really an homage to Superman #199 at all.

Whatever you say, Aaron

I’m still curious about the Superman #199 word balloon issue. Based on the composition of the page, I just don’t see how you could have Green Lantern saying anything without covering up some of the art. The word balloon would have to have a ridiculously long “tail” to be coming from Green Lantern. I can see several ways this balloon could have been a mistake — maybe they swapped balloons and it’s Hawkman who was supposed to be cheering for Flash — but the official explanation you’ve uncovered here just doesn’t seem right to me.

Not that I am disputing your facts, of course; as usual, it’s a fine job. I just suspect that DC themselves are BSing something. My gut tells me that the cover appears just as they intended and they made up this Green Lantern thing to cover themselves once people starting writing in to complain. Just a hunch.

Is legendsrevealed.com dead? The sports section hasn’t been updated since August, and the entertainment section hasn’t been updated since early September… even *your* last few posts don’t appear there!

Batman’s cheer on that cover remnds me of Butter’s encouragement to Wendy when she had the schoolyard fight with Eric Cartmen – what Butter’s actually said is not safe for work or play!

I remember being a kid and reading Adventures of Superman 463.

I was blown away, especially because Flash beat Superman, which was unthinkable for me at the time.

Of course, when I found out that wasn’t their first race and that there have been many more throughout the years, the story lost a little bit of its charm.

By the way, can anybody tell me who won the other races?

Ploog is amazing… there i said it!

I’m with Ron Moses…. What’s going on with legendsrevealed.com?

The Superman/Flash races were some of the biggest cop-outs in comics history.

The first race, from Superman #199, ended in a tie.

The second race, from Flash #175, didn’t tell us who won-the heroes basically said “Judge for yourself”.

The third race, from World’s Finest #198-199, took place on another planet. Flash won, but Superman said “On this planet, anyways” when Flash said he was the fastest man alive.

I was amused by the episode of Superman: The Animated Series that featured the debut of the DCAU Flash. There was a race, but in true comic tradition, we never found out who won.

But…What is the secret of the Phantom Quarterback?

Wow, that first Cardy Bat Lash cover is awesome. Well, they’re all awesome, but that one is the awesome-est.

I could look at Nick Cardy covers all day, especially Teen Titans.

The original art to the cover of Superman #199 is around; here’s the link to a small copy of it: http://www.askart.com/askart/i/carmine_infantino/carmine_infantino.aspx ; I’ve also got a large copy which is from the Heritage Auctions site (you have to create a free account to see it there, though). (Brian, if you want a copy, let me know.)

On that image, Hawkman’s word balloon has fallen off; there is art behind it. No sign of last-minute changes with Batman’s word balloon. There are go-go checks on the top of it that weren’t on the final copy.

Nick Cardy does beautiful cover work when the circumstances are right. He did a lot of wonder work as shown, but his style was not a good fit for the 100 Page Super Spectacular cover format. The multi-panel layout did let the quality of his art shine. One of my all time favorite Nick Cardy covers is Aquaman #37 When the Seas Die. Not only are the character figures great, but the background detail is excellent. The full cover format really gives him room to display his talents. And Cardy drew some of the most sensual women’s faces. The man is a true artist.

Nick Cardy’s Bat Lash covers have always been among my favourites. They’re timeless.

If the fact that Ploog complimented Infantino on his art, not knowing who he was, is the real reason Ploog never worked for DC in the 70s, then that’s a pretty petty reason.

“”You’re a great artist.”
“F*** you! Never darken my door again!”
lol

I agree with Scott Harris’ assessment of the Superman 199 cover. I think they just needed someone saying the line and Batman was the most prominent background figure, so it was attributed to him. There’s no real reason to take their relationship into account. DC is just feeding the nerds what they want to hear.

“I remember being a kid and reading Adventures of Superman 463.

I was blown away, especially because Flash beat Superman, which was unthinkable for me at the time.

Of course, when I found out that wasn’t their first race and that there have been many more throughout the years, the story lost a little bit of its charm.”

I’m fairly certain that was the first race between Superman and Wally.

I loved at the beginning when neither of them wanted to race and Superman said, meaning no insult, “What we really have here is a race between Superman and KID Flash,” and Wally did take it as an insult and did race to win.

Theno

“Yeah, now if worst comes to worst, you could do that for a living.”

And the funny (or tragic) thing is, that’s exactly what happened – after Infantino was ousted as Editor in Chief at DC, he ended up freelancing again, mostly for Marvel.

Too bad Ploog’s recent horror art in the Thicker Than Blood comic (http://www.fcp.cc/) wasn’t mentioned.

Look out, that snake has a gun! And I think its been drinking!

If I was Superman, I’d just let the Flash win.

My favorite Cardy cover. That thing just screams at you, doesn’t it?

@ Thenodrin:

well, in the story it certainly seems to be their first race and I thought it was but with the covers that Brian posted I think that Superman 199 was their first race.

Yeah, I remember that part too, and also right at the finish line when Wally wins he just throws his arms in the air and screams: “I won!I beat Superman!”

I just loved that. Such a great character moment.

Wait, now that I think about it, Superman 199 was almost certainly Pre-Crisis, so the Flash was Barry Allen.

That would make the race in Adventures of Superman 463 the first Wally race.

Wow, I’ve never cared about Aquaman, but those Cardy covers sure are beautiful.

I’m curious about the Legends Revealed website as well. Is it on an unscheduled hiatus, or is it simply kaput?

“If I was Superman, I’d just let the Flash win.”

If when you say Flash you mean Wally, and assuming both are actually trying to win, there’d be no “letting” Flash win. The Flash would win, period. Superman’s fast, but nowhere near as fast as Wally.

Superman might stand a chance against Jay, and he did stand a chance against Barry.

If Bart were still alive, he’d beat Superman, and probably even Wally.

To bring things completely around, Nick Cardy, under his real name Nicholas Viscardi, got his start with Eisner in the late ’30s-early ’40s.

I doubt Carmine would’ve fired Nick in any case, since Nick, though he did tons of work for DC, was freelance, and you don’t fire freelancers. You just don’t give them any more work.

Not sure I buy Mike’s version of why he never got work at DC, but if true it’s a good lesson: don’t make off-handed comments about people until you’re certain of who they are. Not that I think Mike made up the story, but in order for Mike to be stricken from the books for that reason, Carmine would have to remember who HE was, and that sounds vaguely unlikely. More likely, Mike’s style was about as far removed from what DC would’ve considered “good comics art” in those days as I can imagine of anything that is good comics art. Frankly, it’s a miracle Marvel gave him work, since he was pretty far removed from their house style as well. At Marvel he just happened to be in the right place at the right time, giving their monster hero titles a definitive, separate look, and had he been trying to get in during a period when superhero title were in high swing, most likely he’d have had a rougher time of it there as well.

I definitely agree about Ploog and the Marvel monster books: right place, right time. I was much younger when they started and at first found his style more cartoonish than I was used to, but later picked up a large run of Werewolf by Night in a nickel bin and was impressed. But it didn’t suddenly get good, of course, it was just my tastes that had gotten better.

Never got over the end of the first Superman-Flash race where they deliberately cheated and fixed the race. I don’t have it in front of me, but Superman thinks something like this when they announce it’s a tie: “As we intended! So no gamblers could win their bets!”

There are some images in it that stick in my mind, though. The Flash effortlessly vibrating through icebergs and sand dunes while Superman has to smash his way through, pointing out a major difference in their powers. And a lone aborigine in a moonlit desert thinking an exclamation point when the two whiz by him.

On Nick Cardy, my favorite covers are probably two early Teen Titan covers, #16, The Dimensional Caper and #14, Requiem for a Titan (which I long considered the best Titan story ever done).

Obviously the editors of the first Titans Showcase collection agreed with me about this one:

Oh, man…that Ploog/Infantino story…I fell off the chair, I laughed so hard…

The Secret of the Phantom Quarterback… Pretty clever story for the era. As I recall, the absent-minded professor who invented kooky things had invented some gadget that materialized signals. But he couldn’t remember where he left it! While his wife puttered and had the TV on. Turns out he’d set it on the TV set, and it materialized a football player who charged down the street. Then she switched to a Western(?), and a phantom horseman charged down the street, and so on. Superman finally followed the signal back and gently pointed out to the wife the gadget was not, as she thought, a fancy new set of rabbit ears. Good clean fun, and not one gloomy rain-day funeral of a dead comrade.

COMIC LEGEND: The cover for the first Superman/Flash race has an error on it.

STATUS: Cobblers

I don’t see it as an error – in those days, Batman and Superman were forever fighting against each other in ‘World’s Finest’, what with aliens, red Kryptonite, super-hypnotism, magic, bangs on the head, simple rivalry, trickery, doppel-gangers and so on. I’d have been cheering Flash too after all that bother.

You know, Brian, sometimes I think you use way too many images to make your points- but this time, I’m not complaining because those Cardi and Ploog covers are GREAT! Not just wonderfully drawn, but really eye-catching- the kind of cover that really made you want to read the story inside. They don’t really make them like that any more.

Speaking of Infantino, I liked his art but for different reasons- it wasn’t realistic at all, but that was OK, because most of the stuff he drew -like all those stories where Flash suffers odd transformations- WERE meant to be weird-looking. I also loved the visual tricks he would pull, like the word boxes with hands rather than arrows pointing to the characters. Freaky!

Just curious- why display covers that are homages to the cover in question, instead of the actual cover in question?

Never mind – it just hadn’t loaded when I was reading through.

I thought it was weird that Batman was asking to the Flash to beat Superman.

Also, Nick Cardy is an awesome cover artist!

@The Dude:

All of the Superman/Barry Allen races were retconned out of existance, making Adventures Of Superman #463 the “first” time Superman raced any Flash…as evidenced when he told Wally that he is not as fast as Barry and that Supes always assumed he could beat Barry.

I suppose now that Barry is back they’ll have a (another) race.

ElectricPeterTork

October 2, 2009 at 6:16 pm

“And the funny (or tragic) thing is, that’s exactly what happened – after Infantino was ousted as Editor in Chief at DC, he ended up freelancing again, mostly for Marvel.”

Oh, if only it were mostly for Marvel.

Infantino did a long, ugly stretch on The Flash in the 80s, going up through the final issue of Barry’s series. Everything and everyone was… lumpy.

A mostly off-topic comment: not to knock Infantino or anything, but when I was a kid he ruined Nova for me when he replaced Sal Buscema as the artist.

If you click through to the pencil version of the Superman #199 cover linked to above, you can notice another thing that relates to this legend (besides the missing Hawkman balloon, which was pointed out). It’s clearer in this than the printed cover that the controversial balloon on the left side is actually pointing to the side and away from the back of Batman’s head!

When I read it as a kid, I was definitely disappointed that the race was fixed; they cheated and colluded to make the result a tie so the gamblers would lose their bets! (Can’t you place a bet that something would end in a tie?)

Nick Cardy: two favorite Titan covers, #14 and 16. I also thought #14 was one of the best Titan stories ever. Obviously the compilers of the first Teen Titans Showcase volume agreed with me about issue 16, since they adapted it into the cover of that book:

“The Dimensional Caper”
http://images.comics.org/img/gcd/covers/1733/400/1733_4_16.jpg
(Note the author of the book at the bottom of it.)

“Requiem for a Titan”
http://images.comics.org/img/gcd/covers/1733/400/1733_4_14.jpg

Nick Cardy can do it all. That Bat Lash # 2 cover is a true classic. He draws some of the sexiest women ever. I never realized that Nick had drawn Donna Troy’s modern hairstyle before Perez did until I saw the cover to Teen Titans # 26. What a beauty!

Omar Karindu, with the power of SUPER-hypocrisy!

October 2, 2009 at 6:30 pm

Onbe thing I will say for Infantino at Marvel — his costume designs are really quite memorably quirky. Even in his weaker periods as a penciller on stuff like Nova or Spider-Woman you’d get interesting-looking costume designs like Blackout (which was somewhat Flash-Inspired) or deliberately weird characters like the Needle in Spider-Woman.

Of course, on his second Flash run, he gave us the looks for Colonel Computron, Captain Invincible, and Big Sir…who were already lame writing concepts, and looked it.

I think there’s more to the Superman cover too. I imagine the process went something like this:

1) Infantino and Anderson draw the cover without regard for the balloon placement. Perhaps there’s no text yet, just a concept to execute.

2) Writer or editor tells letterer to add the Superman and Flash cheers. Letterer correctly sees that the smaller balloon should go on the left. Adds the balloons without regard for whom they’re pointing to–points them to the biggest figures on the left and right. (Doesn’t matter who’s cheering for whom, right? They’re just a bunch of kiddie characters.)

3) Editor may or may not notice Batman is cheering for Flash. If he notices, he thinks, “Too late now. Besides, who cares? No one will notice.” Doesn’t realize geeks will be studying comics like scripture decades later.

4) Editor grossly oversimplifies situation by explaining, “We goofed!”

P.S. I think you’ve done the groundwork for the five most iconic Nick Cardy covers.

Maybe Geoff Johns could do an untold story to retcon the cover balloons into plausibility. You know…Batman is investigating the Joker’s involvement in a nuclear threat. Lets the Joker mutilate someone for the greater good of preventing a holocaust. Superman arrives and chastises Batman for his callous disregard for human life. Batman responds that Superman is a big blue Boy Scout who doesn’t understand how the world works. The two make frowny faces at each other and Batman roots for Flash a week later.

With a little effort Johns could stretch this to four-issue mini-series. Make it a prestige series at $4.99 a shot. Have the Justice Leaguers take sides in the Superman-Batman cold war. Superman, Wonder Woman, Hawkman, and Green Arrow vs. Flash, Green Lantern, Batman, and Atom. Have it cross over to other titles in a big summer extravaganza. Call it INTERMEDIATE CRISIS to attract casual fans.

C’mon…you know you’d buy this. Don’t even try to deny it.

Oh dear lord, Rob, the fool probably would. Heck, the race itself could be a one-shot entitled “The Race to Intermediate Crisis!”

Love the Cardy art. And I’ve never heard of Ploog before, thanks for introducing me to someone I def need to check out, Brian.

Really, there’s a whole untapped realm of stories for DC’s marketing genius to exploit here. A series of series on the untold crisis of the DC universe. BEGINNING INTERMEDIATE CRISIS. INTERMEDIATE INTERMEDIATE CRISIS. Finally, FINAL INTERMEDIATE CRISIS. All based on the previous unknown Superman-Batman cold war based on that one cover balloon.

While our heroes pretend to be backslapping friends who never speak a cross word to each other, they’re really backstabbing frenemies. It’s a shocking “secret war” beneath the buddy-buddy exterior. Sleeping with each other’s girlfriends! Wiping each other’s memories! Executing bad guys like Maxwell Lord (but only when it’s absolutely necessary)!

Find out what happens when Clark and Diana have a torrid affair. When Hal and Barry have a closer-than-brothers “moment.” When Wally and Roy share a bed with Donna. When Ollie bets his fortune on the ponies, Ralph gets addicted to gingold, and Jean Loring goes insane.

INTERMEDIATE CRISIS the first, second, and third! Brought to you by Geoff Johns, the acknowledged master of DC continuity! Coming to you in the summers of 2010, 2011, and 2012!

The DC universe will never be the same.

I don’t get it — I wrote a note, clicked PUBLISH and it never showed up. So I waited a while, and when it never posted after a couple of hours, rewrote it. Now the original is there too, and with the original time stamp. Sorry for the duplication, folks (and I may have done that in another topic also).

It was held for moderation, Mike, and I then approved it when I saw it later in the day.

Mark-Wayne Harris

October 2, 2009 at 11:27 pm

OK–I have to ask because it’s eating me alive and no one else has brought it up. Whut da heck is that ‘ha!’ near the Spirit’s foot on the cover of issue #32? Someone tell me. Seriously.

Unless the story established why Batman supported Flash instead of Superman, that cover doesn’t quite make sense. Are they friends or are they enemies? Questions like these are why many people don’t take comics seriously. These support-or-don’t-support situations are almost always phony and unbelievable.

This isn’t just a plot problem, but a characterisation problem to? It goes to what kind of person Batman is. Would he support Superman or Flash? Would have he supported Denmark or Germany in the Schleswig-Holstein Question? Does he wear boxers or briefs? If we can’t answer questions like this, we can really call the character fully-realised? When these superheroes are one- or two-dimensional fighting machines, their stories seem superficial and juvenile. I don’t want to dumb myself down to the level of children to appreciate comics.

And THAT’S how you do satire.

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That’s how cover artist Gene Ha signs his work.

I really wanted to say that the alligator was supposed to be laughing at the Spirit, but…

Mark-Wayne Harris

October 3, 2009 at 1:26 am

Ahhhhh, yes. I’m not familiar with the issue, so I didn’t realize Mike Ploog didn’t do the cover. I see Gene Ha’s style in the Spirit’s face, but I thought the old bald guy looked Ploog-ishy if he had been inked by the great Dan Green. (on a side note: there’s a little bit of ego going on with the size and placement of that signature, Gene)

That Aquaman no. 50 cover is brilliant

Why was who Batman cheered for even an issue? He and Flash were friends, too. Good enough friends that when Flash came back at the end of “JLA: The Lightning Saga” Batman was disappointed that it was Wally and not Barry.

Sure, Bats and Supes were BFF at the time, but when your your BFF excels at EVERYTHING, well, sometimes you just want to see him take a fall and remember that he’s not Superm… well, nevermind.

Here’s an Urban Legend for you: a young Frank Miller saw Batman rooting against Superman on the cover to Superman 199, and started giggling maniacally while designing bat-armor.

INTERMEDIATE CRISIS will spawn an ongoing series. Every iss will be about super-heroes arguing while the universe is threatened by obscure Green Lantern villains. It will be called INTERMINABLE CRISIS.

Man, that Alex Ross recreation really sucks all the fun out of the Superman/Flash race.

BTW, Brian, I just checked the book out of the library and I’m thoroughly enjoying it.

“Find out what happens when Clark and Diana have a torrid affair. When Hal and Barry have a closer-than-brothers “moment.” When Wally and Roy share a bed with Donna. When Ollie bets his fortune on the ponies, Ralph gets addicted to gingold, and Jean Loring goes insane.”

Hal and Barry is a given, yeah, but we all know Roy only has eyes for Dick. No, the double entendre isn’t intentional. Yes, it’s still accurate.

“Man, that Alex Ross recreation really sucks all the fun out of the Superman/Flash race.”

Yes! After all the homages by more fashionable artists, the Infantino/Anderson version still rules.

Nobody’s mentioned the *other* error on the cover of Superman #199: Aquaman’s costume is miscolored. His shirt is bright yellow instead of orange.

As for the word balloon in question, the directionality of its tail makes it clear it’s not Batman speaking but the guy with the starter gun’s penis. Obviouslyly Weisinger couldn’t admit to it without bringing the CCA down on his head, hence the “we goofed” dodge.

Let’s see Johns get some mileage out of THAT

“With a little effort Johns could stretch this to four-issue mini-series. Make it a prestige series at $4.99 a shot. Have the Justice Leaguers take sides in the Superman-Batman cold war. Superman, Wonder Woman, Hawkman, and Green Arrow vs. Flash, Green Lantern, Batman, and Atom. Have it cross over to other titles in a big summer extravaganza. Call it INTERMEDIATE CRISIS to attract casual fans.”

Rob, first Johns would have to do a year-long “Countdown To Intermediate Crisis” to explain why in the world Green Arrow would be on the same side as Hawkman and Superman against Green Lantern and Batman.

Omar Karindu, with the power of SUPER-hypocrisy!

October 4, 2009 at 2:08 pm

Cei-U! suggests to me the premise of replacing “Crisis” with “Penis” in all relevant stories. “Penis on Earth-1″ “Penis on Infinite Earths!” “Countdown to Final Penis!!”

Someone should contact Avatar Press and Mark Millar’s agent immediately.

Mike Ploog told me that story himself a couple of years ago, after a meeting of a Cardiff, Wales (as Tom Jones said in Mars Attacks) based animation society organized by Andrew from Calon Animation here.
Mike said he had never been so embarassed in his life!
Great guy, a thrill to meeet him – did you know he now lives in the UK?

“If Bart were still alive, he’d beat Superman, and probably even Wally.”

Uhmmmm, i thought Bart was alive again..Not sure about it, though, since i don’t read that much DC.

Brian Is legendsrevealed.com dead? It used to have daily updates but now the lase entry is from the beginning of september, have you given up on it?

…Possibly the thing I love the most about all the stories about Carmine’s regime at DC that have surfaced over the past few years is that they all prove that for all the derision people dump on Jim Shooter during his tenure at Marvel, Carmine was an even bigger schmuck during the time he was pushing people around at DC. While I honestly don’t wish the guy any real harm – hell, I still enjoy reading his Flash classics, and still wish he’d do either a Mr. Fantastic or Quicksilver mini for Marvel! – I honestly can’t wait until he’s finally taken the dirt nap to see *more* of all the Infantino dirty laundry revealed. Especially all the dirt on the cancelling of the “Fourth World” saga despite the fact that it saved Jimmy Olsen from cancellation, and three of the four books were in DC’s top 20 in sales throughout Kirby’s run on those books. I understand there’s also some juicy tidbits about the “Kryptonite Nevermore!” era when Denny O’Neill revamped Superman for the 70′s. Either way, from what I gather most of those present at DC when Carmine was (mis)adminstering things are holding back on the revelations until he’s passed on. Whether it’s out of respect or fear, YMMV.

Hey, Brian, thanks for mentioning DeMatteis and Ploog’s Abadazad and Stardust Kid—those two books are both great but don’t get NEARLY enough attention. The really sad part is what bad luck Abadazad has—from what I hear, DeMatteis and Ploog had five issues done (and were getting lots of critical acclaim) but only got three out before CrossGen died, and then after Disney purchased CrossGen’s properties and DeMatteis and Ploog started their series of prose/comics hybrid books through Hyperion/Disney, they had five books pretty much finished but were only able to publish three (and the third only in the UK!) before Disney pulled the plug. And plans for the book to return in comics format haven’t come to fruition.

I’m hoping that the current deal with Marvel and Disney will lead to great CrossGen projects like Abadazad, Negation, Route 666, El Cazador, etc., eventually seeing the light of day again (and hopefully continuing!). But I guess I shouldn’t hold my breath . . .

@Reaper: How has Ploog’s stuff in Thicker Than Blood been? I saw that in Preview and meant to check it out, but I never have.

Bartholomew Lash. It’s a cowboy.

OM, man, you always bring the most hateful, misanthropic comments.

As for Infantino’s late-era art, I can understand it’s an acquired taste (read; love it or hate it), but I happen to love it. I was reading the Showcase Presents collection of The Trial of the Flash a couple weeks ago and the art was just beautiful, even better in original black-and-white (though it can get confusing when Barry is fighting Reverse Flash).

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