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Top 100 Comic Book Storylines #65-61

Here are the next five storylines on the countdown, as voted on by you, the readers!! Here is the master list of all storylines featured so far.

(As usual, I’ll give you the results now and I’ll fill in the details later on!)

65. “No Man’s Land” by Various Writers (notably Greg Rucka and Devin Grayson) and Various Artists (Notably Alex Maleev and Dale Eaglesham) (Basically every Batman title that came out in 1999) – 160 points (1 first place vote)

The basic gist of No Man’s Land is that, following a devastating earthquake, the federal government determined that Gotham City’s infrastructure was so badly damanged that there was no way that the city could ever recover from the disaster, so rather than rebuild, they decided to give the citizens X amount of days to evacuate the city at which point the government had all the bridges to Gotham destroyed, leaving it completely cut off from the rest of the country.

Naturally, a large chunk of citizens did not get out in time (or could not afford to get out). Also, the various villains of Gotham felt that this was a perfect place for them to be, seeing as how there was no more official law in the city.

No OFFICIAL law, but a rag tag group of Gotham City cops stayed behind to help guard the city. Oh, and so did the Batman!

So followed a year’s worth of stories set in a Gotham where cops use bows and arrows because arrows can be replaced – where supervillains basically had fiefdoms – and where every citizen might have to fear for their life every other moment.

Oh, and this was also the storyline that gave the Bat-books the brand new Batgirl, Cassandra Cain! And also took away Sarah Essen, Commissioner Gordon’s wife. It also introduced Greg Rucka to the Bat-books, a role he would remain in for quite a few memorable years!

64. “The Elektra Saga” by Frank Miller and Klaus Janson (Daredevil #168, 174-182, 187-190) – 162 points (2 first place votes)

Elektra was introduced in the first issue of Daredevil fully written by Frank Miller, as a former “love of Matt Murdock’s life” in college who, after her father (a Greek ambassador)’s assassination, moved away from New York only to return years later as an assassin herself.

Throughout much of the next 14 issues Matt Murdock has to deal with Elektra’s return, both in his personal life as Matt Murdock (seeing his first real love again after years apart) and in his superhero life as Daredevil as Elektra was, you know, an assassin, and Daredevil doesn’t take kindly to assassins.

This duality came into play pretty early on, as the pair alternated between teaming up and fighting each other.

Things changed, however, when Elektra was chosen personally by Wilson Fisk, the Kingpin of Crime, to become his chief assassin.

Now she and Matt were definitively at odds – although when she was assigned to murder Foggy Nelson’s, Matt’s law partner (and former college roommate), she could not go through with it when Foggy recognized her, showing that there was still some good in her.

However, this epiphany did not last long, as her rival assassin, Bullseye, chose to prove himself to Kingpin by taking Elektra out, which he did, slicing her throat with a playing card and then stabbing her to death with her own sai (which were her weapons of choice).

Her death had a profound impact upon Matt, as did her later attempted resurrection by the ninja group, the Hand.

This was Miller’s first ongoing series as writer and artist, and it was quite impressive to see how adept he was at creating engaging, memorable characters with strong interpersonal relationships.

The great Klaus Janson began to share the art duties with Miller as the series went along (first just as inker, but as time went by, Janson would take over more and more of the art on the title).

63. “Year of the Bastard”/”The New Scum” by Warren Ellis, Darick Robertson and Rodney Ramos (Transmetropolitan #13-24) – 164 points (5 first place votes)

Transmetropolitan is the story of Spider Jerusalem, a noted “gonzo” journalist (a la Hunter S. Thompson) some time in the future who has effectively dropped out of society after signing a lucrative book deal. The only problem is that he never delivered on all the books in his contract, so now he has to come back to “The City” (the largest city on Earth) to become a journalist again to both support himself and collect material for the books.

He goes to work for his friend Mitchell Royce at The World, the largest newspaper in The City.

Along with his trusted aides Yelena Rossini and Channon Yarrow (who he affectionately refers to as his “filthy assistants”), Spider begins to plug in to the beat of The City once again after years away, and he starts doing what he does best – causing a ruckus!

The stories at issue here take place during the second year of the title (the book ran five years worth of stories), as Spider turns his eye to the Presidential Election, where he initially is wary of one candidate (known as “The Beast”) before he realizes that the OTHER candidate (known as “The Smiler”) is far more sinister of a foe.

The rest of the series is mostly devoted to Spider’s battle with The Smiler through their respective mode of weapon (the press in Spider’s case – the government in the Smiler’s case), but it is these two stories that form the basis of that battle, as “The Year of the Bastard” tells the tale of the campaign (as Spider comes to truly realize how evil the Smiler is, mostly through Spider’s ill-fated relationship with Smiler’s naive campaign manager) while “The New Scum” shows what happens when Spider’s efforts to keep The Smiler from winning fail.

Warren Ellis weaved a tight and complex narrative with Transmetropolitan, but the first year was mostly one-off stuff showing the character of The City and its people – it was with these stories that Ellis latched on to a central narrative, and a brilliant one that would drive the series for the rest of its run.

And I don’t need to tell you that Darick Robertson’s artwork was great, do I?

61 (tie). “House of M” by Brian Michael Bendis, Olivier Coipel and Tim Townsend (House of M #1-8) – 165 points (2 first place votes)

After the effects of Avengers: Disassembled, Wanda Maximoff, the Scarlet Witch, is being held by her father, Magneto, in the ruins of Genosha. Naturally, someone who just, well, you know, disassembled the Avengers (by way of killing off a few of them and destroying their home) was considered way too dangerous to just let the former leader of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants decide what to do with her, so the newly re-formed Avengers and the X-Men got together and decided to hash out a plan to deal with Wanda.

Some of the group felt that with someone this powerful and this unhinged, perhaps death was the only option. Most of the others disagreed vehemently. However, when news of their arrival in Genosha spread to Wanda’s family, she was pushed to warp reality once again.

This time, she changed the world so that rather than being persecuted, mutants were the ruling class of Earth, and Magneto was effectively the King of the United States. “The House of M” was literally The House of Magnus – the Royal Family, if you would.

What was particularly shocking was that, for a lot of people, this reality was a lot better than their old reality. Ms. Marvel was known as Captain Marvel, and she was really well-respected. Wolverine was the Head of SHIELD. Spider-Man was a famous celebrity with a beautiful wife named Gwen.

However, due to his memory issues, Wolverine remembers everything. So he slowly gets the gang back together again (and he learns that there is a Homo Sapien Resistance Movement, so it’s not like EVERYone is happier in this reality) and they take the fight to Magneto.

It is during this battle that Wanda freaks out once again and decides to “solve” the problem by eliminating ALL mutants in the world – only Doctor Strange’s magical powers kept a certain amount of mutants still mutants.

Olivier Coipel’s artwork in this series is amazing.

This was Brian Michael Bendis’ first major company-wide crossover, and it set the tone and style of the crossovers that followed (including the whole “mini-series to tie in rather than tying in the ongoing titles – I believe this was the first time this particular approach was taken with a company-wide crossover).

61 (tie). “Planet Hulk” by Greg Pak, Gary Frank, Aaron Lopresti and Carlo Pagulayan (Incredible Hulk Vol. 2 #92-105) – 165 points (2 first place votes)

Planet Hulk was an interesting idea for a storyline in that it tried to finally address the whole “Hulk just want to be left alone” idea. In Planet Hulk, the Illuminati (led by Reed Richards, Tony Stark and Doctor Strange) decided that it would be best if they finally DID put Hulk somewhere where he could be left alone. So they tricked him on to a spacecraft headed for a peaceful uninhabited planet.

Of course, this being a comic in need of a conflict, the spacecraft is damaged and Hulk instead lands on a planet practically ruled by gladiator conflict. Since the heroes were in the midst of the Civil War at this time, no one noticed what had happened to the Hulk’s ship, so he was basically left alone to fend for himself on a planet where he was not necessarily the strongest one there was.

Naturally, Hulk DID eventually prove himself to be the strongest one there was, working alongside a group of gladiators who became his friends and blood brothers.

Greg Pak did a very impressive job setting up this epic storyline slowly, and he did an especially cool piece of work developing Hulk’s “Warbound” compatriots.

The art was strong, from a number of different artists.

The story ends with a cliffhanger leading into the follow-up crossover, World War Hulk (as Hulk gets his revenge).

144 Comments

I’m pleasantly surprised to see “No Man’s Land” on the list. The story is not without it flaws. For example, the Huntress really should have died in the end. I say that not because I don’t like that character or appreciate gratuitous deaths, but because all of the foreshadowing within the story indicated that was the original plan. It got changed at the last minute, weakening the over-all impact of the story.

Still, it was an intriguing concept– to basically lock all of the Batman badguys in a room and see what happened. I didn’t expect the storyline would make this list, but it is responsible for my weekly Wednesday comic habit. I’d made sporadic visits to the comic shops before this story, but the regularity of at least one of the Bat-titles carrying the story coming out each week helped me discover the joys of Wednesdays.

Can’t understand why No Man’s Land placed higher than Knightfall… I’m guessing the Elektra saga is only this low because people’s Miller Daredevil votes went to Born Again, but I think this was the better storyline.

Speaking of No Man’s Land – this was around the time I quit buying Batman, so can anyone tell me if it was ever explained (in-story or otherwise) why Bats got rid of the classic black-on-yellow symbol and went back to the boringly functional Year One style costume?

read the no man’s land novel as enjoyable as it was the fact that it placed closed to the half way point indicates that the better Batman stuff are still to come (Year One anyone?)

I haven’t not read the saga of Elktra so I will keep my mouth shut.

It was inevitable that Transmet shows up. Year of the Bastard is definetly one of the best years. I’m curious to see if another will make it.

House of M was quite good. I really dig Olivier Coipel’s art. The art alone is almost enough to convince me to buy Siege! It’s one of the few occasions where I enjoyed a Bendis book, besides House of M and the Retro girl opening arc of Power’s there’s not much I like about the dude. Oh well, to each his own.

Planet Hulk was rather enjoyable. It was nice to see Hulk in space doing his thing. It was also nice to give slightly more direction to Hulk’s monthly. Will some Peter David Hulk or some Incredible Herc pop up Higher up on the list?
:D
23 read out of 40, barely keeping my head out of the water. Not in disagreement with anything on today’s list

House of M beat The Great Cow Race.

Urge to kill… rising…

Maybe because the bright yellow background to the bat symbol is a terrible idea to have on one’s costume when you do what Batman does.
Also it’s super ugly.

House of M placing better than No Man’s Land, Knightfall, and hell, even placing on this list, shows just how stupid people are.

No Man’s Land! I need to get around reading that, but isn’t it like 40 something issues or whatever?

Not a big fan Miller’s DD outside Born Again.

And hey, here’s a Transmet year. Because of its middle of the pack rank, there might be more.

Not only did someone vote for House of M, not only is in the high 60s, but two people loved it so much they thought it was the best story ever. I uh…I don’t know how to respond to that. Secret Invasion and Civil War appearing on this list would not surprise me now.

Planet Hulk is one of the few Hulk related things I like. With House of M showing up, it wouldn’t surprise me if World War Hulk decided to show up too. Seriously, House of M is on this list guys. L-O-L.

NEW TOTALS in a minute…

If you count all the NML-related stuff (Batman, Detective, Shadow of the Bat, Legends of the Dark Knight, Batman Chronicles, Nightwing, Azrael, Catwoman, Robin, and a few NML specials), No Man’s land was close to 100 issues.

House of M and Planet Hulk do not belong.

They weren’t terrible, but they also weren’t huge standouts that belong on a list like this.

No Man’s Land was better than it looked. You had to ignore its place in the larger continuity, but I am okay with that.

NEW TOTALS

Interesting notes – Ellis builds his lead, and the sudden appearence of House of M gives Bendis a boost. 2000s lead increases, as the 80s slowly writhe their hands together, waiting for the Claremont/Moore/Miller palooza to start.

-16 of these stories are Marvel-related

-15 of these stories are DC-related(6 from DC, 6 from Vertigo, and 3 from Wildstorm)

-28 of these are superhero stories, or close enough
-12 of these are non-superhero stories

-2000s(17 entries, 2130 points)
-1990s(11 entries, 1657 points)
-1980s(6 entries, 695 points)
-1970s(4 entries, 513 points)

By Writer:

-Ellis (4 entries, 563 points)
-Bendis (3 entries, 381 points)
-Brubaker (3 entries, 376 points)
-Moore (3 entries, 324 points)
-Morrison (2 entries, 249 points)
-Willingham (2 entries, 234 points)
-Buckingham (2 entries, 234 points)
-Sim (2 entries, 220 points)
-Ennis (2 entries, 208 points)
-Pak(1 entry, 165 points)
-Miller (1 entry, 162 points)
-Rucka(1 entry, 160 points)
-Grayson(1 entry, 160 points)
-Robinson (1 entry, 142 points)
-Dixon (1 entry, 142 points)
-Moenech (1 entry, 142 points)
-Aparo (1 entry, 142 points)
-Shooter (1 entry, 141 points)
-Stern (1 entry, 141 points)
-Michelinie (1 entry, 141 points)
-JMS (1 entry, 140 points)
-Starlin (1 entry, 140 points)
-Gaiman (1 entry, 139 points)
-Javier Grillo-Marxuach (1 entry, 131 points)
-D’n’A (1 entry, 131 points)
-Furman (1 entry, 131 points)
-Keith Grifen (1 entry, 131 points)
-Thomas (1 entry, 127 points)
-Vaughan (1 entry, 126 points)
-Fraction (1 entry, 115 points)
-J. Hernandez (1 entry, 110 points)
-Windsor-Smith (1 entry, 106 points)
-O’Neil (1 entry, 105 points)
-G. Hernandez (1 entry, 102 points)
-Smith (1 entry, 102 points)
-Ware (1 entry, 100 points)
-Rosa (1 entry, 100 points)

Maybe because the bright yellow background to the bat symbol is a terrible idea to have on one’s costume when you do what Batman does.
Also it’s super ugly.

‘what Batman does’ is be cool, and the yellow symbol was cooler. You are wrong.

I get Planet Hulk because really if you’re a Hulk fan what storyline are you going to vote for.

He suppose to be a sneaky, badass ninja. So having the bright ass colors like Naruto its no good.

I must be horrible out of sinc with the rest of the comic book reading world.

So far, out of the bottom 40 storylines, only three of them made my list of possible nominees (Knightfall, No Man’s Land and The Elektra Saga – although I had split that up into two distinct entries in my mind – First Story Line and Death/Resurrection) and nothing has cracked my top ten yet.

I think perhaps the Kree-Skrull War and the Korvac Saga should have made my list of nominees, but in all fairness, I never read either until fairly recently, and know more about them for all the other comics (and RPG materials) that referenced them, so I thought it wouldn’t be fair to consider them. And I think of Sandman as one giant storyline, so I didn’t break it up and add individual arcs to my list.

That said, I guess I”m too stuck in the 70s and 80s. The vast majority of my list comes from that era, and my top ten consists of six storylines from the 80s, one from the 70s, two from the 60s and one from the 90s (nothing less than eighteen years old). I guess I mostly equate great stories to how they affected me as a kid.

I wonder if even half my top ten will end up making this list.

I think Bats got his new look after the Knightfall storyline, which I think coincided with the Batman and Robin movie.

No Man’s Land really deserves a mention for being the most organic idea for a crossover, ever. Sure, there were facets of it that were a bit stupid, but the actual core of the story is very much grounded in reality, and unlike most crossovers, the writers didn’t have to create various reasons for other characters to get involved. If you lived in Gotham, this affected you; simple as that.

And they even went the extra mile, and explained why non-Bat family characters stayed out of it, for the most part.

Plus, you know, Cassie Cain and all.

I like that House of M is on this list, just to see the impotent shrieks of nerd rage. No one’s even bothered to explain why they think it shouldn’t be on the list; people are just taking it for granted that anyone with “good taste” wouldn’t approve. It’s fun to watch.

Omar Karindu, with the power of SUPER-hypocrisy!

December 4, 2009 at 7:45 am

House of M is a deeply flawed story for two simple reasons: 1) it wastes the bulk of its running time giving us the continuity-porn details of yet another “alternate world” which will vanish at the story’s end; and, 2) Every major plot development hinges on one or another deus ex machina character to the point that, really, the story is about waiting for Wanda to show up and do something as she’s the only character besides Layla whose actions “count” in plot terms.

It’s poorly structured, poorly paced, and overstuffed with material irrelevant even by the standards of the superhero genre.

I guess I mostly equate great stories to how they affected me as a kid.

I’m the same way. For me, a component of “favorite” was “stuff I’ve read a lot, again and again” which inevitably skewed my list towards the kind of stuff I read when I was younger, since I’ve had more time to read it repeatedly. Newer stuff that I like hasn’t had a chance to become a favorite because I haven’t had the time to return it repeatedly. Hence, there was a lot of 80s X-Men and Avengers stories on my top ten.

Nice to see NML. That was a storyline I dug back in the day, though it’s certainly not without its flaws. The novelization was quite good, too.

Not surprised to see the Elektra Saga, though a little surprised more people didn’t pick it. Born Again will do well.

Transmet is one of those embarrassing gaps in my comics reading. I have the first trade on my “to read” pile.

House of M…My first thought when I saw it on this list was “oh boy, people aren’t going to like this.”

And look, I’m not a Bendis hater. I generally like his stuff far more than most people on the internet. I love 70/80s Avengers, but I still enjoy some of Bendis’ Avengers stuff. And what I don’t like, my dissatisfaction with it isn’t enough to make me foam at the mouth about it. But I’m surprised to see House of M make this list. It’s not without it’s charms, and alternate reality stories are always fun (I was considering Earth X for awhile) but yeesh, it really fizzled out at the end (like most of Marvel’s events that have to set up the next one) such that it didn’t even feel like a complete story by the end.

There must be a large group of readers who voted who never leave comments here, because I’ve never read any comments on this site that led me to believe its readers would put House of M on a list of best storylines. Quite the opposite, actually. And bear in mind, I don’t really CARE that it made the list (it’s just a list, after all), I’m just really SURPRISED.

Planet Hulk is also something of a surprise, just because it’s relatively new (but again, that’s a personal bias; I have a hard time considering anything relatively new as a favorite…it needs time to age to become a favorite) but I’ve heard nothing but good things about it. Another book in my “to read” pile.

I think No Man’s Land is my favorite of the massive Bat crossover events. The rest are mediocore in my mind.

Hard to believe House of M made it this high. I thought it was a disappointing mess of a story. I didn’t care much for Civil War or Secret Invasion. All good ideas that fizzled at the end.

I thought Planet Hulk was a great storyline, and love the trade.

No Man’s Land was good stuff. Some of the arcs within it weren’t very good, and the back half really floundered until the end ramped up, but it was a cool idea and overall executed amazingly well.

It’s funny though — during the mystery of who was Batgirl, I was absolutely positive it was Montoya, and then she ups and becomes a superhero several years later. Guess there’s just something about her.

The Crazed Spruce

December 4, 2009 at 8:09 am

I’ve read a grand total of two issues of Transmetropolitan. I liked it, but I never got the chance to pick up more issues. Beyond that and maybe a few random Batman issues, I haven’t read a single issue out of either of today’s entries. Definitely plan to look the trades up later, though.

The Crazed Spruce

December 4, 2009 at 8:11 am

I meant to say, “a few random Batman issues and the novellization of this storyline“. Sorry ’bout that.

Gonna be pissed if secret invasion makes it.House of M as in MEdiocre.

I guess this could be the day of crossovers. Although I guess Planet Hulk isn’t technically a crossover, it did feed into a few.

Is it me or is this list getting worse? I’m far more interested with the material at the lower numbers than this batch.

I read House of M and No Man’s Land (volume 5 in comics and the novel form) and they’re okay. But I consider that stuff to be Pulp. I like pulp fiction a lot but I’d never put it on a list to represent the best of the comic book medium.

I only read the first two trades of Transmet and they are wonderful. Hopefully I can continue with it.

Also, The Elektra Saga I’ve always found confusing. Isn’t it all of Miller’s Elektra appearances edited down into one mini series. So if I’ve read all of Miller’s DD then I can just skip this, right?

Hopefully we can get some Steve Ditko on this list. I did vote for him twice. Here’s hoping he’s in the top twenty.

Ah, NML was my numder one, so I’m thrilled to see it. I accept freely that it’s not the greatest story of all time, but I can rarely remember a story that kept me on bated breath for longer.

Tom Fitzpatrick

December 4, 2009 at 8:27 am

I’ve read all but Batman: No Man’s Land, so I cannot comment on that one.

I can believe that they all deserve a spot on the top 100 list.

Is it me or is this list getting worse?

As we get higher up, we get more mainstream and more modern stuff, just because a higher percentage of the voters have read them recently.

I’m going to laugh when Blackest Night shows up at like 25, and people start going crazy complaining about a modern crossover event that hasn’t finished yet appearing on the list.

I’m with Thok! NML was great at times (mostly Rucka stories) but House of M? And Planet Hulk had tons of possibility. I can’t think I’m the only one who wished Hulk had stayed on that planet for a few years instead of rushing into WWH.

Damn, my “read/not read” ratio just took a big hit; 15 of 40 now.

The only one on this list that I’ve read is “The Elektra Saga”, which doubtless deserves to be here.

“Planet Hulk” I also expected to show; it was a big critical and commercial success. I didn’t read it at the time, and for various reasons haven’t gotten around to it since.

Haven’t read the others. I do like Ellis, but “Transmetropolitan”, from what I’ve seen of it, isn’t for me.

“I’m going to laugh when Blackest Night shows up at like 25, and people start going crazy complaining about a modern crossover event that hasn’t finished yet appearing on the list.”

People might as well vote for it. If they’ve read any recent crossover before then they know what to expect. Everyone by this point already know if they love it or hate it so the end of the story shouldn’t really matter all that much. These kind of book’s aren’t predictable.

Heck, if people like Bendis and Coipel already then they should have just voted for Siege. Who cares if it hadn’t even started yet. Everyone knows what it’s going to look like and what will happen. That’s why it will sell. It fits in to people’s comfort zone.

Let me comiserate about NML for a bit…

I’m so glad to see No Man’s Land make the list. It wasn’t on my list, frankly because I didn’t think “events” neccesarily meant “storylines”. As NML was made up of many 2 to 4 issue stories, no specific ones would make my list, but I see the overall event (or series of events, as Cataclysm and Road to NML all pretty much flow together) as one of the most personaly influential in my comic reading habits and was instrumental in transforming the entire Bat-Line into something much more interesting than it had ever been before.

Back in ’99 I was in college, and had just started getting back into comics after a 5-6 year lay off during my teens. Kevin Smith was writing Daredevil, and that brought me back into a comic shop. While I still enjoy that story (probably more for the Quesada art at this point, but there’s no accounting for taste, eh?), it was back issues of the recently ended Cataclysm and current beginning of NML that got me to stick around. The short arcs made it easy to get complete stories inside the “event”, and a lot of the single issues stories were really excellent character pieces that fleshed out the environment and made the huge event much more human.

While both the writing and art could be inconsistant at times, the event introduced both the DCU and myself to some excellent writers and artists that had previously only worked in other media and independent comics. Writers like Greg Rucka and Ed Brubaker and Paul Dini. Their work in NML led me to check out such classics as Whiteout and Scene of the Crime and introduced me to a whole broader spectrum of genre and publishers. And some of those creators took that work in NML and spun it off into, what I believe, has been the best period of Bat-Books ever, with Rucka on ‘Tec, Brubaker’s work on Catwoman, Gotham Central, the addition of backup features in the books, Ed McGunness on Batman (even Larry Hamma couldn’t make me hate EdMcG)… While it unfortunately didn’t last as long as I would have hoped, I think creatively that period is by far the most original and best written period of Batman I’ve ever read.

The event itself was well paced as well, I think. It spun the original idea into a number of mysteries and storylines. The identity of Batgirl was probably the most talked about, but the whole build up to End Game and who was trying to take control of Gotham and why was really well done and tied the whole event together nicely. Add in the little things it did so well, introducing Harley Quinn into the DCU for example, and NML was, again IMO, about as perfect a year-long event as has ever been done.

And now having written all that, I really wish I had been able to put it on my list. I think there should have been more clarification in regards to events like this, that are made up of what I would consider, I think rightfully, individual story arcs. Can’t complain too much, though, I guess. At least it made it on the list.

So far only one of my votes made the list (Top 10), and several things that were on my shortlist, but i was wondering before i voted and never asked…does Age of Apocalypse count? or does that break one of the rules?

“No man`s Land” and “House of M” so high?!? On a list of the top ten storylines EVER? Elektra Saga so low? I DO hope people saved more votes for Born Again!

Mr. Cronin,

If Secret Invasion, Final Crisis or Infinite Crisis are going to show up, please stop the countdown before it happens.

Thanks a lot!

And I’m still waiting for the No Man’s Land videogame! That should be the follow up to Arkham…sorry. Fanboy tangent.

“It’s poorly structured, poorly paced, and overstuffed with material irrelevant even by the standards of the superhero genre.”

No arguments, really; I personally found it…really boring. I found Secret Invasion really boring, too. Civil War wasn’t boring, but it didn’t make a lick of sense…

And I’ve recently realized that Dark Avengers and Thunderbolts are the only Marvel titles I still follow, and since they’ll probably not at all resemble their present incarnations after Siege concludes, it’s more than likely I’ll end up dropping them, too. Dang.

CW I agree with you completely in terms of what NML created.

The period between NML and Murderer/Fugitive was a great period for Bat-books. Brubaker on Catwoman and Batman. Rucka on Detective. The Detective backups produced the only Winnick story I like, Josie Mac, and I like it a lot. Officer Down was okay but only when taking in to consideration how completely essential it is to Gotham Central. Plus, it was a crossover with 8 books in ONE month. How often has that happened?

Plus, Devin Grayson was doing her best work on Gotham Knights. And Chuck Dixon was doing what he did best one Nightwing, Robin, and Birds of Prey. Although BOP didn’t reach it’s peak until a few years later.

I even like the build up to Muderer in ‘Tec with Sasha. She had some great issue but it all got lost in one big confusing storyline.

Murderer/ Fugitive could have been good if it was just Rucka and Brubaker but it grew in to something it shouldn’t have been. Books that tied in felt forced and sometimes would just dedicate 6 pages to the M/F story where the rest of the issue would move the regular story line along. I guess it worked for the writers on their own books because they didn’t have to bring their own stories to a screeching halt but it created WAY too much filler for the readers.

House of M? I really can’t believe it. And with two first place votes, no less.

Where are the people who voted for it? Would they care to defend the run to all the people who’ve commented so far in astonishment that this is on here? Bueller? Bueller?

Haven’t read NML, but maybe I should.

The Elektra saga should be higher, but I expect Born Again to make the top 10 (if there’s any sense left in this world.)

Transmet should be much higher too.

Planet Hulk was fun. It’s certainly miles away from any top storyline list I’d make, but I think it’s fair enough to place it at 61.

House of M. Sheesh.

Can’t understand why No Man’s Land placed higher than Knightfall

Because it’s much better than Knightfall. Knightfall is one of the better Bat-Crossovers, but No Man’s Land is easily the best of the bunch.

I haven’t read Planet Hulk yet, but I’ve read all of the others so my ratio now stands at 33 read – 7 not read – and still none of my votes have turned up – and my votes are all fairly mainstream.

No Man’s Land – Fair enough. It’s the best Bat crossover by a mile.

The Electra Saga – Excellent stuff.

Transmetropolitan – IIRC this is two 3 issue arcs and 6 single issue stories. Sorry Brian, but you’re stretching the rules way too far for my tastes.

House of M – I did enjoy this book, but it’s not even in the top 100 Bendis stories let alone the top 100 stories.

“House of M is a deeply flawed story for two simple reasons: 1) it wastes the bulk of its running time giving us the continuity-porn details of yet another “alternate world” which will vanish at the story’s end; and, 2) Every major plot development hinges on one or another deus ex machina character to the point that, really, the story is about waiting for Wanda to show up and do something as she’s the only character besides Layla whose actions “count” in plot terms.”

Also, the protagonists (when you look at the story, really look at it, the people it’s really about are Magneto, Quicksilver and Wanda) are kept offstage for almost the entire story, while Bendis dithers around with the supporting cast because Marvel has marketed the story as an Avengers/X-Men event.

None of these should be “higher” than Y The Last Man, Iron Fist, and Morrison’s JLA.

i have a serious problem with the elektra saga being on here…

and not because it’s not amazing. frank miller’s original daredevil run (issues 168-191) is easily in my top 5 runs ever, and i think ranked 4th all-time when this website did a top 100 runs list. really, the run is near perfect. but that’s the thing, it’s a run. it’s one, completely cohesive, 24 issue story. trying to break it up based on which pages a certain character appeared on is not much different than voting for the “cassidy saga” of preacher, or anything else of that ilk. does this mean instead of voting for the judas contract, i could have voted for the “terra saga” and just included every page she appeared on from titans 28-44? or instead of voting for the x-men 129-137 as the dark phoenix saga, i could have just stipulated that i wanted to include every important phoenix panel from issues 101-137?

the “elektra saga” should not have been included in the rules because, first of all, there are 14 issues listed, and second of all, the 12 issue rule was only supposed to be broken if the storyline carried under one name, which this did not (unless you count “daredevil” as the name of the storyline). and by doing it this way, you get issue 182 (the first 1/3 of the punisher story), but not issues 183/84 that finished it. by doing it this way, you leave out issue 169, which was an important part of the “bullseye saga,” and you leave out issues 170-173, which are equally important parts of the “kingpin saga.” and, perhaps most criminally, you leave out issue 191, which might be the best final issue of a run ever (up there with animal man 26 and preacher 66, at least for me).

i understand the argument that by allowing it to be considered, you get it on the list, which is certainly no disservice. but actually, that is a disservice, because it’s not where it SHOULD be on the list, as many of the people that love it probably didn’t vote for it on the grounds of thinking it would be excluded. by having it show up at number 64, then people that haven’t read it might not think it’s that great, when really, if everyone knew they were allowed to vote for it, it might have made the top ten. at the very least it would have ranked several spots higher from the extra 6 or 7 points i would have given it.

seriously, this website did a list of the top 100 runs ever less than 2 years ago. the point of doing this list is because storylines are supposed to be different than runs. there’s no point in just re-honoring the stuff that already appeared on the previous list.

and yes, i plan on copying and pasting this argument again when animal man shows up–another one of my favorite runs ever that absolutely should not be broken down into anything less than issues 5-26.

No Man’s Land had a lot of great stuff, but on average it was not one of the best stories every IMHO.

Not being humble here, but House of M was terrible. And also not so much a story as a gimmick to change the status quo.

If anyone is not sure about, or hasn’t read No Man’s Land, I highly recommend the novelization version by Greg Rucka. It flows much better than the TPB’s, and tells a better story.

Then, if you liked it, read the trades, and they’ll be more like added features.

The transmetropolitan is probably the most storyline-like year of the series; the election arc informs everything that’s going on during those issues.

And as a hulk fan, I’ll say that if I was going to have included a hulk story, it would have been Future Imperfect over Planet Hulk every day and twice on sundays. And probably either the vegas period or the pantheon period next if I was going to include two hulk stories.

House of M is so high because of all the different computers Bendis used to vote for it.

No Man’s Land was one of the most intelligently written, nuanced crossover storylines ever to appear in a superhero book. Knightfall/Quest/End etc. was pure schlock. It was bad 90s eventsploitation, a shameless attempt to cash in on the success of The Death of Superman (which also stunk). Knightshlock had some moments of inexplicably bad writing. Lady Shiva KILLS a guy to set up some sparring partners for Bruce Wayne and he takes advantage of the opportunity without trying to set things straight and hold Shiva accountable for murder? Wha?

Daredevil: Elektra Saga was in my short list. I thought it was excellent, specially compared to the DD stories coming before it. If you buy the Miller-Janson trades, they have several stories while Miller was just artist and not the writer and those stories where very boring. As soon as #168 comes, the stories become great (although not the whole run is great, most of it is). Really good stuff.

I am very surprised House of M is on the list. I’ve heard so many bad reviews that I didn’t even consider reading it. Later, I found out that I had read a bit of it through Spider-man. It was so un-memorable when Spider-man was a celebrity that I was shocked I had those issues in my house.

If House of M was good, then there would be no such thing as bad.

So, retroactively trying to construct the list I missed submitting…

1. Animal Man: Origin of the Species
2. Animal Man Vol. 1
3. Animal Man; Deux Ex Machina
4. Maus
5. Moonshadow
6. A Life Force (The Will Eisner Quarterly)
7. Barefoot Gen Vol.1 (serialized, I believe, in Weekly Shonen Jump
8. Concrete: Think Like a Mountain
9. Cages by Dave McKean
10.Phoenix: Furture by Osamu Tezuka (serialized in COM)

Honorable Mention:
Sandman: A Game of You
any segment of Alan Moore’s Swamp Thing run

The first two of my votes to show up!

I’m pretty surprised to see NML make the list. I voted for it, but I figured it was one of those things that most people thought was trash. It originally came out during a period when I wasn’t buying any comics, but I managed to get all of the backissues over the course of a year or so. I don’t think I paid over $2 for any of them, and most were a buck or under. I thought it was a really entertaining, almost Elseworlds style, crossover. Batman stuck in an even more hellish version of Gotham than normal without any of his super buddies to swoop in and bail him out. That’s just plain fun if you ask me.

I also voted for Planet Hulk, which was the first time I ever really read more than an issue or two of the Hulk. I’ve re-read it numerous times in the past year or two. Great stuff, that then led into other great stuff like Incredible Herc.

It’s been a while since I’ve read Transmet, and I always remember the series more as a whole than as storylines, so none made my list. I had the same issues with Preacher and Y: The Last Man. Glad to see it made the list, though.

the “elektra saga” should not have been included in the rules because, first of all, there are 14 issues listed, and second of all, the 12 issue rule was only supposed to be broken if the storyline carried under one name, which this did not (unless you count “daredevil” as the name of the storyline). and by doing it this way, you get issue 182 (the first 1/3 of the punisher story), but not issues 183/84 that finished it. by doing it this way, you leave out issue 169, which was an important part of the “bullseye saga,” and you leave out issues 170-173, which are equally important parts of the “kingpin saga.” and, perhaps most criminally, you leave out issue 191, which might be the best final issue of a run ever (up there with animal man 26 and preacher 66, at least for me).

The issues featured are the ones featured in The Elektra Saga, the collection that made up, you know, the Elektra Saga, which would pretty clearly show that there is an “Elektra Saga,” because there WAS an Elektra Saga.

If they had never done “The Elektra Saga,” which collected the issues in “The Elektra Saga,” then I would see your point.

However, they DID do “The Elektra Saga,” so it pretty clearly fits under “Any titled storyline, no matter how long” rule.

The Elektra Saga (I didn’t think I said it enough in this post ;) ).

If you plan on buying NML trades, check the creative teams listed. I loved the first few months of the storyline, and I liked the last few. The comics that came out from around June to September ’99 were the weakest. Take those (mostly filler) books out, and you have a better story (a la the novelization).

Planet Hulk was a lot of fun.

Daniel, you have a valid point regarding the Elektra Saga. I will say, however, that the original reprints of the Miller material (later re-reprinted in the ’90s, the copies I have) were excerpted scenes from the Daredevil comics published under the name “Elektra Saga.” Again, I think you’re right, but this case has a valid reason for being listed the way it is.

Yeah, I have no problem if a series has been collected under a ‘storyline’ that wasn’t in the original serialization. That seems to be in the spirit of the rules. I might be remembering wrong, but wasn’t the Dark Phoenix Saga never actually listed as such in the original issues?

i’m not disputing the existence of a trade paperback entitled “the elektra saga,” i’m only disputing whether that trade ever should have existed. marvel only put it out because the trade market wasn’t what it is today and they didn’t realize they could just reprint miller’s entire run in trade form. marvel has never been the best at deciding what and how to reprint. and while i know the fact that the elektra saga is out of print is not indicative of anything (so is scrooge, korvac, and miracleman, afterall), it should say something that there is no demand whatsoever for it to be back in print. it’s simply not the way anyone would want to read that story. you can’t just cut out parts of the middle of a great story. and just because something exists in trade does not make it a storyline. that’s a slippery slope. what about starman: times past, preacher: ancient history, sandman: fables and reflections, jla: american dreams, etc. etc.

a good way to generally discern if something is a storyline is if it’s something you could give to a friend to read without having to give him anything else. you could give a friend the dark phoenix saga and have that be that. but would anyone, ever, under any circumstances give a friend daredevil issues 168, 174-182, and 187-190? no, of course not, you’d just give them the entire miller run. or maybe, maybe you’d give them 168-181, and then a second helping of 182-191 if they wanted to read more.

House of M?? People but this in their TEN BEST???? Somebody give these people some more comics to read.

No Man’s Land? Not outraged by any means, it was decent, but surprised.

I’m hoping Lust For Life beats out Year of the Bastard yet.

I didn’t think House Of M was THAT bad, but yes, I’m surprised that it made the list at all, much less that high. Diffierent strokes for different folks I guess. Still plenty of room to make up for it though…

I meant to ask this earlier, but is Jeremy the same person that’s posted the totals for previous top 100 lists? I’m pretty sure the person that did it before used a different name. Either way, I love that someone does it, so keep up the good work.

Yeesh, the way some of you talk about House of M, you’d think it was the worst comic book ever created.

I wonder if Transmet will show up again, or if any other Hulk stories would.

So we’re probably gonna see Civil War here somewhere.

Heh. That will be funny.

Havn’t read any of these, so I’m still at 6 read out of 35, and only one hit.

I’m currently reading the Elektra Saga though (apparently there is one) ;-)
I think it’s obviously better than whatever DD came before it as it breaks the mold of “supervillain wants to do something bad/ wants to hurt DD and DD stops him”. It also puts much weight on style, and does some stuff that was never done before, I suppose.

However, it definitely hasn’t dated well (as well as, say, Watchmen from just a few years later), As lots of the stuff there is pretty silly, and some of the narrative tools used seem pretty awkward today. So I guess I can understand why someone who’s read it in the early 80’s could put it as one of their 10 best, but I could never see it that way.

In defense of of House of M, and in support of what Bryan just said, it can’t be the worse comic ever because it’s on the list and not on the bottom of that list. I myself believe it’s one of the very few good things Bendis has written. I’ll admit it’s not the best and i’ll even admit it doesn’t necessarily “belong” on this list.
These are the reasons why I think it’s good :
1) Olivier Coipel = pretty art! :D
2) It got down the mutant population under control (which, after all, was the point)
3) Its just pure entertainment. For what the comic was meant to be, I think it did it well and in an entertaining way.

Does it belong on the list? I dunno, I didn’t vote for it (no where near my personal top ten) but it’s presence on the list doesn’t frazzle me. I’m pleasently surprised it made it but at the same time i’m thinking #100, which is Morrison’s opening arc of Doom Patrol (that was #100 right?) deserves to be higher and that’s just one example. I’m not againts it being on the list but I do not think it belongs this high.

I have to say, that overall, this list is really making me think about what a good storyline is for me. I guess that was the plan originaly, but I find that while making my top ten I wasn’t thinking of the best storylines ever but what the best storylines for me have been. This actualy caused conflict when I was trying to pick if I should put Longbow Hunters or Quiver as my top Green Arrow story on my list. Had a good time with that.

jazzbo: Nope, that was a user named “rene” I believe. I just saw that nobody was doing it, and decided “What the hell, why not”.

That’s right. Rene still posts around here, too. Thanks for picking up the ball with this list, though.

I didn’t vote for “planet Hulk” but it is a fun read. I think some people are mixing it up with its followup “worlwar Hulk” which started witha roar and went out with a whimper.

No Man’s Land:

It was a huge undertaking, and the Cataclysm storyline & Road to NML made that much more epic. i was working at a CS and could read every issue. When it started, i couldn’t get my head around the concept & didn’t like the art & really depressing tone. As it went on, i really bought into it and was fascinated with how people would have to live under those conditions. i agree with what Jazzbo said:
I thought it was a really entertaining, almost Elseworlds style, crossover. Batman stuck in an even more hellish version of Gotham than normal without any of his super buddies to swoop in and bail him out. That’s just plain fun if you ask me.

It was a fun ride to see how everyone’s lives changed, and the ending where Gotham gets brought back made some sense at least. i haven’t read the novel, but i might pick it up and read it.
DFTBA

I understand the crossover hate, but again, as a number of people have noted, it’s really just a matter of numbers. If 100,000 people read House of M and 10% think it’s amazing, that’s still twice the number of votes that go to Y the last man if 10,000 people read it and half think it’s one of the best.*

You could argue that a better measure of quality would be to ask “Of the people who’ve read this, what percentage would rank it among the best of all time?” but actually doing that on a website would be a logistical nightmare.

In short, relax, some mega-event love is inevitable; it’s not a divine final seal of approval. Though I concede that it is a little jarring to have 2 1/2 show up all in one post like this. (Planet Hulk is a mega-event, but not a crossover. It got more hype, and, I’d bet, more readers than any random 14 consecutive issues of the Hulk for quite some time.)

*Numbers totally made up for illustrative purposes.

Also: Transmet, yay. Interpreting my terms generously, we’ll call that 4/10 for me.

Good to see illiteracy still running strong.

Actually, while I’m biased, you can see that disparity I’m talking about illustrated above. NML, a crossover stemming from DC’s perennial bestseller, got only one first place vote, suggesting that while a lot of people read it and liked it, not many considered it THE best. Transmet, which had a tiny fraction of the sales of NML, got 5 first place votes, suggesting that while not many people read it, those that did had an inordinately positive response to it.

Ergo, Transmet is objectively better than everything else on this list.

Because I like it. :)

People, the countdown isn’t the “best” anything. Do you read? Its “favorite” story lines. Brian please confirm this, so I don’t have to read all these snarky comments. And no, House of M did not make my list.

No matter how good From Hell is, or Transmet, or Love and Rockets, many CBRers haven’t/don’t want to read those stories.

My tally so far is 11/40, out of the last 10 I’ve only read 1 (Elektra Saga). Hopefully I’ll pick up with the rest of the top 100.

The yellow oval on Batman’s costume is great from a design viewpoint. The black bat alone is just boring, and it’s never drawn consistently.

Though I didn’t vote for it, I liked House of M. I voted for a few other crossovers like it.

For me, voting was just that simple. If I liked it better than other stuff, and I remembered it better than other stuff, I voted for it. I’m sure lots of other people voted the same way. And at 850 people, those 9th and 10th-place votes really pile up.

Also, maybe its just me, but the quality of writing has increased by such leaps and bounds in the past decade that even “good” stuff that came before it seems dated, with the exception of the masters’ works (Miller, Moore, most Lee, etc.) I just picked up the Avengers/Defenders War, and if it was coming out today, I wouldn’t spend my money on it.

Look, if it was a critics’ list, I’m sure the top 10 would be filled with all sorts of Eisner-winning material. But it’s a fan list. And just like U2 and Justin Timberlake top year-end fan lists, so does repetitive superhero fare. But I love repetitive superhero fare, so yay for me.

I believe both Year of the Bastard and No Man’s Land made my list, so I’m very happy to see both make it.

It gives me hope that my #1 pick might actually make the list, though I’d be floored if it did.

That said, there are two people who think House of M is the greatest comic story of all time. Another two think Planet Hulk is. I do not think either story is bad as such, but these claims seem to me almost objectively wrong.

The No Man’s Land trades were actually some of the first comics I read. Much of it was quite good. It’s cool to see it on there.

House of M, though not exceptional by any means, wasn’t half as bad as Disassembled, Secret Invasion or the Civil War. It was workaday Bendis, but aside from that I don’t have anything bad to say about it.

Planet Hulk is a fair pick.

Man, this list is getting ugly; like something Wizard would produce.

So, has Mary read any of these, or not?
(Sorry)

I think we are going to see a lot of stuff that’s universally and critically panned but that was a big, popular event at the time. Hopefully it doesn’t break too many people when it happens, but judging by this, I’m certain it will. If HoM is in, Disassembled can’t be too far away, can it?

Not that I voted for House for M… I found it silly and pointless (by technically restoring some “status quo” that never existed anyway), and that’s coming from someone that can normally enjoy big events. At least we got Layla Miller out of it, but at the time she was just a big cop out sadly.

There are not 63 story-lines better than what Frank Miller did with Daredevil, but I’m using this list and the conversation thread to find comics to read that I have missed, and I hope people go back and read this for themselves. Miller changed the game of mainstream super hero writing so much with Daredevil that I can only imagine the people who don’t understand the backlash don’t understand the shift I and many others felt when we were reading it. It doesn’t age as well as some things, but I recently re-read the whole Miller run, and it’s not half bad, and I would put the Roulette comic with DD and Bullseye in the hospital room up against anything written in the last 25 years.

Of course, he wasn’t alone, as that was a golden time in writing that influenced everything after with a lot of great names, so when you see something that’s as derivative as House of M show up, well, I get the backlash.

“I have a serious problem with the elektra saga being on here”
Okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkay.

@ W. WIlson: Couldn’t agree more. HoM is a decent story that is no where near top ten material. I love that it’s there just to piss people off.
@Omar: Thanks for having reasons for you hatred of the story, though I disagree. I love alternate reality stories and most of the fun is seeing how everyone’s lives are different because one event changed. Plus I’m a huge Magneto fan. I can understand, however, why it might turn some people off.
@ Everyone else: Get over yourselves. Not everyone has to agree with you. If everyone agreed then there couldn’t be a top 100. Plus, if someone is new to comics and hasn’t been delving backissues then HoM is definitely a good choice from the last few years. It’s in the bottom half of the list. I’m sure the same old tired top picks will be there higher up. Dark Phoenix Saga will top the list, even though it wasn’t even in my top ten.

On something other than HoM, I’m surprised that The Elektra Saga made the list. I thought all the Miller fans would vote Born Again. Though that is certainly there later on the list.

I think Bob Gale deserves a mention as a notable No Man’s Land writer. His bits were the best.

Surprised to see the Elektra saga so low. I guess everybody voted for Born Again instead?

I don’t want to sound pretentious and claim that people who voted for House of M and Planet Hulk haven’t read enough comics, but, well…

Civil War is obviously still to come. One of the worst stories I’ve ever read. Personally significant for me as it was the breaking point which caused me drop my pull list at the comic store and stop buying superhero comics in single issues all together. Now I just buy trades, and carefully. (I almost stopped reading new superhero comics all together, but Annihilation and Brubaker managed to pull me back in)

Yep, this is the moment the whole thing takes a bad turn. I’m honestly surprised that people who would vote for House of M or Planet Hulk could think of 10 storylines to list.

Jesus, some of you people act like your children have been personally insulted. It’s a list about people’s favorite comic books. Get over it.

And if you’ve actually read Planet Hulk and think it’s so terrible that no one else should have conceivably voted for it, I don’t see how you have enough capacity for fun to enjoy comics at all. Go read a blog about Russian Literature or something.

Jesus, jazzbo, you sound like your children have been personally insulted.

I’ve read two issues of House Of M, #1 and 7. Judging from those two alone, it seems like a good enough story to me, although not a great one. Of course, with those two issues I missed all the alternate world stuff, which I tend to get bored with. I’ve been thinking of buying the rest. They are within my price range, but the only comic book store in this area is missing #8. I do think they really needed to do something to thin out the mutant population, which was really out of hand by that time. The mutant books weren’t fitting very well with the rest of the Marvel Universe (a common occurance since the ’80s, actually).

But what is more important here is that I HAVE READ the Electra Saga!!!! (Take that, Jack Norris!!! I’ve also read a couple of Defenders stories with you in them, so don’t think that I don’t know who you are.) I have four issues of it, and I’ve read the rest in the Visionaries volumes from the library. The local library doesn’t have very many comics, but it does have those. I didn’t vote for it, though.
I really glad to finally see something on here that I’ve read more than a tiny bit of.
I’m not sure if any of my picks are going to show up, but I do think three or four of them might have a chance.

@Dwright~ I read the Elektra Saga for the first time whenever the released those Miller Visionaries trades around 9 or so years ago. It’s often hard to sit down and read things you’ve heard so often are supposed to be “the best thing” ever, because you’re not just reading it, you’re looking for it to prove itself.

And it didn’t at a read. It was very good, very powerful, very well-written. But it just read like a standard superhero comic to me, albeit a very well-crafted version of a story I’d read repeatedly since. It’s taken much more comic reading on my part to realize that it reads like a well-crafted version of almost every superhero story since then and nothing like anything that came before it.

Looking at the scope of superhero history, you can pick out just a few things that affect everything that follows. Action Comics, Detective Comics, Fantastic Four, Amazing Spider-Man, Miller’s Daredevil…

Truly a masterwork and I’m surprised to see it so low (especially after Miller’s entire run placed 4th on the greatest runs list)

That said, it didn’t make my list either.

@Mary- If you’ve only read one story on the list so far, the Elektra Saga isn’t a bad one at all. (If I had to suggest only one, I’d go with either that or Swamp Thing)

And anybody who can appreciate Defenders (we are talking Gerber or Dematteis?) is enough of a superhero comic fan in my book.

I have to say i’m actualy suprised that none of Millar’s stuff has popped up yet. I’m not a fan of him myself but the guy does sell some books.
Does anybody else think we’ll see him anytime soon? Or will he be higher up on the list? I know thoughts and comments on Civil War have been thrown around a lot…

Agreed that the list is getting worse (from the perspective of my tastes), and my percentage continues to drop. (18 of 40) Interesting to see the praise for No Man’s Land. I stopped reading Batman soon before that, partly because I was getting tired of the crossovers, and was pining for Grant/Breyfogle. Might have to check it out some time. Won’t argue with Elektra, though the definitional aspect of what constitutes a “storyline” was bound to create controversy at some point on the list. I sympathize with the disrespect for the Marvel “event” stories, which is why I haven’t read any of them!

I am pretty sure Millar will show up. Since House of M is here, I would expect Civil War to be here too, so Millar will appear there. In the case that Civil War won’t appear, Superman: Red Son will most likely appear (it was in my top 10 list, so I am biased). Other stuff that he did that could show up is Ultimates and Wanted. Ultimates has a good shot to appear in my opinion.

“Does anybody else think we’ll see him anytime soon?”

For Millar, if he’s got anything on this list, I’m guessing it would either be some part of (or all of) “The Ultimates” (my favourite was the last arc, ‘Grand Theft America’), or “Superman: Red Son” (probably his best overall work in my estimation). “The Ultimates” placed on the Top 100 runs list, so it’s got some fans.

It’s conceivable “Civil War” could too, of course; they sold about 300,000 copies an issue, after all.

Personal stats so far:
I:
have read the entirety of: 26/40 of these.
have read part of: 5/40 of these
have read none of that story, but have read other parts of the creator’s run: 6/40
have not read any of the run: 3/40

I got bored reading Cerebus halfway through Book 1, which is a decent chunk of the problem. I own the first 15 volumes so I’ll get around to reading more someday.

Love & Rockets is the other big part of the problem. I bought the giant hardcovers, which was a mistake as they’re cumbersome and that has delayed my finishing of them, and I’m yet to get to the stories mentioned here.

The entirety of Starman has never been in print in trade at once, so I blame DC for that. When they finish the Omnibi, I’ll check it out.

The rest of the problem is that I hate Warren Ellis. So I only gave Thunderbolts an issue and Planetary one trade. I may or may not try Authority some day.

And I haven’t read Morrison’s Doom Patrol. I don’t particularly love Grant Morrison like many do, but I’ll read it one of these days I’m sure.

Of the 26 stories I’ve read, nothing to show up has made my top ten yet, but the list so far nonetheless includes 6 of my all-time favorite stories ever as well as 9 other stories which I love or at least like a whole lot.

No stories I strongly dislike have shown up (yet). Of the list, House of M is the one I have the least positive feelings towards, but I have nothing particularly against it either. I enjoyed it well enough, though it was rather forgettable.

@Chris Nowlin: I think that people might be looking at different things for top run vs. top story. I for one think that Claremont’s run taken as a whole is one of the greatest in history, but only taken as a whole. I didn’t list a single story in my top ten. So I think that for Millar’s Daredevil we’ll see an opposite effect from what we saw in top runs. There we had Born Again fairly low on the list and his first run at #4, but here we see the big story from his first run low on the list and Born Again as one of the top selections.

“No Man’s Land” – I’ve only read the Maleev issues and as eye candy they are a sweet look back at how great he was even back then… Greg Rucka’s Bats finally started to jive with me when he hooked up with Shawn Martinbrough for the that “Detective Comics” run where Bruce had a bodyguard who figured out his secret, which begs the question : If “Knightfall” AND “No Man’s Land” have already made this list, are “Bruce Wayne : Murderer?” and “Bruce Wayne : Fugitive” coming up? I would hope so, because those were alright and certainly better than “Knighfall” or “No Man’s Land” (not that I think any of them should make it)…

“Elektra Saga” – Can’t dispute it being here, but I wonder what Miller’s highest ranked drawn work will be? My bet’s on “DKR” if it qualified…

“Transmet” – I read the first couple trades and never finished. There are too many of these kind of series for me. I’m ashamed (“Preacher” shares this horrifying distiction)…

“House Of M” – I’m not surprised this made it. You could strip this of all the lettering and narration and you would have one beautifully drawn superhero fantasy art book by a break-out superstar on his biggest gig (Olivier Coipel). Bendis, who I still think can deliver but in an artist-dependent fashion (the less dialogue he uses these past few years the better…) is at almost his worst ever in this one (“New Avengers : Breakout” better not be on the way)… But to his credit, I think he made up for Hawkeye’s death with a worthy return that placed the character squarely back as a critical player in the 616 Avengers. He had some masterful collaborators in Maleev & Yu though…

“Planet Hulk” – While I’ve always been curious because I loved Greg Pak’s movie “Robot Stories” he just hasn’t worked with any artists or any characters I’ve been that hot on. I’ve always flipped through this at book stores and thought the art was “ech” (except the Gary Frank ones, of course)…

I’ll soon hit 16 of 40, as I’m making my way through “Bone” right now, but c’mon, gimme something here.

Putting “House of M” on the list does seem a bit odd to me personally, but this is a “favourites” list, which is inherently subjective.

And since I’m loving this countdown so much (okay, they’re all the sweetness) I wanted to thank Brian for all the fine work he’s done on the countdown(s) so far…

@Dalarsco- Funnily enough, that exactly happened with me and voting as well. Claremont’s 190 or so issues of X-Men taken together is one of my top 5 comic stories, but none of the individual stories made my list. (Two came close)

I got bored reading Cerebus halfway through Book 1, which is a decent chunk of the problem. I own the first 15 volumes so I’ll get around to reading more someday.

A…. sensible reaction.

(Although it ain’t NOTHIN’ compared to the last chapters of the series. My lord was that a slog.)

But everything from book 2 to about book 6 is Ace.

Love & Rockets is the other big part of the problem. I bought the giant hardcovers, which was a mistake as they’re cumbersome and that has delayed my finishing of them, and I’m yet to get to the stories mentioned here.

Plus you have to get through the first few stories, whichagin ain’t the best of the run. Honestly, I’d read the “Death of Speedy” and “Human Diastro-however the hell you spell that – stuff first.

The rest of the problem is that I hate Warren Ellis. So I only gave Thunderbolts an issue and Planetary one trade. I may or may not try Authority some day.

So what did you read to hate?

And I haven’t read Morrison’s Doom Patrol. I don’t particularly love Grant Morrison like many do, but I’ll read it one of these days I’m sure.

It’s the Grant Morrison-i-est Grant Morrison comic, really. It’s pretty conceptually far out there and not particularly well crafted in a lotta ways – dialog, and working effectively with the artist especially. *I* like it a lot, in the end, but I wouldn’t recommend it to you.

@ Chris Nowlin – I was trying to be funny with my Planet Hulk comment following right after I basically told people they needed to relax, but it might have just come across more as whiney/petulant. My bad. That said, I do like Planet Hulk enough to have voted for it, and would be surprised if everyone who is so shocked it’s on the list has actually read it. I’m not sure why people are lumping it in as a crossover, as it all took place in one book. But whatever, different strokes and all that.

Ha! Just figured I’d point out the irony of the comment, jazzbo. My bad for not realizing the irony was intentional!

Re-reading my comment, it’s not clear at all that I was trying to do it. Seemed much clearer in my head. And now it probably just seems like I’m saying I did it on purpose to not look like a hypocrite. So I’ll just shut up now.

@Reptisaurus~

Ellis is a complicated thing for me, because everybody else loves him so I feel like I’m outside in the cold looking in the window at happy people when discussing him. But his work (almost) never works for me. Sometimes I like his idea, but the story or writing falls flat for me. Orbiter had a great introduction, and I was right on board with Ellis’ ideas, but the story was blah. Planetary just didn’t work for me.

In fact, I’ve read 337 great comic moments from Brian this year. And they fall into three classes: moments I love, comics I’ve never read but seem awesome and like I’m missing out, and the scenes from the Authority and Planetary, which seem blah. Planetary in particular seemed like Ellis’ sense of humor on a particularly nonsubtle day.

What have I read of his? I’ve mostly forgotten, I’m sure but-

X-Force- stupid
Planetary- Didn’t see what the big deal was after a trade
Global Frequency- Gave it an issue and didn’t care
Orbiter- good idea, poor execution; great introduction though
Switchblade Honey- Didn’t like it; it reeks of his… attitude.
Iron Man- Gave it an issue and disliked his take on the character
Thunderbolts- Same thing.
Pryde & Wisdom~ Utterly forgettable
Transmetropolitan- This series was actually pretty good.
Doom 2099- I’ll admit, that was damned awesome. But he’ll never live up to his one moment of greatness, through Transmetropolitan comes close.

In general, something about his attitude toward superheroes and writing them rubs me wrong. Nextwave I haven’t read, but I think I just would be unamused by his treatment of the characters.

And the spelling of Galactus’ name in his Ultimate stories is irksome. It reads like he’s trying to be intelligent but failing miserably. Though I haven’t actually read the comics. I was too annoyed by how he spelled Galactus’ name.

To Chris Nowlin…

“The rest of the problem is that I hate Warren Ellis. So I only gave Thunderbolts an issue and Planetary one trade. I may or may not try Authority some day.”

While I’m astonished “Planetary” didn’t pull you in, let me suggest “Nextwave”. I’ve read and liked a lot of Warren Ellis, but have to say that these 2 are his series without an overwhelming amount of “angry old (sometimes british) guy” infusion. I mean, it’s there in Elijah Snow and Dirk Anger, but softened with uncertainty in Elijah’s case and completely isolated and caricatured in Dirk…

At least check out “Nextwave”. It’s my favorite work by Stuart Immonen and probably your last chance to like Ellis…

@ChrisNowlin

Actually, I agree with you on everything except Global Frequency (which I quite liked, although I think I preferred the second trade to the first) and Pryde and Wisdom and Doom 2099. (Which I haven’t read.)

But I’m a staunch fan of Crecy, the Authority, Nextwave, Doktor Sleepless and I liked Astonishing X-men alright. Which is a pretty good win/loss record compared to most other creators. And, though I haven’t read it, when I did reporting at the Chicago Con for CBR last year, one of the security people said the ONLY comic she’ll read is Anna Mercury.

I dug the Gahlactose stuff OK. There was a good Falcon, and I like the Falcon. Mildly disliked-to-hated the rest of his Ultimate work, though.

I probably will pick up the Authority one of these days, if only because I like to feel comics-literate.

“I probably will pick up the Authority one of these days, if only because I like to feel comics-literate.”

Trust me, the Millar & Quitely “Authority” stuff is waaay better and you just need to know the basic cast to jump into that (I read Ellis’ run after reading theirs and liked it but not near as much). Maybe I’m just a sucker for whatever Quitely draws though (and I prefer Millar to Ellis on superheroes)…

Sorry Joshua, but that I won’t be sold on. To say I hate Ellis is actually an exaggeration. I just don’t share or really understand the deep love for him. But I really did rather like Transmetropolitan. And his work annoys me sometimes. But I do see he has talent.

But Millar always strikes me as Ellis minus the talent. Which isn’t to say I didn’t enjoy, say, Ultimates. But in general Millar seems to be a hack writer to me. And while I like and even love many hack writers, I dislike the ones who seem pretentious in their hacking, as Millar does.

So, Ellis’ Authority seems like a hole in my comics knowledge I should fill, but Millar’s doesn’t.

Finally, Transmet makes the list. I’ve been waiting on this for a while. First of all, contrary to a prior commenter’s assertion, ‘Year of the Bastard ‘and ‘The New Scum’ are two distinct and clearly-labeled 6 issue arcs, not just in trades but in the issues themselves. The only way Brian might be pushing the rules here is by combining the two. (Both of them were on my vote.)

So glad to see it make the list, though, even if it is at a meager 63. Transmet is terminally under-rated, when it’s even acknowledged. Maybe it’s the lack of mainstream exposure. I would be disparaged, but not surprised, if this is the only Transmet to make the list. It’s not necessarily the best issues of the series’, but it just might be the best story arc. Many of it’s strongest issues were just contained stories, like the one where Spider tackles the religious convention, or looks into child prostitutes. YotB and TNS were fantastically done, though. A lot of my favorite moments from the series are the ones where Spider’s journalistic skills shine through, and these arcs have that in aces. From Spider listening in on The Smiler with Source Gas to the press conference where he exposes Freeh to his final interview with the Beast, Spider’s relentless pursuit of the truth is displayed well. It also gives us pretty much his only two romantic relationships throughout the series, in Vita Severn and Yelena, not to mention one of his most “human” issues in the one with Mary the Revival that ends with him buying back a little girl’s pawned toy. All in all, these two arcs set the stage for the rest of the fantastic series, and really establish and develop Spider’s character, which is really the driving force behind, and biggest draw to, the series.

A bit disappointed to see House of M here. Bendis’ best crossover, I think, but that isn’t saying much at all. It’s not a very good story, nor is it very well written. (Again, Bendis’ writing is really on a slope, so it’s not completely awful, but I don’t think it’s good enough to warrant a spot on this list.) And, as others have said, the main function of it wasn’t to tell a good story, it was to alter the Marvel U’s status quo so things don’t get stale, and to sell lots of books with the numerous tie-ins.

Love that Planet Hulk made the list, though it might be just a little too high. Regardless, one of the best told Hulk stories in a long time. The Green Scar was a great incarnation for the Hulk, and it’s too bad Loeb had to go and revert him to his Savage incarnation without explanation.

The Elektra Saga’s earned it’s place on the list, I think. Miller’s not my favorite creator in comics, by a long shot. I think Dark Knight Returns is probably the most over-rated storyline of all time, (disappointing that it’ll probably end up making the top 5) and most of what he’s written post 80’s has been just awful, but he has his moments. I like Year One, Sin City on some levels (could definitely do without the misogyny) and, most of all, his Daredevil run. Born Again is his best arc, and it made my list over this, but I do enjoy this too. Elektra was just such a wonderful addition to the Daredevil mythos. She worked great as both an antagonist and a love interest. These issues also had a lot of Miller’s best work on characters like Bullseye and The Kingpin, both of whom he didn’t create, but basically defined.

I really haven’t read much of No Man’s Land, and considering it’s sheer voluminousness, I really don’t have a good scope on the series or whether it’s earned a place on this list at all. What I had read of it, though, was just fantastic.

I’m liking the list so far. Mainly that Ellis has the highest number of entries and votes. The fact that he’s trailed by Bendis, of all people, is disheartening. I mean, the guy’s Daredevil run was impressive, but it was all majorly downhill from there, but I digress…

Hey, you can’t knock me for trying to sell you on “Nextwave”. Maybe I should have just suggested it cold without the Ellis connect because Immonen really is on fire for the whole series…

And damn, about Millar! Yeah, he doesn’t have that golden crime fiction resume and DD run that Bendis has, but who would you say is delivering better these days in the Marvel U since these 2 always get to write the big “events”? I’m asking that as an honest interested question because I think Millar is superior these days and if we have to get into Ultimate comparisons, “Ultimates 1 & 2″ beat ANY Ultimate title by a long shot, still does… Lately seems like Millar’s more interested in creating more sorta “timeless” stories (“Old Man Logan” and his run on “FF”) while Bendis continues to spread himself way too thin across the Marvel and would be better as an editor of more and writer of less (yeah yeah, he still does “Powers”, but I’ve hated that for years)… Anyway, who do you prefer? You really threw me with that…

Nothing disheartening about Bendis doing well in and of itself. He’s a hell of a writer. What’s disheartening is that the quality of a given work of his will likely be inversely proportional to its placement on this list.

Well, if that were absolutely true and my opinion were law a “Sam & Twitch” (best book Todd ever published at Image) storyline is going to show up in the top 30. Somehow, I highly doubt that’ll happen. Hmmm… I don’t think “Alias” has shown up yet…

Or I had your disheartening thought completely backwards…

Maybe I’ll give Nextwave a shot one of these days, too.

As for Millar vs. Bendis? I’m no longer reading Marvel work by either of them, so I can’t be certain.

I love Bendis. Goldfish, Jinx, Torso, Powers, Daredevil, Alias, and Ultimate Spider-Man, all excellent. Because he’s a great crime noir writer. No coincidence that the best issues of Ultimate Spider-Man involved the Kingpin.

His first Avengers arc was one of the worst comic stories I’ve ever read. New Avengers was fine but I got sick of it and dropped it after 30 issues or so, never really having cared for it.

Ultimates was good, though it wouldn’t make my top ten Avengers runs. (That may be hyperbole; I actually suspect it might be #9 but I’d have to give this more thought; for now I’m making a point through slight exaggeration)

Millar’s Wolverines were enjoyable enough as well.

Civil War was just annoying. That attempted intelligence and relevance falling flat in an overhyped event with a good premise and poor execution. I gave it 6 issues (and god-knows-how-many crossover issues) and quit it (and superhero comics altogether)

Which is why I’m no expert on who’s doing better stuff for Marvel.

House of M vs. Civil War? I thought Civil War was worse, but it’s at least understandable that it would be popular. What I saw as flaws, some people loved. It was at least divisive and gained fans and detractors with strong opinions either way.

Whereas House of M was boring and forgettable. Millar at least knows how to write an event, whereas Bendis gets confused when there’s too many characters involved.

I also strongly disliked Millar’s Spider-Man work, despite people who’s opinions on Spider-Man I respect touting it as one of the all-time great Spider-Man stories.

Anyways, haven’t read any of their work since the midpoint of Civil War when I gave up on them both. So I can’t tell you who’s doing better these days. Secret Invasion may have been excellent or awful for all I know.

On an unrelated note, I apologise for my earlier dismissive tone of Planet Hulk. It just looked like something that made it to the list by virtue of being relatively new and a big “event”. I haven’t read it and it may well be excellent. There is certainly some new superhero work whose placement on the list I find deserving (like Brubaker’s Cap)

From what I’ve read, Sam & Twitch was excellent. BUT the trades were poorly printed and cut off the middle of each page, which is especially bad for Bendis’ style which includes panels stretching across two pages frequently. This got so annoying that I never finished the trade.

My inversely proportional comment was meant to convey that I think the ranking: House of M, Daredevil, Powers is the opposite of their quality, and that his best work like Jinx is unlikely to make the list.

When No Man’s Land kicked off, a friend of mine who read more DC books than I did explained it to me as “Gotham is wrecked by an earthquake, so the government just walls it off and pretends it doesn’t exist anymore, and the Bat family has to police the anarchy because they won’t let any other superheroes in to help out.” I was sure he was oversimplifying – maybe leaving out some in-story justification for the general apathy about Gotham’s plight, but itt sounded like the stupidest thing I’d ever heard of – no matter how great an idea you had for a psuedo-post-apocalyptic Batman story, it was just impossible to believe that a major city could get all but wiped out and the government would decide it was too much bother to help out.

Years later, Hurricane Katrina happened, and … you know … huh…

Though I still think that Superman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman et al. not stepping in to help makes at least as little sense as Norman Osborn getting to be the head of US law enforcement.

*notices Wasteland, House of M and Planet Hulk*

Wait, for real?

Bernard the Poet

December 5, 2009 at 2:19 am

Brian, Brian, Brian…..

I specifically asked you if I should class the Elektra Saga as one story or two, and you wrote back that it was two stories – the Death of Elektra. and the Resurrection of Elektra.

I couldn’t decide which story to vote for, so in the end I didn’t vote for either.

House of M? Come on.

Planet Hulk is pushing it slightly too, but only slightly. Whereas House of M? Nuh uh.

“And damn, about Millar! Yeah, he doesn’t have that golden crime fiction resume and DD run that Bendis has, but who would you say is delivering better these days in the Marvel U since these 2 always get to write the big “events”?”

Quite a lot of people, many of them having nothing to do with big events.

Everybody knows that the Elektra story is a classic. Debate the cohesion of the trade paperback all you want, but it would have been silly to have a top 100 storyline list and leave that one out because it skips around during the run.

I specifically asked you if I should class the Elektra Saga as one story or two, and you wrote back that it was two stories – the Death of Elektra. and the Resurrection of Elektra.

I couldn’t decide which story to vote for, so in the end I didn’t vote for either.

First off, Dan, that’s kinda silly to not vote for EITHER because of indecision over which one to vote for. It’s like the mother who was okay with Solomon cutting the baby in half.

That said, the Resurrection story did not get any votes on its own. So that’s why I tossed it in on top of the #168-181/2 stuff. It wasn’t taking away or adding any votes, so I didn’t think it particularly mattered if I brought it in (and thereby included all the stories from the Elektra Saga books). This is all about making it easiest for you to find the story in question. The same with Brubaker/Fraction’s Iron Fist run. The votes were for the first two trades, but since there’s actually an omnibus that has all of their run (including a couple of issues outside those two trades), I threw them all in.

@ Michael P :

I’m not sure what you mean with you comment, but I was just asking Chris who of Millar & Bendis he preferred. I’m a little pickier with Bendis’s stuff these days, but I still read way too much of his work to complain as much i do sometimes. I just like how Millar’s taken a step back since Civil War and tried to focus more on finite epics that really don’t have too much impact on Marvel’s current continuity, “Old Man Logan” and “1985” being his better examples. That’s all I was saying…

@ Chris Nowlin :

I think you may have me mixed up with someone else on that “Planet Hulk” thing…

But anyway, Millar’s Spidey is okay in kind of a beautifully drawn B grade take of Spidey in a format similar to “All-Star Superman”…

I’m totally with you on the Bendis thoughts, although I dropped off with Ultimate Spidey after the Venom arc (which I did like waay better than the regular Marvel’s Brock story)… I gotta agree that “New Avengers : Break-out” is his absolute gutter for me, but I REALLY hate that “Image Founder” impersonator style of art so David Finch is like looking at fresh vomit on a sidewalk on accident…

“Civil War” was bad, but at least it was memorable. You really can’t knock Steve McNiven’s art either… But they did totally bungle Spidey being unmasked and as a fugitive! That was the biggest disappointment for me.

The Bendis & Yu run on “New Avengers” and the core “Secret Invasion” mini are far better than any of the “Civil War” stuff, if only to see Yu having an artistic breakthrough with the coolest cast of Avengers to draw ever. The best aspect is how once it breaks into “SI” they start having Morales ink Yu, which adds a bit of prestige and slickness to the event that you weren’t used to with the rock em’ sock em’ computer-colored sketchbook style of “NA”!

Here’s a funny story, which I’ve been viciously flamed over in the past, but at least can’t be written off as “it was before your time whippersnapper” or some such thing: I quit on buying Miller’s Daredevil while the original issues were still coming out, and it was when the book was in the middle of what is now the Elektra Saga that I dropped it.
Make of that what you will, I’m just saying that “having been there” doesn’t automatically make you remember it as the greatest thing in comics history. Differing individual tastes still always come into play.

@ Michael P :

My reading mistake, nevermind… I’m in agreement that the 21st century’s (& current) best comics writers have very few “events” of any sort on their resume…

I don’t understand the hatred of ‘Breakout’ that people are suddenly going on about. You mean the first story of New Avengers, right? I found it at the library just before I started buying comics again, and I thought it was great. (Although the last couple of chapters in the Savage Land weren’t as good.) I was really amazed that I understood everything despite having not read a new Marvel in about ten years. It was one of the things that actually got me to start buying comics again, and when I started buying and didn’t know who any of the current writers were, I knew that Bendis seemed to be somebody that I liked.
It’s not the best story in the series, but I can’t figure out anything significantly wrong with it.

When did Mark Millar write Spider-Man? I haven’t noticed any in the back issues I’ve looked through. (I hated the three issues of his Fantastic Four I read, so I don’t know if I’d want to see what he did with Spidey.)

When did Mark Millar write Spider-Man?

Marvel Knights: Spider-Man #1-12

@Daniel:
I agree about The Elektra Saga. It’s a travesty of a trade, regardless of how great the content is (when complete).

No Man’s Land? Ick. I certainly hope that the Bruce Wayne:Murderer storyline makes it onto this list now, just to wash the taste out of my mouth. I doubt it will though, the Brubaker/Rucka time on Batman is criminally overlooked.

@ Mary Warner :

I’m glad “Breakout” was good for someone in a significant way (getting back into comics)…

House of M beating major storylines from Authority, Planetary, Bone, Transmetropolitan, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Fables, Sandman, and Punisher’s “Welcome Back, Frank”?
Really?
Wow, i’m a Marvel fan and all but surely there should be limits to a fan’s (actually to the TWO fans who gave first-place votes) Bendis-crush.
Even if judging by art alone, this series wouldn’t be as good as most that i’ve mentioned above.
Yikes.

As much as I think the Great Cow Race is a wonderful story which belongs high on this list, while House of M is a mediocre story with no place here, I’m really in no position to say this as I gave them both an identical number of points in my voting.

If I cared that much about the Great Cow Race, I probably should have given in more than 0 points. As I didn’t, I’ll just be happy to see it on the list at all.

Frankly, I gave House of M exactly as many points as I gave Watchmen, though that one at least probably will do fine without my support.

I will complain more fervently about House of M when something I did vote for doesn’t make the list (and I’m getting a bit scared for Usagi Yojimbo, I’ll admit)

First of all, contrary to a prior commenter’s assertion, ‘Year of the Bastard ‘and ‘The New Scum’ are two distinct and clearly-labeled 6 issue arcs, not just in trades but in the issues themselves.

Oops you’re right. I remembered them as having one three issue story and three one-shots in each trade (as most Transmetropolitan trades do).

That said, I still disagree with combining two stories together under one vote like this.

I hated the Planet Hulk storyline. I thought it was poorly paced and didn’t care much for the characters introduced in the story. I’m surprised House of M made the list. I didn’t mind that story, but the overall influx of hate mail Marvel must have received after that story must of have been crazy.

@ Chris Nowlin

“(and I’m getting a bit scared for Usagi Yojimbo, I’ll admit)”

Yeah, somehow I don’t think we’re going to see “Daisho” OR “Fathers & Sons”, my 2 favorite UY storylines…

Not sure why people are complaining about where storylines are appearing, and why some are higher than others. This was an unscientific poll where people volunteered to vote. I’m sure if Brian re-does this in a years time, we’d prob see a very different list.

I though NML and Planet Hulk were good, if not great. I will admit that NML is better than your average Bat-crossover, but given some of the crossover’s we’ve seen, I don’t think that’s saying much.

Transmetropolitan I tried and just didn’t like, though as Brian mentioned, it does have Darick Robertson.

House of M was just utter crap, and sadly, led to the one post event status quo Marvel doesn’t seem to want to undo, Decimation. I didn’t like Civil War, but I did enjoy the Initiative status quo that was set up.

@ Mary Warner

I agree that the first few issues of New Avengers were not that bad. In fact, I thought that they were pretty good, but quickly fell apart during the Savage Land episodes.

I was a big fan of Bendis on Powers and Ultimate Spider-Man. However, I did drop Powers during Deena’s kidnap story arc, when I realised that the cops just watch events unfold or events are forced upon them.

And House of M cannot be as bad as Avengers: Disassembled.

I’ve read all of these except for No Man’s Land. Mostly just because i normally follow Marvel (and this storyline has 5 TPB’s to follow? That’s a bit much for my budget), but i didn’t know that people consider it THAT good.
Wow.
And i certainly don’t know that the great Alex Maleev and Dave Eaglesham provided the art for those stories.
Worth checking out just by that alone.

To anyone who hasn’t read “Batman: No Man’s Land” but now wants to: check out the novel by Greg Rucka. It leaves out the cross-overs but tells the story brilliantly.

I must be the minority: House of M was the stupidest idea for a superhero comic that has ever been considered. “Lets take a comic about superheroes, where people read for superheroes, then let’s take a really long time to make those people superheroes again after we take their abilities.”

Is there a gold medal for idiocy?

Why is quality writing now defined as inciting negative emotion in the reader? At what point did pleasurable scenarios give way to dross that one must swallow with a lump of sugar (and a lot of vaseline) in order to get it down?

Could anyone explain to me what they enjoyed about this series? Obviously I am missing something. Why is changing the status quo good? Who ACTUALLY thinks they shouldn’t have killed the Scarlet Witch?

If someone is that powerful…and insane…well, nevermind. I suppose that is an unpopular point of view. It’s really a shame, since it is exactly that kind of mindless forgiveness and lack of responsibility that makes the world the way it is today.

It’s your bed, you lie in it.

I am goin’ to space.

so many trolls trashtalking the marvel storylines it makes me sick.
to be honest both House of M and Planet Hulk are AWESOME storylines, and those who do NOT enjoy it should stop comparing it with a semi-gay Fatman and his friends of the oh so childish crap of JLA (hell, Teletubbies + batman + superman would make any birthdayparty for my 4-year old).

if you want a genuine great story, try either of them two!
also noticed some turd dropped secret invasion in a negative way, and this is also a gre8 storyline and a kick-off to start the Thanos Imperative (incl. Annihilation, War of kings and Realm of kings and ofc the Thanos Imperative itself)

DO NO MISS ANY OF THEM!!!!!!

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