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Comic Book Legends Revealed #247

Welcome to the two-hundred and forty-seventh in a series of examinations of comic book legends and whether they are true or false. Click here for an archive of the previous two hundred and forty-six.

Comic Book Legends Revealed is part of the larger Legends Revealed series, where I look into legends about the worlds of entertainment and sports, which you can check out here, at legendsrevealed.com. I’d especially recommend you check out this installment of Play Legends Revealed to find out which actor actually pretended to be British to get a gig on Broadway, what famous playwright got his start in the pages of Weird Tales and just who was it that coined the term “robot”?

Let’s begin!

COMIC LEGEND: Wally Wood did a particularly racy prank while working on an issue of Weird Science-Fantasy.

STATUS: True

DISCLAIMER: By “racy,” I mean there’s going to be some nudity involved here. Feel free to skip to the next legend if you’re put off by the showing of nudity.

The gang of artists working at EC Comics during the 1950s were a pretty loose bunch, and one of the ways they particularly liked to mess around was through the use of “pasteovers,” little pieces of art that would be pasted over the REAL artwork, for comedic effect, like pasting over the title of a story “She Married a Man Who Gave Her No Love,” with “She Married a Man With No Balls At All” to see if they could shock the editor who is reading the story. And, at the same time, perhaps try to see how far the gag could go before the editor (or someone) realized what was going on.

In any event, the great Bhob Stewart, author of the brilliant book about Wally Wood from TwoMorrows, Against the Grain: Mad Artist Wallace Wood (which I believe is sadly out of print at the moment, which is a real shame), actually managed to come across one of these pasteovers!!!

Here is one of the pasteovers…

The pasteover goes along with Weird Science-Fantasy #23.

Here’s the page as it was originally printed…

Now here’s how the pasteover would have gone…

So the idea would be that Al Feldstein (or maybe even Bill Gaines himself) would be reading the story with everything looking normal and then…BAM! And Wood would get a laugh, and then they’d take the pasteover off and the book would be printed as intended.

Apparently, the EC guys did this frequently, but as you might imagine, you don’t often come across the original pasteovers, so it’s really cool that we are able to see this glimpse into the atmosphere of the EC Comics “bullpen” of the 1950s.

Thanks so much to Bhob Stewart, who has a really wonderful website called Potrzebie that you should really check out (here is a link), for the pasteover image and the information behind it! If you check his site out here, he does the pasteover so perfectly that it matches exactly as how it would have looked in 1954. I didn’t feel right using that here, as that was a lot of work on Bhob’s part.

COMIC LEGEND: Sauron was created as a way to get around the Comics Code ban of werewolves.

STATUS: False

Reader Joe wrote in the other day with the following:

I came across the following info on the Wikipedia page for the X-Men villain Sauron:

“He was created in response to the Comic Code Authority’s prohibition on the use of werewolves: instead of becoming a werewolf, Karl Lykos (whose name is a deliberate reference to lycanthropy) becomes a were-pteradon In this form, he is an energy vampire who often inhabits the hidden prehistoric jungle the Savage Land.”

While I love the idea of Roy Thomas and Neal Adams sneaking aspects of vampirism and werewolfism into comic books despite of (or to spite) the comics code authority, the source that the Wikipedia links to just repeats the same story without any citation. So, is this story true?

Short answer is no.

The long answer is, yes, partially (in only that the citation mentions vampires, and that’s what it’s about).

From Tom DeFalco’s brilliant Comic Creators On… series of books (the X-Men one), here’s Neal Adams talking Sauron…

There were things you couldn’t do because of the Comics Code Authority in those days. For instance, the Comics Code Authority wouldn’t let you put a vampire in a comic book story. So I wondered if it was possible to come up with a character that was just like a vampire, but would still pass the Comics Code Authority. If you look at Sauron, he’s basically a vampire, but an energy vampire. What is blood? Blood is energy. It’s what makes your body move. He takes your energy our of your body and you look all wrinkled. I couldn’t have him turn into a bat because that was too obvious. What else flies and has leathery wings? A pterodactyl. Okay, so a pterodactyl bites somebody. He gets sick and seems to die. But he comes back to life by drawing energy from someone else. Sauron was basically a vampire and the Comics Code never spotted it.

Now, of course, when it comes to Adams/Thomas X-Men, there’s great differences between the two on just who came up with what, but there isn’t really any argument on what the deal with Sauron – he was, indeed, a wink wink nudge nudge vampire (he also was named after a Lord of the Rings character, which Thomas once said got Marvel an angry phone call from Tolkien’s representatives).

So vampire, not a werewolf, although I suppose, sure, Lykos DOES mean “wolf,” so the werewolf connection is not COMPLETELY out of left field or anything, but really, he’s supposed to be a vampire riff, not a werewolf one.

What interests me, really, is that the source Joe referred to in his e-mail is an article from this past October by Owen Vaughan that appeared on the UK Times’ online edition (it’s such a long piece that I doubt it appeared in the print edition) titled “Jacko tried to buy Spider-man: 70 facts you didn’t know about Marvel”

And #52 is:

The Comics Code Authority forbade the use of werewolves in comics so Marvel writers had to come up with ingenious ways of including the classic villain archetype. For X-Men No 60 (1969) Roy Thomas and Neal Adams created Sauron, a were-pterodactyl to get round the code.

So that’s where the problem comes from, but what’s interesting is that this here column is heavily cited in the piece. In fact, at one point (from around #6 to #24) 16 out of 19 facts are taken directly from past Comic Book Legends Revealed (I probably would have spread them out a bit more). Don’t get me wrong, at the end of the article, Vaughan cites the column (and me by name), so it’s all good, it was just weird to see, especially since I had not read the article until Joe sent me the e-mail about it.

In any event, why this is interesting is because BY citing me, Vaughan helped (at least a little bit) to convince the good folks at Wikipedia that the story was, in fact, true, as the fellow who added the bit to Sauron’s Wikipedia entry noted “and the Times cited Brian Cronin’s book on Comic Book Urban Legends.”

So here, I’m effectively debunking a legend that was at least partially substantiated through someone citing me.

That’s pretty funny, right?

Thanks to Joe for the question, and thanks to the great Tom DeFalco for doing his nifty “Comic Creators On…” books, and thanks to Neal Adams for the information! And apologies to Owen Vaughan, I really don’t mean to seem like I’m taking the piss, because that’s not my intent. The same goes for the editor on Wikipedia – the people who put the time into making Wikipedia filled with interesting information are to be lauded – me occasionally pointing out a tiny error is nothing in the grand scheme of how much great AND accurate information is available on Wikipedia!

COMIC LEGEND: Marvel once did a movie adaptation for a movie that ended up not being released in the United States!

STATUS: True Enough (as it was released in a few theaters – just no wide release)

During the late 1970s, Marvel did a number of “Marvel Super Special” editions (effectively Treasury Edition comics, although not all of them were magazine format) adapting a number of major motion pictures.

Since Marvel had to do the adaptations before the movies were released, Marvel really didn’t know which movies would be hits and which ones would not be (well, okay, sequels to major hits are usually a pretty good bet, but otherwise…).

And so they did adaptations of blockbuster films…

But they also did adaptations of films that were not as popular…

And they also did adaptations of films that were total flops (at least upon their initial release)….

But nothing was quite the same as….Rock & Rule…

A film adaptation to a film that was NOT RELEASED IN THE UNITED STATES!!

Yes, you see Rock & Rule was an animated rock and roll film (similar, I suppose, to the original Heavy Metal film, at least that was likely their ambition) by the Canadian animation studio Nelvana.

The film was set to be distributed by MGM in 1983, and Marvel, figuring the movie looked like a decent bet for a hit, signed on to do the adaptation.

However, in 1983, MGM purchased and merged with United Artists, and the ensuing company had totally different personnel – they considered tinkering with the film for a little while before just saying, “No thanks,” and so the film was not released in the United States (some folks have noted that it DID appear in a few theaters, just no widespread release in the US. It actually saw a second small release in 1985 in New York).

So Marvel now had a tie-in comic without a film to tie into!

The book was produced by taking stills from the film and turning it into comic book format.

Here are some sample pages…

Amazingly enough, the sales were not even that terrible on the comic!

Eventually, the film did gain some success in the United States when it was picked up by HBO and Showtime and played in fairly regular rotation (bootleg videos of the film were also popular).

In 2005, an official DVD was released, so now anyone who is interested can easily obtain a copy!

Okay, that’s it for this week!

Thanks to the Grand Comics Database for this week’s covers! And thanks to Brandon Hanvey for the Comic Book Legends Revealed logo!

Feel free (heck, I implore you!) to write in with your suggestions for future installments! My e-mail address is cronb01@aol.com.

As you likely know by now, last April my book finally came out!

Here is the cover by artist Mickey Duzyj. I think he did a very nice job (click to enlarge)…

If you’d like to order it, you can use the following code if you’d like to send me a bit of a referral fee…

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See you all next week!

63 Comments

Did they just use screengrabs for that Rock & Rule adaptation? Doesn’t even look line comic line art.

I had no idea “Rock & Rule” was :

A) Canadian
&
B) Never released in the States

Of course this explains why it was on CBC a lot, as it would have helped meet Canadian Content quotas.

Of course this explains why it was on CBC a lot, as it would have helped meet Canadian Content quotas.

Yeah, that really was it exactly.

Krull was not that popular!??!?!!?

Blasphemy, I say!

Rock and Rule wasn’t bad, but it had an awesome soundtrack, with some very daring choices – Iggy Pop and Lou Reed.
As for the art, it isn’t quite “screen grabs” because that technology was not available yet, but it was based on the cell animation.

“Krull was not that popular!??!?!!?

Blasphemy, I say!”

I’m with ya Blackjack!

Oh and Marvel Super Specials were actually more Magazines than Treasuries.

Oh and Marvel Super Specials were actually more Magazines than Treasuries.

I always figured Treasury and Magazine were synonymous, but now I realize you’re right, they’re probably not.

By the way, I added to the piece the fact that not all of the Super Specials WERE magazine format. Rock and Rule, for instance, was not.

Krull was not that popular!??!?!!?

Blasphemy, I say!

I think you’ll find it pretty hard to argue that it was as popular as For Your Eyes Only and Empire Strikes Back, which is technically all the piece says. ;)

I like reading this column when it makes me feel totally embarrassed to actually own a comic that’s been featured. Yes, I did buy the Sheena adaptation back in the day.

I also own Rock & Rule, but I don’t think I ever realized it wasn’t released in the U.S. It was a good book. And, if I remember correctly, Rock & Rule was a normal sized comic, as opposed to all the other Super Specials that were magazine sized.

And, usually, in addition to the magazine adaptation, Marvel would then immediately re-publish it as a 2-3 issue miniseries. Being the dumb kid that I was, I’d buy both most of the time, like the James Bond one I have (or had) as a magazine AND the mini-series, even though they’re exactly the same. The Empire Strikes Back was also re-published as a little paperback, which I own.

Man I LOVED Rock & Rule! Fire up the fatties, you’re taking me back to my youth!

“[Sauron] also was named after a Lord of the Rings character, which Thomas once said got Marvel an angry phone call from Tolkien’s representatives.”

This is interesting. I’ve read that Tolkein, himself, had at least some loose idea that the universe he was creating might over time gain a life of its own and, like classical mythology, be not only adapted by extended by future generations.

This isn’t exactly an instance of that, but it nonetheless demonstrates the tension between this concept and the desire, by Tolkein himself as well as his estate, to maintain tight ownership/control over the work in perpetuity.

Have your cake or eat it, JRR; pick one or the other. ;-)

Ooops. That should read “…not only adapted BUT extended…”

Rock and Rule looks surprisingly great for something pasted together from screenshots.

Did they also publish Krull in single-issue format? I swear I’ve got that, but it wasn’t a Super Special, it was a #1…

Man, I was just talking about Rock and Rule last week (it was a tangent off of a discussion on Iggy Pop and Debbie Harry, both of whom sang in it – and Angel’s character design is clearly based on Harry).

That was one WEIRD movie, but pretty awesome.

Wow flashback — I loooved Rock & Rule back in the day — I was just starting to get back into comics after having dropped them mostly during high school, and that was one I got off a spinner rack at a drug store. really. I’m not saying it was good, exactly, but the art, based on the animation somehow, was dense and tight and the character designs were appealing. AND it had this great line I’ve never been able to shake:

(a burly bodyguard thug telling somebody to cool it:) “Be good or be dog food.”

Also, the movie adaptions had some gems: I think Al WIlliamson did a bladerunner one, and Bill Sienkevicwskss (you know who I mean) did Dune — which was sooo much better than the actual movie.

Interesting Star Wars tidbit: Nelvana, the studio that did Rock & Rule, also did the animation for the animated portion of the Star Wars Holiday Special which featured the first appearance of Boba Fett.

Also, I haven’t had a chance to read it yet, but I imagine that “Jacko tried to buy Spider-Man” article probably contains some lovely fodder for future “Legends Revealed” columns.

I believe Nelvana also did the Droids and Ewoks cartoons…

Roquefort Raider

February 12, 2010 at 1:23 pm

Say, that’s the uncredited art of Frank Miller on that METEOR cover! The contents page attributed it to Earl Norem. It’s funny to think there was a time when a future star like Miller could be mistaken for someone else!

Reading Brian Hibbs big giant thing about Book Scan this morning, I was suprised to see that comics are still being done in the cel-to-page format. I think Ben 10 was one of the ones he mentioned.

Rock & Rule was the only Super-Special I ever owned. And I had no idea the movie wasn’t released in the US. I knew it never played in my area, but a lot of movies didn’t.

I did know it was Canadian, though. There was a big text piece in the back, all about the making of the film.

Interesting bit about Rock and Rule: they went so far as to completely re-dub the lead male’s voice in the (theatrically) unreleased American version with a different actor. Why? No clue, but both soundtracks are available on the DVD.

I first heard of Rock & Rule on some syndicated TV show that had music videos. They had a brief interview with Lou Reed and showed the ‘My Name Is Mok’ video. That was actually the first time I ever heard of Lou Reed. (And when I read the information in the Super-Special, that was the first time I ever heard of Iggy Pop.)

Great column as ever, Brian, but one thing that always bugs me when our US chums refer to a certain British newspaper – it’s not ‘the London Times’. It’s The Times. If you need to get geographical, ‘Britain’s Times newspaper’, or ‘the UK’s Times’ etc. But The Times is not a newspaper for the city of London alone.

(Like I should care, I work for The Scotsman!)

Ahh, Meteor…i always liked that film!

One of the buildings that collapses in the film was a Peoria, IL hotel that was blown up to make room for new construction. A film crew came to film it for use specifically in the movie.

I recently stumbled across the Meteor issue and picked it up.

And of course, Marvel did an adaptation of Xanadu.

Interesting bit about Rock and Rule: they went so far as to completely re-dub the lead male’s voice in the (theatrically) unreleased American version with a different actor. Why? No clue, but both soundtracks are available on the DVD.

Yeah, what’s that aboot?

I love that Marvel did a Sheena comic, considering that she was an unaffiliated Eisner/Fiction House comics character that they’d already knocked off with Shanna the She-Devil (and Lorna the Jungle Girl, and Jann of the Jungle, and Leopard Girl, and…).

Seeing that cover of the Empire Strikes Back adaptation reminds me of the purple long-haired Yoda.

Sorry, small nitpick:

“However, in 1983, MGM was acquired by United Artists, who considered tinkering with the film for a little while before just saying, “No thanks,” and so the film was not released in the United States!”

In actuality, it was United Artists that was acquired by MGM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Artists#The_1970s_and_1980s); UA was vulnerable after the HEAVEN’S GATE disaster, and MGM didn’t look too close at the books before they signed the agreement. Amidst all the tsuris from the deal (which ultimately leads to Time Warner and Sony ripping apart L. B. Meyer’s baby), it’s easy to see how the deal for ROCK & RULE could have gotten lost amidst all that…

I saw a bootleg copy of Rock and Rule when I was in college. Some of the plot elements were silly as can be expected with musicals, but the songs were great, and it’s a pity that the tunes are not better known parts of the respective artists’ output (especially Lou Reed’s and Deborah Harry’s contributions.)

So Sauron WAS based on vampires? I always wondered WTH did pterodactyls have to do with life-draining (or hypnotic gazes for that matter). Ironically, one of the X-Men’s most classic stories was their run-in with Dracula himself (by then the whole no-vampires thing was long past of course.) Oh btw, turning into WOLVES is also a vampiric ability (Marvel’s Dracula did it as well) so the Lykos name was not necessarily a werewolf reference for Sauron.

I remember Rock & Rule as well, I read about it in Starlog Magazine and I remember wondering what happened with it. I’ll catch it one of these days. I did see Krull, though, but I found The Beast too scary for my tastes back then.

If anyone is interested, I found the musical numbers from Rock & Rule on Youtube last Spring. I assume they’re still there, although I haven’t checked lately. I don’t remember who posted them, but I found them easily enough by typing ‘Rock and Rule’ in the search.

The Grand Comic Book Database now goes by the name Grand Comics Database. Perhaps when you find time you could update.

Great column as ever, Brian, but one thing that always bugs me when our US chums refer to a certain British newspaper – it’s not ‘the London Times’. It’s The Times. If you need to get geographical, ‘Britain’s Times newspaper’, or ‘the UK’s Times’ etc. But The Times is not a newspaper for the city of London alone.

Sure, Martin, I’ll say the UK Times next time!

In actuality, it was United Artists that was acquired by MGM

Thanks, Jim! I thought it was one of those things where “technically” UA bought MGM, but fair enough, I’ll change that!

The Grand Comic Book Database now goes by the name Grand Comics Database. Perhaps when you find time you could update.

Sure thing!

Thanks Brian. Gonna buy your book now!

Grouchy J. Blogreader

February 12, 2010 at 7:19 pm

Hello Brian,
Although I am glad to see you’re now being reference over the internets, I’m scratching my head this week…
1) how is this a legend?
2) again doesn’t seem to be much legend to this
3) Interesting story but I never even heard of Rock and Rule

I have to disagree at you with one point about ROCK & RULE, Brian..Altough it may have not gotten WIDE release in the US, it did get LIMITED release. A local theater(Peabody, MA) in my area DID run that film when it first came out. And the reviews were TERRIBLE.

“I was suprised to see that comics are still being done in the cel-to-page format. I think Ben 10 was one of the ones he mentioned.”

Oh, yeah. Tokyopop, for instance, has a whole line (“Cine-manga”, insert eyeroll here).

I can second the fact that ROCK N RULE did get a limited release. I also used to live in Massachusetts and watched this little gem at the Chestnut Hill Cinema in Brookline.

Treasury size is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT than magazine size. Sorry to yell, but really… Treasuries (aka “Tabloid Size”) are 10×13 inches, whereas magazines are a little bigger than standart sheet of paper (in the US that/s 8 1/2 x 11). Marvel Comics Super Special were mostly magazine size, with a few (including “Rock & Rule”) regular comic sized. Only #8, “Battlestar Galactica,” was Treasury sized. A similarly-named series, Marvel Special Edition, was all Treasury sized. Find just about everything there is to know and then some about Treasury sized comics here: treasurycomics.com.

There was also a Super Special where the reverse happened – the film came out but they withdrew the book: Sergent Pepper’s Lonely Heart’s Club Band. Brian, is there any reason known? Perhaps a future Legend to be Revealed?

Ahhh Krull. I have, somewhere, that adaption. Can’t remember if I read it before or after the release of the movie here in NZ but a true ‘treasure’ it is :-). Good outing for a young Liam Neeson.

I saw Rock and Rule in Richmond, VA. I was glad to see others had seen it in a theater as well. I was starting to think I’d imagined it.

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I recall buying the Marvel film adaptation for Dragonslayer, and thinking that was so good that I had to see the movie. Amazingly enough, the movie was awful, though Marvel did adapt it pretty closely. For some reason, the pacing in the comic was done better and the characters just seemed better fleshed out.

Rock & Rule, well…ruled. Love that movie.

I’m fairly sure Rock & Rule was shown on HBO and other movie channels under the title Fire & Ice.

The Sgt. Pepper’s LHCB Super Special was supposedly released at least in France( and possibly French Canada?) according to the Overstreet Guide. Anyone seen a copy on Ebay?

Fire and Ice was a different animated movie from the same year and directed by Ralph Bakshi

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085542/

I have to agree with others that Rock & Rule was awesome. I just watched it recently.

That’s part of a short series, “EC Comics: From Here to Nudity.” Here’s another link to it with surrounding posts: http://potrzebie.blogspot.com/2007_10_01_archive.html

For “EC Comics: From Here to Nudity #2″, just click on the labels “nudity” or “prank” at bottom.

Bhob

Mark Drummond – You’re probably getting Rock and Rule confused with the film Fire and Ice, which was released the same year. They probably hit cable TV about the same time since they were similarly unsuccessful. Ralph Bakshi (Wizards, Lord of the Rings, Fritz the Cat) collaborate on that one with Frank Frazetta, Roy Thomas and Gerry Conway. Pretty standard barbarian flick, but it looks pretty neat. Was just released on blu-ray early this year/late last year.

…Heh, it’s funny you should bring up Rock and Rule. Just yesterday one of the movie binary groups had a nice little exchange regarding this one pirate troll calling him/her/itself “POK! IT IS ME!” who, according to those who’ve following the groups for any length of time, has posted and reposted this movie at least once every three months for the past *five* years. It’s all he posts, and he appears to have some sort of fixation with this film. The real surprise is that he finally responded to some of the flames about his always posting this film, and it appears he had no clue whatsoever that Angel was based on Debbie Harry, and Omar and the others were based on Cheap Trick. Nor could he grasp that Mok was based on Mick Jagger and Iggy Pop, having no apparent clue who Iggy was.

Go figure.

Brian, thanks for the shout out. As always, it’s great to read your column.

Teebore beat me to it, but yep, Nelvana Studios did the animated segment in the Star Wars Holiday Special.
They also later did the Ewoks TV series.

My name is Mok, thanks a lot.

Youse guys shoulda known it was Canadian on account of all the “please” and “thank you”s in it…

What is this?! Besmirchment of the good name of Krull?! Come on, it had Liam Neeson in it….as a background character….but still, Liam Neeson!!

And I’ve still got that Krull Super Special….I can even see the shelf it’s on from where I’m sitting as I type this. It’s beat all to hell, because I was one of those silly kids who READ stuff instead of locking it away in plastic (still am, both ’cause of the reading thing and sheer, unbridled laziness), but it’s there. I remember being mad that all the cool licensed Krull swag that was pimped by an article in the back of the book never showed up around my hometown (if, in fact, it ever existed outside of the minds of some enterprising studio merchandising execs). I *really* wanted that “Rell the Cyclops Halloween costume”.

The rock and rule one is false. It got a full big-screen release in america. Not a limited one but a full release. The film bombed so bad it almost killed Nelvana. They were saved by the care bears movie. Yes the care bears was a big hit!

Here is box office mojo with the info for the american release.

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=rockandrule.htm

“Release Date: April 15, 1983″ “Domestic: $30,379 ”

You can watch the movie trailer on youtube with “coming to a cinema near you” at the end so yes it DID get a big-screen release in america.

It’s listed in jerry becks animated movie guide as a big-screen release also.

Krull was a great movie but it did bomb. Marvel did comics based on last starfigter, and dark crystal also.

“Release Date: April 15, 1983″ “Domestic: $30,379 “

$30,379 because it wasn’t a wide release.

From the filmmakers themselves (courtesy of FramesPerSecond Magazine)…

Clive Smith: When we finished this film, one of the cities that it was tested in was Boston. And I went down with Frank [Nissen], and we spent about three weeks going around universities with a whole package of slides and drawings and stuff, discussing the process of making this film. And we did radio interviews, we did TV interviews. I rented a car. I plastered Rock & Rule posters all over the car. This was a rental car. [laughter]

Lenora Hume: It wasn’t those magnetic things you just peel off.

Clive Smith: No, these were pasted [laughter]. I remember because I spent hours in the parking lot when I was returning the car. [laughter] Hours before returning it, scraping this thing off.

But [we were] driving around Boston with this very loud car. Because there was no advertising. The film was simply dropped like a hot potato by MGM.

Anne Marie Bardwell: It was ignored.

Clive Smith: For a number of reasons. So we were down there trying to promote this thing. And it opened, indeed, it opened in about three or four theatres in Boston. And it was at the same time the universities were on their break. And all the kids were studying, I believe, and the theatre that I went into—oh, we had the investors down too. On the night of the opening, there were probably about fifteen of sixteen of us down there, and that was Patrick [Loubert], Michael [Hirsh], myself, a bunch of people. So we split up to go to different theatres. And then we reported back.

Yeah…if it got a full release (say 500 theaters/screens) domestic gross of $30,379 means that it took in $60.75 per, which in 1983 would’ve been about 10 people watching it per screen for the one day it would have been out before they pulled it for being worse than Plan 9 from Outer Space, let alone Heaven’s Gate.

A nearby bookstore (not the comic book store) started selling old comic books for 99 cents in late December. They stopped for a few weeks, but I was there today and they’re doing it again. I was stunned to see in one of the boxes…… Marvel’s ROCK AND RULE!!!!
I hadn’t seen a copy since the one I had many many years ago.
I didn’t buy it, though.

I like how Sauron suddenly grew pants between those two X-Men covers!

“Reading Brian Hibbs big giant thing about Book Scan this morning, I was suprised to see that comics are still being done in the cel-to-page format. I think Ben 10 was one of the ones he mentioned.”

Well, not cels. Cartoons are all digital now.

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