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When you put it that way, does it sounds bad for the Spidey fans...
Though I don't think that guy could say "we didn't complain during the Clone Saga" with a straight face.

I lol'ed, well played.

I met that Magneto guy on the boards recently - he's currently posting essays on Magneto in Tim Callahan's columns board.

And I wish it was like that Spider-Man guy claims and Spidey fans never complained - the clone saga started a year after I got into comics, and I've never heard them stop whinging since.

He came in alone.

All that's missing is an appearance by a Legion of Super Heroes fan.
And then have them run over by a a car.

I haven't been too thrilled with these recently, but this one was phenomenal! Keep it up.

Very true about Spider-Man. Only I quit Spidey after the "Who is the Hobgoblin?" saga. After two years(an eternity back then), it turned out to be....some guy. All the clues were pretty much red herrings.

That's largely because the editors said, "Fuck it, we're ending the story, and it's *throws dart* this guy."

Nice ending!

EEEEAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHH!!!

I gotta know...

Back in the EARTH X story, Jim Kruger posited that Magneto called his brotherhood "evil" to force Xavier to take the "good" side, thereby forcing a mutants-vs.-humans war. I'm probably not explaining it well, but the gist of it is that Magneto was using the "evil" term ironically.

So was THAT the origin of the "Magneto is really good" debate, or did it precede 1999?

Funny stuff. I don't remember too many Spidey fans complaining about Howard Mackie though. That was the one book he was actually pretty decent on. He was way better than Dezago or DeFalco, at least.

Re: Stefan Wenger -- fans complained plenty about Howard Mackie once he took over Amazing Spider-Man and Peter Parker: Spider-Man. I was there and the banter among fans was often more enjoyable than the actual books themselves.

His pre-1998 Spidey work wasn't bad though. But it's obvious he got spread thin when he took over Amazing as well.

Have a good day.
John Cage

Yeah, the sad thing is that he got the gig writing both books (although I believe he co-plotted the books, at least Amazing, with Byrne) BECAUSE of his strong work.

This post is useless without a reference to Power Girl's boobs.

now the nightmare for josh is getitng worse for now the spider man fan who takes the character to the extremes has come up wonder how long before the heat guy gets someone whinning about how batman is being treated or worse how wonder woman is getting the shaft they are multiplying and josh is caught in the middle by the designs of the writters of the critic

Yeah, any Spider-fan who claims not to have complained about any of the stories on that list is a damn filthy liar. Even I, picture of composure that I am, used to regularly jump up and down on Mackie's head every month.

It really is weird how quickly his writing went from perfectly decent to complete garbage. It just turned on a dime! And then years later, the same thing happened to Paul Jenkins. Is it Spider-Man’s fault? Does he make good writers go bad?

Ya know..2/3's of the way through, Clone Saga was great. I loved Reilly..and it was fun....but yeah the last third felt like a total cash grab...limping to its eventual death by acidic toxins....

I loved JMS' run....but yeah Osborn banging Gwen put him on the same level as the creepy old man pedophile on Family Guy....

The Magneto being good thing goes all the way back to New Mutants and the trial over in Uncanny X-Men....but still the best view on Erik had to be the take that Storm had on him in X-Men #25 when she is detailing the history of fights wit him to Jubilee (I think..)

"Beat him? He is the the one foe we never have defeated.."

I loved that line since at the time it showed the respect and fear all at once the X-Men had for Magneto.

Excellent punchline!!!

I think the Magneto issue, is all the slow burn to turn him between UXM 150 and his joining the x-men in 200 (including secret wars, which brought no X readers up to speed with nice mags) and then his run as head in New mutants with what seemed like genuine respect and concern, but still with a hard edge was just thrown out so X-men 1 could have a big name villian with the idea that he had been brainwashed as a baby, which would not explain his actions in his three meetings with the X-men prior to 150 and in 150 it's self where he sank a sub and destriyed a city. The key of this story is his realisation in nearly killing a young girl that he as become as bad as those who had killed his people.

Magneto is a strong villian, and in some ways stronger as villian then as hero, but he was a rare example of a turn working well for a big time villian (it would not for Doom ) so is flip back to the darkside needed more care.

Sean:

"Does Spider-Man make good writers go bad?"

Maybe that explains Bendis, too, then. He used to be able to write before he worked for Marvel. >:-)

Magneto is for dorks!

Maybe that explains Bendis, too, then. He used to be able to write before he worked for Marvel. >:-)

Considering that his best works are Daredevil, Alias and Powers which he did after he started writing USM that theory doesn't sound too likely.