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		<title>By: Joe Rice</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/11/30/bruce-billy-and-family-creation/comment-page-1/#comment-756032</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but Supergirl was a Binder addition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but Supergirl was a Binder addition.</p>
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		<title>By: Major Retcon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Major Retcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Interestingly, he had a lot of friends, but they were never &#039;family&#039; like Robin is to Batman, or Mary to Billy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What about Supergirl? I know they had a weird relationship, but she was family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Interestingly, he had a lot of friends, but they were never &#8216;family&#8217; like Robin is to Batman, or Mary to Billy.</p></blockquote>
<p>What about Supergirl? I know they had a weird relationship, but she was family.</p>
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		<title>By: FunkyGreenJerusalem</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/11/30/bruce-billy-and-family-creation/comment-page-1/#comment-755846</link>
		<dc:creator>FunkyGreenJerusalem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That orphan train continues, in modified form: Peter Parker, Matt Murdoch, not to mention those whose parents are killed after they put on the costume, like Tim Drake and Kyle Rayner.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There&#039;s a difference between those who being an orphan is an integral part of the character, and those who are orphans because a writer injected &#039;reality&#039; into their stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That orphan train continues, in modified form: Peter Parker, Matt Murdoch, not to mention those whose parents are killed after they put on the costume, like Tim Drake and Kyle Rayner.</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s a difference between those who being an orphan is an integral part of the character, and those who are orphans because a writer injected &#8216;reality&#8217; into their stories.</p>
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		<title>By: FunkyGreenJerusalem</title>
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		<dc:creator>FunkyGreenJerusalem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
I didn&#039;t really mention Superman because a) he never really clicked for me outside of Morrison&#039;s work and b) I kind of feel like all his family-building was after DC killed the Big Red Cheese and poached Binder, who then went on to duplicate a lot of his family ideas.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Unlike the other two, although Superman was an orphan, he did have an adopted family to raise him in a stable home, up until he was a grown up.
Interestingly, he had a lot of friends, but they were never &#039;family&#039; like Robin is to Batman, or Mary to Billy.</description>
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I didn&#8217;t really mention Superman because a) he never really clicked for me outside of Morrison&#8217;s work and b) I kind of feel like all his family-building was after DC killed the Big Red Cheese and poached Binder, who then went on to duplicate a lot of his family ideas.
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<p>Unlike the other two, although Superman was an orphan, he did have an adopted family to raise him in a stable home, up until he was a grown up.<br />
Interestingly, he had a lot of friends, but they were never &#8216;family&#8217; like Robin is to Batman, or Mary to Billy.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting about Batman that this Bat-family has accreted around Batman over the years, largely for marketing reasons, when the character he was originally based on/ripped off from, the Shadow, had his network of operatives built into the root of his mythos. 

(I was really trying to find a word other than &quot;mythos&quot; to end that sentence, since I realised I don&#039;t really know what it means. Oh well).

Side note: Batman is my favourite comic character, and I have very little interest in anything involving his &quot;family&quot; beyond Commisioner Gordon and Alfred. Carrie Kelly and Damian are my two favourite Robins. I usually find that Dick Jason and Tim add very little to the stories I like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting about Batman that this Bat-family has accreted around Batman over the years, largely for marketing reasons, when the character he was originally based on/ripped off from, the Shadow, had his network of operatives built into the root of his mythos. </p>
<p>(I was really trying to find a word other than &#8220;mythos&#8221; to end that sentence, since I realised I don&#8217;t really know what it means. Oh well).</p>
<p>Side note: Batman is my favourite comic character, and I have very little interest in anything involving his &#8220;family&#8221; beyond Commisioner Gordon and Alfred. Carrie Kelly and Damian are my two favourite Robins. I usually find that Dick Jason and Tim add very little to the stories I like.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Rice</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/11/30/bruce-billy-and-family-creation/comment-page-1/#comment-755672</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t really mention Superman because a) he never really clicked for me outside of Morrison&#039;s work and b) I kind of feel like all his family-building was after DC killed the Big Red Cheese and poached Binder, who then went on to duplicate a lot of his family ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t really mention Superman because a) he never really clicked for me outside of Morrison&#8217;s work and b) I kind of feel like all his family-building was after DC killed the Big Red Cheese and poached Binder, who then went on to duplicate a lot of his family ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark McDermott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark McDermott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superman was very big on the orphan front, too: he lost his entire home planet. Then his parents died while he was an adolescent (and this was the established back story until the Post-Crisis reboot). His established network of friends, cousins, Kandorian doubles, &quot;LL&quot; girlfriends, co-workers and Super-Pets was referred to as the &quot;Superman Family&quot; as far back as the early 60&#039;s. Though a Batman annual of the same period had a nice Bob Kane studio pin-up of the original Bat-Family, with Ace, Batwoman, Bat-girl, Bat-Mite, etc.

Orphans were never more popular as protagonists as they were in the 1930&#039;s, (Little orphan Annie, anyone). In the Depression, many families were uprooted and even scatted to the four winds. Thousands of children whose parents couldn&#039;t feed them were put on the &quot;orphan trains&quot; and sent to the farm fields, mostly to be &quot;adopted&quot; as workers.

That orphan train continues, in modified form: Peter Parker, Matt Murdoch, not to mention those whose parents are killed after they put on the costume, like Tim Drake and Kyle Rayner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superman was very big on the orphan front, too: he lost his entire home planet. Then his parents died while he was an adolescent (and this was the established back story until the Post-Crisis reboot). His established network of friends, cousins, Kandorian doubles, &#8220;LL&#8221; girlfriends, co-workers and Super-Pets was referred to as the &#8220;Superman Family&#8221; as far back as the early 60&#8242;s. Though a Batman annual of the same period had a nice Bob Kane studio pin-up of the original Bat-Family, with Ace, Batwoman, Bat-girl, Bat-Mite, etc.</p>
<p>Orphans were never more popular as protagonists as they were in the 1930&#8242;s, (Little orphan Annie, anyone). In the Depression, many families were uprooted and even scatted to the four winds. Thousands of children whose parents couldn&#8217;t feed them were put on the &#8220;orphan trains&#8221; and sent to the farm fields, mostly to be &#8220;adopted&#8221; as workers.</p>
<p>That orphan train continues, in modified form: Peter Parker, Matt Murdoch, not to mention those whose parents are killed after they put on the costume, like Tim Drake and Kyle Rayner.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of my favorite aspects of Bruce Wayne/Batman (my favorite character) that he is in one way seen as pushing people away, and he does, but he still ends up with his bat-family, because he needs them and because they need him.  I always liked this element as it&#039;s developed over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of my favorite aspects of Bruce Wayne/Batman (my favorite character) that he is in one way seen as pushing people away, and he does, but he still ends up with his bat-family, because he needs them and because they need him.  I always liked this element as it&#8217;s developed over time.</p>
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		<title>By: Omar Karindu, with the power of SUPER-hypocrisy!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omar Karindu, with the power of SUPER-hypocrisy!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billy is also unusual in that he&#039;s an orphan child who both needs and becomes a father figure himself.  While this was literalized by Jerry Ordway -- his Cap was described in-story as a ringer for Billy&#039;s late father -- it was of course there in even the codename of Captain Marvel, Jr.  And Jr.&#039;s civilian ID as Freddy Freeman was, if I remember rightly, older than Billy at the same time.  There&#039;s a lot there about family and about the fluidity of interdependence among kids separated from their parents.

Batmanj eventually arrived at some of this, but it took decades for Alfred to shift from comic relief to noble valet and finally, sometime in the 1980s, to surrogate father.  And even as that was happening, Bruce was written away from his original fatherly role for the Robins, so it arguably took Grant Morrison and Paul Dini writing the comics to really get where the Marvel Family were at their formation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy is also unusual in that he&#8217;s an orphan child who both needs and becomes a father figure himself.  While this was literalized by Jerry Ordway &#8212; his Cap was described in-story as a ringer for Billy&#8217;s late father &#8212; it was of course there in even the codename of Captain Marvel, Jr.  And Jr.&#8217;s civilian ID as Freddy Freeman was, if I remember rightly, older than Billy at the same time.  There&#8217;s a lot there about family and about the fluidity of interdependence among kids separated from their parents.</p>
<p>Batmanj eventually arrived at some of this, but it took decades for Alfred to shift from comic relief to noble valet and finally, sometime in the 1980s, to surrogate father.  And even as that was happening, Bruce was written away from his original fatherly role for the Robins, so it arguably took Grant Morrison and Paul Dini writing the comics to really get where the Marvel Family were at their formation.</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wesley Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always thought it ironic that comicdom&#039;s most famous &quot;loner&quot; in fact has the largest network of partners, proteges and support staff. And more importantly, Batman as a character needs these characters (at least since Year One redefined the character) to ground him. They are his tethers to reality</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always thought it ironic that comicdom&#8217;s most famous &#8220;loner&#8221; in fact has the largest network of partners, proteges and support staff. And more importantly, Batman as a character needs these characters (at least since Year One redefined the character) to ground him. They are his tethers to reality</p>
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		<title>By: FunkyGreenJerusalem</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/11/30/bruce-billy-and-family-creation/comment-page-1/#comment-755567</link>
		<dc:creator>FunkyGreenJerusalem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Thankfully, we don&#039;t run the risk of some shitty writer screwing it all up after we build it all.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;d be pretty pissed if some writer tried to inject &#039;reality&#039; into my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Thankfully, we don&#8217;t run the risk of some shitty writer screwing it all up after we build it all.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d be pretty pissed if some writer tried to inject &#8216;reality&#8217; into my life.</p>
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		<title>By: buttler</title>
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		<dc:creator>buttler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always thought some criminal should go after Billy Batson convinced that he&#039;s Robin because of the thinly veiled alias &quot;Bat&#039;s son.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always thought some criminal should go after Billy Batson convinced that he&#8217;s Robin because of the thinly veiled alias &#8220;Bat&#8217;s son.&#8221;</p>
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