They should totally bring Jason Todd back. He’s bad@$$. Would you catch Grayson or Drake doing that?

hahahahahha Josh DC would NEVER do that! After all the fans voted him dead…*falls off chair laughing*

How strong was Mongul back in the day to be able to go toe to toe with pre-Crisis Superman?

As for the Jason Todd-as-bad-ass, I don’t think Moore really cared either way…had Dick Grayson been Robin, I doubt it would have changed anything…

Wait, they brought back Jason Todd? Please. Next thing you know, they’ll bring back Bucky.

How strong was Mongul back in the day to be able to go toe to toe with pre-Crisis Superman?

Strong enough to go toe-to-toe with Superman.

Stronger than Superman. It was outright stated in his appearance in Legion of Super-Heroes IIRC

One of the few Alan Moore that I hadn’t read until collected in the “Best of Alan Moore — something” in the DCU.
Terrific stuff.

Wait, they brought back Jason Todd? Please. Next thing you know, they’ll bring back Bucky.

Christopher Reeve will be next. You mark my words!

I’m telling you, the pre-Crisis Jason Todd should come back from oblivion and choke the post-Crisis resurrected Jason Todd to death and feed his body to Killer Croc.

another story i was waiting to see on the list and it wound up in the top tier. for loved the look on Monguls face when the black mercy got returned to him

Heh, I just saw the cartoon version of this yesterday. I like that one better >_> I actually cried a bit when Superman told his son he had to go.

I HATE this moment, actually. It’s my main gripe with Moore’s work, in that the hero of the piece never deals the final blow. In fact, he loses most of the time and some other side character ends up saving him. (See: Miracleman, Smax, Top Ten [assuming Smax was the hero of the piece, since it was kind of built up to be his fight], and, of course, this.)

It’s an unbelievably shallow complaint, and I get why he does it, but still, on a very superficial fanboy level, it irks me.

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Wait, they brought back Jason Todd? Please. Next thing you know, they’ll bring back Bucky.

Well, the Winter Soldier on Ed Brubaker’s run on Captain America WAS Bucky .

Tom Fitzpatrick
One of the few Alan Moore that I hadn’t read until collected in the “Best of Alan Moore — something” in the DCU.
Terrific stuff.

“DC Universe : the stories of Alan Moore”

Jeremy
Heh, I just saw the cartoon version of this yesterday. I like that one better >_> I actually cried a bit when Superman told his son he had to go.

Me too .

Er, I know that Strider…I was being sarcastic. Not sure if you were being sarcastic also

Yeah, I admit I really liked the Justice League animated version of this story as well…

Maybe I’m just being too harsh on Jason, but the “aw no…after I worked out how to get up here” line comes across as whining a bit (comically, granted) and seems like something Dick or Tim wouldn’t have said. Especially since it wasn’t THAT hard to figure out how to get up there.

I dunno. I feel like if it was Dick, I wouldn’t have given it a second thought, but knowing it was Jason, I was like “aw, quitcher whining…”

The JLU Animated version of this is just terrific. Especially the way it shows Batman’s greatest fantasy; as I recall, Mr. Wayne grabs the gun out of the robber’s hand and tosses it aside, and then starts mercilessly beating him, just past the edge of going too far. Excellent moment.

Is the story the only time Gibbons drew a Superman feature?

Everyone keep in mind, this was the original Jason Todd. The unapologetic Dick Grayson knock off whose trapeze-artist family was with the same circus the Flying Grayson’s were once with.

Two things I liked better about this issue over the JLU episode: Robin’s role in the story and “Whom would it be polite to kill first?”

Two things I liked better about the JLU episode: the changes to Superman’s dream world and the gifts from Batman and Wonder Woman. Reading the comic it just didn’t seem right that Batman gave Superman a flower.

One of the five best Superman stories ever. It gets right to the heart of the character.

“Almost intelligent, huh?” is probably the moment of the whole story for me.

The lack of that line in the JLU adaptation is just one item on a long list of reasons why I find it mind-boggling that anyone could prefer the episode to the comic.

Is the story the only time Gibbons drew a Superman feature?

As far as I know, though he did draw Supes on the cover of the first issue of Action Comics Weekly and IIRC he did the Super Soldier Amalgam one-shot that mixed Superman with Captain America.

Great story, although I always thought Mongul took Wonder Woman out a bit too easily. She’s a tougher ass-kicker than that.

@ Rebis,

This was pre-Crisis Wonder Woman. She wasn’t much stronger than any other Amazon…about the same level as Spider-Man. It wasn’t until George Perez’s reboot that she became as strong as Superman.

pre-Crisis Wonder Woman was that weak? Ouch.

That, but also Pre-Crisis Mongul was that strong.

Pre-Crisis Mongul was basically Thanos in the DCU. A lesser Darkseid, so to speak (they even gave him his own world; man, now that I think of it, what a rip-off!).

And I would say this moment is missing the one page to be perfect, and you probably know which one.

“Happy Birthday, Kryptonian.
I give you oblivion.”

“BURN”

I have to say really do LOVE this moment. I believe that in JLU it was better. But I do like Jason’s having a part here.

“Burn” was a previous YoCCB moment.

This was Jason post-COIE reboot and he was a whiney brat which why we all voted to kill his ass.

@ David: This is Pre-COIE. As I posted earlier this Jason was an unapologetic Dick Grayson rip-off.

lol, it’s funny to read all of you saying that Jason will never return.

Burroman: You get that they’re being sarcastic, right? I mean, clearly not, but they are.

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