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		<title>By: Nerd herd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nerd herd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 01:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me there is nothing wrong with it back then people didn&#039;t really think to much about it. It shows that Bruce felt dick was his son. And that was all. I have nothing against gays at all (actually I think it&#039;s okay to be gay) but back then very few people knew about a guy liking a guy or visa versa. Dick could be 10 or 12 (I&#039;m not sure if people even heard of pedophiles back then) But spanking teens and children(though adult spanking to me was more questionable to me that sounds like a fetish) was normal it even happened in schools back then. This is my opinion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me there is nothing wrong with it back then people didn&#8217;t really think to much about it. It shows that Bruce felt dick was his son. And that was all. I have nothing against gays at all (actually I think it&#8217;s okay to be gay) but back then very few people knew about a guy liking a guy or visa versa. Dick could be 10 or 12 (I&#8217;m not sure if people even heard of pedophiles back then) But spanking teens and children(though adult spanking to me was more questionable to me that sounds like a fetish) was normal it even happened in schools back then. This is my opinion</p>
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		<title>By: Drawn Gloomy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drawn Gloomy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 23:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened to Bruces other leg???</description>
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		<title>By: Nave Torment</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nave Torment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Usually I would agree with you but I also agree with you - the gay jokes are overdone. There&#039;s a less perverted explanation for those panels, and Robin wasn&#039;t exactly 12 any way. The relationship is clearly Platonic, didn&#039;t brats get spanked in the old days or something? Frank Miller&#039;s portrayal of the two in ALL-STAR explains a lot about the spanking a lot more clearly - it&#039;s not that Bruce was a pedophile, but that he was prone to beat the shit out of his sidekicks for crossing lines! 

As for the &quot;what about us&quot; hyperbole (classic) I&#039;m willing to bet my bowler hat that you really have taken it out of context. Come on! Wertham and all these homophobic interpretations clearly say more about the READER. I remember reading the same thing stuff as a kid and never caught sight of em until a certain grown up decided to POINT FINGERS AND MAKE IT CLEAR. No, I&#039;d rather let Wertham sustain his dignity by calling such an itnerpretation reader oriented - like a rorshach test if you may - that says more about the reader than about the author. In these post-modern times, who can&#039;t agree with that? There&#039;s no way any reader can fully establish what the author was trying to say -- chances are even the author him/herself has a loose grip on his/her unconscious mind any way, defining a &#039;true meaning of a text&#039; - it&#039;s IMPOSSIBLE. It&#039;s BEYOND REASON. In the end, it&#039;s just plain silly. I&#039;m willing to bet the same hat that there are many other ways to read these classics without adhering to homophobia!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usually I would agree with you but I also agree with you &#8211; the gay jokes are overdone. There&#8217;s a less perverted explanation for those panels, and Robin wasn&#8217;t exactly 12 any way. The relationship is clearly Platonic, didn&#8217;t brats get spanked in the old days or something? Frank Miller&#8217;s portrayal of the two in ALL-STAR explains a lot about the spanking a lot more clearly &#8211; it&#8217;s not that Bruce was a pedophile, but that he was prone to beat the shit out of his sidekicks for crossing lines! </p>
<p>As for the &#8220;what about us&#8221; hyperbole (classic) I&#8217;m willing to bet my bowler hat that you really have taken it out of context. Come on! Wertham and all these homophobic interpretations clearly say more about the READER. I remember reading the same thing stuff as a kid and never caught sight of em until a certain grown up decided to POINT FINGERS AND MAKE IT CLEAR. No, I&#8217;d rather let Wertham sustain his dignity by calling such an itnerpretation reader oriented &#8211; like a rorshach test if you may &#8211; that says more about the reader than about the author. In these post-modern times, who can&#8217;t agree with that? There&#8217;s no way any reader can fully establish what the author was trying to say &#8212; chances are even the author him/herself has a loose grip on his/her unconscious mind any way, defining a &#8216;true meaning of a text&#8217; &#8211; it&#8217;s IMPOSSIBLE. It&#8217;s BEYOND REASON. In the end, it&#8217;s just plain silly. I&#8217;m willing to bet the same hat that there are many other ways to read these classics without adhering to homophobia!</p>
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		<title>By: Going Post Crisis on Earth 616- Batman and Robin #1 Review &#124; J David Weter Dot Com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Going Post Crisis on Earth 616- Batman and Robin #1 Review &#124; J David Weter Dot Com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jherek Carnelian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jherek Carnelian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the British weekly comics I grew up with, characters such as Dennis the Menace (no relation to your US version) Beryl the Peril, Roger the Dodger, (see a pattern here?) the Bash St, Kids etc regularly ended their escapades with a spanking either from a parent or just as often from some other authority figure like a policeman, teacher or park keeper. It&#039;s no wonder S&amp;M is known as the English perversion. 

I think what&#039;s weird about the Batman panel above is that the relationship between the two males (without even considering the homoerotic undertones) is able to slip so easily from serious crime fighting to larky punishment games. We 21st century post-modern sophisticates cannot be blamed for wondering what exactly is the intended message in this medium. By the way I think the picture on the wall is an early Lichtenstein (from his blown up comic strip period) obviously Wayne has already developed the &#039;camp&#039; Pop Art sensibilities he would become known for later in his career. How ironic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the British weekly comics I grew up with, characters such as Dennis the Menace (no relation to your US version) Beryl the Peril, Roger the Dodger, (see a pattern here?) the Bash St, Kids etc regularly ended their escapades with a spanking either from a parent or just as often from some other authority figure like a policeman, teacher or park keeper. It&#8217;s no wonder S&amp;M is known as the English perversion. </p>
<p>I think what&#8217;s weird about the Batman panel above is that the relationship between the two males (without even considering the homoerotic undertones) is able to slip so easily from serious crime fighting to larky punishment games. We 21st century post-modern sophisticates cannot be blamed for wondering what exactly is the intended message in this medium. By the way I think the picture on the wall is an early Lichtenstein (from his blown up comic strip period) obviously Wayne has already developed the &#8216;camp&#8217; Pop Art sensibilities he would become known for later in his career. How ironic!</p>
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		<title>By: Thenodrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thenodrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read Seduction of the Innocent back in the 80s. As I recall, Wertham had good arguments, but also demonstrated a penchent for taking things out of context.

He also didn&#039;t consider the era of the comics he provided examples from. For example, he demonized comics printed in the 40s and 50s, or set during WWII that insulted the Japanese and Germans. Even as a Japanese, I found that odd. America was at war, of course the &quot;Japs&quot; were evil.

As T mentions, Wertham was very progressive and liberal. Unfortunately, he expected the static printed word to also progress and liberate as the time and culture changed.

Theno</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read Seduction of the Innocent back in the 80s. As I recall, Wertham had good arguments, but also demonstrated a penchent for taking things out of context.</p>
<p>He also didn&#8217;t consider the era of the comics he provided examples from. For example, he demonized comics printed in the 40s and 50s, or set during WWII that insulted the Japanese and Germans. Even as a Japanese, I found that odd. America was at war, of course the &#8220;Japs&#8221; were evil.</p>
<p>As T mentions, Wertham was very progressive and liberal. Unfortunately, he expected the static printed word to also progress and liberate as the time and culture changed.</p>
<p>Theno</p>
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		<title>By: T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me what was most interesting about Wertham is that a lot of what I saw him condemning is not all that different than the stuff many PC prigs on this site complain about.  He was very against sexism toward women and objectifying them, he was horrified by the rampant racial stereotyping, especially of Asians like in the WWII &quot;Jap&quot; stories and blacks in the vein of Eisner&#039;s Ebony White.  He was very progressive and liberal.  These are things people still complain about today both when reading the golden age works or when critiquing modern comic books.  Wertham was obviously a force in getting rid of many of those unsavory elements.  This is why it shocks me that so many fans aren&#039;t able to take a more balanced look at his legacy.  He definitely had his bad parts, but I think the case against him is too one-sided and gets tainted by &quot;winner&#039;s bias,&quot; meaning the pro-comics crowd dominant in pop culture today got to write the man&#039;s historical and cultural legacy.

Also, for superhero fans the guy was basically responsible for the resurgence of superheroes as a dominant genre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me what was most interesting about Wertham is that a lot of what I saw him condemning is not all that different than the stuff many PC prigs on this site complain about.  He was very against sexism toward women and objectifying them, he was horrified by the rampant racial stereotyping, especially of Asians like in the WWII &#8220;Jap&#8221; stories and blacks in the vein of Eisner&#8217;s Ebony White.  He was very progressive and liberal.  These are things people still complain about today both when reading the golden age works or when critiquing modern comic books.  Wertham was obviously a force in getting rid of many of those unsavory elements.  This is why it shocks me that so many fans aren&#8217;t able to take a more balanced look at his legacy.  He definitely had his bad parts, but I think the case against him is too one-sided and gets tainted by &#8220;winner&#8217;s bias,&#8221; meaning the pro-comics crowd dominant in pop culture today got to write the man&#8217;s historical and cultural legacy.</p>
<p>Also, for superhero fans the guy was basically responsible for the resurgence of superheroes as a dominant genre.</p>
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		<title>By: andyh40</title>
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		<dc:creator>andyh40</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our library had a copy of SOTI, so I was able to read the book 3 times. Some things, I have to say, Wertham hit on the money...other things were simply ludicrous!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our library had a copy of SOTI, so I was able to read the book 3 times. Some things, I have to say, Wertham hit on the money&#8230;other things were simply ludicrous!</p>
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		<title>By: T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me add though that from everything I read, Wertham himself did not want the witch hunt that ensued.  He simply wanted a ratings system and regulation in place on more unsavory violent, sexist and racist comics, not the near destruction of the industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me add though that from everything I read, Wertham himself did not want the witch hunt that ensued.  He simply wanted a ratings system and regulation in place on more unsavory violent, sexist and racist comics, not the near destruction of the industry.</p>
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		<title>By: T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never read Seduction of the Innocent in its entirety, but I will say the parts I have read were nowhere near as bad as detractors made it out to be.  In fact I&#039;d say many of Wertham&#039;s arguments were plausible and made sense.  The witch hunt that followed was still excessive though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never read Seduction of the Innocent in its entirety, but I will say the parts I have read were nowhere near as bad as detractors made it out to be.  In fact I&#8217;d say many of Wertham&#8217;s arguments were plausible and made sense.  The witch hunt that followed was still excessive though.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was able to read portions of it when in college but it was almost never available at the college library. Predictably, a lot of his arguments, and the logic and evidence he used to back them up, were highly dubious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was able to read portions of it when in college but it was almost never available at the college library. Predictably, a lot of his arguments, and the logic and evidence he used to back them up, were highly dubious.</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wesley Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Just a quick question. How many of you guys have read Seduction of the Innocent?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve tried to find it at a decent price, but for obvious reasons it hasn&#039;t been in print very much since the 1970s, and, ironically, the local library doesn&#039;t have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Just a quick question. How many of you guys have read Seduction of the Innocent?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried to find it at a decent price, but for obvious reasons it hasn&#8217;t been in print very much since the 1970s, and, ironically, the local library doesn&#8217;t have it.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a quick question. How many of you guys have read Seduction of the Innocent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick question. How many of you guys have read Seduction of the Innocent?</p>
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		<title>By: Danielle Leigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danielle Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how Bruce is all dressed up in a suit for the spanking...better than a smoking jacket I suppose...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how Bruce is all dressed up in a suit for the spanking&#8230;better than a smoking jacket I suppose&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Greg Burgas - Even better!</description>
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		<title>By: Nitz the Bloody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nitz the Bloody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, now we know that Frank Miller&#039;s All Star Batman isn&#039;t completely different from the source material...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, now we know that Frank Miller&#8217;s All Star Batman isn&#8217;t completely different from the source material&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: FunkyGreenJerusalem</title>
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		<dc:creator>FunkyGreenJerusalem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Either Robin has a malformed bum, or Bruce is pulling pants and open...</description>
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		<title>By: Greg Burgas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Burgas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corey: Nope.  It&#039;s completely ignored, so I have no idea if it&#039;s a window or a painting.  It&#039;s just ... there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corey: Nope.  It&#8217;s completely ignored, so I have no idea if it&#8217;s a window or a painting.  It&#8217;s just &#8230; there.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Classic.

Is there any explanation or acknowledgement in the story of the plane in the background? Or is that a painting hanging on the wall behind them, maybe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Classic.</p>
<p>Is there any explanation or acknowledgement in the story of the plane in the background? Or is that a painting hanging on the wall behind them, maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: FunkyGreenJerusalem</title>
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		<dc:creator>FunkyGreenJerusalem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love that the old DC books, despite only really getting funny when your looking back on them (ie. they weren&#039;t meant to be funny), all have their own sense of humour.
Old Superman strips have him acting like a dick, Batman one&#039;s have him being really creepy, and totally into Dick.

I vote for this being a regular feature!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that the old DC books, despite only really getting funny when your looking back on them (ie. they weren&#8217;t meant to be funny), all have their own sense of humour.<br />
Old Superman strips have him acting like a dick, Batman one&#8217;s have him being really creepy, and totally into Dick.</p>
<p>I vote for this being a regular feature!</p>
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