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You Decide ’09 – Final Week Results!

Each day in October I gave you folks a poll question. Each poll lasted four days. The results were posted every Tuesday leading up to (and ending with) today, Election Day, the first Tuesday in November. Here is the master list of all questions asked so far and all the results so far!

And here are the final week’s worth of poll results!

Enjoy!

I’ll be giving the rounded percentage numbers (like 37% instead of 36.8%), except to break a tie! Because of rounded numbers, some percentages may seem to add up to more than 100%.
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Out of 1,842 replies to the question:

Who is your least favorite member of the original Justice League?

You decided:

38% Aquaman

21% Martian Manhunter

15% Wonder Woman

8% Green Lantern

7% Superman

6% Batman

5% Flash
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Out of 1,189 replies to the question:

Did you like Ben Reilly as a character?

You decided:

60% Yes

40% No
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Out of 1,745 replies to the question:

What was your favorite villain reveal?

You decided:

21% The Thunderbolts are the Masters of Evil!

20% Ozymandias is the evil mastermind behind everything!

9% Xorn is Magneto!

8% Terra is working for Deathstroke!

5% Alex is working with the Pride!!

4.3% Omniman is a villain!

4.18% Jean Loring killed Sue Dibny!

4.18% Norman Osborn is the Green Goblin!

4.13% Darkseid is the bad guy in The Great Darkness Saga!

3.61% The President is the head of the Secret Empire!

3.15% Dynaman is Hitler!

2.98% Niles Caulder is the big bad!

2.69% “Why my dear, just say…’Uncle’…” from Swamp Thing

2.46% Mr. Mxyzptlk has gone insane!

1.78% The Hyperclan are White Martians!

1.6% Other answer…

0.63% Doctor Octopus is the Master Planner!

0.63% Alfred is the Outsider!
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Out of 1,321 replies to the question:

Which title has had the highest percentage of great stories?

You decided:

36% Amazing Spider-Man

26% Daredevil

22% Hellblazer

17% Flash
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Out of 1,345 replies to the question:

Who is your favorite member of the original Justice League?

You decided:

29% Batman

17% Green Lantern

15.91% Martian Manhunter

15.61% Flash

11% Superman

6% Aquaman

5% Wonder Woman
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Out of 1,148 replies to the question:

Who is the definitive Justice League artist?

You decided:

33% George Perez

28% Kevin Maguire

14% Dick Dillin

9% Howard Porter

6% Mike Sekowsky

3.22% Doug Mahnke

3.14% Adam Hughes

2.87% Ed Benes
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Out of 1,597 replies to the question:

Who is your favorite butler?

You decided:

76% Alfred Pennyworth

24% Edwin Jarvis

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Out of 1,694 replies to the question:

Who is your favorite member of the all-new, all-different X-Men?

You decided:

36% Nightcrawler

20% Wolverine

15% Cyclops

12% Colossus

8% Storm

5% Banshee

2% Thunderbird

1% Sunfire

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Out of 657 replies to the question:

Who is your favorite horror comic host?

You decided:

35% Crypt Keeper (Tales from the Crypt)

25% Cain (House of Mystery)

19% Vampirella (Vampirella)

6% Abel (House of Secrets)

3.35% The Three Witches (The Witching Hour)

3.2% Uncle Creepy (Creepy)

2.89% Destiny (Weird Mystery Tales)

2.13% Vault Keeper (Vault of Horror)

1.98% Lucien (Tales of the Ghost Castle)

1% Old Witch (The Haunt of Fear)

0.46% Cousin Eerie (Eerie)

0.3% Eve (Secrets of Sinister House)
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That’s it for You Decide ’09!

I hope you had fun!!

69 Comments

I did!

I’m a little sorry I missed that X Men poll, though; I definitely would have shown Colossus some love.

I misread “Which title has had the highest percentage of great stories?” when I first saw it and thought it said “Which title has had the most great stories?” so I voted for Spider-Man.

Amazing Spider-Man?

Really?

Because the Flash Wally West series was essentially crappy to kick off, but then we had Messner-Loebs, Waid, Morrison, and Johns in rapid succession.

Daredevil definitely didn’t have that batting average. Spider-Man definitely doesn’t either.

Those Justice League results are surprising, to say the least. Martian Manhunter 21% most disliked, while 40% Black Lantern wanted alive. 11% Superman most liked, I wouldn’t have called that. 17% for Green Lantern, I still don’t see the appeal.

To be fair, the only other member of the original JLA represented on the Black Lantern poll was Aquaman, who is apparently both more hated and less well-liked, according to the above.

But yeah, those are the really interesting results. It seems odd that Wonder Woman is still considered part of the trinity, given that she’s only slightly less hated than the two members who can’t support their own books and has the least love of anyone. Histocial significance, I guess. Also, Superman, while not particularly hated, doesn’t appear to be particularly loved either. It perhaps lends some validity to those “he’s so white bread” criticisms, but I also suspect that some people were voting based on how well he fit in with the team.

I am the only one who suspects Howard Porter got a big boost because of the writer he was paired with?

Much love for Kurt! Like it.

Also enjoying the dichotomy of J’onn being second least liked and third most liked in the LJ lineup. Well, he’s my favourite anyway.

Andy, don’t forget that these polls only measure the oppinion of the Internet hardcore fans.

I very much doubt Nightcrawler is more liked than Wolverine by the general comic-reading public (not to mention the general public, period).

I have to admit that what surprised me the most is Spider-Man having the greatest percentage of good stories. I think he had the LEAST percentage of the four titles mentioned. I also can’t see why people like Ben Reilly. Must be an age thing, lots of people starting reading comics in the 1990s.

Xorn is Magneto got more votes than i thought possible…

Has George Perez got some massive history with the JLA that I’m unaware of? All I know of is Avengers/JLA which isn’t nearly enough to qualify as definitive

No love for the Caulder reveal makes me sad. Did enough people not read that amazing run of Doom Patrol?

And I doubt that many people reading the Watchmen were actually surprised to see Ozy as the bad guy. I think most anyone reading that comic has the ending spoiled to them one way or another.

Yay for Alfred though. Way to kick ass, sir, way to kick ass.

I thought Caulder as a bad guy didn’t add much to the story and was poorly telegraphed. I love those comics, though! I voted for ‘other’ but for the life of me can’t remember what I put…

I mean, “was foreshadowed in a clumsy and obvious way.” Because “poorly telegraphed” doesn’t really make sense.

Holy crap, Nightcrawler won? Awesome!

Even where I disagree it is a simple difference of opinion….

BUT…

Amazing Spider-man having a HIGHER PERCENTAGE of great stories than Hellblazer?!?

WTH?

I am assuming that most people misread the question….

People had to read the ASM question wrong. I was expecting a little more disdain towards Green Lantern. Ah well. And yes, we on the internert love Nightcrawler, but only swashbuckling Nightcrawler, not angsty, religious Nightcrawler.

Amen Matt. Swashbuckling Nightcrawler is sorely missed.

I am surprised Hellblazer finished as low as it did. Unexpected.

Rusty, people didn’t misread the question they just don’t read Hellblazer.

It actually saddens me that Dick Dillin got so little respect. Sure he wasn’t the most famous nor was he the most talented name on the list, but damn it the man IS the definitive JLA artist for an entire generation. George Perez literally did less than 25 JLA issues. Same with Porter ( who should bow down and kiss Dilins cold dead you-know-what). Jla was the man’s lifes work, people. sheesh.

I’m, uh, pretty sure I voted for Batman on both JLA polls. I think I misread the “least favorite” one as “favorite”. ‘Cause I remember seeing one or the other and thinking, “didn’t they just ask this a few days ago?”

Perez is a fantastic artist, but I don’t see how he could be considered the DEFINITIVE artist for any iteration of the League. He only illustrated, what, maybe a dozen issues of the ongoing series and JLA/Avengers?

“It actually saddens me that Dick Dillin got so little respect. Sure he wasn’t the most famous nor was he the most talented name on the list, but damn it the man IS the definitive JLA artist for an entire generation. George Perez literally did less than 25 JLA issues. Same with Porter ( who should bow down and kiss Dilins cold dead you-know-what). Jla was the man’s lifes work, people. sheesh.”

Less than 25? More like less than 12, as my memory serves (plus, in fairness, a whole lot of covers). This can’t be anything other than name recognition. Dillin’s 120-some issue run (with only one or two missed issues) definitely deserved top place here.

I own well over 200 Justice League books, highest percentage Obviously by Dillin, ( if you are gonna argue for the man, spell it right people). Although I love his work, Perez has him beat, doesn’t matter how many issues he drew. The layouts, storytelling, detail, the man is amazing. I still say his and Conway’s issues together are the best, New Gods, Shaggy Man, Royal Flush Gang, Secret Society of Super-Villians, JSA cross-overs, and especially the Red Tornado origin, and this doesn’t even take into account his work on JLA/Avengers, Crisis, and the New Teen Titans cross-over, Dillin is the definitive Blackhawks artist, but George beats him out on JLA for me. Kinda surprised that the Elf beat Wolvie, but I love them both. Really enjoying X-Men Forever and seeing these characters treated and used correctly. Dumbest decision ever in comics was Bob Harras choosing Jim Lee over Clearmont.

Thunderbolts over Ozymandius…really…really…REALLY?!?!?!

How many copies of the Thunderbolts TPBs get sold every year? Stupid internet polls.

Wow, aside from Alfred and the Elf, nothing this week went the way I voted. I went for Barry least and Hal most, just said no on Ben Reilly, and voted for the Darkseid reveal, the DD run, Dick Dillin and Destiny.

Watchmen was a great comic but Ozy wasn’t much of a surprise — Thunderbolts was indeed a surprise but I wasn’t all that involved in the fresh new team on the block and just thought, “Oh, that’s clever.” But the Great Darkness Saga blew my mind when I read it the first time.

I love Perez’s stuff but he hardly ever did JLA, whereas Dillin’s long and awfully strong run totally defined that comic, and thus was definitive by definition.

Has anyone gone back and looked in the greatest % of stories thread and seen how many people said they voted for Spider-Man?

I was really shocked on that one. For the record I voted Flash but if I were to rank them I’d put Spider-Man last.
Though I haven’t read enough Hellblazer to have that good a handle on it.

These seem to really indicate the age level of the average voter. Ben Reilly is a good character, Nightcrawler’s their favorite X-man, and teh Thunderbolts reveal tops Watchmen or Nixon as the evil mastermind.

How many people here were pubescents reading comics in the nineties?

The Ozymandias reveal was pretty easy to guess in Watchmen IMO. I don’t think it was meant to be a last page surprise anyway.

According to wikipedia, Porter drew 34 issues of JLA (with Morrisson and Waid).

Perez drew 10 issues. News to me.

In addition to the issues where he drew interiors, Perez was the cover artist for another large handful of that era’s JLA issues.

I’ll admit that the JLA artist one was a bit of an experiment on my part. I was curious to see what would happen when I asked a question that really actually HAD a “correct” answer, and then see if the voters picked the “correct” answer.

And as you see, they did not.

It doesn’t MATTER how many issues Perez or Porter or Dillin drew. The question isn’t who drew the longest run of JLA comics, it’s who was the ‘Definitive’ JLA artist. The definitive visual portrayal of the characters. Perez has a legitimate claim to that title, regardless of how many issues Dillin drew. The JLAers as drawn by Perez were in fact more distinctive and iconic than they were when drawn by Dillin, IMHO.

And before someone suggests that I only say this because I’m not the right age or whatever, let me clarify that Dillin’s JLA was the first JLA I ever read when I was a kid; I grew up with Dillin’s version of the JLA. But the Perez version was visually more definitive.

Honestly thought Xorn was a contender for no. 1 spot, but it placed really low. But I agree Thunderbolts deserves that spot.

Agree with people that Spider-Man should rank last on the % question.

Surprised that Nightcrawler beat Wolverine, but hey, good for him!

Good for Jarvis for ranking as high as he did, I was worried he was going to be stuck in single digits.

And I sympathize with folks arguing Perez didn’t do enough JLA, all I know is he’s the artist I think of for definitive JLA (for that matter, definitive DC) so he got my vote. The guy makes quite an impression.

I view ‘definitive artists’ like a word association game. If I give you the name of a character or team and ask you who is the first artist you think of, THAT’S the definitive artist.

I can see how Perez could be considered the definitive artist for JLA, but not for his work on JLA. If he deserves the title, it’s because of things like Crisis on Infinite Earth and the fact that Perez has gone out of his way to draw EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER in DC’s catalog. You might as well say Perez is the definitive artist on The Doom Patrol.

Great Hera! It’s ok Wonder Woman. You’re still not just my favorite League member, but my favorite comic character.

As a kid Perez was my favorite comics artist, and I was always excited on the rare occasions when he’d draw an issue of JLA — and disappointed when I’d pick up a beautiful Perez JLA cover and find simply adequate work by Don Heck inside. When he did his JLA work Perez was almost exclusively the Teen Titans artist, and it was a rare treat to see him doing something else.

But it was Dillin’s long tenure on the title that got me into JLA, and by extension into comics because (along with Garcia-Lopez’s work on DC Comics Presents) Satellite-era JLA was really my gateway drug into reading comics at all. It set the scene for everything I’d later discover.

Yes! Nightcrawler beat the highly overated Wolverine! I thought he had a good chance of winning after reading all the comments, but I was still worried.

I assumed from all the comments, though, that Spider-Man would come in last. I am so thrilled to see that he won. So I’m not the only one who voted for him.

I know this was only for one month, but there are still lots of great potential poll questions. You should start writing down all the good questions you can think of, Brian, and then do this again in December.

Regarding Ozzymandias, I would agree that it seemed quite clear that he was behind everything (and I was not spoiled). For me the great reveal there was the “Five minutes ago”. Couldn´t believe that someone got to do that thing in a comic book. No wonder Watchmen is a classic.

And regarding Nightcrawler love, I believe that he may be loved by comic audience, but he was not in the 90´s cartoon nor in 2 of the 3 X movies. Wolverine is by far a more popular character, but I kind of got tired of him because of overexposure.

Is Perez the definitive DC artist then? Infantino? Swan? Kane? Cardy?
That may be a good question for next year…

I’m sure part of the X-Men vote is Wolvereverything backlash, but even when I loooved Wolverine when I was 12, Kurt was my favorite.

And as for the Ozymandias reveal, in 1986 the hero-turns-heel trope was not so well worn as it is now. I remember it being a shock then, but now when I reread it or have students read it for the first time, it seems to be more apparent.

I’m sure he’d take Wonder Woman and Teen Titans without breaking a sweat, but I’d be curious to see if Perez could take out King Kirby as the definitive Avengers artist. My guess would be yes, but that would be one heated discussion.

I think that some of the answers depend on the interpretation of the question. For example, I didn’t really like Wolverine until the Kitty Pryde and Wolverine mini-series. Since the question listed the All New team, and not the team that was around when I became a Wolvie fan, I didn’t vote for him.

Also, I voted for which characters I liked / didn’t like in the JLA, not which characters I liked / didn’t like who happened to be the Big 7 members of the JLA.

As for Ozy, I think that at least part of it is what I call “metagaming.” You role players know the term as using out of character knowledge for your character. I mean it here using the reader’s knowledge of how this type of story usually progresses to create or discount otherwise legitimate clues. Nowadays it is quite the trope for the former hero to be the villan. But, at the time, the fact that Ozy was a good guy in the flashbacks gave him an out of character alibi.

It is kinda like watching What Lies Beneath (Warning, spoilers for a 9-year old movie) and discounting the possibility that Harrison Ford’s character could be the bad guy on the basis that he almost always plays the hero.

Theno

Hey Hangman Jury:
Flash was great when it kicked off. Baron is a stud. Guice is awesome. Mahlstedt is pretty cool too, but he was better inking GIffen. That’s all.

How did Hellblazer not win?

@buttler:

I strongly suspect Perez would take out Kirby as the definitive Avengers artist.

But John Buscema would give them both a run for their money (there, now the debate’s even more heated!).

“I’m sure he’d take Wonder Woman and Teen Titans without breaking a sweat, but I’d be curious to see if Perez could take out King Kirby as the definitive Avengers artist. My guess would be yes, but that would be one heated discussion.”

“I strongly suspect Perez would take out Kirby as the definitive Avengers artist.

But John Buscema would give them both a run for their money (there, now the debate’s even more heated!).”

Wow! That’d be a great pooll! I love them all, but John Buscema is at the top of my all-time favorites!

I mean, if ask about THE DEFINITIVE Avengers artist

1 – John Buscema
2 – Jack Kirby (right behind Buscema but way ahead of:
3 – George Perez

In retrospect, it seems like sales figures are the best predictor of where a title fell in the “best stories” poll. I agree that Hellblazer is the clear, actual winner there, but the explaination could be as simple as “more people read it, so more people voted for it.”

The surprise then is not that Hellblazer didn’t win; it’s that it beat the Flash.

Mind you, I love me some Neal Adams. And Al Milgrom … seems like a nice guy.

Nightcrawler ALWAYS beats Wolveirne in these polls. I figure it’s hard for people to claim such a popular, over-used character as a #1 favorite; people usually put Wolverine on their short list of favorite X-Men but they choose someone they feel they have a more personal connection with, someone who’s not loved by EVERYbody, as #1.

On the least favorite JLAer poll, the mean was 14.3% and the Standard Deviation was 11.9%. Wonder Woman got the closest to the “random” result at 15%. The only really meaningful result was poor Aquaman all the way out at 38%. While the 1,842 respondents were not randomly selected that is not a bad sample size considering the size of the direct market.

On the favorite JLAer poll, the mean was again 14.3%. However, the standard deviation was 8%. The most averagely beloved JLAer was The Flash. There were more significant results. Folks love them some Batman in the JLA. They also feel the most tepidly about Wonder Woman and Aquaman. The sample size was 27% smaller at 1,345.

So, we have learned that comic fans would rather rip things on the Internet than praise them. That means creators should pretty well ignore about a third of the negative comments. They come from folks that are never reading whatever they are critiquing anyway.

Also, Aquaman is easily the least popular member of the original JLA and that while most people like Wonder Woman just fine very few love her. That suggests the ‘Big 7′ Justice League could use another female member and the logical slot is Aquaman’s.

In other words, Bruce Timm did his market research prior launching his “Justice League” animated series.

Buttler:

Neal Adams… Man, I love hlm, but he draw just a few issues with the Avengers (five, maybe?), the Kree-Srull war. Not enough to make him a relevant artist for the series, like he did with Batman.

Neal Adams… Man, I love hlm, but he draw just a few issues with the Avengers (five, maybe?), the Kree-Srull war. Not enough to make him a relevant artist for the series, like he did with Batman.

So Neal Adams is to the Avengers as George Perez is to the Justice League. By which I mean, awesome.

Definitive is a tricky term. If you’re the artist on JLA, it’s a lot easier to provide definitive versions of Booster Gold, Ice, and Guy Gardner than it is to provide definitive versions of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman.

I went Crypt Keeper myself, but I’m really surprised at the low placement of the Old Witch from The Haunt of Fear. Also, poor Sunfire.

I’ve never seen so sad a thing as the people here getting worked up over the results of opinion poles. Aquaman is my favorite JLAer. I am not about to whine that others don’t seem to agree with me.

I envy your sheltered life. I’ve seen some sad things in my day.

FunkyGreenJerusalem

November 4, 2009 at 6:33 pm

This was a really fun ‘event’ Brian!

I’d love it if you did it again – preferably without a year long wait!

As far as the “favorite X-Man” question, I think word choice is really important with these things. The question wasn’t who we thought was the BEST character, but our favorite. When I see “who’s your favorite,” it makes me think of who I would most like to have a beer with, who would definitely be Nightcrawler, because (and I think we can all agree on this) Logan is a whiny little bitch.

FunkyGreenJerusalem

November 4, 2009 at 8:37 pm

I’ve never seen so sad a thing as the people here getting worked up over the results of opinion poles.

I can top that – people who posted in the comments of the polls about how they love a character so much they voted for him ten times.

That’s sad beyond sad – rigging an inconsequential opinion poll for the benefit (though I’m not sure what the benefit is) of a fictional character.

A character that I want to have a beer with in real life with can still be deadly boring in the context of fictional story. I’m not saying that is necessarily the case with Nightcrawler. Just saying that being a pleasant person isn’t something I value either way when thinking of favorite characters.

I know that many fans think of fictional characters as more like friends, to the point of getting pissed when bad things happen to their “friends.” That was never the case with me.

FunkyGreenJerusalem

November 4, 2009 at 10:15 pm

I know that many fans think of fictional characters as more like friends, to the point of getting pissed when bad things happen to their “friends.”

And man are they annoying to talk to!

“How many people here were pubescents reading comics in the nineties?”

Yes. Me, at least. How old are you again?

Oh, I voted Old Witch. That’s a bad showing!

Not much live for Dynaman being Hitler? That really is my all time favourite reveal. That one made me put the book down and grin!

Well, these were opinion polls, and I long ago stopped expecting people’s opinions to be tied to raw logic very much. Not that that’s a bad thing; comics are entertainment so gut reaction and how these things make/made people feel is just as fascinating to me as the mental cogitations they devote to them.

So, in my gut: I never acquired a particular fondness for J’on, and Ben became emotionally inextricable for me with the malaise of Clone Saga. To me the masterstroke of the Ozzy reveal wasn’t just that their peak-human-hero (putting him in the company of such as Batman and Captain America) was the villain, but that he carried out his master plan and *then* revealed it, in utter contradiction of all expectation. Double-whammy. Never read Hellblazer, haven’t read very much Flash; guess I’m not that hardcore, but I still get a vote so I voted what I knew. I’ll admit I have moments of ambivalence over Hal Jordan, but I dig Green Lantern doing the Green Lantern thing and always have. Whose art do I picture when I picture the League? Its Perez, it really is. Question wasn’t who’s the greatest butler ever, question was who’s MY fave…gut said Jarvis. Ditto Nightcrawler, though I was shocked Scott got that much love considering how much hate you usually hear for him. I heart Vampi.

Really cool that Cain was #2. Gald to see my vote went somewhere good.

Some guy said:
“1 – John Buscema
2 – Jack Kirby (right behind Buscema but way ahead of:
3 – George Perez”

I definitely agree that Buscema’s first run puts him at the top, even if that awful later run with the lame duck Gilgamesh-including cast pulls his average down a bit, but Perez isn’t “way” behind.
Kirby stuck around for a very short time. His presence at the very beginning keeps him on the “definitive” list, but his shot tenure keeps him from being “way” ahead, if you’re talking about any factors other than general Kirby awesomeness.

That’s right! Favorite reveal: Sin Eater in David’s Spec. Spider-Man.

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