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You Decide ’09 – Who Do You Prefer Cyclops With?

You know the bit – each day in October I’ll give you folks a poll question. Each poll will last four days. The results will be posted every Tuesday leading up to (and ending with) Election Day on the first Tuesday in November. Here is the master list of all questions asked so far!

Enjoy!

120 Comments

I guess I never picked up any of the issues that showed why Scott and Jean’s relationship was a big deal, but I never did see the appeal to it. I love them both separately, but together I just don’t care.
Emma Frost by default.

Reluctantly voted for Jean.

Mostly, I’m fine with either relationship at this point, but I’m terribly tired of the endless ‘bedroom chat’ scenes between Scott and Emma which exist solely to show off Emma’s nighttime lingerie.

Why isn’t Wolverine a choice?

Emma, Jean is boring as shit, while Emma is cool.

It’s Jean, even though he doesn’t deserve her. Scott’s the biggest whiner in all of comics.

Jean. But she should have stayed dead. Scott is a jerk, he doesn’t deserve anybody.

Did Phoenix’s mother never teach her how to sit like a lady?

emma.
it’s not that jean’s boring. she just doesn’t exist as a character. emma and scott’s relationship is definable. i understand her attraction to his stability, and i understand his attraction to her honesty. with jean, it was just nerdlove. it was the first romance of scott’s life, and with most first loves, it was highly emotional with no logical interest attached. i’d imagine if scott was asked what he loved about jean, he’d say, “i don’t know, i just do” like so many frustratingly lonely teenagers, projecting their hopes onto their partners.

Too bad there isn’t an option for “His massive insecurities and commitment issues”.

Jean. I love certain points of each relationship and over the years became fond of Scott/Emma (despite the mistreatment of some writers, especially Matt Fraction), but overall I prefer Scott/Jean.

Pmaestro said it well. This is the easiest poll question you’ve had yet.

Actually, in addition to what Pmaestro said, I do think Jean is deadly dull. Also: a ginger, gross.

The Death of Phoenix gave Cyclops the first bit of personality in his existence. To me, he was just as defined by his marriage to Maddie Pryor as he is by his relationship to Emma but his mourning of Jean is what distinguised his brooding personality even more.

Emma gets my vote, I think we’ve seen enough of the Scott/Jean relationship and I have never been that enamoured of jean as a character

Emma, because Jean’s dead, and Scott trying to get with her would be gross.

I just picked Emma.

Matt from 5 years ago is creating a time travel machine to jump into the future and hunt me down.

Emma.

Huge Emma fan. Can’t wait for the upcoming Uncanny issue where Cyclops has to go into her head to save her from the Void splinter.

Emma. Jean/Cyclops peaked at the wedding issue, and its been downhill ever since. Being with Emma Frost is a great move for the character, and I’m behind it all the way.

If the poll was “Who is a better character” the answer would be Emma, hands down.

However, the question is “Who do you prefer Cyclopc with” and Cyclops and Emma as a couple makes no sense. It never has. The ONLY way I could buy it at all is if it was that Emma was just using Scott to get into the inner circle of mutantdom and Scott was only with Emma for the freaky sex.

As a couple? Oil and water.

I don’t think I will ever warm up to Emma Frost. She’ll always be a villain in my eyes, especially after trying to kill Kitty Pryde.

Scott and Jean may have been boring, but they were dependable and mostly stable (except for that occassional death/rebirth thing). They were like Ma and Pa Kent or Peter Parker and MJ (oops-nevermind). Scott and Emma don’t have a relationship. They’re just having sex. I know they’ve been on it for a few years now, but it still feels cheap to me.

I think the reason so many people support Emma is because she’s drawn and written like a slut and the artists never miss an opportunity to show of her breasts.

Scott and Emma have such a weird relationship it seems. You hardly see them act or talk like they are in a relationship. I suppose their deepest moment I can recall is from the issue of Astonishing where Scott kills himself and Emma gets all broken up.

Jean. But Scott had the hots for Psylocke for awhile, so shouldn’t that be an option too? And where’s Maddie (or has her character been permanently ruined by the whole Goblin Queen thing)?

Ms. Frost, easily.

Can I mention a pet peeve? It’s “Whom do you prefer Cyclops with?” (If that sounds nit-picky, I apologize in advance.)

Scott and Jean had the sort of relationship that people that have never been in a real relationship think exists. It’s bullshit teenage fantasy, and a dull one at that. Scott and Emma are far more interesting and realistic; they have personalities that mesh in someways and conflict in others. And they make each other far more interesting than either was alone.

Maddie. But of the two choices, I went with Emma.

Professor X

Jean is bland and dull.

The one character whose popularity I’ve never understood.

Emma got my vote, if only because she has a personality.

Jean. I’d like to see Emma hook up with Quicksilver, now that would be a couple.

Tom Fitzpatrick

October 21, 2009 at 6:29 am

Emma Frost.

Jean Grey had her day with Scott Summer. He needs to move on, now that Grey’s dead and buried.

I’m with Joe Rice on this one.

Granted, I’m a reader who started just a few months before X-Factor switched up to the Havok-led team, so I missed a lot of the Big stuff – I had read Dark Phoenix, but the Maddie stuff had completely escaped me. So my experience has always been the two of them as a melodramatic soap opera. Until they finally got married, at which point they became Mom and Dad of the X-Men, which isn’t all that interesting.

Scott and Emma’s relationship started with a lot of soapy elements, but since Jean’s most recent death, they’ve settled into a very adult dynamic, where both are equal partners (whereas there had always been something of a power struggle between Jean – more mature but periodically unstable, and Scott – qualified leader and yet strangely insecure).

The fact that Emma hasn’t known Scott since he was a teenager means she doesn’t expect the same insecurities from him. Her confidence in his abilities has been pretty key to his stepping up as leader of the mutant community over the last few years.

(Not hurting is that the bulk of Emma and Scott scenes have been written by Joss Whedon, Warren Ellis and Matt Fraction…three of my favorite writers.)

It’s been a while, but I would still want Scott to be with Jean. How would they have a kid together if she isn’t still out there anyway?

As a X-Men fan for over thirty years this one is easy for me. Cyclops’ (the best X character ever) whole character originally was defined by angst; not being able to control his power and more importantly his longing for Jean. The Dark Phoenix Saga is the pinnacle of the run that LITERALLY DEFINES the X-Men in modern times. That saga, which introduces readers to the White Queen, ended with the death of Jean Grey. Her subsequent resurrection(s) only lessens an otherwise landmark storyline. I hated just about everything Morrison did with the X-men (for what he’s done to Beast alone warrents a punch in the face) but bringing Emma Frost into the mansion was intriguing; having her end up in a relationship with Scott who is already predisposed to telepathic affairs seems like a logical progression. Her character is a refreshing change and gives Scott back his angst. Loved Jean, her sun has set. My vote is for Emma now, besides how many time does the girl you love in highschool end up being the one you were meant to be with?

Everything I think about this issue has already been expressed in this thread.

“emma.
it’s not that jean’s boring. she just doesn’t exist as a character. emma and scott’s relationship is definable. i understand her attraction to his stability, and i understand his attraction to her honesty. with jean, it was just nerdlove. it was the first romance of scott’s life, and with most first loves, it was highly emotional with no logical interest attached. i’d imagine if scott was asked what he loved about jean, he’d say, “i don’t know, i just do” like so many frustratingly lonely teenagers, projecting their hopes onto their partners.”

and

“Scott and Jean had the sort of relationship that people that have never been in a real relationship think exists. It’s bullshit teenage fantasy, and a dull one at that. Scott and Emma are far more interesting and realistic; they have personalities that mesh in someways and conflict in others. And they make each other far more interesting than either was alone.”

‘NUFF SAID!

No option for “Emma, but she’s pretending to be Jean?”

Madelyn Pryor!

Ok, I voted Emma. Only because I want Jean to stay dead.

Scott and Jean were made for each other. Which means his relationship with Emma is far more interesting.

Emma in a walk.

THat’s a very unladylike way for Jean to be sitting on that cover. Is she sumo wrestling?

Boy, I am going to date myself here, by why only those two choices? Jean should have stayed dead, and Scott should have rode (sailed) off into the sunset with Lee Forrester. Really simple. A strong, independent woman with an honest, steady source of income and none of the creepy baggage that went along with Maddie Pryor (I actually liked that character, she was Jean with personality, but there was that little problem – she looked just like Jean! Creepy in spades. Plus, I hated how the rest of the X-men didn’t notice, or pretended not to notice, this fact).
Also, I agree with azjohnson5, Cyclops is the best X-man ever, kind of like the quintessential X-man, so I really don’t quite get all of the Scott-bashing on the internets. As far as I see it, If you don’t like him, you don’t “get” the X-men. Of course, I stopped reading X-books regularly sometime in the mid to late ’80s…

Jean.

I keep waiting for the story that will reveal that Emma has been possessed by an amnesiac Jean from the future all along. Hey, it’s X-Men, you know it can happen.

Emma. Cyclops’ character (as well as Jean’s) was always diminished by their relationship. It was always so “will they/won’t they”, up and down that it ruined them both. Cyclops is a much better character without all the relationship baggage their coupling brought. The same thing happened to Gambit and Rogue. Both characters were great on their own but once they were together, both were ruined.

I agree with other posters, that Madelyn Pryor should have been a choice, there should also have been a choice for his being single for a while.

That said I voted for Jean. I think their relationship was more realistic than the forced together relationship between Scott and Emma. How many times did she try to kill them and he forgave her why? because she’s a slutty badgirl?

I find Emma and Scott to be the much more interesting story coupling, the Jean/Scott coupling was always the relationship that Scott should have strived towards. Them getting married was probably the worst thing for them. In Scott’s mind, Jean should have always been too good for him, always been just out of reach, with things like her “death”, Wolverine, the fact that he was married with child (is married? did they ever actually get divorced?), Scott’s own wandering eye for Psylocke as stepping stones and roadblocks that Scott/Jean would have to overcome. To Jean, Scott is apparently just they type of “mind” that telepaths go ga-ga over.
@those who don’t find the Scott/Emma relationship realistic…
It makes perfect sense to me. Scott is a smart, do everything by the numbers straight-laced guy, who has fallen for the “bad girl”. Scott is also emotionally repressed, which is probably why he falls for telepaths, as they can emotionally “read” him without him truly ever opening up. Jean was pulling away from him emotionally, so while he is emotinally repressed, he obviously craved and needed the connection he had with Jean, and Emma was there for him when Jean was unwilling and unable.
For Emma, Scott is her redemption. If the clean-cut, iron-jawed leader of the X-Men, defender of
“The Dream” could love her, then Emma is worthy of salvation, and of being a “hero”. Plus obviously Scott has a mind that makes telepaths weak in the knees. :P

@Jose…
who wouldn’t forgive a girl trying to kill you if she was a slutty badgirl that dressed like and looks like Emma Frost.

I have to say, i didn’t read the comments, but feel i must explain myself. I voted Emma, but only because I feel Scott’s but less of a wishy washy emo whiner, and more decisive with Emma, even though Jean may be better for him morally in the long run. Why is it that Jean as a character only works really well when she’s dead?

Maybe because Jean was never that much of a character to begin with?

I don’t read X-Men much, and won’t be voting, but I was just wondering… why isn’t Madelyn Pryor a choice?

“The ONLY way I could buy it at all is if it was that Emma was just using Scott to get into the inner circle of mutantdom and Scott was only with Emma for the freaky sex.”

Well, yeah. That’s why it’s interesting, because they *are* oil and water. People with different personalities that have conflicts outside of their existential angst.

I’m now wondering if we should have a follow-up poll: Who do you prefer JEAN with? Choices being Cyclops, Wolverine, Angel, and…hell, Professor X.

I voted Emma because she’s the better looking of the 2 comic book babes. Really though, who cares? While it adds dramatic tension to the books, I think it diminishes Cyclops. These women’s powers feel more significant than his optic blasts even if they can level mountains.

Plus, dating a telepath has to be frustrating:

Jean or Emma: “Scott, don’t you ever think about anything else?”

Cyclops: “No. I’m tired from beating up baddies. Can’t you get out of my head and into my bed? Or at least cook something? I promise I’ll keep my glasses on.”

Jean or Emma: “I was there. We fought the same guy. You don’t think I’m tired too?”

I’m now wondering if we should have a follow-up poll: Who do you prefer JEAN with? Choices being Cyclops, Wolverine, Angel, and…hell, Professor X.

If Emma is perceived as such a good choice for Scott, why not Jean and Jason Wyngarde?

The Phoenix Saga is why I will always be a fan of Jean Grey. Since her resurrection for X-Factor, Jean had been pretty bland.

Emma, cause Jean should stay dead.

One of the few polls where I didn’t let nostalgia rule: I voted Emma. Mainly because Jean and Scott had their thing, but I really wish she’d stayed dead (as in pre-X-factor) and that the X-men embrace a new direction. From Morrison and Whedon’s issues, I’m finding Scott and Emma an interesting match-up anyway.

But yeah, Maddie Pryor should have been listed too. Her wedding to Scott was a nice happy-ever-after for the whole Cyclops arc for me. I think the last time she was treated well was in the X-men/Alpha Flight two-issue miniseries. Then her character got totally mutilated. Too bad.

Emma.

In addition to all the good reasons already listed, to show that there can be lasting changes in comics. Just because two characters were a couple some 40 years ago does not mean they have to stay together forever.

Wait, he’s with Emma Frost now?

Or for that matter, Emma Frost is in the X-Men books these days??

Why? She’s a one-dimensional character.

(thank god I stopped reading them years ago.)

Emma, but only because I can’t vote for Wolverine ( otherwise I would have seconded El Dustino’s choice. The Ho Yay there is off the charts. )

Old Man Doom

Seriously, never bought Emma’s conversion so my vote is for Jean. But I agree Madeline should have been a choice, even if she’s really Jean too. :-)

@Richard: Then you missed the part where she became a fully three-dimensional character.

Omar Karindu, with the power of SUPER-hypocrisy!

October 21, 2009 at 10:57 am

I voted Jean, but mostly because I like the current version of Emma too much and dislike current Cyclops. I’d rather extricate Emma from that mess and let Cyke mope about Dead Saint Jean off to the sides while more likable or at least intelligently-written characters get on with carrying the narrative.

Meh. I preferred Emma’s “will-they-or-won’t-they” with Banshee back in the Generation X days.

Emma.

There is no need to constantly recycle same ideas, stories and relationships. Jean and Scott romance has had plenty of storytime, some of it great like Dark Phoenix Saga. So far this Scott and Emma thing is refreshingly different and entertaining.

Usually superhero relationships are really stale. It is reasonable that someone like Clark Kent only has eyes for his Lois Lane, but for some reason rich celebrity playboy Tony Stark is still after his secretary Pepper Potts, just like back in ’64.

I think one of my first big comments on this blog was explaining why Emma/Cyclops works better than Jean?Cyclops. So I’m going with Emma still.

I’m disappointed nobody has suggested a threesome. (It wouldn’t work, as there’s no chemistry between Emma and Jean, but still.)

Jean!!! without questions…

They are the reed and sue of the x-men.
People are votting emma because in nowdays she is well written. Jean didn’t have that chance, the writters kill her.
and 30 years of history against a psychic affair leaves no doubt.

That can’t be an apt metaphor. Sue is sometimes interesting. Jean has always been a pile of nothing. She’s a giant collection of every dumb idea virginal, no-relationship nerd ever projected upon the idea of women.

Jean.

Emma may be blonde and hot, but cykes only sees “RED”.

Jean was a deep, interesting character when she appeared in Morrison’s New X-Men. For headmasters and teachers of a supposed school for young and confused adolescents, many of the senior X-Men are lacking in empathy and general warmth. Jean provided that. She could also be a bit temperamental, as she even noted when she attacked Emma. But this is all academic. She should’ve stayed dead and she was lucky enough to have another “good” death in Morrison’s run. Emma by default.

I hate Emma. So I voted Jean.

Jean’s a better character – heck, Jean’s my FAVORITE character from a superhero book, ever – and I want her back, but I still vote Emma for Scott. Even though I really liked Morrison’s handling of Cyclops, I do think Cyke’s more interesting with Emma.

I do hope they bring Jean back and I hope she’s single for a while. It’d be nice for to see she and Wolvie hook up now and then too.

I voted Emma. I like Jean, and I liked their romance together, but Scott and Jean were just a highschool romance that went on too long. She’s a maternal character who makes Scott seem like a little kid when he’s around her, while with Emma Scott seems to have grown a pair. It has made him a more intresting character by having her around Scott.

I’d prefer him single. He’s so pompous, I don’t see why he should ever be in a happy relationship. ]:|

I don’t get this “Emma makes Scott more decisive” thing. I haven’t read what Fraction has done with the characters, but everything I saw in Morrison’s New X-Men and Whedon’s Astonishing showed me that being with Emma continually undercuts Scott, makes him second-guess everything, and generally makes him a much worse leader. Check out Scott from the point Jean dies to where he meets Maddie (around #137-#200)…he wanders around by himself a lot, but whenever he’s with the team, he’s decisive, strategic, and even empathic — Scott has a better handle on how the team works than Xavier does.

I’m going with Jean, not necessarily because Jean and Scott are right, but because Emma and Scott are wrong. Emma’s been wrong ever since Morrison. She had plenty of character growth with Gen X; now she’s just bitchy and evil-seeming because she can’t let anyone forget she used to be evil. It’s been years…if she were going to become a better person, she’d have done it by now.

Maddy really should be on this list. I hate how she got turned into that ludicrous clone or whatever she was, just so Scott could be free to persue the resurrected Jean. (And the Goblin Queen was so pointless. They could’ve easily had a normal divorce, seeing as how he abandoned her the way he did. What is the deal with Marvel’s fear of normal break-ups?)

But everyone is right. Jean is boring. And Emma is a far more fascinating character. But I still haven’t figure out what she sees in Scott. Is she only into him to make herself look respectable?

I only just started reading X-Men again. (Hadn’t read it regularly since the 1980s.) So I still may not have a clear understanding of their relationship.

(Strangely enough, although I only a have a small number of issues between 1988 and this year, I DO have the one pictured above. I wish I could find part two. The comic-book store near here only has part three, but I don’t want to buy that without reading part two first.)

had to pick jean for theirs is a love affair of ages for even when jean died as dark phonix she came back and scott became a dead beat dad to be with her. for if Jean was alive scott would run back to her again. he will always love jean. emma he is with for they are both dark and are making choices that a sane person would not make. that plus Scott is with emma for she shows him his true self. dark and all.

If Scott were a real person and a friend, I’d advise him to be with Jean. They’d have a calm, low-drama relationship. However, we are dealing with fictional characters, and calm, low-drama relationships aren’t interesting to read about.

I wonder if taste tests get these sort of replies, as well?

“What do you prefer, Product A or Product B?”

“Why isn’t there a Product C?”

Scott belongs with his Livejournal, Morrissey albums and a tub of Ben & Jerry’s.

Oh come on. Scott is going to end up with Logan because they deserve each other. And like most older women of power, Emma and Jean will end their days with a string of young and pretty boys and eventually bored and alone.

C’mon, Brian. Don’t dodge the question. Why wasn’t Maddie included?

I haven’t really read X-Men since Psychlocke turned Japanese, so I don’t know if Maddie turned out to be a Skrull or a clone or a figment of somebody’s imagination or what, but Maddie vs Jean was quite the thing for a while, wasn’t it?

I voted Emma. Scott & Jean seems obligatory. Scott with a bad girl offers so much more fun.

Emma, because when Jean does come back, and we all know she will, I want her to finally be with Logan. I think they would make an interesting couple.

First, which Jean Grey??
Stan Lee’s?? Roy Thomas’?? Chris Claremont’s?? Grant Morrison’s??
And which Emma Frost??
Chris Claremont’s?? Grant Morrison’s?? Josh Whedon’s?? Warren Ellis’?? Matt Fraction’s??
[Obviously I’ve been following these characters for too long…..]
And why not Jean and Emma as a couple?? That would really give Professor X something to unrequite over.. and drive Scott around the bend!!

im not voting in this one. he doesn’t deserve either of them.

My vote goes to Emma Frost.

FunkyGreenJerusalem

October 21, 2009 at 6:37 pm

But Scott had the hots for Psylocke for awhile, so shouldn’t that be an option too?

No, Psylocke was using her powers to influence him into liking her, only it wasn’t Psylocke doing it, it was Kwannon, the previous owner of the body Psylocke inhabits.

That’s why it wasn’t on the list.

C’mon, Brian. Don’t dodge the question. Why wasn’t Maddie included?

Because she was essentially Jean Grey, to the point that once Jean was back they got rid of her?

Because she had less screen time than any of the others?

Because it’s been twenty years?

Why not put Colleen Wing on the list?

I think Jean needs to get out of repeating the Phoenix storyline constantly. When she returns, I want her to be with Wolverine to break free, and after realizing how much the world has changed (the Greys are dead, Storm is married and is royalty, Cyclops is with Emma, the X-Men left New York) maybe she will join the Avengers with him.

My choice would have been Madeline (at least before Jean’s rebirth necessitated that Maddy be hastily transformed from loving, grounded human being into Sinister-spawned succubus, freeing absent husband Scott to get his guilt-free freak on with his first-ever girlfriend again).

I guess Jean’s gonna have to be close enough.

The Jean & Scott relationship felt forced upon the reader – I never really felt it except in the X-Men/Teen Titans crossover (which essentially introduced me to the X-Men, aside from the Brood story arc).

On the other hand, Emma & Scott seems to bring out the best in Scott – yes, she seems to “undercut” but I see that as challenging him to live up to his potential. Before Emma was on the scene, I felt the natural successor to Prof X was Jean, not Scott (which would have made an interesting story).

I also think Jean & Logan seemed to fit better – as in AoA Weapon X or Ultimate X-Men.

As a very casual X-Fan, I have to ask, “Who is Jean Grey?”

Isn’t she just “the girl?”

Hasn’t she always been just “the girl?”

What is her character? Who is her character?

No offense. I haven’t followed X-Men that much. But, who is Jean Grey?

How about Psylocke?! Those few frames of the 2 of them together by Jim Lee were awesome!

Mutt– I get the impression that for the first decade or so, Jean was just ‘the girl’, but I could be wrong since I’ve only read a few stories from that era. I think it changed somewhat once she became Phoenix, but that first decade of bland personality left it’s mark. It’s hard to develope good characterisation if the character has a long history of blandness. (It took Sue Storm twenty years to break out of being just ‘the girl’ and developing a significant personality.)

But my knowledge of non-Claremont X-Men is pretty slim, so maybe someone more knowledgeable should chime in.

Jean Grey is one of those characters that becomes so influential and iconic that it actually makes her impossible to use afterwards. In the late 1970s it was a wonderfully innovative and powerful idea to have a straight-laced heroine becoming depraved in her power-lust. Plus, it was equally innovative and powerful to have a franchise’s greatest superheroine to die tragically.

Afterwards, there is NOTHING that can ever be done with Jean Grey that can surpass her earlier glory. And to make matters worse, bad girls and female deaths have become so trite and common in superhero comics, that it takes cosmic-level effort to remember why Jean Grey was so special once.

Bring her back or don’t bring her back, it doesn’t really matter anymore.

FunkyGreenJerusalem

October 21, 2009 at 10:28 pm

I wonder if taste tests get these sort of replies, as well?

“What do you prefer, Product A or Product B?”

“Why isn’t there a Product C?”

Having just been to a meeting on the results of market research for the channel I work at… yes, yes you do.

At one part there was a promo spot made for a weekly spot we have – there were some tick the box questions, and a ‘do you have any comments about this promo’, and people used it to talk about the channel as a whole.
(This happened with pretty much any time you let people do more than tick a box – they just wrote about whatever was on their mind).

So, the other side doesn’t have it better.

Where’s the third option of “Cyclops should be shunned by the entire female population of the MU for being such a douche”?

A lot of people calls Scott whiner et all, but I can’t remember a run where he was alone, in fact he must be one of the marvel characters with greater appeal between marvel universe women: Jean, Colleen Wing, Jean again, Aleytis Forrester, Madelyne, Jean gain …. and now Emma.
So, while I prefer some of the previous mentioned characters, I’ll go with Jean.

By the way, where’s capt. Farrester nowadays, the last I’ve seen from her was that she has a relation with Magneto (when he was good).

i vote Jean. one of the original 5 says it all.

Emma tries to kill the x-men for many years, and now she’s with one of them… that’s lame…

Having just been to a meeting on the results of market research for the channel I work at… yes, yes you do.

At one part there was a promo spot made for a weekly spot we have – there were some tick the box questions, and a ‘do you have any comments about this promo’, and people used it to talk about the channel as a whole.
(This happened with pretty much any time you let people do more than tick a box – they just wrote about whatever was on their mind).

So, the other side doesn’t have it better.

Yeah, good point, no matter what, you’ll get those kinds of comments.

Ah well, no big deal, of course.

Emma would share.

Jean just needs a little persuasion….

Jean.

It’s a thing called true love, which is something Emma and Scott will never share. I mean, I can perfectly understand why Scott would end up in the arms of someone else after years of Jean’s various fluctuations, clones, deaths, alternate children and whatnot, but in the end I believe she’s the one he loves, not Emma.

I’m gonna have to go with Jean and Scott. To some, it came off as boring, and it seemed to spice up Scott’s love life, but honestly, I felt Jean and Scott felt more genuine. They weren’t the traditional couple, with clones running around and all that, but you knew they still loved each other. Some would say Scott betrayed Jean from beyond the grave, but Jean pushed him to be with Emma, she wanted him to be happy and carry on. That’s love right there.

As much as I like Emma, after reading Generation X, I’ve always wanted to see her and Banshee hook up, though the chances of that now seem slimmer… you could just feel sexual tension between the two. That or have Emma live it up, be fun and single… With Scott and Jean, they felt boring, but they weren’t. They were in love and rarely faced any drama, minus clones and kids from the future.

With Scott and Emma, it seemed unusual at first, but I didn’t detest it or anything. Some writers got a good handle on it, to me, Whedon did a good job with that, and others, well they know how to make it nauseating, though I won’t name names. Jean and Scott felt more consistent to me as well…

You know, a little hot telepath-telepath girl-on-girl action might actually have gotten Emma and Jean comfortable with each other enough to share him.

Who knows what really happened behind the scenes when Dark Phoenix was at the Hellfire club?

Emma’s a very complex character. Jean is less so, because she was so much more powerful than Emma, powers-wise, that she shut herself up TOO much. The only time she let her hair down was as Dark Phoenix, and that wasn’t even really her!

I’m abstaining from this, because I gave up on Marvel years ago (one word – Onslaught). but, opinion-wise, the only reason why Jean isn’t running equal to Emma in these comments is because the character was written to be one of those “I CAN’T open up because my powers are too strong” types, and was deliberately understated – that Maddie DIDN’T have that limitation is what makes so many people like her more than Jean, despite her effectively being the same person.

One more for Jean. Scott and jean are a pure and genuine relationship. something that everybody wants in life.

By the way, why people try to fix wolverine with a girl… the man is a lone wolf, he doesn’t have one woman, he has several…

just imagine…
w – honey i’m home.
how was your day?
w- the usual, go for a ride, got shot and stab… ahh and i kill some people, a normal day in the “office”
good for you, now go clean the claw and come to dinner
w – yes dear…

LOL

Hey, I love redheads as much as the next guy, but Jean was always kind of boring. I much prefer Emma with Scott. When (and not IF) Jean comes back, they should finally let Wolverine be with her, poor hairy little bastich has waited long enough…

I read all the comments before voting, and I decided that Emma’s better. Plus, I’m in the camp that wants Jean to stay dead this time. She’s much more interesting dead.
That isn’t to say I want her to never show up… but showing up every once in a while as the cosmic White Pheonix of the Crown or whatever the hell she calls herself these days is a much more interesting concept than her being a regular character.

Nice opinions, i vote Jean.

Marvel are destroying years of history, i didn´t like what they did with spidey and MJ, and don’t like this scott and emma thing. whos next? with the disney aquisition, maybe they break mickey and minie or donald and daisy.

Jean is a good caracter, but in the last years the writters want the phoenix, and everytime phoenix rises they kill her.

The Mutt – Jean was indeed basically just “the girl…” until Dark Phoenix, and then when she came back, she was basically just “the girl” again… until Morrison. At which point she became one of the coolest characters under (or beyond) the Sun.

There is only one answer and it’s Jean Grey.

I think what makes me a fan of Scott and Jean is a that they remain a pretty normal couple, minus Morrison’s run, despite everything that has happened to them. At the end of the day they’ve got each other. I don’t need twists and turns to make a relationship interesting to me. I enjoyed that their relationship was never really a spotlight, it was just a background thing, you knew it was there, you knew it was working, you didn’t need updates every couple of issues. They were Scott and Jean, like Reed and Sue and Peter and MJ, they were meant for each other, no wondering if they would or wouldn’t, they just do. I liked that most about the pairing, I liked how you saw it build from the early thought bubbles in X-Men #4 to them admitting something is there in X-Men #32. It felt like a natural progression, again, minus all the Phoenix, clones, resurrection’s plot lines, to the marriage in X-Men (2nd Series) #30.

People other than thirteen-year old virgin girls in the suburbs say “meant for each other”?

Hey Joe Rice!
Yes, people other than thirteen-year old virgin girls in the suburbs DO say “meant for each other”!
At least, my wife and i do.
Just in case your not just being a total ass.
DFTBA

Jean. She’s “the one” for Scott. And that’s just what makes Scott and Emma such a good combo — exactly because: 1) E needs to be his one, for her own sake, trying to live up to her redemption, and she _never_ will be, no matter how much he loves her 2) he wants to love her as much as he did (does) J, and he never will, and that just adds to his own awesome dickness/striving-to-be-worthy of xavier’s dream leader conflict 3)Jean’s “one” is actually Logan — yes, you know it (and so do scott, logan and jean, though they will never admit it to themselves — so as much as she loves scott, at the end of the day it’ll be logan who’s there with her (look how grant handled her last end: genius 4) Jean’s coming back one of these days — they ALL know it deep down inside, so no matter what they try to do, they know it won’t last. J+E+S+L = a double triangle that’s simply one of the best things about the x-men (again, thank grant).

actually, I guess I mean _I_ like him better with Emma — it’s more fun BECAUSE who (in the story-world) he wants / should be with is Jean (and who she wants is Logan), but he’s doing his best w/Emma, who knows he’s trying to do his best, but wants Jean, etc.

I’ll second “azjohnson5″ words. That´s precisely what I´d say.

As much as I love Jean, I think SCOTT IS a better character with Emma, and I guess that´s the question “who do you prefer cyclops with?”, not just who do you prefer.

By the way, I hate how non X-Men writers (and some of them to) just don´t get Cyclops, and turn him into some stupid Professor X little helper.

FunkyGreenJerusalem

October 22, 2009 at 10:08 pm

Jean’s “one” is actually Logan — yes, you know it (and so do scott, logan and jean, though they will never admit it to themselves — so as much as she loves scott, at the end of the day it’ll be logan who’s there with her

So you’re saying she lied when she married Scott?

And that Logan lied in New X-Men when he mentioned how they were all past that?

(look how grant handled her last end: genius

With a four part tale set in an alternate future, that will never come to be due to her actions in it?

They were Scott and Jean, like Reed and Sue and Peter and MJ, they were meant for each other, no wondering if they would or wouldn’t, they just do.

What? Surely Peter was ‘meant’ for Gwen Stacy, that’s why Peter and MJ, like Scott and Emma, make for an interesting couple, because they weren’t meant to be together.

no doubt in here… Jean

Scott/Jean married, they “have two kids”, they fall in love in diferent timelines and alternative universes. Thats why they “meant for each other”.

Logan/Emma are just third whells to spice up the relationship from time to time. Maybe they should hook up together

Cyclops dont need emma to become a interesting character, he only need to be well written.

Hey, I’m having trouble finding the results to this. Could someone post a link?

Results for polls go up on Tuesdays.

Emma, she makes Scott a more interesting character. Jean is an interesting character, more interesting than Scott, but he can only be boring with her. With Emma, he shows conflicting emotions, and is more interesting. I’ve only read a little of Fraction’s X-Men, but I liked Cyclops in the Morrison and Whedon era more than the time before it.

It’s been mentioned before, but I do think that Scott would go for a 2-for-1 deal if he could pull it off. Let’s face it: Cyke’s got a psy fetish.

I’d love to see Jean come back and be with anybody besides Scott. There’s so much more to explore with her since she’s only been with Scott and had that long standing thing for Logan. I’d like to see her with someone she hasn’t been with before.

Vincent Paul Bartilucci

October 24, 2009 at 11:52 am

Dear God, people! Jean was a wonderful character long before the almighty Morrison wrote the X-Men.

Jeez, I hate this @#$% ….

What? No Madelyne Pryor as an option. Just ’cause she was a clone. Let’s hear it for the Goblin Queen!
But seriously, never really bought the whole Scott/Emma thing. Wish she would turn evil again. Haven’t even liked Summers himself since towards the end of Whedon’s run. Loved the run itself, just not what happened to Summers, especially after Whedon left.

I voted for Emma, even though there are things about them being together that bothers me, like her trying to be Jean, she should be herself, far more interesting. Jean is my favorite character and I think her relationship with Scott is not healthy… Yes, they had this teen love going on for some time until the Phoenix Saga happenned, and he found out that wild side of her that only Wolverine had seen and Scott loved it! The problem was that it turned out it was not realy Jean, so he got traumatized about the whole Dark Phoenix… After that whenever Jean was being herself he would always think she was being possessed again. I mean, the guy wants her to be all wild and dangerous, but he’s afraid whenever she is acting like that. I think Scott and Emma are great together ’cause they are on the same level, no one is overshined, and both have a chance to show their personality. That’s why it would be great to have Jean back ’cause she’s so much more than both of them and she would have a real chance of being herself, which would only prove wrong those who think Emma is hotter than Jean, ’cause you know, being sluty does not make you hotter, only usefull.

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