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A Year of Cool Comic Book Moments – Day 297

Here is the latest cool comic book moment in our year-long look at one cool comic book moment a day (in no particular order whatsoever)! Here‘s the archive of the moments posted so far!

Let’s try a few special bits as we draw closer to #300 (which, at this exact moment, I don’t know what I’m going to use – tell you what, folks, I have an idea for a feature series, but I’m either starting it with #300 or #301, so if you have a great idea for a REALLY cool moment that I should feature for #300, drop me a line at bcronin@comicbookresources.com, and I’ll see if I change my mind and feature something else at #300 – there are a lot of really cool moments left out there – heck, today’s moment is pretty darn special and it is only just getting posted!) – the reveal of who the “Dark Master” is in the Great Darkness Saga…

Okay, the set-up is this “Dark” guy has been kicking all sorts of ass against the Legion, and now he has a plot involving giving all the people on Daxam powers like Superman. They are now his slaves…but who IS he?

What a great reveal!

Well done by writer Paul Levitz and artist Keith Giffen (was he co-plotter by this time?)!

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I’ve never been too clear… was this the first major appearance for Darkseid outside of Kirby’s Fourth World work? I remember reading these at the time and not knowing who he was and loving the whole storyline. I owe Levitz and Giffen for making me search out the original Kirby work.

Did Jack ever have any public reaction to this storyline?

How come Thor is on Daxam? Albeit with red hair.

It really was his first major appearance since Fourth World. Up to this point he had showed up in a few comics but never like the Darkseid we see in LSH. The LSH appearance is a changing point for the character. I read this when I was a kid and it gave me goose bumps. In my shirt comic reading history I didn’t know who he was until the LSH.

Who suddenly decided that ‘reveal’ was a noun? I never heard it used that way until just a couple of years ago, and now it seems everybody uses it. It sounds so stupid. There was already a perfectly good noun version of the word– ‘revelation’. Am I the only one who still says ‘revelation’?

As for the actual topic of discussion here…. I don’t really have any opinions. I’ve never read a Darkeid story in my life, and don’t really know anything about him.

As for suggestions for #300, have you considered anything from Peter Gillis’s Dr Strange saga in Strange Tales? That entire series was great from beginning to end. Or how about Spectacular Spider-Man #103 (the Blaze story) or Amazing #267 (the Commuter)? These are the stories that introduced Peter David (BEFORE the Death of Jean Dewolfe), and they may be the best comedy stories ever from a major super-hero series. Cool moments all the way through.

Giffen was indeed credited as a “co-plotter”.

This issue was the one that led me to start reading comics again. I was 12 years old, and hadn’t picked up a comic for years. I walked into a “Mac’s Milk” (convenience store chain in Canada), saw the cover (one of my all time favourites), and immediately forked over the 75 cents. I had maybe read one or two issues back in the mid-70s, but that was the day I became a lifelong Legion fan.

I had never seen Darkseid either, and had no idea of his previous appearances. So he was all kinds of awesome to me. And for years whenever I saw Darkseid in some other comic, he was “that guy from the Legion stories”.

Lauren, I know it’s a typo, but the idea of “shirt comic reading” is very intriguing.

As for cool moment #300: I haven’t read it, but are there any cool moments from “300”? Or is that too obvious?

First page, 3rd panel, has not only a “Thor” clone, but a Black Bolt type. Giffen loved doing that stuff. Another issue featured a flying tour bus — with the pilot “Oli-3 Queen.” Blond with a goatee, natch.

Ah, the days when Giffen actually drew…

J.

cool moments not to mention shows how paul understood the legion not to mention how chlling it was to see dark side gloating over his plan and braniacs i am suddelly very cold and scared proving how dark side can even make a off spring of braniac scared as for the 300 hundred one how about some more of neils sandman or maybe suicide squad

I think I agree with chad but I’m too confused to be sure.

Conway/Pérez used Darkseid in a three-part JLA story, circa 1980. Sure, the Legion story, two or three years later, is grander all-’round–but Darkseid still uses a quite comparable bait-and-switch “military” strategy.

Darkseid and the rest of the Fourth Wold characters had previously appeared in a three-part Justice League of America story in which the Earth-2 JSA also appeared.

For 300 how about when the Joker killed Jason Todd? “I should have done that years ago!” Brilliant.

This was after the Conway New Gods revival. (Which I haven’t read any of. But I assume Darkseid was there.)

And Darkseid was a major, albeit mostly behind-the-scenes, player in Secret Society of Super-Villains.

So he’d been around a decent amount between Mister Miracle # 18 and here.

Like others, I was totally unaware of the character at the point of this revelation. I wasn’t sure for years after how his name was pronounced: Darkside or Darkseed? I AM pronouncing it right today, correct? Anyway, this storyline hooked me for the rest of my comic buying life as a fan of the Legion (and Darkseid).

“These are the stories that introduced Peter David (BEFORE the Death of Jean Dewolfe), and they may be the best comedy stories ever from a major super-hero series.”

I disagree with this, and that’s speaking as a Peter David fan. He’s done better and funnier stories (Rick Jones’s bachelor party springs immediately to mind).

I had been reading comics a few years when I got the LSH/Great Darkness Saga so I knew of Darkseid and had actually guessed that he was the big bad for this storyline. When the big reveal happened, I wasn’t let down at all but actually very excited that I had figured out something in advance in a comic book. It was my own personal cool comic book moment,; with no internet spoilers to take it away from me, it was all mine!

Suggestion for post #300? How about something from an issue #300 of long running tltle? For example: Superman#300? Or while we’re on the subject of the Legion, LSH#300. .

Cerebus 300?

Suggestion for post #300?

I like Dave Lane´s idea; but what about something from Miller´s 300?

Ont eht other hand I think it would be great to have Kitty Pride´s sacrifice or Colossus return. Guess it would be one of the most recent moments so far.

Did you do a cool moment from Frank Miller’s 300 yet? It seems to be an obvious choice.

FunkyGreenJerusalem

October 25, 2009 at 5:18 pm

How about for #300, you use a scene from the greatest #300 of them all, Uncanny X-Men #300!

Be it the part where they attack the Acolytes, headed by Fabian Cortez, but let them get away, or the scene where they point out that Bishop had more of an effect than Cable at getting Xavier to militarize, the issue was packed with ‘KEWL!’ moments, even before there was ‘kewl’!

It’s DarkSIDE. Not DarkSEED.

as for 300, maybe something indie? Peter Bagge, maybe? Loves me some Peter Bagge. “I scream, you scream, we all scream FOR HEROIN!” from Stinky’s band? (Leonard and the Love-Gods, for those of you keeping score. And I’m fully cognizant of the fact that not a man-jack among is doing so but still. We are nerds, gentlemen, protocol must be adhered to and all that.) Or Martini Baton.

Maybe not Martini Baton.

Or the comic 300?

FunkyGreenJerusalem– Were you going for some Deadpan ironic humour, or were you serious? You actually like X-Men #300? I thought it was horrible, and a good example of what’s wrong with superhero comics in the last couple of decades. So is it my taste that is really screwed up or yours? (Probably mine.)

I haven’t read a great many #300 issues. Avengers #300 is just as bad, and possibly worse, and the Uncanny issue. Amazing Spider-Man #300 was all right, but not that great, and Venom went really downhill as a character within a few years, but I don’t know if you can hold that against the original story. I thought Fantastic Four #300 was all right. It was a normal-sized issue without any epic battles, something that should be done more often for anniversary issues. It did contain an important, status-changing event, at least originally, until Tom DeFalco re-wrote history a few years later. I hate it when they do things like that.
I used to have Archie #300, but all I can remember about it is the cover, so I guess it wasn’t that great.

Stephane Savoie

October 25, 2009 at 7:44 pm

You could always do a week of good #300s.
Iron Man 300 has the big showdown between Stark and Stane.
Hulk 300 has him getting banished to the crossroads.
Hmmm… that’s all I’ve got.

To FunkyGreenJerusalem again–
I guess I came across a little mean and insulting there. Sorry. I was just stunned that someone would consider that a great issue. (I can understand if you like it more than I do. It just seems shocking that you would like it that much.) You can insult something I like if you want. (I like the Englehart Fantastic Four– a lot of people consider that an insane opinion.)
To Stephane–
I thought Iron Man #200 was the showdown between Stark and Stane. Or did it happen twice? I forgot all about Hulk #300. That was a good one. Thanks for reminding me.

Didn’t Thor have a great #300 issue, the climax to a long build-up story telling part of the untold and unremembered history of Thor matching up with Wagner’s Ring Cycle operas? I remember enjoying that entire story as I collected it years later.

Well, if you have to go with the blatantly obvious but limiting “300th issue” or 300 tie-in, I would suggest Amazing Spider-Man 300, with either the church scene (homaged in the fairly recent, crappy movie) or where Spidey reverts to the blue and red costume as one of the moments.

If we’re open to anything… well, I’ll email Brian with my suggestions for that one.

FunkyGreenJerusalem

October 25, 2009 at 8:50 pm

I guess I came across a little mean and insulting there. Sorry. I was just stunned that someone would consider that a great issue.

Too little too late – words can’t take back the tears!

So is it my taste that is really screwed up or yours? (Probably mine.)

Don’t ever question your own taste when it comes to hating mid-90’s schlock.

It was what cemented Darkseid as a total badass after Kirby’s Fourth World comics ended. Boy, that was one fantastic run.

Omar Karindu, with the power of SUPER-hypocrisy!

October 25, 2009 at 9:04 pm

How about Action Comics #300, which was partly the basis of the Justice League animated episode “Hereafter?”

Hulk #300, featuring the exile of the Hulk after he fights, well, everybody at once?

Daredevil #300, the first Fall of the Kingpin (before it started happening every time a new writer came on).

Cerebus #300, if only on the grounds that it marked an achievement in self-publishing?

Or greatest of all, Detective Comics #300, which is the introduction of…the Polka-Dot Man!!! (Boy, those crickets started chirping outta nowhere.)

@Mary: Languages evolve until they are dead. Where would be if Shakespeare had that attitude?

I know languages change. That doesn’t bother me. In fact, I’ve long been fascinated by the changes.
It just annoys me when it sounds ignorant, that’s all.

I’m upsetting everybody to-day, I guess. (There’s a fascinating change. Until the early twentieth century, ‘to-day’ had a hyphen. I only occasionally spell it that way, though. Just for fun. Or for shits and giggles, as they say in some places. I love the English language.)

I’m still wracked with guilt for what I said to FunkyGreenJerusalem. I think lately I’ve been writing comments on here really quickly, without taking the time to really consider what I’m saying. I should’ve known that would lead to trouble.

I’m sorry, your Funkiness.

@Mary: I’ve always been under the assumption that it started as a term in writing, specifically screenplays, so sort of I read it with invisible quotes around it. I’ve no proof of this, though, or any idea who used it first (if I guessed I’d think Robert McKee’s “Story,” but this, too, is something I can’t prove). So it never strikes me as stupid, since I read it as a specific moment in a script rather than a generic ‘revelation.’ If someone suddenly tells me my parents aren’t really my parents, that’s a revelation. If it happens in a script, that’s a reveal.

Anyway, I thought your preemptive apology to Funky was pretty genuine, but even if it hadn’t been, *I* would’ve been appeased by being called “your Funkiness.”

My apologies are always genuine.

I’ve been leaving a lot of comments on here. Now I’m starting to feel guilty over that.

I feel guilty for leading you to find something new to feel guilty about.

Mary,

On reveal I think it actually a very old meaning of the word, dating back to the14th century, that has become popular again.

If you look at this link it certainly dates it back to this time

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reveal

I’m still wracked with guilt for what I said to FunkyGreenJerusalem.

I wouldn’t be. It’s not as if he every misses an opportunity to stir shit.

Been waiting for a moment from this arc, and this certainly is the best one. Maybe the Death of KK as another great Levitz/Giffen Legion moment?

If you’re still fishing for #300, you haven’t done a bit form Action Comics #1 yet, or maybe you’re saving that until the end.

Matthew Johnson

October 26, 2009 at 6:35 am

While you’re doing Legion moments, Princess Projectra killing Nemesis Kid in LSH v3 #5 is an all-time great moment.

As for #300, I don’t know… as a “300” reference, how about the moment in Cartoon History of the Universe where Xerxes notes the Spartans at Thermopylae all having their hair done? (Somehow that moment, which is in Herodotus, didn’t make it into either the Miller comic or the movie…)

Not a nomination for Cool Comic Book Moment #300, but for an other-numbered cool moment from the Levitz LSH: I loved the long-running “Who is Sensor Girl?” storyline, and the big reveal there was awesome. It came during a climactic battle with the new (and literally fatal) Fatal Five — with Emerald Empress now in charge, and she never seemed so badass before.

As for Darkseid and pronunciation: I know everyone says “dark-side,” but the way it’s spelled, it oughtta be “dark-seed.” To the degree that there are any rules in English, there’s an old guideline: “When two vowels go walking, the first does its talking.” As in “receive” or “either”; “die” or “crier.” (Unless, of course, Darkseid is a Fourth World tyrant with German roots, because in Germany, it’s the second vowel in the “i-e” combo that gets pronounced. Hence, beer is “bier,” und “wine” is “wein.”)

Anyway, great moment, Brian.

Rebis, a lot of people pronounce either to sound like “eye-ther”, and neither as “nigh-ther”, This is more often true in British English (which I, as a traditional Canadian English speaker, tend to use more often than not). US English usually tends toward the “ee-ther”/”nee-ther” variety, though really both forms are commonly heard in US/Canadian/Australian/etc speech.

According to the Jack FAQ (http://www.povonline.com/jackfaq/JackFaq4.htm), Kirby pronounced it as “Dark-Side”, but apparently was not insistent that others do so.

So what were the great 300s in publication history? We’ve mentioned Hulk, Spider-Man, Iron Man, X-Men….There’s also:

– Avengers #300, with the worst-ever lineup of Captain America, Thor (not bad so far), Mister Fantastic, the Invisible Woman (who both quit that issue), and…uh…Gilgamesh.
– Fantastic Four #300, with the wedding of the Human Torch and Alicia “I’m really a Skrull!” Masters
– Captain America #300: the final, ok not really, showdown between Cap and the Skull

I’d love to see Hulk #300 show up, as it was a great succession of Hulk beating up hero after hero, climaxing with the Thor fight.

LouReedRichards

October 26, 2009 at 9:30 am

I would vote for Cerebus #300.
I’ve never even read a full issue, but publishing 300 issues of an independent comic is certainly a thing worthy of praise. Even if he Sim does come off like a creep in some of the the interviews I’ve read.

I’d go with Legion #300 too.

FunkyGreenJerusalem

October 26, 2009 at 5:05 pm

I’m sorry, your Funkiness.

The only apology that would be needed, would be that you truly believed that I thought Uncanny X-Men #300 was any good!

(ie, I was pulling your leg! Sorry!)

Anyway, I thought your preemptive apology to Funky was pretty genuine, but even if it hadn’t been, *I* would’ve been appeased by being called “your Funkiness.”

It appeased me until I started wondering why the rest of you don’t call me that!

Awesome. The Levitz era of the LSH is one of my favorite runs of all time. Glad to see this storyline showing up.

This was a major deal because this was the first direct tie-in to a 20th Century villain that regular LSH continuity ever had. The Composite Superman doesn’t count since he never actually traveled to the 30th Century.

This is why as much as I loved the Abnett/Lanning run on Legion, the reveal of Ra’s Al Ghul (or rather his clone) as the first big villain felt very hollow to me.

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