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The DC/Marvel Character Tourney Winner!

Out of a whopping 4,214 votes, the winner is…

1. Batman (Bruce Wayne) 2,314 55%
1. Spider-Man (Peter Parker) 1,900 45%

Spidey picked up about six percentage points from last year, but it was not enough. Batman repeats as the winner!

Here’s the complete bracket….

FinalBracket

Also, in perhaps a nice touch, a comic book character sort of won the actual Men’s Basketball Tournament…

64 Comments

Les Fontenelle

April 5, 2010 at 10:01 pm

YES! [fistpump]

There could be no other winner. There’s the rest, then there’s the best.

This isn’t a website… It’s an operating table. And Batman is the surgeon.

55 to 45%… Pretty darn close. Would make a pretty awesome battle if actually ever done (instead of that silly “draw” BS that usually accompanies cross-company comic character battles).

In my opinion, 6% of you guys are nuts as hell, but I’ll always back the guy who used to hang out with “Easy Reader”. ;-)

A nice try for Spidey, with six more points next time he’ll get the win.

Well, I’m horribly disappointed of course, but this is what I expected. (Actually, I expected Batman to win by a bigger margin, so I am encouraged by how close it was.)

That Blue Devil issue was one of the last DCs I bought new. How exactly did he sort of win the basketball tournament?

Batman always wins. Always.

Mary: A team named the Blue Devils won the actual tournament.

Damn – I wish you’d stop these things over the weekends.

Luckily the best man won.

Not only did a comic book character win the real tourney, but they beat another comic book character (sort of):

http://www.comics.org/issue/34838/cover/4/?style=default

BATMAN. ALWAYS. WINS.

Tom Fitzpatrick

April 6, 2010 at 3:58 am

Grump grump grump.

Shoulda woulda coulda been Rorschach. Or Wolvie.

What could it hurt, for once?

For once in our miserable misbegotten lives.

Grump grump grump.

Da Bat always win. hmmph.

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Batman and Spider-Man have co-starred in a couple comics already, right?

http://www.amazon.com/Spider-Man-Batman-Disordered-Minds-DeMatteis/dp/0785101926/ref=pd_sim_b_1

http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Spider-Man-New-Age-Dawning/dp/1563893088

I imagine they’ve tussled a bit, at least.

In an unplanned fight, Spider-Man should beat anyone in the Batman/Captain America/Daredevil class, of course.

Batman… Batman… Can somebody tell me what kind of a world we live in, where a man dressed up as a *bat* beats Spider-Man?

Superman was robbed.

I think you have to do “only sidekicks” next year or something.

I would say only villains next year or exclude the previous year’s winner or something…just to mix it up. I have a feeling Batman is always going to win if included.

Torsten Adair

April 6, 2010 at 7:19 am

Well, I was kind of confused in the early brackets… When I vote for Dick Grayson, is it the Golden Age character, the entire pre-Crisis biography, his role as Nightwing, as Robin, as the new Batman?

The Age-specific brackets… is it just that particular historical slice, or their entire existence?

Personally, I was a bit surprised that Morpheus had such a bad seed. Yes, I know you used company polls to place the seeding…

Next year… open it WIDE UP. Here are four possible “regionals”:
Manga
Superheroes
Alternative
Kids

The year after, change the categories again. Sidekicks, animals/furries, media tie-ins, ETs, adult, underground, animal sidekicks, comic strips, imaginary characters, completely dead characters, lovers and spouses, children of, parents of, …

Starting in January, open the tourney to all suggestions, by category. Take those suggestions, then, like the NCAA, retire to a smoke-filled room and decide the pairings. Myself, I’d like to see like-minded initial pairings, like Richie Rich vs. Scrooge McDuck, or Twilight vs. Buffy, or Mary Jane vs. Lois Lane. (This generates interest in the early brackets, which is otherwise a snooze-fest.)

You could also use Google hits to place the seedings, using the previous year as a delimiter.

One year, offer just teams, or start a parallel National Invitationals Tournament using teams and ensembles. How would Justice League International fare against the Superfriends? The cast of Scott Pilgrim vs. Sonic the Hedgehog?

Another year, only #1 issues. The next, locales (cities, countries, planets, universes…) The next, first appearances, then origin issues…

Another year, you could take all the characters who have had at least four versions (Green Lantern, Superman, Spider-Man…) and place them in separate brackets. Sure, Batman would probably make it to the finals, but who would win the final, Dark Knight Batman or Bronze Age Batman?

New rule: previous winners are retired. Every Base Two year, starting with the fourth year, there is a Champions tournament. The Final Four play a round-robin schedule (24 combinations), the winner determined by wins and points.

GAMBIT LOST!?!?!

I voted for Spider-Man, but it was essentially a coin toss. Spider-Man, Batman (and for that matter Superman) may not be my favorite characters, but they are the best. A lot of the things I like about other characters (She-Hulk as a comedic hero and Madrox’s self-deprecating inner monolouges) can be traced to the icons like Spider-Man.

Batman… Batman… Can somebody tell me what kind of a world we live in, where a man dressed up as a *bat* beats Spider-Man?

The internet websites and blogosphere for some reason have a notorious DC bias, so to me the fact the voting was this close at all is really good for Spider-Man, it virtually counts as a win in my book.

Another year, you could take all the characters who have had at least four versions (Green Lantern, Superman, Spider-Man…) and place them in separate brackets. Sure, Batman would probably make it to the finals, but who would win the final, Dark Knight Batman or Bronze Age Batman?

This was a problem I mentioned in the earlier rounds. WIth Spider-Man, you’re essentially voting for one character. With Batman, you are voting for four or five. Alas, I can’t see a fair way around this though because splitting him into Golden Age and Silver Age and Bronze Age versions then gives him an unfair handicap working against him.

In a stunning upset, Blue Devil takes the whole thing. Well played.

Nobody’s made a “he’s the GODDAMN WINNER!” joke yet? :)

I just took the bracketing as an organizational thing. I didn’t take it to mean that I only had to look at the character solely in the context of that era. The first round of voting listed all of Dick Grayson’s alter ego’s, not just Robin I. He was listed throughout the tournament as Dick Grayson. I believe if I was only to look at his Golden Age resume, then he would have been listed as Robin I.

With that, I felt free to take a character’s entire history into account.

Just out of curiousity, (and to give you more work), would it be possible to rank all the contestants in order of total number of votes recieved?

Willie Everstop

April 6, 2010 at 12:35 pm

A Tournament of Substitute Heroes would be fun.

A Tournament of Substitute Heroes would be fun.

Holy Lord, would that be awesome! War Machine vs. Scarlet Spider vs. Tim Drake vs. Rene Montoya.

FULL

OF

WIN.

Here’s what you should do next time – make it a “Who would win?” contest. If Hero A and Villain B got in a fight with no outside interference, who would win? Superman vs. Hulk in the Heroes bracket, The Beyonder vs. Darkseid in the Villains bracket. That would be AWESOME!

If it’s villains, the Joker probably wins. If it’s sidekicks, Robin probably wins. Which is all part of Batman’s master plan.

Zor-El of Argo

April 6, 2010 at 4:44 pm

Spiders are bugs. Bats eat bugs. ’nuff said!

The internet websites and blogosphere for some reason have a notorious DC bias,

When you blame the result of a superhero popularity contest on bias, it makes it harder for me to take you seriously when you denounce bias in the media. Something about crying wolf.

no surprised Batman won again for he has a congengincy plan for everything and every one after all batman has plans to take down his fellow jlers. so not surprised he won the tournement

Here’s what you should do next time – make it a “Who would win?” contest. If Hero A and Villain B got in a fight with no outside interference, who would win? Superman vs. Hulk in the Heroes bracket, The Beyonder vs. Darkseid in the Villains bracket. That would be AWESOME!

Batman would still win.

Prep time.

When you blame the result of a superhero popularity contest on bias, it makes it harder for me to take you seriously when you denounce bias in the media. Something about crying wolf.

Something about telling the truth is more like it.

Newsarama had it’s best artist, writer and story of the year polls at the end of 2009. DC overwhelmingly won in all three categories. The CSBG forum had a vote about which was better, Marvel vs. DC. DC won 60% to 40%:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=296856

If you were to go strictly by the love and hate each company receives on the Internet message boards and blogosphere, you’d think DC was crushing Marvel in sales and fan response. But real life trends the opposite way. Which is why I say the Internet has a DC bias.

I’m not exactly sure why that is, but it is true nonetheless.

Might be time for some re-seeding of the contestants. Batman and his rabid fanboys will probably ALWAYS win, but at least shuffling things up for the first few rounds would make it interesting.

Batman rules! But WTF is this whole thing anyways?

Bat and Spidey – The best of both worlds. Two awesome characters!

Batman is so unbelievably overrated. Even more overrated than Wolverine.

Batman > other fictional characters.

Ofcourse Batman is overrated. Any character that has been around for almost a century and has survived the everchanging pop culture landsacpe and remains as popular today as ever is overrated. On second thought, maybe he is just overrated to you, because he always beats your favorite character. We are all entitled to our opinions, but the idea of Batman or Spider-man, for that matter, being overrated is ridiculous. I get the rooting for the underdog thing, or trying to have your own identity by liking a “B” or “C” level charcter more then the icons because it makes you feel special, but this is a greatest character poll. If you really think a character like Rorschach or Constantine is going to or deserves to beat Batman your delusional. Maybe in a best character of the year type of tournament, but overall, lets not be ridiculous.

DetectiveDupin

April 7, 2010 at 3:33 pm

I really wanted Pete to win. But both Bruce and Pete are my favorite characters, so I’m happy either way.

And LOL @ the guy who was surprised Gambit didn’t win.

Given how quickly the women were eliminated and how few were included to begin with, how about a round just for the ladies?

Batman rules all!

If you were to go strictly by the love and hate each company receives on the Internet message boards and blogosphere, you’d think DC was crushing Marvel in sales and fan response. But real life trends the opposite way. Which is why I say the Internet has a DC bias.

But that’s not really what bias means, or at least it is a very deceptive use of the term. Let’s look at some definitions of the term:

“Bias is a term used to describe a tendency or preference towards a particular perspective, ideology or result, when the tendency interferes with the ability to be impartial, unprejudiced, or objective.”
“Bias is a tendency to prefer one person or thing to another, and to favour that person or thing. Synonym prejudice
“a partiality that prevents objective consideration of an issue or situation”

As I have emphasised, bias often has connotations of non-objectivity, particularly when you match it with “notorious”. But popularity contests are necessarily non-objective.

Yes, the internet popularity doesn’t reflect sales popularity (neither of which necessarily match actual popularity). But that doesn’t make the internet biased, it makes the internet different. By calling the internet biased, you go from saying ‘the internet disagrees with me’ to ‘the internet is wrong’. The fact that you seem to not be able to tell the difference between the two makes we wonder if you believe that ‘the media is wrong’ must be the case because ‘the media disagrees with me’ is the case. And that’s why it’s harder to take you seriously.

Comic book news sites aren’t biased. They’re basically a repository for press releases and softball interviews. If anything, the major news sites are biased toward all the publishers at the front of Previews, because that’s what gets them most of their traffic. But I don’t believe the owners or the staff of the sites are biased for or against one of the big two.

If anything, it might be more accurate to say that the Internet fan community is biased towards one company over the other. But that’s also something I don’t think is true, if the traffic on the message boards is any indication.

I agree with you, T.

In my oppinion, DC Comics has greater popularity among the older, more involved, more nostalgic fans. Those are the same fans most likely to spend time writing about the hobby on the Internet. And are the same ones more likely to become professional critics. That is why the Internet and the comic critics are a bit of a “distorted” snapshot of the fandom as a whole.

I mean, it’s very anedoctal, but I have lots and lots of friends who are only casual fans, they all have read superhero comics in some periods in their lives, but none of them care enough to visit or write in comic book sites. And they’re almost all Marvel fans. The only real comic book nerd I know (besides myself) is more of a DC fan.

Zor-El of Argo

April 7, 2010 at 8:47 pm

@ Rene;

So what you’re saying is that Marvel gets the slacker/casual and DC gets the dedicated/life-long fans? I don’t know what that has to do with the internet, but I like it!

I think you’re being a bit strict in your interpretation of the word ‘bias’, Ted. Your second definition seems to fit this context well– ‘..a tendency to prefer one… thing to another, and to favour that… thing’. Surely that fits what was said in the comments above– people on these web sites tend to favour DC. This does not necessarily indicate any hostility towards other publishers, or imply any sort of dishonesty in the voting. This was a popularity contest anyway, and naturally people are biased in their choices.

Bias does not mean ‘wrong’. It simply means other factors besides objective fact are at play. (And in a popularity contest, it’s questionable whether objective fact can have any bearing at all.)
Maybe I object less to the use of the term ‘bias’ than you do, because I have a background (somewhat) in science. In science, ‘bias’ can mean anything that might distort the data as measured, but does not indicate any underlying motive. It can simply mean, for example, that bright stars show up better in telescoping pictures, which would ‘bias’ any survey of stellar populations. (‘Bias’ can be used as an active verb in science.)

Comics Should Be Good appears to be biased towards DC (though I can’t say for sure that it is, since I’ve never done a statistical analysis), so one would expect DC characters to do better in this poll. But then, the whole point of the poll is to find out which characters people are biased towards, so this cannot necessarily be considered a bad thing. (Although I may find it annoying, due to my clear Marvel bias.)

As a final point, it should be pointed out that even with a DC bias (indeed, even with a much stronger bias than surely exists here), it could still be quite possible for a Marvel character to win, even by a huge margin. For instance, if there were a lot of DC fans here who also love Spider-Man. (Actually, I suspect that there are a lot of those.)

Yes, Zor.

Not that all Marvel fans are like that, or all DC fans. But I do think DC tends to attract more of the life-long fans. And Marvel has more of the dudes that leave the hobby after 4 years of dabbling. I also suspect that Marvel readers skew a little younger than DC’s.

Don’t know exactly why. Probably a lot of reasons.

Zor-El of Argo

April 7, 2010 at 9:09 pm

Rene,

It certainly isn’t age of the characters. While is true that most of DC’s top pantheon have a couple of decades on most of Marvel’s(Captain America and Sub-Mariner excluded), at this point I don’t think those extra decades are really relevant. At 40 years old Spider-man, Iron-man, Hulk, and Thor are every bit the “always and forever” characters to me that Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are.

For the record; I voted for Batman but really hated having to vote against Spider-man.

I think you’re being a bit strict in your interpretation of the word ‘bias’, Ted.

Perhaps, but perhaps you are being too charitable towards T. To me, a politically charged term like ‘bias’ on a politically charged blog like this shouldn’t be used lightly. To look again at what T said:

The internet websites and blogosphere for some reason have a notorious DC bias, so to me the fact the voting was this close at all is really good for Spider-Man, it virtually counts as a win in my book.

To me that reads: “Batman won, but the internet is inaccurately skewed towards DC (like a telescope may be inaccurately skewed towards bright stars), so really Spiderman won so actually I’m right to like Spiderman”

You say that “it’s questionable whether objective fact can have any bearing at all”. I go further and say that there are no objective elements in a popularity contest like this. And without a objective basis to measure deviation from, I don’t see how one can claim bias. T seems to point to sales figures as the ultimate, factual basis to measure bias from, but this seems a baseless and self-serving move. Who says the buyers can’t be as wrong as the internet users? What makes them ultimately qualified to make such a decision?

By using the term bias here, T goes from saying ‘others disagree with me’ to ‘others are wrong’, with no basis to make such a leap. The fact that he is willing to make such a baseless leap here makes me question whether he wouldn’t be willing to make such a leap elsewhere. And that devalues his opinion in my mind.

I’m with Ted on this.

If you go with the more relaxed meaning of bias then any popularity poll is always going to be biased in favour of the winner that will be how they won. The only way it could ever not be biased is if every character gets the same number of votes.

Complaining about bias in a popularity poll is basically like complaining about the whole concept of a popularity poll.

I would just like to say that I am a much bigger Marvel fan then DC, but that doesn’t mean I don’t like certain DC characters more then Marvel characters. Batman is my favorite character (along with Spider-man, which is why I didn’t vote), because I think he is the best character regardless of what universe he is from. This whole either DC or Marvel thing is ridiculous and very overexagerrated, because most people I know just like which characters they like regardless if they’re DC or Marvel. I am the same way. I find the Marvel Universe far more entertaining as a whole, but that don’t mean I don’t love certain DC characters and stories.

Robin beat the Joker, huh? Really? Tell that to Jason Todd!

Batman wins everything!

Batman has been killed and has had his back broken by just some dude on steroids. However, Adam West did play him on TV. That…well…Spider-Man just can’t compete with.

Not much of a surprise tho, is it? The next tourney should be non-A list characters. Now THAT would be interesting.

So I’m ridiculous and delusional because I think Batman is overrated? Wow. I say two sentences, and I get a paragraph long rant about how people are entitled to their opinions, but I’m ridiculous and delusional because of mine. Any point you think you have is moot. Saying Batman is your favorite character is like saying Citizen Kane is your favorite movie. How about reading something other than what the Big Two tell you to.

no, i read lots of things and not just comics, but that is neither here nor there. i just don’t like the word overrated applied to iconic characters. what makes you the authority to decide what is overrated just because you are trying to rebel against something. just state the simple truth that you either PERSONALLY don’t care for batman, or your a little tired of batman at this point in time. i can understand and respect that, but the word “overrated” is thrown around too much these days everytime someone is upset that something is more popular then what they are currently into. also, i personally find citizen kane to be extremely boring, but i will never go and say it’s overrated.

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