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Friday in the City of Domes
It was a 1967 novel that spawned two sequels, a big-budget Hollywood movie from a major studio, a television series, a line of toys, and four separate comics adaptations from four different publishers.
And yet, when you say “Logan” to a comics fan today, the assumption is that you must be talking about Wolverine. Fame is so fleeting.
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According to his creator, SF novelist William F. Nolan, Logan the Sandman began when Nolan was asked to lecture a college class in 1963. I’m guessing this was probably one of the first times anyone had seriously addressed the subject of science fiction in an academic setting, even just as a guest speaker. I think Robin Scott Wilson’s famous Clarion SF workshops were still five or six years away.
Anyway, at one point in the lecture, Nolan suggested that one way into a science fiction story was to take a common cliche and flip-flop it — i.e., instead of “Life begins at forty,” postulate a society where it is mandated that life ends at forty.
The idea wouldn’t go away, though, and Nolan scribbled a note to himself:
Do story of rebel cop in overpopulated world. 200 years from now. Mandatory early death via computer. Future police enforce death rule. Cop reaches death age, refuses to die, runs — using special knowledge of system to stay ahead of fellow cops who pursue him.
There it lay for a while. A couple of years later, Nolan kicked around the idea with his friend George Clayton Johnson, who thought it would make a great screenplay. Nolan agreed but thought the chances were better of selling it to Hollywood if they did it as a book first. Working in tandem, the two blew out a draft in three weeks that they were both pleased enough with to try bypassing the normal science fiction outlets and see if they couldn’t get it picked up by a major hardcover house.
The book impressed an editor at Dial Press (interestingly, it was a young fellow named E.L. Doctorow who would eventually go on to greater things) and Logan’s Run appeared in September of 1967.

It begins with Logan on his “Lastday,” feeling futile and useless and wanting to make some sort of lasting contribution to society. Logan is a DS (“Deep Sleep”) operative, a “sandman” that enforces the mandatory death at twenty-one of all citizens. He tracks down “runners,” people that try to flee rather than submit themselves to one of the many Sleep parlors scattered throughout the country. Very well, in order to make his mark and leave some sort of legacy, Logan decides he will pose as a runner and spend his last twenty-four hours tracking down the mysterious rebel underground that leads runners to a place called Sanctuary.
With that, the chase is on. Circumstances throw Logan together with a girl named Jessica who really is running, and he wins her trust after saving her life. Over the course of the twenty-four hour chase that follows, Logan finds himself both falling for Jessica and realizing that she is right — that he’s spent his entire life enforcing death sentences no one should ever have imposed. Following the rebel underground network Logan and Jessica travel all over the country via mazecars, a sort of super-subway system maintained by the Thinker, a supercomputer that runs the world. There are several spots where the Thinker’s network has fallen into disrepair and the runner underground has taken control — an underwater plankton processing facility on the Pacific Coast, the Cathedral District in L.A., a ruined Washington D.C., a prison facility in the Arctic — and Logan and Jessica are rocketed from one action set-piece to the next with barely a pause for breath as they thread the maze to Sanctuary, with Logan constantly having to either persuade the rebels he’s for real or fight his way through them, all as Logan’s former partner Francis is relentlessly tracking them down.
I’m really not doing it justice. The novel is a tour de force and it holds up very well today. Lowering the compulsory death age from forty to twenty-one allows Nolan and Johnson to construct a remarkable and compelling future society that was extrapolated from the youth-worship and microscopic attention span that was even then beginning to infect American culture. There are lots of wonderful throwaway bits — the glasshouses where desperate lonely people can hook up for a night of anonymous sex, the crystalline color-coded “life-clocks” implanted into the palm of the left hand of everyone at birth, the feral children living in the ruins of Cathedral, the mad cyborg Box that rules over the Arctic prison Hell. All done with the poetic flair and command of language that was just beginning to supplant the textbooky, expositional nuts-and-bolts engineering style that had dominated science fiction prose since the forties. It’s a remarkable literary tightrope walk — an exhortation to youth to respect history, but done in the very “new wave” style that the youthful SF fans of the day were embracing.
At the same time, Nolan and Johnson never forgot that at its core the story is an action premise — Logan is a cop turned criminal, and the book is a chase story that never lets up. Logan himself is designed amazingly well as an action hero — DS operatives are badder than Navy SEALS, trained in martial arts and packing a special gun with ammo that can be switched from Tangler to Ripper to Nitro to Vapor to Needler to Homer. The fight scenes are among the most gripping and visceral I’ve read in any action novel in any genre. Even the chapter headings are done as a countdown — starting with ten, then nine, eight, seven and so on down to zero.
Logan’s Run did generate some Hollywood interest, though the hardcover didn’t do all that well. Despite some great reviews, the book only appeared as a first printing of 5000 and there was no second edition from Dial.

The paperback edition proved to have legs, though, and eventually the book got picked up by MGM. A lot of different directors tried to crack the project — George Pal, Irwin Allen — but nobody really had a handle on how to preserve the spectacular action of the novel. Nolan and Johnson had done a screenplay but as is usual in Hollywood, no one really wanted to talk to the authors of the book about how it should be done. The project languished in development hell at MGM from 1968 to 1975.
Finally producer Saul David hit on the notion of compressing the action into one domed city. The undersea plankton processing plant could be under the city, and Box’s icy prison would be just above it, and old Washington could be just a day’s walk away from the dome. So a lot of expensive locations would be eliminated and the movie wouldn’t have to do all the setup and exposition of how the mazecars traveled from city to city and so on.
That was the plan that eventually was greenlit in 1975, and the movie went into production with a screenplay by David Zelag Goodman.

Logan’s Run premiered to mixed reviews in June of 1976 and went on to become a modest hit.
Despite that, Nolan and Johnson hated Goodman’s screenplay, and I have to admit they had reason to. The movie ends up being a classic example of the basic misunderstanding Hollywood usually brings to any book adaptation, but most especially to science fiction.

The major flaw in the movie is that they kept many of the action set pieces from the novel, but threw away the interior logic that held them together. No longer are Logan and Jessica following a rebel “underground railroad” from one stop to the next; the movie starts with that idea but inexplicably discards it about half an hour into the story, in favor of a more general (and far more cliche’d) escape into the ‘outside world.’

Likewise, the movie retains the novel’s scenes with the “New You Parlor,” the glasshouse, the killer cyborg Box and even the underwater plankton station, but they’re reshuffled from the book, ending up as weirdly compressed and pointless.


Director Michael Anderson ignored any opportunity for youth-culture critique inherent in the premise and instead insisted that the movie was “the classic story of Utopia, but with a catch.” Which led to probably the single biggest dumb change Goodman made in his screenplay, the re-imagining of Logan’s society as consisting entirely of shallow, silly hedonists, living in “a perfect world of total pleasure.” Those are about the least likely people imaginable to embrace the ideal of voluntary death at age 21 — or even at thirty, as the movie depicted — in order to achieve a greater good. Moreover, such people are even more unlikely to create and equip an organization like the super-efficient, highly-trained Sandmen to enforce that ideal.

That’s actually my biggest complaint with the film — Michael York is simply not convincing as Logan, the Sandman that’s tough enough and skilled enough to outrun and outfight all his former colleagues, especially the fanatical Francis. The relentless suspense that drove the novel is abandoned in favor of cliche after cliche — the goodness of nature versus the evils of technology, characters picking their way through twentieth-century ruins marveling at our odd customs, etc., etc. The final sequence, with Logan managing to disrupt and destroy the supercomputer that runs the domed city just by…. you know what? To this day, I’m not sure how the hell he does it. Logan’s been captured by DS, tied to a chair in a room full of consoles and just because Logan apparently, um… disagrees with the computer voice? Talks smack to it? — the whole city starts blowing up. The scene is so blatantly illogical that it mostly just leaves you baffled.

In fairness, it’s not all awful. As wrong as Michael York was for the hard-as-nails Logan, the casting of Jenny Agutter was exactly right. She’s damn near note-perfect as the emotional and idealistic Jessica.

And the movie looks incredible. It’s a visual feast, and absolutely deserved its Oscar win for special effects. The Carousel “renewal” scene doesn’t make that much sense but I have to admit that even by today’s post-Star Wars, CGI standards, it really looks kewl.

Anyway, despite being kind of a muddled mess, the film was a hit and MGM thought highly enough of it to license it out. The book got a new paperback printing from Bantam, and Marvel did a tie-in comic series as well.

That was my first encounter with Logan and his world. I’ve mentioned before that in the 1970s, I rarely got to see movies in the theatre, but I was all over the novelizations or comics adaptations of anything that looked cool. (This was also how I first discovered Star Trek, Fantastic Voyage, Planet of the Apes, Kung Fu with David Carradine, and countless other geek entertainments of the 60s and 70s.) My mother was rather strict about TV and movies but for whatever reason books and comics got a pass.
Anyway, I saw the Marvel comic on the stands and, knowing I’d probably never get to see the movie till it ran on network television, grabbed it.
And it really was a good comic. Writers Gerry Conway and David A. Kraft did a lot to try and cover the basic illogic of the movie screenplay, making several changes that streamlined and sharpened the action. And George Perez didn’t bother trying to capture the likeness of Michael York or any of the other actors, except in the most general way. This was all to the good — in the comics adaptation, York’s vaguely prissy portrayal of Logan was nowhere to be seen. Instead George Perez gives us a muscled, believable action hero. Moreover, teaming Perez with inker Klaus Janson was genius on someone’s part.

It ended up as a match made in comics heaven. Perez and Janson really knocked it out of the park, they brought such power and conviction to the job that I was instantly sold on the whole thing. It was that, coupled with Conway and Kraft’s smart scripts, that made me a fan.

Those were the days when movie adaptations were done in multiple parts — Logan’s Run was launched as an ongoing monthly, with the first few issues adapting the movie and then original stories would follow.

(This same strategy would later be repeated by Marvel with both Star Wars and Star Trek: The Motion Picture, but Logan came first.) It was definitely the right way to do it — this was a script that needed more space and exposition to be told properly, not less, and the serial comics form suited it a lot better.

In fact, I got so excited I ran out and bought the Bantam paperback after reading #2, because I just couldn’t wait for the next issue.

That was where I encountered the original novel and fell in completely in love with the story. I was still enjoying the comic, but even the Marvel version’s fixes weren’t enough to eclipse the awesome of the actual book as compared to the movie script’s interpretation.

What really whetted my appetite, though, was when the adaptation concluded in #5 and Marvel began doing original stories.

Sadly, Perez left the project, replaced by Tom Sutton. Sutton did a nice enough job, though the quality dipped some; it’s a bit unfair, I suppose, to hope that Tom Sutton and Terry Austin would be able to match what Perez and Janson had been doing.
On the other hand, the first post-adaptation original script from John Warner was everything I could have hoped for. He picked right up where the movie left off, with Logan having to cope with the angry citizenry of the city he’d just destroyed, people not the least bit grateful for being freed from the oppressive yoke of… well, having everything provided for them.

Best of all, Warner cleverly incorporated bits from the novel into his story, most notably the original six-chambered Sandman Gun with its varying functions. Klaus Janson was even back on the inks by #7 and I settled in for what I figured was going to be a great ride.
Unfortunately, the ride stopped before it started. #7 was the final issue of Logan’s Run from Marvel… canceled in mid-story, its cliffhanger forever unresolved. (For years I was sure that I’d somehow missed #8… I couldn’t believe Marvel would leave me hanging like that, they were usually so obsessed with tying up loose ends.) I even got excited a few years ago when I heard that a somewhat re-edited inventory story appeared in Bizarre Adventures #28, and immediately tracked down a copy, thinking AT LAST! …but it had nothing to do with what Warner had done.

Called “Huntsman,” it was a little flashback vignette about Logan and Francis in Sandman training. (The names were changed, of course, since technically Marvel no longer had the right to publish Logan’s Run comics, but you could easily tell who was who.) It was a nice enough story from Archie Goodwin and Michael Golden, but those of us who were hoping for some closure for the Warner story cliffhanger were disappointed. (Okay, it was probably just me, and yeah, I’m still bitter about it.)

Meanwhile, William F. Nolan was still invested in his creation. He was pitching Saul David and MGM on a sequel to Logan’s Run called Logan’s World, very much in the same spirit of what John Warner had been trying for Marvel; the plot was about Logan and Jessica trying to build a life for themselves in the ruins after the Thinker had been destroyed, and eventually pitted Logan against a group of other Sandmen determined to rebuild the supercomputer and reinstate the old system.

MGM didn’t bite, so Nolan did it as a novel instead. It’s not as focused as the first book but it’s still a great read.
Instead of the Logan’s World sequel film, MGM and Saul David sold the property to CBS as a weekly television series. It starred Gregory Harrison as Logan and Heather Menzies as Jessica.

Nolan initially did a draft of the pilot for this, and gave Logan and Jessica an android companion, Rem (played by Donald Moffat.) The idea was that they would wander around the Earth and have adventures in the ruins of the post-computerized paradise Logan had destroyed in the movie.


But suddenly Saul David was off the project and instead it went to Ivan Goff and Ben Roberts — the Charlie’s Angels guys. They had their own ideas on how to make a weekly series work, and Nolan walked off the show. Goff and Roberts did a rewrite, then Len Katzman did another rewrite to pad it out to a 90-minute movie, and the result was mostly a mess.

Basically Goff and Roberts’ changes were designed to dumb everything down and incorporate familiar elements from other TV shows. Instead of picking up where the movie left off, the TV show opened with a much sillier retelling of the movie story (incorporating as much of the MGM footage as was feasible) and then setting it up as an ongoing chase, with Logan and Jessica escaping from the domed city and venturing across the country, having a new adventure in a new post-holocaust community every week. The concept became sort of a landlocked Star Trek — each week, Logan, Jessica, and Rem would drive their hovercraft to a different little city-state of the ruined Earth, meet a new group of residents with some freaky cultural hangup, and solve their problem, whatever it might be. (Freeing the slaves, discrediting the cult leader, defeating the androids, whatever.) At the same time, the producers added the element of the determined Sandman Francis chasing the three of them in his own hovercraft, sworn to return them to the City of Domes for execution. (Like Lieutenant Gerard chasing The Fugitive, or Jack McGee chasing The Incredible Hulk.)

There were some pretty good episodes, and the actors did their best — Donald Moffat, especially, was a charmingly whimsical Rem. Showrunner Len Katzman at least recruited real SF writers to work on the series (D.C. Fontana, David Gerrold, and Harlan Ellison all did scripts for the show) but in the end it still came across as generic. There was no real attention paid to the fact that the premise simply didn’t make sense…. if all Logan and Jessica wanted to do was live their lives in peace, they could have settled in any one of the villages they saved from evil raiders or religious fanatics or whatever the menace of the week had been. Likewise there was never any explanation given for why Francis was so fiercely determined to bring them back for trial, especially once he too was out of the domed city and could see for himself how everyone had been lied to.
Even as a kid I could smell the deja vu that hung over the whole enterprise. I hung in there with it, but even I couldn’t get very invested… especially since I’d already seen Genesis II and Planet Earth and even Ark II. By the time Logan’s Run was on CBS in the fall of 1977, it was old hat. It lasted 13 episodes and the last few only aired in Britain. (If you are curious, it is available from Amazon as a video download, here.)
That didn’t stop the studio from merchandising the hell out of it, though. There were plans for a toy line, though I don’t think they got past the prototype stage.

Those prototypes command huge sums from collectors today, I gather.
And over in Britain, they took another swing at a Logan’s Run comic, this time one based on the TV show.

It ran as a two-page serial strip in Look-In magazine, and though I’m afraid I haven’t been able to track down who worked on it, the samples I’ve seen aren’t bad. The art looked a bit amateurish and it’s rather painfully obvious where the artist was lightboxing publicity stills, but story-wise it was passable.

Certainly it was as good as the TV series itself was — admittedly a low bar, but still, it was an okay strip. It ran a few months and that was that.
William Nolan went back to the well one last time in 1979, for Logan’s Search, published as a paperback original from Bantam.

It’s an okay book but this time there was a faint feeling of deja vu here as well. This time aliens transport Logan into a parallel world where the cities and Sandmen were not destroyed, and force him to re-enact his initial run again… apparently, just as a social experiment, or maybe because it’s what they do instead of watching TV. I can’t remember offhand, but I do remember the feeling of disappointment I had after reading it. That was the last we saw of Logan for a while.
However, I wasn’t the only comics fan out there who remembered Logan, especially the Logan of the books, with fondness. In 1990 Malibu and Barry Blair published a very faithful adaptation of the original novel as a six-part miniseries.

William Nolan even wrote a foreword for it. They followed it up with another six-parter adapting Logan’s World.

However, despite Blair and company’s heart clearly being in the right place, the art is so excruciatingly awful it hurts to look at the thing. It didn’t really make much of a splash despite Nolan’s enthusiastic support, and the effort got swallowed in the early 90s black-and-white glut.
Now, BlueWater Productions is poised to try again.

Once again, it’s being spearheaded by a fan of the novel. Paul Salamoff actually is collaborating with William Nolan in order to update a couple of plot points from the original story, and plans are at this point to adapt the whole trilogy.

There’s also talk of another big-budget movie, this time involving Nolan directly, and produced by Joel Silver.

The comic premieres in January 2010 and I wish them well. Certainly, I plan to check it out. I’m still rooting for a successful Logan’s Run comic… because even though the X-Men’s Logan is the more famous one, I’ve always thought this one is more interesting. If only someone would actually do it right. Yeah, I’m looking at you, BlueWater guys. Let’s hope the fourth time’s the charm.
See you next week.






28 Comments
Bright-Raven
November 28, 2009 at 7:35 am
RE: Clarion–
The Clarion Writer’s Workshop was indeed founded in 1968, but it has long been noted as an outgrowth of the MIlford Writer’s Conference / Workshop that Damon Knight and Judith Merrill set up in Pennsylvania which was first held a week after the 1956 WorldCon and boasted roughly thirty major and upcoming writers of the day. This later became Knight and wife Kate Wilhelm’s gig annually until the Clarion was formed, which they helped co-found with Robin Scott Wilson and became regular speakers / instructors.
I keep thinking SF had their own “Inklings” group ala Tolkien, Lewis, et. al. for fantasy fiction, started circa 1943-1949, in London, and I know Arthur Clarke was a student at King’s College London about that time, but I can’t find any corrobative evidence. Anyone remember anything about this? And no, I”m not talkingabout the British Interplanetary Society; that’s a science organization that Clarke was a chairman for, but they haven’t got anything to do with literature, per se.
Bright-Raven
November 28, 2009 at 7:39 am
Collaborative, not corrabative. Bleh.
Tom Fitzpatrick
November 28, 2009 at 8:10 am
“the casting of Jenny Agutter was exactly right. She’s damn near note-perfect as the emotional and idealistic Jessica.”
-not to mention sexy too. She also starred in “American Werewolf in London”
I recently enjoyed watching Logan’s Run, in a re-run a couple of months ago.
Considering when it was made, visually speaking, the movie was quite stunning.
I do believe the lamented late Farrah Fawcett-Majors made her acting debut in this film.
Cei-U!
November 28, 2009 at 8:42 am
“Logan’s Run” wasn’t Farrah’s first acting job. She’d been appearing on TV since 1969, notably as the sexy next-door neighbor on David Janssen’s “Harry O.” It wasn’t even her first movie (that was “Myra Breckenridge,” if memory serves).
Greg Hatcher
November 28, 2009 at 8:46 am
…Kurt beat me to it. I looked it up; it wasn’t Myra Breckinridge, that was the SECOND film. Farrah had some kind of a walk-on in Love Is a Funny Thing in 1969. But it’s nice to see someone else remembers Harry O.
Michael
November 28, 2009 at 8:47 am
Is the original novel still in print?
Greg Hatcher
November 28, 2009 at 8:57 am
I was going to just say ‘of course’ and then I thought to look. Surprisingly — well, *I* was surprised– it’s not. But Amazon has a couple available used, here, for pretty cheap.
I’m amazed. Now I find looking around on a couple of dealer sites that the original Bantam editions of the sequels are going for huge bucks. Even my paperback omnibus edition of all three novels is going for around thirty. Actually, mine looks to be in better shape than the ones going for thirty.
If the new Joel Silver movie gets made they’ll all be back in print in a big hurry but for now it’s the dealers, I’m afraid.
Michael
November 28, 2009 at 9:23 am
Eh, no worries. I can probably find a decent version at the used bookstore by my folks’ over the holidays.
Edo Bosnar
November 28, 2009 at 10:04 am
My first exposure to Logan’s Run was that frankly pretty lousy Harrison/Menzies TV series. I was only about 9/10 years old at the time, but I still remember thinking it wasn’t much better than some of those Saturday morning SF dramas (like that one you mentioned, Ark II). So I never gave it much thought until I saw scans of some pages of Marvel’s comic on a blog a few years back – and I’m still going back & forth on whether or not to buy that.
Your review of the book(s) has definitely made me add them to my want list, but you’re right: even the mass market paperback editions from the 70s/80s aren’t exactly cheap (I mean less than $2/3 because I’m already paying through the nose to have them shipped to Europe). What really surprised me is that it’s pretty much impossible to find any edition of Logan’s Search for less than $20. Ouch.
Bill Reed
November 28, 2009 at 11:21 am
I bought the original film sight unseen for a few bucks, figuring it’d be a kooky fun time. It was pretty awful, however, occasionally in a fun way, which isn’t quite what I was going for. I especially like the reflection of the camera crew on Box. Then, of course, Peter Ustinov shows up and acts circles around everybody, and pow! It’s over!
I’d quake in fear of Michael Bay remaking it, but he sort of already did, with The Island– which, yes, probably owes more to MST3K favorite The Clonus Horror, but there’s a lot of Logan’s Run in there, too.
RAB
November 28, 2009 at 11:24 am
Only the first issue from Marvel was scripted by Gerry Conway; the next four issues completing the movie adaptation were written by David Anthony Kraft.
I’d recommend those issues to any aspiring comic book creators, regardless of the subject matter: on a purely technical level, both Kraft and Perez used every storytelling trick available to them to fit a ton of dialogue and action into each page without it seeming dense or bogged down. It still reads at a snappy pace despite how much is crammed in there. If you can find it, it’s worth studying how they pulled it off.
Greg Hatcher
November 28, 2009 at 11:28 am
Ouch. I KNEW that, damn it. It flew right out of my head as I was typing though. Fixed now — thanks for catching it.
Steve Roby
November 28, 2009 at 11:49 am
I’ll give Bluewater’s comic a shot, but their Tom Corbett, Space Cadet revival is not very good at all, so I’ll keep my expectations low.
Incidentally, one of the early ebook experiments many years ago was Logan’s Return, a novella by William F. Nolan. I missed the ebook (the company wasn’t around for long), but Nolan also sold signed manuscript versions, and I got one of those. Dunno if it’s still available. 57 pages double-spaced, printed on one side, hole-punched, signed on the front page.
Omar Karindu
November 28, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Kraft and Perez also did, of all things, the Man-Wolf series in Creatures on the Loose and a couple of issues of Marvel Premiere. They’re not as good as the Logan’s Run comic, though, since…well, they’re about the Man-Wolf instead.
Mary Warner
November 28, 2009 at 12:33 pm
I didn’t realise Roscoe Lee Brown was in Logan’s Run. (I haven’t seen it since it was shown on TV right before the series started.) Did he play Box?
Greg Hatcher
November 28, 2009 at 12:56 pm
It’s out there. Bit rich for my blood…. all of them were signed, it was a special thing Nolan did for the fan association. Which means even the secondhand copies are priced way up there.
And yeah, Browne played Box. Not sure if he actually climbed into that rig or if it was just the voice work, but it was him.
Jack Norris
November 28, 2009 at 3:45 pm
From what I can remember about the Marvel series (I was also bummed that the continuation was cut off), the deal with the abrupt cancellation was that Marvel thought that they had more freedom with the rights than they actually did.
I remember reading somewhere (can’t remember for the life of me where, though) that as soon as MGM/Nolan/someone else in the rights/production chain saw that the story was being continued past Marvel’s basic licence to just adapt the film, lawyers were instructed to order them to stop, which they had to do.
Anyone else recall anything like this?
chad
November 28, 2009 at 3:51 pm
i actullly remember the tv show and to me it tried to keep the core though still thought i t could have been better and the movie besides jessica casting their take on trying to do box i though was some what okay. as for a new version one can only hope Joel and company try and do Logans run right finaly or a least have brian singer who was the last to plan to bring the thing to the big screen give them some input. but given the track record of Logans run when it comes to other media will not hold my breath
Sijo
November 28, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Wow, dude, look at the cover of the first Logan novel, it’s groooovy!
But seriously, I (barely) remember being baffled by covers on books like that in the 70s. Especially if they had nothing to do with the actual story.
The cover on the Malibu series, however, is just awful- Logan looks effeminate!
I know Logan only from the TV series- though I MAY have seen the York movie later on TV, I don’t remember well- but I remember being unclear on the whole premise: why did people have to die at a certain age? To avoid overpopulation? Because adults turn evil? What?
(Btw, I was reminded of Logan’s Run in, of all places, an episode of the Kids Next Door cartoon. Not only WERE adults (or at least some of them) evil oppressors of children, but the kids had to ritually erase the memory of any of their agents when they turned 13, and one agent disagrees and escapes, only to be hunted down by the others. Kinda creepy for a kid’s show.)
Adam Tyner
November 29, 2009 at 6:45 am
Yeah, he did. I was rewatching the movie on Blu-ray a week or two back, and there are a couple of angles where you can see his skin underneath the metallic exterior.
FunkyGreenJerusalem
November 29, 2009 at 4:29 pm
There’s a movie I watched once, set in a distopia of sorts, where youth are banned – basically no kids anywhere – until one couple have a baby, and try to hide it from everyone.
People start to find out (and want the baby), and so they go on the run, and the film ends with them crossing an ocean and starting again with their child on a new land.
I believe it came out before Logans Run – and the geeky joke at the time was that the kid grew up to become Logan!
(This would of course work better if I could remember the films name – I saw it a a pub that screens cult movies on tuesday night’s, and so I had a few whilst watching it so it,s a bit blurry – all I remember is the couple worked in a museum, and their job was to re-enact every day scenes from the 20th Century, and so every night they and another couple would have dinner together and talk about swinging. Truly).
RAB
November 29, 2009 at 5:20 pm
FGJ, is this the one? I never saw the film but remembered the title.
Basara
November 30, 2009 at 12:55 am
Frankly, I’d prefer it if Nolan had used the movie’s 30 for the age, instead of 21.
21 is too young for the Sandmen to be properly trained to be effective for more than a year; and by his lecture example age of 40, most would really be too old.
Other than that, I’ve always liked the stories, even the campy TV series. It’s just that the 21-year-old cut-off date gives me major suspension-of -disbelief issues.
Austrev
November 30, 2009 at 8:39 am
was that Z.P.G . -zero population growth? 1971-Oliver Reed & Geraldine Chaplin…?
FunkyGreenJerusalem
November 30, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Z.P.G is it!
Much like Logan’s, pretty campy and good for a laugh at the start, but you’ll fall asleep by the end when it gets all preachy.
That said, it doesn’t have the horror of Ustinov in it’s third act.
Ben Herman
November 30, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Is that a Jim Steranko cover on issue #6 of the Marvel series? It looks a lot like his work.
Greg Hatcher
November 30, 2009 at 10:18 pm
No, I believe that’s Paul Gulacy.
Eric
December 1, 2009 at 7:07 pm
For those of you who want to read the Logan books, but don’t want to buy them, try your local public library. If your local library doesn’t own them, ask them to do an interlibrary loan for you.
Cheers,
Eric