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Top 100 Comic Book Storylines #40-36

Here are the next five storylines on the countdown, as voted on by you, the readers!! Here is the master list of all storylines featured so far.

(As usual, just the results now and the details later)

39 (tie). “Hush” by Jeph Loeb, Jim Lee and Scott Williams (Batman #608-619) – 220 points

Hush took a similar approach to Jeph Loeb’s highly successful Long Halloween and Dark Victory comics.

Basically, he took an over-arching storyline and a mysterious villain, and then had each issue work as a spotlight on a different member of Batman’s large supporting cast of heroes and villains.

In Long Halloween, Loeb worked with star artist Tim Sale. Here he worked with Jim Lee, one of the most popular artists in all of comics.

In many ways, Loeb’s intention was simply to give Lee as much cool stuff to draw as possible, and to that end, Loeb wrote the series (where Batman is besieged by a mysterious new villain named Hush) with lots of notable events taking place, including Batman and Catwoman getting together and Batman and Superman having a dramatic battle (Superman was being mind-controlled by Poison Ivy).

During a period when comic sales were in a notable slump, these twelve issues were like manna from heaven for comic book retailers, as they were strikingly popular. The storyline also worked as a sort of basic guideline for many later story arc by different comic book writers. Much like how Die Hard became the foundation for a number of other action films, so, too, did Hush become the prototype for many other significant superhero stories.

39 (tie). “Secret Wars” by Jim Shooter, Mike Zeck, Bob Layton, John Beatty and a host of other inkers (Marvel Super-Heroes Secret Wars #1-12) – 220 points (3 first place votes)

38. “Dangerous Habits” by Garth Ennis, Will Simpson, Mark Pennington and a host of other inkers (Hellblazer #41-46) – 222 points (3 first place votes)

37. “Green Lantern: Rebirth” by Geoff Johns, Ethan Van Sciver and Prentis Rollins (Green Lantern: Rebirth #1-6) – 231 points (4 first place votes)

36. “The Painting That Ate Paris” by Grant Morrison, Richard Case and John Nyberg (Doom Patrol Vol. 2 #26-29) – 235 points (4 first place votes)

95 Comments

Secret Wars? Really? Im not normally one of those snarkie posters. But thats quite suprising.

Hey, “The Painting that Ate Paris” made it! Wasn’t sure that it would at this point.

I’m keeping a consistent percentage of 20% reads. This time with Dangerous Habits, which was nice, even though I expected more out of it…

Yeah, this group of 5 won’t have any detractors.

Jax – I think Hush and GL: Rebirth are going to be much more controversial picks than Secret Wars. But I’ve been known to be wrong from time to time.

Yes, for Painting That Ate Paris making the list. That’s another one I can check off my list that made it.

One thing- Brian, looks like you misnumbered it as #45 instead of #36…

I really look forward to seeing the additions to this list each day. There’s certainly a lot more suspense involved in this 100 Storylines list, and more excitement with each reveal. I much prefer this method of voting. With the 75 Iconic DC Covers, we’ve already seen them all once before.

Yeah! My #1 (The Painting That Ate Paris) made it! I’m a bit surprised (but glad) that it got that high on the list.

I enjoyed Rebirth quite a bit – one of the few major retcons that I did enjoy, simply because it actually made so much more sense than the story it was changing. Only read 2/3 of Secret Wars back in the day – surprised that there are that many people who enjoyed it that much, as it doesn’t have the benefit of being just recently out. Have skimmed Hush and I guess I had mixed feelings about it. I remember thinking about what a devastating idea to use the “return of Jason Todd” against Batman – a much better idea, in my opinion, than actually bringing Jason back.

I know, i know. It’s personal preference. It’s favorites, not best. There’s an understandable recency/availability bias. And I, personally, think that the amount of Jeph Loeb hate on the web is out of control, unreasonable, and revisionist.

Nonetheless, Hush is being called a better read/more fun/superior in whatever quality you want to assign to it than parts or all of:

Bone
Fables
Alan Moore’s Swamp Thing
Alan Moore’s LOEG
Miracleman
From Hell
Love and Rockets
Transmetropolitan
Cerebus
The Kree/Skrull War
Starman
We3
Etc, etc.

That’s…that’s clearly not right, by almost any standard you can reasonably apply.

Well, I´m a bit torn about today.

I´m very glad to see “The Painting that Ate Paris” so high, I really enjoyed that storyline. The Brotherhood of Dada had some great characters and moments, particularly Mr. Nobody and The Fog, with its conflicting dialogues. Although I voted for another Doom Patrol storyline, I would have voted for the whole run if I could.

I´m also glad to see Dangerous Habits. Although I think it´s overrated, it´s still a good work and a strong start by Ennis on his Hellblazer run. It introduces a character that´s going to be very important for Constantine (important during the Ennis run), which is Kit, and the storyline is entertaining as a whole.

But on the other hand today we also had Hush, which bored me to hell. I didn´t even finish reading it, I stopped buying Batman (I´ve stopped and resumed buying Batman a lot of times), and from what I read it was a good choice, since the big reveal was nothing special, and dissapointing for most. I like the art by Jim Lee, but I don´t buy comics only for their art.

Then we have Secret Wars, which is another borefest. I read it a few years ago and I had to force myself to get to the end, just for the sake of completism. It´s dated, but I also think it must have been boring for the people that read it when it was coming out. The art is nothing special, as well.

And at the end we have Green Lantern: Rebirth with the convenient Parallax as a yellow parasite and the return of the square jawed and always dull Hal Jordan. I always preferred Kyle Rayner over Jordan, but not because that´s how I started reading GL, I had read several Jordan stories when growing up, and of all I read I only really enjoyed Emerald Dawn. I believe that I´ll always prefer Kyle Rayner because of his association with the “everyman” archetype, and because I just think that having a GL be an actual artist with powerful imagination is such a good choice that I can´t believe it wasn´t done before. The art is great though, but here is when I stopped thinking that Johns was a decent writer (I liked his JSA run, Stars and S.T.R.I.P.E. and The Possesed), and it was downhill from there.

The Crazed Spruce

December 9, 2009 at 3:25 am

I read and enjoyed both Rebirth and Secret Wars, but neither of them made my short list.

Haven’t read either of the others, but Hellblazer is on my “Must Buy” list, and the other two are on my “Want To Check Out ‘Cause They Seem Interesting” list.

And I’m still 0 fo 10!

Haven’t read Hush, and have no immediate plans to.

Secret Wars was fun, but I don’t think it should be here. If that’s made it, then surely we’ll be seeing the Infinity Gauntlet?

Haven’t read Dangerous Habits, but I’m a big Ennis fan, so I’m sure it deserves to be here.

Got the first issue of Rebirth, but it wasn’t for me.

The Painting That Ate Paris is excellent. The whole run is excellent. Blew me away.

Hush and Rebirth being this high makes Baby Jack Kirby cry.

I’ve read 3 of these so my total is now 51 read, 14 unread. And STILL none of my votes have turned up.

Hush – Mediocre story, mediocre art.

Secret Wars – Nor read it.

Dangerous Habits – Excellent stuff, but didn’t make my shortlist.

Rebirth – I haven’t read this yet. (The GL relaunch books haven’t got cheap on eBay yet)

The Painting that Ate Paris – Great stuff. It’s nice to see Morrison’s DP get some love! (as long as Animal Man gets more)

I’ve read “Hush”, “Dangerous Habits” and “Rebirth”. I liked “Rebirth” and “Dangerous Habits” more than “Hush”, but none made my shortlist.

Hush – enjoyable read but if it “belongs” on this list, it doesn’t belong so high. Go read Dave’s post. I agree with him.

Secret Wars – Now that’s an event book!! :D Classic stuff!

Dangerous Habit – I have no idea how this is such a well known John Constantine story. I’ve read it, it’s a solid story but not one of the best. It’s not even one of the best Garth Ennis Constantine stories!! Overall, I prefered Brian Azzarello’s run a lot more. That was some fantastic stuff!

Green Lantern : Rebirth – Same thing as Hush, it’s an enjoyable read but I don’t think it has what it takes to compare with some of the truly terrific things that have already made it on the list.

The Painting That Ate Paris – NICE!! This is truly a surprise, for whatever reason when we first saw Doom Patrol on the list I thought that was going to be it. I’m very pleased to see this here. Fantastic run. Now let’s see that Doom Patrol tie in, Flex Mentallo, in the top ten in a a week or so!! :D

You know, that 100 comic book runs list was something I could give to a newb and be like, “Hey, theres so many great runs on this thing from so many eras and writers, pick what you like, its all good!”. THIS one, however, I have to start crossing half the stuff out. “Green Lantern Rebirth was a terribly forced retcon, stay away from that. Secret Wars is only up here for nostalgia reasons. Hush is written by Jeph Loeb, and put that name on your ‘stay the fuck away’ list”. For every “the Painting Who Ate Paris”(really glad its up here!) theres gonna be a “House of M” and “Death of Superman” right behind it.

Fucking Hush? You have disappointed me, Comics Should Be Good! readership.

I get that it’s “personal preference” not “best”, but man … I love Secret Wars and it still never would have made it anywhere close to my list of top storylines. It’s all spectacle and set pieces and exclamation points and barely hangs together as a story, which is kind of a big part of a storyline. Saying Secret Wars is your favorite storyline is like saying your favorite movie is Superbowl XLII. Yes you can watch Superbowl XLII on a DVD and yes it’s fun as heck but it’s still an odd answer to the question.

Tom Fitzpatrick

December 9, 2009 at 6:40 am

Some more of Morrison’s Doom Patrol, Ennis’ Hellblazer, Johns’ Green Lantern, and Loeb’s Batman.

I’m not too sure about Marvel’s Secret Wars. Despite all the hullabaloo about this series way back in the 80′s, I wouldn’t really go so far to say that it’s deserving on the 100 top list.

The only thing that I do remember out of that series is that it gave us Spider-man’s black costume that’s still around today as Venom.

Aaand today, this list lost all its worth… Hush? Really? Above We3? Above Planetary?
What was supposed to be the ultimate list of the best comic books became a social experiment to see how bad people’s tastes are…

“For every “the Painting Who Ate Paris”(really glad its up here!) theres gonna be a “House of M” and “Death of Superman” right behind it.” [2]

Nice iniciative, Brian, too bad it went wrong.

NEW TOTALS:

Interesting notes – Morrison and the 2000s still reign surpreme, and Loeb and Johns make their entrances(and it probably won’t be the last).

-24 are Marvel stories

-29 are DC stories(16 from DC, 10 from Vertigo, 3 from Wildstorm)

-47 are superhero stories
-18 are non-superhero stories

-2000s(27 entries, 3864 points)
-1990s(23 entries, 3531 points)
-1980s(11 entries, 1720 points)
-1970s(4 entries, 513 points)
-1960s(1 entry, 206 points)

By Writer:

-Morrison (8 entries, 1403 points)
-Moore (5 entries, 692 points)
-L. Simonson (2 entries, 566 points)
-Brubaker (4 entries, 564 points)
-Ellis (4 entries, 563 points)
-Busiek (3 entries, 537 points)
-Stern (3 entries, 520 points)
-Ennis (3 entries, 430 points)
-W. Simonson (2 entries, 429 points)
-Bendis (3 entries, 381 points)
-Shooter (2 entries, 361 points)
-Jurgens (2 entries, 348 points)
-Ordway (2 entries, 348 points)
-Gaiman (2 entries, 312 points)
-Vaughan (2 entries, 295 points)
-Willingham (2 entries, 234 points)
-Buckingham (2 entries, 234 points)
-Johns (1 entry, 231 points)
-Sim (2 entries, 220 points)
-Loeb (1 entry, 220 points)
-Claremont (1 entry, 218 points)
-Ditko(1 entry, 206 points)
-Lee(1 entry, 206 points)
-Whedon (1 entry, 195 points)
-David (1 entry, 179 points)
-Kessel (1 entry, 167 points)
-Jones (1 entry, 167 points)
-Pak(1 entry, 165 points)
-Miller (1 entry, 162 points)
-Rucka(1 entry, 160 points)
-Grayson(1 entry, 160 points)
-Robinson (1 entry, 142 points)
-Dixon (1 entry, 142 points)
-Moenech (1 entry, 142 points)
-Aparo (1 entry, 142 points)
-Stern (1 entry, 141 points)
-Michelinie (1 entry, 141 points)
-JMS (1 entry, 140 points)
-Starlin (1 entry, 140 points)
-Javier Grillo-Marxuach (1 entry, 131 points)
-D’n’A (1 entry, 131 points)
-Furman (1 entry, 131 points)
-Keith Grifen (1 entry, 131 points)
-Thomas (1 entry, 127 points)
-Fraction (1 entry, 115 points)
-J. Hernandez (1 entry, 110 points)
-Windsor-Smith (1 entry, 106 points)
-O’Neil (1 entry, 105 points)
-G. Hernandez (1 entry, 102 points)
-Smith (1 entry, 102 points)
-Ware (1 entry, 100 points)
-Rosa (1 entry, 100 points)

Saying Secret Wars is your favorite storyline is like saying your favorite movie is Superbowl XLII. Yes you can watch Superbowl XLII on a DVD and yes it’s fun as heck but it’s still an odd answer to the question.

It’s more like saying Independence Day is your favorite movie, right?

Having read the Painting that Ate Paris recently, I believe it’s properly placed both on the list and in relation to other Morrison works. (I’m curious: did anybody vote all Morrison? Or perhaps better stated: how many people voted all Morrison?)

6 of my votes were Morrison stories LOL. I was thinking of taking some off to get on some Hitman, Preacher, more Brubaker, some Ellis, etc, but when I look at the ten stories I say “Ya know what? Forgetting who wrote what, these are ten of my favorite comic book stories” and submitted it. Four of them have made it(Death of Captain America, Coming Home, New World Order, Rock of Ages), 2 are guarantees, 1 is a longshot, and the other 3 don’t have a shot in hell.

Then again, HUSH made the top FORTY, so I shouldn’t feel too bad.

@ Jeremy, I think you have Aparo on the Writer’s list by mistake. I love Jim’s art, but I don’t think he contributed on the writing side.

Any list that has Hush before From Hell is wrong. I think that’s a scientific fact actually, it’s not even a matter of opinion. Yeah, I definitely read that somewhere.

I’d say there aren’t many non super-hero works left. Maybe 2.

Isn’t Secret Wars supposed to be unreadable if you weren’t twelve when it actually came out?

would have thought secret wars would be in the top five or so. and niice to see the doom patrol on the list even though its when Grant was messing with them.

What’s the reason for all this Jeph Loeb hate?

I haven’t read anything of his, but I heard good things about the Long Haloween, and it’s on my to-buy list.

Can anyone elaborate?

Heh. Hush AND Rebirth in one batch. That won’t outrage anyone…

Hush: Pretty pictures, weak story (four words that can be used to describe most of Loeb’s work). It’s not AWFUL, and while I’m a bit surprised it placed this high, I’m not surprised it placed. It makes for a decent “you’ve never actually read Batman comics, read this” intro story (though for that, I much prefer Loeb’s stronger Long Halloween). Like a lot of the more recent stories, I definitely think it’s a case of more people reading it so even if a smaller percentage of those readers consider it a favorite, it gets enough votes to place.

Secret Wars: no surprise here. A nostalgic favorite of many, I imagine. And not without it’s charms (the “Hulk holding up a mountain” and “Doom takes down the Beyonder”, in particular).

I have yet to read a lot of the older Hellblazer stuff. I wonder if other Hellblazer stories will make it, or if this will be the only one?

Given the sheer popularity of Johns’ Green Lantern, I’m not surprised to see Rebirth place. Like Hush, I didn’t think it would get this high, but like Hush, I think it benefits from bigger overall numbers than something like Miracleman, which everyone who reads it, loves, but not everyone has read it.

Morrison’s Doom Patrol is another gaping hole in my comic reading. Given Morrison’s popularity here and elsewhere, I bet this won’t be the last we see of it.

Darn.

Seeing as Dangerous Habits is this high up, I don’t hold much hope for my vote towards “Rake at the Gates of Hell”

Still, good to see Hellblazer so high, considering how few people on here seem to have read it!

:-)

Yeah… I’m surprised that people are surprised at Secret Wars. Even if you think that you had to be twelve when it came out to find it readable… well, a lot of the people voting here were probably twelve when it came out, no? And when I was twelve, secret Wars was frigging awesome. There’s been discussion lately over Doom’s cred, and this is exactly where that was established. The scene where he’s being dissected and still has enough willpower to go after the beyonder just because… because he’s frigging DOOM!

As for the other stuff, I F’ing hate Loeb’s work. However, everyone bitching on here because the list doesn’t validate they’re exact taste… you might be missing the point. It’s just like when we all rail against and bitch and moan about everyone buying Loeb’s comics. We might hate them, but they sure sell well, so someone must think they are pretty great.

I liked Hush well enough, but even I’m surprised it made it this high on the list. And the nerd rage I enjoyed watching from House Of M isn’t fun anymore.

i haven’t read Hellblazer, but the other ones here are definitely “REALLY???” in my book.

Amir, the Jeph Loeb hate tends to stem from him being a profoundly terrible writer whose work is a hackish pastiche of other, more talented writers and famous scenes from movies at best (Long Halloween,) and an incoherent mishmash of fight scenes and shocking violence devoid of character logic at worst (Wolverine Evolution, Ultimates 3). His only real talent is that his scripts are tailored to exactly what his artist wants to draw, they’re big on splash pages and iconic images at the expense of logic or characterization.

The Long Halloween is one of the most profoundly overrated comics I’ve ever read. It’s basically Loeb ripping off Miller’s writing style from year one and then using it to write a mashup of Presumed Innocent, The Silence of the Lambs and The Godfather. There isn’t a single original idea in there and the plot is full of holes you could drive a truck through. There’s almost no storytelling logic beyond a parade of appearances by Batman’s rogue’s gallery and it acctually makes Batman look like a complete idiot in that the World’s Greatest detective takes over a year to solve this case and still doesn’t figure out the truth about the killings (Then again, I don’t even think Loeb actually knows what the sequence of events was supposed to be in that book, he was so busy throwing out red herrings left and right). It’s not offensively bad, but it is incredibly stupid and poorly written, and reading it I was stunned that anyone would consider this an Eisner-worthy series. (That said, I fully expect it to place in the top 20 if not the top 10, given that this contest was advertised on the CBR frontpage and probably drew in a lot of voters who don’t normally read this blog.)

Hush, though? Hush is fucking retarded. It solidifies pretty much everything in Loeb’s writing that would lead to Wolverine: Evolution, which is to this day the single worst comic story I’ve ever read.

I read Secret Wars a year ago, being 24, for the first time, and the only thing I liked was exactly what was mentioned, Hulk supporting a mountain and Doom against the Beyonder, but that barely made my eyes get open again (because they were closing involuntarily you see), it didn’t make me like it as a whole. I do prefer seeing Secret Wars here than Hush or Rebirth, but still, IMHO there are far better stories placed lower on this list.

As I said, I certainly don’t like seeing Hush, Rebirth and SW here, and I don’t like it one bit, but I don’t get too worked up about it, like I said in a previous post it’s understandable to see more mainstream or massively commercial works here, placed higher than works that have a lot more quality as stories. The more known works get read by more people, so they inherently have more chances to begin with. This is my opinion, anyone is entitled to theirs, I don’t think only I and the people that think like me hold the absolute truth.

Hush being on here is unfathomable. I didn’t think Long Halloween would even make it, given the prevalent Loeb hate on here.

What’s left?

Original Wolverine miniseries
V for Vendetta
Watchmen
Year One
Born Again
Dark Knight Returns
All-Star Superman
Brief Lives
Season of Mists
Galactus Saga
Crisis on Infinite Earth
Grand Theft America
Man of Steel
Dark Phoenix Saga
The Filth
Arkham Asylum: Serious House on Serious Earth

These should all be guarantees.

I still hold a candle for Flex Mentallo.

“It’s not death. It’s something new. Prepare to become fictional”

Definitely one of the top ten storylines of all time, I sincerely love it.

24 of 25, sigh.

Of these, I’ve only read “Hush”; it’s okay. Certainly looks great, for the most part (though it introduced that godawful Huntress costume).

24 of 65, should be.

I admit it doesn’t say much for my tastes, but I put Secret Wars as #9 on my list. I admit it is totally nostalgia. It was the biggest story I had ever read when I was like 8 or however old I was when it came out. My dad actually read it to me issue by issue and did different voices for each character. I got the game module for the old Marvels Super Heroes RPG and played it about 3 dozen times. Is it a good story, and does it hold up? Nah. But it will always have a special place in my heart. Can’t help it. Had to throw it 2 points. Plus I always loved Doom as the Beyonder. This story cemented Doom as the ultimate bad ass villain in my mind when I was a young’un.

Some people are clearly forgetting the awesomeness of Secret Wars when it first came out.

I wonder how pissed everyone will be if Infinity Gauntlet and COIE make the list as well? (My #8 and 10 picks, respectively).

I put Infinity Guantlet on because, although I thought it was okay at best, not only was it a fun read, but it was the storyline that brought about dozen different guys I knew growing up into comics… for that reason alone I had to throw it 3 points.

And although COIE is boring to some degree and doesn’t hold up well, it A) had such a profound effect it made my dad stop reading DC comics, a loyal fan of 25 years up to that point, B) opened the door for DC becoming a company that may be flawed but embraces evolution and dynasties to some degree (with Wally taking over for Barry, and Robin becoming Nightwing, etc), C) led to the Byrne Super-Man and Miller’s Year One, D) featured the deaths of Supergirl and Barry. For all these reasons and more (such as integrating the Charleton characters like Blue Beetle into DC proper), COIE is arguable the most important event comic ever conceived. Had to give it at least 1 point.

The Filth
Arkham Asylum: Serious House on Serious Earth

These should all be guarantees.

I love The Filth, but I’d be surprised if it rates higher than Doom Patrol. I hope I’m wrong.

Arkham Asylum was a original graphic novel so isn’t eligible.

I just know Infinite Crisis and Civil War are yet to come, and then I’m going to have to kill myself.

Teebore: There’s an outside chance of another Ennis arc (“Rake at the Gates of Hell”, most likely) appearing in the next batch, but other than that, likely no other John Constantine stories coming. Unless one counts “American Gothic” as a John Constantine story, of course…

Hush? Are you freaking KIDDING me? HUSH?? That was quite likely the worst Batman story I’ve ever read. It’s like it was written by a ten-year-old who, rather than construct a coherent story, was excitedly going “…and then SUPERMAN shows up! Zap! Bakooooooommmm! And then…then Poison Ivy! And Clayface, but he’s disguised as Jason Todd! Pow! Bam!”

I am disappointed in you, voters. Hush deserves a place in a “worst 100 comic book storylines”, not top 100. *sigh* At least it didn’t get any first place votes.

I am not even a Batman fan but I bought Hush mainly to see Jim Lee’s renditions of all the characters. To me, it was nice eye candy.

And I loved Secret Wars. It’s really about the nostalgia, guys and the comic book mediium has made great strides in story quality since then. The art was passable but I believe IIRC it was because Mike Zeck might have also been doing another monthly around that time…maybe Captain America? I wish more of Marvel’s events would follow this example. You didn’t have to buy a zillion tie-ins to follow the story. And come on, it’s DOOM !!!

Secret Wars proved what Marvel and DC still don’t belive to this day. That just because we know the end of a story doesn’t mean we don’t want to see how the story got there. The resolution of SW came out the same month that issue two came out (or, for some titles, issue one) and yet the fans bought it and read it anyway.

It didn’t make my list (because I consider it a “mini-series” and not a “storyline”, same reason I didn’t vote for Watchmen, V for Vendetta, etc.) but I am glad it is here.

And, there is more to it than Hulk holding up a mountain and Doom defeating the Beyonder, although those are both high points. And, there is more to it than fighting. I knew who less than half of the characters were the first time I read it and wasn’t lost or wondering, “who is this guy? Why is he acting this way?” (For the record, I knew Spider-Man, Captain America, Hulk, Mr Fantastic, Human Torch, Thing, Storm, Nightcrawler, Dr Doom, Dr Octopus, Kang and the Lizard.)

There is also Reed, Cap and Cyclops in the war room discussing stragety. Why did it take until Secret Invasion for Cyclops to be recognized as a tactitian by any other writer? No clue, but there he is working with Cap of all people.

There is Jim Rhodes trying to keep his identity a secret from people who “know” that it is Tony in the Iron Man armor. And, him still discovering what the armor’s capabilities are.

This is where it was revealed that Magneto considered himself a hero, and Doom considered himself a villain. And, along those lines, we get to see the Avengers accept Rogue on their side even while she is considering defecting to Doom.

This is where Colossus broke up with Kitty Pryde.

Again, there is more to the mini-series than a fight scene. We also see downtime on both sides of the war. I believe that if this exact same story were to be told today, with the same level of characterization and development in around the fight scenes, it would be at least four times as long.

Theno

I don’t know if someone said it already, but it would be funny to see how many of the storylines in the Top 100 best would also show in the Top 100 WORST Storylines. I would definitely vote for Rebirth for that, for example.

Since a lot of us love the lists, maybe Brian will consider it.

And the snarkiest comment can be chosen as the description! It’s not a bad idea.

Omar Karindu, with the power of SUPER-hypocrisy!

December 9, 2009 at 10:13 am

Secret War and Hush actually make for a rather good comparison in some ways. Neither story is ever going to be mistaken for high art, but SW comes as close as anything to making a virtue of its workmanlike nature, while Hush really doesn’t. They’re both essentially “every big name” stories, as much galleries of marketable properties as they are narratives, and both introduce new “mystery” characters who drive the plot with cookie-cutter motivations.

The difference, in one respect, is that “Hush” tried to take, er, Hush seriously as a character, and in many ways that’s why it falls apart. The kind of character a story like this requires is not going to be developed, because said character is at the mercy of the grinding mechanics of getting Famous Character A into a scene with Famous Character B.

The Beyonder worked because there just wasn’t anything to him in the first mini other than the mere mechanics of it; he was a deus ex machina who acted like a deus ex machina. With Hush, we were given something pretending to be an actual plot with weight and twists and such…and the character’s just too insubstantial, the plot too much an excuse, for that ever to have worked out. In the end, Loeb just muddles up what should be a far less self-conscious enterprise of letting Jim Lee run wild with the Batman family of characters.

“With Hush, we were given something pretending to be an actual plot with weight and twists and such…and the character’s just too insubstantial, the plot too much an excuse, for that ever to have worked out. In the end, Loeb just muddles up what should be a far less self-conscious enterprise of letting Jim Lee run wild with the Batman family of characters.”

That’s a good point, and probably explains why I like Hush, the character, but am fairly neutral about Hush, the story. Paul Dini, working without the pretenses of a mystery or an event, took the time to actually make the character, well, a character.

It’s also interesting how little the storyline actually mattered in the long run. Aside from the Catwoman/Batman relationship advancing to another level…what changes stuck around? Sure, poor Harold is still dead, but he hadn’t been in the books for a few years, anyway.

I didn’t vote for any of these, but I’m happy to see all of them (except maybe Hush, I’d have to reread that to see how I feel about it, I remember it as ‘okay’).

I am not a Hal Jordan fan but really enjoyed Rebirth. Great sense of high stakes and a “big event” feel, with some of my favorite art of the past decade.

If this is Hellblazer’s only appearance on the list, it’s a worthy one (but I still recommend my Hellblazer vote, Delano’s first long-running story, 4-12, for anyone studying John Constantine 101. It includes the real creepy Newcastle issue!

The Brotherhood of Dada are my favorite Doom Patrol villains, or maybe my fave Morrison villains in general.

Secret Wars. Hey, my inner 12-year old is happy to see it here!

This list remains fun and unpredictable! Keep ‘em coming!

another 5/5 day for me.

painting that ate paris- of course i enjoyed it, as i did with all morrison back then. though i am surprised to see it on here, as i thought crawling from the wreckage was better, and with that placing so low, i didn’t think we’d see any more doom patrol. but it’s definitely top 100 material.

dangerous habits- loved it, almost made my top ten. one of the last i had to cut, along with miracleman: olympus, wolverine miniseries, starman: sins of the father, flash: return of barry allen, and superman: whatever happened to the man of tomorrow. the one problem with dangerous habits is that the first 2/3 of it are a bit slow, but then part 5 is one of the best issues of its era.

rebirth- well, i was a big kyle rayner fan, so i disliked rebirth on prinicpal. but then i read it, and… i disliked it even more. i have no problems with retcons when they’re well done. in fact, really well done retcons often rank among my favorite stories. but this retcon was just too forced. the whole “parallax as a yellow demon” thing was ridiculous even for cosmic superhero comics. it had nice art though. my favorite dc characters are two former sidekicks trying to be their own person (wally west and dick grayson), and two former nobodies thrust into the hero thing and trying to figure out if they can do it (jack knight and kyle rayner). the fact that geoff johns has basically ruined/replaced two of these four characters… well, it irks me. i am, by nature, a very nostalgic person. but when nostalgia takes precedent over change, then it becomes a problem. with both of johns’ rebirth minis, he has undone positive change and replaced it with nostalgia. when johns is just the writer of an ongoing series (jsa, flash, teen titans), i enjoy his work. but every time he tries to do an “event,” i think he takes the concept of “give the people what they want” a wee bit too far.

secret wars- i have no problem with it being on here. is it particularly well written or well drawn? no, not really. but in general jim shooter is a good writer and mike zeck is a good artist, so it’s nice to have them on the list at least. secret wars has two things going for it- first, it’s on here for the same reason as knightfall and death of superman: it brought a hell of a lot of readers to comics for the first time when they were probably 10-12, and they still remember how much they enjoyed, no matter that it doesn’t hold up. and second, quality be damned, secret wars is extremely important and influential within the comic book medium. it’s the first time that either of the big two had an “event” that brought all of their best characters together. (and i don’t think we’ll be seeing infinity gauntlet. people are voting for event comics for one of three reasons: nostalgia (secret wars, knightfall, death of superman), quality (crisis, identity crisis, age of apocalypse), or recentness/fresh in the memory (civil war, house of m, final crisis). since infinity gauntlet was not recent, not good, and didn’t bring people into comics, i don’t see how it gets many votes.

hush- like secret wars, i knew we’d see it. while it’s not “good,” i did enjoy it, partially because jim lee’s art is what got me into comics, and i can still at least vaguely like anything he does. his art even got me to finish reading all-star batman and robin instead of lighting it on fire. the man just has power over me. but like a lot of comics these days, hush definitely places “cool” as a more important quality than, well, “quality.” and even though i enjoyed it on some small level, it never would have sniffed my own list, even if we were allowed to each vote for a top 100. like a handful of other things on this list, even if it’s not awful, it hurts to imagine someone picking it in their ten best. fascinating though that it’s only the second storyline we’ve seen with no first place votes. the other (who killed retro girl) ranked #100.

in all the predictions of what’s to come, nobody’s mentioned squadron supreme or the power of iron man (alcoholism saga). do people think we’re too high for them to show up at this point? i don’t see either of them making the top 20, but i still think they could show up in the next 2-3 days. iron man should benefit from a lot of people having read it/reread it recently due to the movie, and squadron supreme i think should benefit from getting a good number of first and second place votes.

I can see why people are suprised that Hush made this list, and I don’t blame them. Same with Secret Wars, which had some cool moments but felt like it was written by a ten-year old. Great nostalgia, the height of Shooter’s Marvel of the 80s, and that’s about it for me.

I have to pop in here and defend GL:Rebirth, though. While I didn’t vote for it, I can totally see why people love it, and why it deserves to be on this list. It did the wonderfully amazing thing of uncoiling the complete mess of a character that Hal Jordan had become. Johns didn’t take the easy way out- “It was my evil twin brother/clone/shape-changer,” or “let’s go back in time and prevent it from happening,” or any other copout way of redeeming this character- he WROTE his way out of it. Separated the Spectre entity and Parallax, established the “fear entity Parallax ” which also explained the Green Lantern weakness to yellow, and completely laid the groundwork for all of Johns’ landmark run on GL. It also brought back Sinestro and Guy Gardner (and fixed them, too), and was chalk-full of great moments:

- Hal and Kyle Rayner “officially” meeting for the first time
- Green Arrow using a power ring (and trying to remember the oath, unsuccessfully)
- Hal noticing he’s bleeding again, and smiling.

Throw in the absolutely incredible, career-defining art of Ethan Van Sciver and you have a winner. Was it convoluted? Absolutely. It couldn’t happen any other way. But by the time it all ended, the Green Lantern mythos was ready to take off again (no pun intended). Just classic stuff.

Secret Wars was decent. I loved it when it was coming out. I especially loved that you had an idea how things were going to end up and you could enjoy the story of how they got there. My favorite Secret Wars change- She-Hulk joining the FF. That was sheer wonderful!

Oddly enough, when Strangers in Paradise did exactly the same gimmick later it was all I needed to drop the book.

I’ll defend Rebirth over Hush at least – although I do not think Rebirth deserves as high a place as it got, there’s a strong case to be made for it because it, more than anything Johns had done prior to that point, really sets the tone and the bar for DC comics for, well, continuing to this point really. Its a story that is, in hindsight, the mission statement for a distinct era for DC.

Hush? Secret Wars? These are not even in the top 1000 comic book storylines. But that’s just my opinion. Take it for what it’s worth: nothing.

Brian Cronin–I’m curious; I voted for the Decreator storyline from Doom Patrol. It’s included in the TPB pictured here. Were those votes folded in to this storyline?

I’m just wondering if I might see it later on in the countdown.

Thanks for all your work!

HUSH is seriously bloody terrible.

Well, this list is pretty much worthless to me at this point…guess I’ll keep reading it but so far there is way too much crap in it. But I guess that is what you get whenever you do any internet voting.

Well, this list is pretty much worthless to me at this point

What was worth to you before Hush and GL: Rebirth (or whatever it was that you don’t like) showed up on it (and I’m not try to be snarky…I’m legitimately curious).

If a list like this is “worth it” because it may introduce you to something you haven’t read, then it’s still “worth” that; the presence of stories you don’t like doesn’t demean the worth, because you’ve already read them and know you don’t like them. And if there’s something on the list you haven’t read yet (maybe Morrison’s Doom Patrol) would you seriously not read it just because it’s on the same list of people’s favorite stories as something you don’t like?

I’m seriously not trying to be an ass; I’m genuinely curious about what you intended to take away from this list. For me, it’s an opportunity to learn or be reminded of stories I might enjoy that I haven’t read yet or remember fondly stories I have read and enjoyed. The presence on the list of stuff I didn’t like, regardless of its placement, doesn’t take away from that.

I’m seriously disappointed too. There are limits to nostalgia. Or at least, there should be.

I get it. There is a certain “marvelness” to Secret Wars that is very enjoyable. But should it be in the Top 100 storylines of all time? Hell, no!

GL: Rebirth… take it from me. To someone who isn’t a partisan of Hal or Kyle or Guy or any specific character, and has no stake on the aftereffects, Rebirth is just a fun superhero story. It’s not the height of superhero comics, and it’s not an atrocity. It’s just a story.

I’m okay with Dangerous Habits, though. For some reason, I like Ennis’s Constantine stories more than his later “physically tough cowboy anti-hero series.”

Another one I’ve read! I’m not surprised to see Secret Wars on this list, but I did not expect it to be so high.
I missed three issues when it first came out, but I managed to get two of them in the early ’90s when we finally got a comic-book store in this area. But I was never able to get #12, so I had no clear idea of how it ended (although I knew certain things because of how it affected other series). By sheer luck I accidentally came across #12 last month, for only 99 cents! (It’s six dollars at the comics book store, which is higher than I was willing to go.) So it’s pretty fresh in my mind right now.
I think it’s better than a lot of people are giving it credit for. Some of the fights do seem to be just filling time, and the last few pages do seem rushed, but there is some decent character stuff.
And a lot of important changes did happen. In addition to the stuff mentioned by others, this was the debut of the Julia Carpenter Spider-Woman, who seems to be largely forgotten now, but was a pretty good character. Also, Titania first appeared, and began her romance with the Absorbing Man and her rivalry with She-Hulk. AS far as I’ve seen, she is still the best female muscle-thug at Marvel. The series was also a huge step in Magneto’s rehabilitation to becoming a good guy (temporarily), although I think it seemed kind of forced. The X-Men seemed to trust him too willingly considering they hadn’t really fought on the same side yet.

Dangerous Habits (my #7) is the second one on my top ten to chart (Swamp Thing: Love and Death -my #!1 was the first).

I am glad to see that the toy-line promoting Secret Wars scored higher than Final Crisis.

“The only people who have a problem with Rebirth are Kylelovers which just like Morrisonites this place is full of, which won’t surprise me when what is without a doubt the worst GL story ever told Emerald Twilight makes the top 100 and people praise it as being somehow good.”

God freaking dang it, do we have to have a post like this every single day of this list?

For the last freaking time, making broad, baseless generalizations about other posters is counter-productive to any sort of constructive discussion. It would be just as useless as if I said, “The only people who liked Rebirth are whiny Hal Jordan fans who couldn’t get over Emerald Twilight after over a decade.”

Wow. Morrison is going to dominate even more than it already looked. My attempts to predict the top 40 have failed twice now as I was not expecting another Doom Patrol or that Green Lantern comic.

This isn’t the best day for me stats-wise. Two stories I haven’t read which are probably pretty good. And three I have read which are certainly mediocre at best (though I am admittedly a big fan of Secret Wars; still it’s not good per se; it’s what I would consider the definition of mediocre)

@EJ~ plenty of people have a problem with rebirth who are not Kylelovers. It’s a pretty blah story by most standards.

I don’t believe Emerald Twilight will be in the top 100, although I don’t think I can predict a lot with certainty at this point. I enjoyed Emerald Twilight because I never cared too much about the Hal Jordan character, and because it was intense, it surprised me at the time.

Even though I enjoyed it, it was clearly rushed and editorially mandated, and I don’t believe it belongs in this list, like Hush, SW and Rebirth. One of the problems that I have with Rebirth was already mentioned by Daniel, which is when nostalgia wins over change. GL and Flash are not icons as big as Superman and Batman, and change can actually stick, and it did for a long time, even more so with Wally West as Flash. But then a writer too dominated by nostalgia goes ahead and changes everything back as when he was little, backed up by an editor that thinks the same way and that is also aware of the big amount of nostalgia driven readers that will buy it.

I understand that people that did have Hal as one of his favourite characters got mad with Emerald Twilight and all that followed, it’s something logical and that would happen to me if it was done with a character that I appreciated (like Kyle or Wally), but once the change is done, I just believe that it’s best to evolve and go with the change, and start building from there. It’s too late for Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, etc, but it wasn’t impossible in this case.

I also don’t believe that the only people that have problems with Rebirth are Kyle lovers, because it was a pretty lousy retcon even if you didn’t like Kyle. But then again, I’m a Kyle lover (that sounds strange, too… sexual), and I suppose I am also a Morrisonite, although I don’t think he shits golden turds.

Even though Morrison wrote my favourite comic (Invisibles) and I believe him to be the best comic writer along with Moore, my list was somewhat balanced. 3 Morrison, 3 Moore, 1 Ellis, 1 Ennis, 1 Gaiman, 1 Miller.

Sorry for the double post but this really made me laugh while at work:

“For the last freaking time, making broad, baseless generalizations about other posters is counter-productive to any sort of constructive discussion. It would be just as useless as if I said, “The only people who liked Rebirth are whiny Hal Jordan fans who couldn’t get over Emerald Twilight after over a decade.”

Great response E. Wilson!

@JoeMac~ CoIE and Infinity Gauntlet will certainly make the list and deservedly so. They are big events whose strength lies in their “eventness” but are at least well-crafted stories.

@Amir ~ Long Halloween is good. Loeb is better when doing a nicely contained story drawn by Tim Sale than one writing some big random “event” comic drawn by some random “hot” artist.

“Long Halloween is good. Loeb is better when doing a nicely contained story drawn by Tim Sale than one writing some big random “event” comic drawn by some random “hot” artist.”

See, I feel the opposite way; I don’t think any of them are particularly strong stories, but I like “Hush” better than “Long Halloween”, or any of the Marvel color series; the Loeb/Sale team produces work that just puts me to sleep.

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The main difference between Barry and Hal is that Barry was disposed off in a way that was extremely respectiful to the character. But what they did to Hal was yet another example of the crap that was the early-to-mid 1990s in mainstream superhero comics.

In any case, I take your point, but I’ve long ago despaired of change “sticking” in Marvel/DC. They were doing this awkward retcon stuff as far back as the 1960s, when Professor X wasn’t really dead, it was the “Changeling” that had died in his place.

@E. Wilson ~ With respect to some of them, it’s just different tastes then. I think Long Halloween and For All Seasons are great comics I tend to recommend. The Marvel color books are different as they’re so marketing-driven.

“Hey Loeb/Sale, can you do something like that for Marvel?” So they make Daredevil: Yellow, which I think is fine, but inferior to, say, Man Without Fear. But then they continued to milk it and milk it. So fair enough on those.

I’ll say this for “Secret Wars”: I really wasn’t familiar with Marvel Comics, other than Spider-Man, before picking up the first issue. Yet I immediately “got” who the Fantastic Four, the Avengers, the X-Men and even the Hulk were after just a few pages, and I wanted to read more. It’s hard to think of an “event” comic of the last twenty years that stands up as such a fun “gateway” for new fans — even if it was published to sell toys.

Rene, well yes, you are correct, that’s a rather important difference that I wasn’t considering. Hal definitely did not get a respectfull sendoff, while Barry’s death actually brought tears to my eyes when my pre-teen self read it, because it was true hero death, but I still stand to my point that you need to stick to the change if it was something massive. I don’t mind retcons of rather small things, but things like both Rebirths will always bother me.

But I’m completely fine with people enjoying them, and It’s not like I have a thorn on my side, it’s just how things are. And well, now I also share the thought that change will never really stick in Marvel or DC if it’s something affecting a very known character, but for some years I believed it.

The entitled Internet user in me who feels personally betrayed when stories I don’t like make it into a countdown wants to whine. The adult in me wants to enjoy the countdown as a fun diversion that has the potential to generate interesting discussion and point me towards some stories I may have missed. I’ll just take a knee and see what the next batch of five brings.

I am now starting to have doubts that beloved Goodwin/Simonson Manhunter is even going to make the list given we are more than halfway through. Oh well, while there is life, there is hope.

Some real stinkers in this batch (and no, it’s not “denying others the right to their opinion” when you’re just stating yours in that you disagree with them).

The only positive thing I can say about Hush is that it’s the first time I ever looked at a piece of Jim Lee art and said “Hey! I don’t actively consider this hideous! In fact I might even kind of like the way it looks.” Can’t really argue with anyone’s complaints about the story, though.

Secret Wars was another of my Big Marvel Disillusionment Moments, driving me to up my DC purchases and cut back on the company I had been such a Marvel Zombie for since childhood. Blech.

I have no arguments with the Ennis Hellblazer pick. It’s Ennis on Hellblazer, what’s to argue about?

GL Rebirth is a clunky, rickety, clumsy heap of plot-scaffolding contrived to get Hal back in the GL top spot. The best I can say about it is it’s sort-of-almost-excusable if editorial had decreed his return and a way had to be found to do so within continuity, but calling it a great story is a massive stretch. Also, Parallax looks like Beavis in several panels in the original floppies (which I swear were altered in the trades…).

At least one of my all-time favourites, from probably my favourite Morrison run ever, rounds this out. Morrison’s Doom Patrol brought back to me the joy my younger self had experienced when first introduced to the glorious weirdness of Gerber’s 70s heyday (Defenders, Man-Thing, Howard etc.), and convinced me at the time that maybe giving up on Big 2 comics was premature.

When I voted Doom Patrol – The Painting that Ate Paris my #1 I didn’t expected it so high in the list. I’m so glad! Until now I’ve scored two in the list. The other is Miracleman: Olympus.

As predicted, here comes the Loeb! I wonder if this means Superman/Batman: Public Enemies has a chance, for good or bad.

Only one in this batch that I read and enjoyed was The Painting that ate Paris. Part because I read it close to when it was released, part because it’s really good. I would say it’s the start of the really weird stuff in the run, but at the same time, it has appearances by the Justice League and Superman, so it has that “Vertigo but not today’s Vertigo” feeling to it that’s kinda nice. Love the exchange between Robotman and Animal Man, and the ideas behind each of the antagonists are pretty original.

Read Rebirth, Hush and Secret Wars. Just felt meh about them, but I will grant Secret Wars that it has stood the test of time while the other two probably wouldn’t appear in the poll in a decade or so. Hush is just Loeb being Loeb, and Rebirth is the power of nostalgia unleashed; IMO the best part in both cases is the art.

LouReedRichards

December 9, 2009 at 5:01 pm

Like a lot of people my age, Secret Wars was my basic entry into the deeper Marvel Universe, up till then I only read G.I. Joe.

So for that it has my deepest appreciation, it helped turn me into a comics obsessive, but I wouldn’t consider it a great story by any stretch.

For instance issue 7 has the big fight between Titania and She Hulk, Titania beats her up and promises that she’ll make her lick her boots – BUT WE NEVER GET TO SEE IT HAPPEN!!!

That was a very cruel thing to do to a 12 year old boy.

Don’t tell, show, show damnitt! – oh well I guess I could still commission a sketch of it or something.

Oh yeah and the action figures were cool as hell – never underestimate how much all that crappy merchandise helps snag young readers

Never read Hush, Jim Lee drawing Batman still strikes me as a bad idea.

“The Jeph Loeb hate tends to stem from him being a profoundly terrible writer”
*laughs* You must be thinking of some other Batman writers.

“That was quite likely the worst Batman story I’ve ever read*
*cough* As The Crow Flies *cough*

I have to say this. Compared to some of today’s entries, “Mutant Massacre” is a Shakespearean play.

I’ll have to kill myself if “Secret Invasion” or “Final Crisis” make the list. And I don’t want to, I’m too young to die.

If the “Clone Saga” or “Avengers Disassembled” make it, I’ll shoot my entire family too.

Secret Wars and Hush? Really? I mean, Hush is the best thing Loeb has ever done without McGuinness or Sale, but it shouldn’t be in the top 40 like that. And Secret Wars is just mediocre. It’s the ultimate in pointless crossover. It’s a neat read but lacks any semblance of depth. Both are things that I wouldn’t have batted an eye at were they in the bottom half, but this is ridiculous. Ah, well. The rest are solid choices, though I only know DP by reputation.

you’ve forgotten one of the best moments from Secret Wars – Spidey beating the X-Men on his own!! You wouldn’t see that nowadays!

Final Crisis already made it, ooops. I meant Infinite Crisis.

I suspect Infinite Crisis stands a good chance still, Rene. But don’t kill yourself.

Secret Invasion I’m beginning to suspect won’t. I hope I’m right.

I wouldn’t worry about Disassembled, but I’ll tell you what.

If Bendis’ quote-story-endquote from Avengers #500-503 makes the list, I promise to never post about comics on the internet again.

What a bunch of elitist pricks. I don’t agree with a lot of these, but this is obviously what people think of when they think of comic book storylines. Maybe everyone didn’t read the same underground crap as you did, but don’t fault people for voting for something. I mean I would have liked to have seen a Grimjack or a Jon Sable or a Nexus story on the list, but it’s probably not going to happen. Hopefully people can get over themselves and just take it for what it is. A list of stories people read and were fond of. That’s all.

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on principal, i agree with you. this is just a list of stories people were fond of. i’ve agreed with some of it and disagreed with some of it, but i’ve resisted the urge to really get mad about anything. but the problem is, this list won’t spontaneously disappear in a week once we’re all done digesting it. it’ll still be here, coming up on google searches for “best comic book stories” years from now. so when that happens, and people see that schlock like hush and house of m are allegedly in the 50 best comic book stories ever, it demeans the entire medium. clearly everyone that actively checks this site and posts here is a fairly serious comic book fan, and, that being the case, we should all feel some vague obligation to not sully the reputation of the medium anymore than it has been over the last 70 years. voting for stuff like house of m isn’t helping our case. while it’s true that my own votes didn’t go to the 10 “greatest” comic book stories ever, i can at least say that all 10 stories i voted for are things which i feel represent the great work and potential being harnessed in comic books. can the people that voted for hush say that?

Today’s list definitely helped my read/not-read ratio, as this is the first one with 5 “reads”: bringing my total to Read: 30, Not Read: 35.

Four from my list have shown up (A Game of You, The Painting that Ate Paris, Rock of Ages, Final Crisis), three more are locks, and the last three are dark horses of varying plausibility.

My ‘score’ this time is that I think 2 are deserving… another 1 I liked but I’m not sure it deserves this level of praise and the other 2 I haven’t read.

I read The Painting that Ate Paris yesterday and it was amazing. What a bizarre, fun, creative piece of work. I wasn´t into Morrison before since I didn´t like All Star Superman, The Filth, Final Crisis or the first 4 issues of Animal Man. But since Doom Patrol gets a lot of love and I saw a lot of interesting ideas in those books, I checked out Doom Patrol from the library and I am sold on the genius of it. I didn´t like Crawling from the Wreckage very much, but the Painting that Ate Paris has so much energy and creativity. I love it.

Hush? Really? Pretty looking, yes, jam-packed with cameos, sure, but a best storyline nod? Absolute bunk.

I read all the way down the list of comments just because I was curious what possible justification people had for picking “Secret Wars”. That series was nothing more than the most transparent marketing scam comics had ever seen up to that point. At the time, I dropped out of Marvel entirely because of this series. Considering everything else that was happening in the mid-80′s, like the rise of new independents like First and Eclipse and an astonishing improvement at DC (partly thanks to Shooter driving Colan, Moench, Miller and Thomas to defect), Secret Wars was a low-point for the decade and represented everything that was wrong about Marvel and the Shooter era. The story was a thin excuse to gather all the characters together for cross-marketing purposes, and the art was incredibly bland and lackluster.
Nostalgia alone isn’t a good reason to vote for something on this list. Some of the things I liked when I was 12 have not stood the test of time; surely some of you can admit the same.

Some of the things I liked when I was 12 have not stood the test of time; surely some of you can admit the same.

Well, yeah, sure, some (most) of the stuff I liked when I was 12 hasn’t stood the test of time; doesn’t mean I still don’t like it, flaws and all.

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