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Comic Book Legends Revealed #260

Welcome to the two-hundred and sixtieth in a series of examinations of comic book legends and whether they are true or false. Click here for an archive of the previous two hundred and fifty-nine.

Comic Book Legends Revealed is part of the larger Legends Revealed series, where I look into legends about the worlds of entertainment and sports, which you can check out here, at legendsrevealed.com. I’d especially recommend you check out this installment of Golf Legends Revealed to learn about the debate about race and the Masters Tournament and just who said what over the years.

Our first legend this week is an interesting riff on the ideas of racial regression that have popped up lately with regards to DC’s legacy heroes.

Let’s begin!

COMIC LEGEND: Marvel had a proto-superhero who gained powers when he was turned Asian – the character was later revamped by dropping the Asian aspect of the story completely.

STATUS: True

Before he settled on the name Doctor Fate, Gardner Fox wanted to call the character who became Doctor Fate Doctor Droom.

That is odd, because that’s exactly the name that Stan Lee came up with for a mystical character who debuted in the pages of Amazing Adventures (the magazine that would eventually change it name a couple of times until it was known as Amazing Fantasy) #1 in 1961 BEFORE Fantastic Four #1 came out!

If you look at him, besides the slightly odd way of drawing an Asian character, Doctor Droom seems normal enough…

But if you read the story, HOW Doctor Anthony Droom gets his power is pretty darn weird…

I don’t know what would be more disturbing – turning Asian or growing a moustache! You have to “love” that dialogue – “My eyes! They’re becoming slanted! And I’ve a–a moustache!”

The crazy thing about that story is the PEDIGREE of it – written by Stan Lee, penciled by Jack Kirby and inked by Steve Ditko! Holy cow!

In any event, Droom appeared in the next few issues of the title before it moved on to more monster stories than anything else, and then the Fantastic Four showed up and superheroes were the “in” thing at Marvel.

However, who can let a character go un-used? This is comic books! Patsy Walker was turned into a superhero! No character goes un-used!

So in the pages of 1976’s Weird Wonder Tales, Editor Archie Goodwin brought back Droom, only this time, the whole sketchy “turns into an Asian man” plot point was dropped, and even the NAME was different – now he was…Doctor Druid!!

Druid was a popular enough character that he even ended up joining the Avengers at one point!

He led the Secret Defenders!

He got his own title even, courtesy of Warren Ellis (that last thing did not work out so well for Druid, however).

So not bad for a knock-off of a “forgotten” forebear to the Fantastic Four and Doctor Strange!

COMIC LEGEND: Marvel originally intended Magneto to be Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver’s father.

STATUS: False

A few people have asked me this over the years, but the one I read recently was by commenter yo go re (who asked about it three years ago!).

And it seems like a pretty definitive “no.”

The thought was never there until Neal Adams showed us what Magneto looked like under the helmet in X-Men #62 in 1969…

but soon after that, in 1971, Mike Sekowsky showed a DIFFERENT look for Magneto sans-helmet…

And in 1970, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver’s “real” parents were introduced, Miss America and the Whizzer.

No, it was not until John Byrne drew him without the helmet in X-Men #113 that the whole “hey, Magneto looks like Quicksilver, maybe he’s the real father of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch” meme began.

Byrne did not like the Miss America and Whizzer reveal, so after he thought about it some, he approached Mark Gruenwald about using the idea for a possible Quicksilver story in Marvel Premiere. Meanwhile, Steven Grant also disliked the Whizzer/Miss America plot, and he ALSO theorized that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were Magneto’s children (Grant came at it from a different angle). And he, too, approached Mark Gruenwald and Avengers editor at the time, Roger Stern, about the idea.

So the idea began to be peppered into issues of X-Men and the Avengers – little hints, stuff like that, with it eventually to be that we, the readers, would pretty much know the truth.

Here’s how they did it.

In Avengers #186, by Gruenwald, Grant and then-Avengers writer David Michelinie, we saw Wanda and Pietro’s mother…

And the next month, in X-Men #125, we get the “answer”…

The idea was that we would know it but the characters would not It was intended to be just a “hidden truth,” and that’s how Byrne AND Grant both liked it. Just something that everyone “knew,” but it would never be spelled out.

Of course, this being mainstream comics, if you have the chance to do a big story using a “hidden truth,” you’re going to take it, and that’s what Marvel did with the 1982 Vision and Scarlet Witch mini-series, which revealed Magneto as Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver’s dad.

If you read the original X-Men stories, Magneto being their father can be pretty well transposed on to them (not all of them, though, as Magneto did not always have a…fatherly approach to Scarlet Witch), but it seems pretty evident that that was not Stan Lee’s original intent.

However, it sure worked out well!

Thanks to yo go re for the question (and others who have sent similar questions over the years)! And thanks to John Byrne and Peter Sanderson for the information of how Byrne thought up having Magneto be the father of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch! And thanks to Steve Grant for talking about how he also came about the idea (independently of Byrne)! And thanks to our pal Funky for finding the Grant quotes.

COMIC LEGEND: Gen 13 was originally called GenX before Marvel “made” Image change it.

STATUS: True Enough

Someone wrote in to ask me about this one recently. I wish I could tell you who, but searching e-mails for “gen 13″ just brings me everything with “gen” in it, which happens to be pretty much every e-mail (legends revealed). So if the person who wrote in sees this, let me know!

In any event, the basic question was – did Image Comics change the name of their Gen 13 series from GenX because of pressure from Marvel?

And the answer is yes.

What’s interesting to note is that Marvel’s Generation X series, while certainly in the planning, did not come out until almost a year after GenX was first promoted, which was in the Summer of 1993.

So unlike their complaint against Jim Shooter’s Warriors of Plasm and their Plasmer, they did not even have a title out with a similar name.

Instead, I think it was just a general “prominent usage of the letter X is our trademark” argument, which Marvel had used in the past (never in court, just in legal threats).

And I mean, don’t get me wrong, if you look at the original ads for GenX…

you’d have to be blind not to notice that they’re trying to evoke the X-Men. They even ended with an homage to John Byrne’s famous X-Men #141 cover!

So Aegis Entertainment (which was what Jim Lee’s company was called before it transitioned into Wildstorm) likely felt that they might be on shaky grounds. But moreover, did they really want to fight Marvel over something that was not exactly a huge deal?

So instead, they just changed the name and the book came out in the Winter of 93/94.

And in the late Summer/early fall of 1994, Generation X was released…

In early Summer, there was an ashcan of Generation X…

Thanks to reader Paul for getting me the release date on the ashcan.

Okay, that’s it for this week!

Thanks to the Grand Comics Database for this week’s covers! And thanks to Brandon Hanvey for the Comic Book Legends Revealed logo!

Feel free (heck, I implore you!) to write in with your suggestions for future installments! My e-mail address is cronb01@aol.com.

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See you all next week!

89 Comments

Hey, just wanted to say the Generation X ashcan came out August of 1994, IIRC. Just a few months before the real series came out.

Thanks, Paul!

That’s what I figured, but I couldn’t find an exact date.

I don’t know Brian…with a moustache you can at least be a 70s porn star.

I can’t recall ever seeing the words “Dr. Druid” and “popular” in the same sentence before.

Great stuff, Brian.A few random thoughts:

Droom: Somehow I had never heard about the whole “turning East Asian” thing. It makes an interesting contrast with Doctor Strange, who started out looking rather Eurasian in his first appearance, but swifly started looking more Caucasoid as time wore on (Don’t believe me? Just compare Doc’s looks in his first appearance with how he is portrayed in his origin).

Magneto: Frankly, the fact that Roy Thomas set-up the Whizzer as Wanda and Pietro’s father back in the 70s always seemed like conclusive proof that no one prior to Byrne had plans for making Magneto their father.

Warren Ellis: To anyone who has not read Ellis’ DRUID, do so now! It is great stuff.

Jeremy A. Patterson

May 14, 2010 at 11:15 am

DC getting in trouble with Donald Trump over the original name of the New Guardians, which was called Trumps!

Roxy with Youngblood’s disease!

J.A.P.

some stupid japanese name

May 14, 2010 at 11:17 am

I loved where Druid was going in the Ellis/Manco series, before the rug was pulled out from under it.
Was that the last time Ellis worked with Manco? If so, was there a falling out between them? I really dug their work together on both this and Hellstorm before it.

rwe1138 beat me too it.

The Ugly American

May 14, 2010 at 11:23 am

M M Y EYES ARE BECOMING SLANTED!!! HOLY CRAP.

I was going to come in and say maybe he’s just wearing eyeliner like Nestor Carbonell on LOST, but OH MAN, that is horrible.

Yeah, that four issue run of Druid was really good. Greg reviewed it on Comics you Should Own.

If Ellis and Manco had a falling out, I don’t know, but I read an Ellis interview once where he mentioned something about an artist that he worked with going off-script, and that he was so pissed off that he never worked with him again. He said that it happened in his early Marvel days, so it might’ve been Manco.

I was going to come in and say maybe he’s just wearing eyeliner like Nestor Carbonell on LOST, but OH MAN, that is horrible.

It’s funny, I’ve never said or typed his actual name, because I always call him Batmanuel.

The Ugly American

May 14, 2010 at 11:29 am

Batmanuel, mayor of Gotham.

I’m Asian yet my eyes are not slanted…and I don’t have a moustache…

Next you’ll be saying you don’t know any ancient martial arts, and that’s just crazy talk.

I just want to let you know that I love your column and just recently purchased and read your book. It’s amazing. I’ve recommended it to two of my friends.

And that not all the girls look alike (hot, all of them!)

Nestor Carbonell doesn’t wear eye-liner, he just has strangely thick eye-lashes.

I just want to let you know that I love your column and just recently purchased and read your book. It’s amazing. I’ve recommended it to two of my friends.

Thanks, Vince!

Speaking of the book sales, Amazon has only two left in stock (as you can see here)! I’d love to see what happens when Amazon has to re-order, so if anyone is interested in a book, now would be a good time.. ;)….

There’s also the fact that in the ’70 when The Whizzer (snicker) and Miss America were reintroduced by Roy Thomas, they were set up as Wanda & Pietro’s parents (Giant-Size Avengers #1).

Which trajan23 mentioned but I missed when I skimmed through – sorry about that!

The Ugly American

May 14, 2010 at 12:49 pm

“Nestor Carbonell doesn’t wear eye-liner, he just has strangely thick eye-lashes.”

Yeah, I think Brian now has a new Television-based Urban Legend to debunk.

Yeah, it’s worth throwing the Whizzer/Miss America stuff in there, so I did! Thanks!

Yeah, I think Brian now has a new Television-based Urban Legend to debunk.

Good point – that DOES seem to be a widely held (and false) belief!

Hey Brian [or anyone]!
Good stuff this week [as usual]. i’m wondering if the original Dr. Droom tale is reprinted anywhere. i would love to get my hands on it to show my wife [Chinese].
Her eyes are slanted, but no mustache, so maybe she isn’t really Chinese after all.
DFTBA

I had forgotten about Droom. Heh :D

Was Ellis’ Druid supposed to be an ongoing or a limited series? Somehow I have the impression that, originally, it was an ongoing but it ended up as a limited.

“Jeffery Scott”???

Maybe now you’re going to tell us your wife doesn’t know any Chinese at all. HAH! LIES! She must do.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Im-Asian-So-Im-Awesome-and-I-know-Kung-FuDont-Mess-with-me/453844000513

I meant Kung FU^. Damn my brain. She probably does know Chinese…

some stupid japanese name

May 14, 2010 at 1:42 pm

Druid was supposed to be ongoing, but it got canned rather abruptly.
Jeffrey Scott aka Jeff Scott aka J. Scott Campbell

Hey, neat! That only leaves, like, five of my suggestions outstanding! :D And I keep thinking of more, but always forget before I can come ask them.

You know, say what you will about J. Scott Campbell’s artwork, it certainly got A LOT better as Gen13 went along…

–yo

Oh wait, here’s one: was the supervillain Volcana – Marsha Rosenberg – really named after a Marvel publicity agent? The name shows up in that capacity in a 1983 issue of GI Joe, and it’s an oddly specific combination (ie, it lacks the typical comic character alliteration) to randomly come up twice from the same company. If it’s true, why’d they choose her name for Volcana? Was her friend Titania (Mary MacPherran) also named after someone real?

That was actually me who asked about the GenX/Gen13 thing. Eventually, they did a crossover together didn’t they?

Brian, do you know if Marvel every threatened the various publishers that published “Ex-Mutants”?

Oh, and maybe you can look into why the first issue of Takeshi Miyazawa’s great series “Sidekicks” (published by C.B. Cebulski’s Fanboy Entertainment) had the story title “The New Teen Titan part 1 of 3″ and the remaining two issues had the title changed to “The Transfer Student”. Did DC maybe took legal action?

“If Ellis and Manco had a falling out, I don’t know, but I read an Ellis interview once where he mentioned something about an artist that he worked with going off-script, and that he was so pissed off that he never worked with him again. He said that it happened in his early Marvel days, so it might’ve been Manco.”

– Wasn’t that Ellis, Pat Broderick and “Doom 2099″?

some stupid japanese name

May 14, 2010 at 2:55 pm

There ya go Brian, a new legend concerning Ellis, Manco, and Broderick.

With Doctor Druid currently being dead and all, there is nothing at all preventing Marvel from bringing back Doctor Anthony Droom. In fact he seems like a totally separate interesting but weird character.

The Whizzer lol

What a name …………

There ya go Brian, a new legend concerning Ellis, Manco, and Broderick.

Yeah, I’ve been toying with using that one for awhile now – I think I just never found enough “proof” either way. If someone has seen any on point interviews, let me know!

Why is it called an ashcan, anyway?

Why is it called an ashcan, anyway?

Ashcan is another word for trashcan, wastepaper basket, etc.

It’s referring to the fact that after being printed (to preserve copyright and trademark), most of the printed issues were usually thrown in the trash.

Louis Bright-Raven

May 14, 2010 at 4:04 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcan_copy

That will explain the history of the term to you, Dan.

First off, Gorlion…that is totally awesome!!!

Secondly, I don’t think Dr. Druid was ever that popular. They wanted a mystic hero for the Avengers to replace Scarlet Witch, but Dr. Strange was way too powerful so they dug up Dr. Druid. It seemed fairly obvious at the time why they put such an obscure and pretty much forgotten character into the Avengers.

Thirdly, as for the email search comment…you can always put a phrase in parentheses to return an exact phrase match. “Gen 13″ put into any modern search field should turn up that exact phrase.

Thirdly, as for the email search comment…you can always put a phrase in parentheses to return an exact phrase match. “Gen 13″ put into any modern search field should turn up that exact phrase.

I don’t know if AOL counts for a “modern search field,” because that doesn’t work. ;)

If memory serves, Mary McPherran headed Marvel’s subscription department back in the ’80s.

Oh God, no! My eyes are becoming slanted and I have a mustache! AAAAHHHHHHHHHH!

Anyway, I was amazed at how HORRID the girls faces looked on the Gen13 promo pics! No wonder I had no interest in picking it up when it came out! Yowzer.

I saw the old Gen-X ad and they were GREEN! I’m not kidding.

Whatever happened to that Jeffrey Scott?;)

I think Magneto and Quicksilver always looked alike even in the original Kirby-drawn X-Men books. I guess that’s the way Kirby drew them,but it does fit appearance wise. Great idea, Byrne!

I know J. Scott Campbell is Jeffrey Scott, by the way.

>Yeah, I’ve been toying with using that one for awhile now – I think I just never found enough “proof” either way. If someone has seen any on point interviews, let me know!

The evidence is all there, Brian. You look at Oeming’s interview, compare it to what happened to the creative arrangement on Doom 2099, and, yeah, there it is.

But does that make it a legend? It seems like Ellis wanted to protect his collaborator’s name. What’s the benefit in muckraking?

Doctor Druid was put into the Avengers because Roger Stern, writer of the Avengers, had recreated the character in Weird Wonder Tales.

Stern also used him in Marvel Universe as one of the Monster Hunters. I really like Ellis’ series, but this is clearly Sterno’s guy, and later writers had no clue what to do with him after Stern was fired off the Avengers title.

I’m actually surpised that no one has yet mentioned Roger Stern in the article or the comments.

some stupid japanese name

May 14, 2010 at 5:43 pm

From Oeming’s interview, where he asked Ellis “How do you deal with an artist who goes off script?”

“I don’t work with them again. Ever. I am horrible about this. I tell artists, if something doesn’t work for you, tell me, and we’ll fix it. Back in the 90s, I spent an hour on the phone telling an artist this. When the pages came back, it turned out that he didn’t like the back five pages, and drew something else. And this was full script, not a vague Marvel-style thing. I went mental. When I finally got the guy on the phone again to find out what went wrong, he said, well, this is just the start of our collaboration, you’ll learn. So I had him fired. I was really just starting out at Marvel, and could easily have been fired myself – the artist had been on the book for a couple of years. But I was prepared to take the hit. No one else is going to stand up for your work but you. Turned out the artist had done this to a lot of writers over the years, but no one had stood up and said, “Enough.” I’m told that to this day he complains that I had him blacklisted in the business. Which I didn’t, and I still don’t use his name in public. But, after that, people were a lot more careful with my scripts, and that kind of thing has only happened a couple of times since. And I don’t work with those people again.”

Seems pretty obvious it’s Broderick. I’m still curious about him and Manco though.

3 great ones this week!

The Doctor Fate Doctor Droom story’s pretty surprising! “I feel my eyes slanting”?! Even way back then, what were they thinking? I love how they still used just about every panel with Dr Druid. I never had an iota of like for that character.

I remember picking up on the threads re: Magneto, Pietro & Wanda in the pages of the Avengers. I remember back in the 70s & 80s when things like that were done a lot and it’s a big part of what made comics special for me. Too bad it rarely happens anymore since creators aren’t writing comic books anymore, just TPBs in segments. Anyway, I think readers were given more than a hint that Magneto was Quicksilver’s & the Scarlet Witch’s father in the Avengers but I could be mistaken. I never liked that they made mags Polaris’ father, as well, especially after the hoax to the same effect back when Neal Adams was drawing the X-Men. And I still can’t call him “Eric”.

It’s disgusting that Marvel gets away with things like tossing around clout with the letter “x”. If Mr. X had come along years later I don’t know what they would have called him. I fondly recall “Warriors of Plasm” while all it took me was a quick flip-through at the comic book store to tell me that “Plasmer” was utter garbage.

BTW – more meta-messages, please! Aside from more cowbell, it may be the only cure for my malady.

So undoing the Franks as Wanda’s and Pietro’s parents was Byrne’s idea? I never would’ve guessed. I just assumed it was Gruenwald, since he wrote that story right in the middle of Michelinie’s run. And I never knew for sure if they always planned on the father being Magneto at that point, since the original story was pretty vague as to who it could be.
I would’ve preferred it if they’d just been born to some ordinary Balkan Gypsies. Why does everybody always have to be related to somebody important?
I’d heard before about that Neal Adams story where Magneto’s face was first revealed, but this is the first time I ever heard about that Sekowsky story. How soon after the first one did that happen? Didn’t anyone look through previous appearances to make sure Magneto’s face hadn’t been revealed before?

I’d heard about Doctor Droom before, but this is the first time I’d actually seen one of the stories. I’d seen his origin in an Avengers Spotlight, so nothing here was a surprise, except of course for the turning Asian part. I never dreamed anything like that had happened! I guess Psylocke’s transformation was not unprecedented then.
It’s amazing how similar he was to Doctor Strange. I guess Roy Thomas’s Spotlight story wherein the Ancient One explains that Druid was just a weird sort of rehearsal for Strange makes a kind of weird sense. But mostly, it just demonstrates how Stan, or maybe Steve, just didn’t want to let the idea die, so they had to try again.

I could be wrong, but it seems to me that Magneto and Pietro and Wanda were known as father and son and daughter from the earliest. Either in X-Men or Avengers, way before Neal Adams was involved, early in Marvel.

They were all three on a cover, there was some family argument, he wanted them to follow him in a criminal career, they split off of him and eventually ended up with the Avengers.

I’m could be wrong, don’t have any references and would be disagreeing with someone who has written a book on things like this, but I always thought they were family.

Was it really John Byrne’s idea to have Magneto be the father of Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch? I believe Steven Grant has claimed in his CBR column that this was his idea. Or was it Mantlo’s idea? Or Claremont’s? Or was it the idea of the Marvel readership at large?

Zombie X you are confusing the aspect of them being members of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants back before they turned good and joined the Avengers.

ParanoidObsessive

May 14, 2010 at 7:39 pm

I’ve always found it amusing that Doctor Druid’s actual last name is Druid. It’s like if someone with the last name “Baker” was recruited by an ancient order of pasty chefs and given magical bread powers.

Or if someone with the last name “Plumber” somehow gained magical toilet-related powers. Doubly so if his entire early life was entirely unrelated to plumbing, like if he’d got a doctorate in English Lit and became a college professor or something.

You know what? Professor Plumber would be an awesome idea for a comic character. I’m off to go copyright that right now.

Gavin, thanks for the clarification, I’m wrong. Maybe I assumed that because Magneto took the falling out kinda personally.

funkygreenjerusalem

May 14, 2010 at 7:45 pm

Steven Grant says that he approached Mark Gruneweld with the idea of Magneto being Quicksilver and Scarlett Witches Father – http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=15726
Pretty good column that one – full of how odd bits of continuity/stortylines came about in 70’s Avengers.

@ParanoidObsessive

Dr. Anthony Druid became Dr. Druid
Dr. Stephen Strange became Dr. Strange
Dr. Otto Octavius became Dr. Octopus
Victor Von Doom becane Dr. Doom (I’ve never seen him referred to as “Dr. Victor Von Doom” but he HAS to at least have honorary doctorates from every Latverian university)

It’s like there’s an unwritten rule at Marvel that if you have a code name that starts with “Doctor” your real name has to be similar to it.

I can’t get Funky’s link to work.

random surfer

May 14, 2010 at 10:30 pm

@paranoidObsessive & ZZZ

TVTropes calls that sort of name “Steven Ulysses Perhero”

Is there any truth to the assumption that the reason Dr. Droom was renamed Dr. Druid was to avoid confusion with Dr. Doom?

@paranoidObsessive & ZZZ

Doctor Druid’s name is actually Anthony Ludgate, with “Anthony Druid” being his sort-of stage name back when he was like a Dr. Phil type of parapsychologist (he did talk shows and everything).

Doctor Druid’s name is actually Weiner von Whizzer, and he was a licensed urologist. He changed it for obvious reasons.

@Chris:

Oh my god, yes! Dr. Druid is Dr. Phil !!! I’ve never realized it until now but the resemblance is uncanny! That is truly awesome!

…I think I’ll go dig out that Warren Ellis mini and read it out loud with that Dr. Phil drawl now…

I knew Dr. Druid had been Dr. Droom–I had no idea bout the Asian transformation.
Stern’s Monster Hunters was a blast. Taking that many third-stringers and turning them into an interesting group was a neat trick.
But the article about whitening the legacy heroes–that’s the kind of thing that as soon as I read it, I wonder why I didn’t notice it sooner.

Honestly, I prefer the Whizzer/Miss America parentage. It was a great story, st the time- a very exciting revelation. It took two great Golden Age characters and gave them ties to the present. The Magneto thing was weird, especially given that Magneto clearly had the hots for Wanda at one point.

I’d love it if Wanda’s “no more mutants!” had actually altered their parentage back to the original story. Pietro inherited his father’s power- Wanda inherited her mother’s “energy”. They’d no longer be mutants; it would get rid of the angry/mentally unbalanced gene in both children; and it would make Wanda less of oa goddess.

Dr Strange also appeared in ‘Tales of Suspense 41′ in an early Iron Man tale (May 1963) and then the ‘real’ Dr Strange appears in Strange Tales 110, July 1963. No job reference codes on either of the tales.

In the UK Marvel, the character was not called Dr Strange (in the reprint of TOS 41) as far as I can recall..

Great article.
Could you do a little more follow-up on the Gen X/ Gen 13 issue? Why did they go with Gen 13 and not Gen 10, since X is the Roman numeral 10. This was probably long before “Ben 10″, so there shouldn’t have been any worry that Gen 10 would sound too close to Ben 10. ;)

Brian, would you consider a Legend about Spider-Woman?

I don’t know if the matter about her originally being meant as one of the High Evolutionary’s New Men qualifies (I have no idea how well-known and how well-documented it is), but to the best of my knowledge it has never been established how much of Jerry Hunt’s feelings for Jessica was due to her pheromones. There is also the little bit about her hair color.

Oh yes, there is also that recent claim for Marvel announcements about Jessica having been a “mainstay” on the Avengers for “years”.

Druid was an on-going, but then Marie Severin, the editor, got fired from Marvel during the big Marvelution, and with her went both this book and Ruins (which was also supposed to be an ongoing).

Speaking of Magneto the Father, for eons “Magneto is Polaris’ Dad” was false, but now it’s true. What is the obsession with making him knock up every woman in the MU?!

I think you mean Marie Javins. And she left the company of her own accord in 2000, long after the Marvelution.

Travis Pelkie

May 15, 2010 at 6:13 pm

To John a few comments back, I believe that the reasoning behind calling it “Gen 13″ was that the teammates were part of the 13th generation of Americans (I don’t know if that’s true, or what, but I swear that’s what I heard).

And iirc, there was a story on Lying in the Gutters way back about Doom 2099, Ellis, and Broderick. I think the story was more from Broderick’s point of view, something about him not liking the direction that Ellis took the book, and that he made Captain America a druggie (I think that was a plot point). I believe that Broderick was a co-creator on Doom 2099, so you can see that he might not be happy with the new direction, having been the “daddy” of the book. But I’m pretty sure there was a LITG column about it, while Rich Johnston was still on CBR.

funkygreenjerusalem

May 16, 2010 at 10:06 pm

I can’t get Funky’s link to work.

It works for me.
If you still can’t get it, you can go to the Permanent Damage archives, off the main CBR page, and it’s the column from 27th of December 2007.

“Was (Volcana’s) friend Titania (Mary MacPherran) also named after someone real?”
Yep. Mary lived in the same apartment house in Brooklyn as my big sister Barbara, and graciously passed on extra copies of comics to Barb who give them to me after she read them!

Re: Magneto as Wanda & Pietro’s dad.
Since Roy Thomas wrote X-Men #62 (where Magneto’s face was revealed), I don’t think he wanted Maggie as their pop.
(Roy and Neal Adams had a knack for planting clues wayyyy before the “big reveal”.
Look at Avengers #93 where Ant-Man discovers clues to the Vision’s TRUE origins, not revealed until years later, as the Golden Age Human Torch!)
If Roy had intended Magneto to be their father, he had pleanty of time in both X-Men and Avengers to do so…

Roy Thomas was the one who made the Whizzer their father, so I think that’s pretty much proof that he had no intention of using Magneto.

Seems pretty obvious it’s Broderick. I’m still curious about him and Manco though.

Yeah. There was some interview (or something) with Broderick several months ago where he talked about it, though IIRC his story differs from Ellis’s. He was angry with Ellis coming onto the book and treating the established characters badly or something.

Ah – Just found a link:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=312184

“my all time best series. Doom 2099. All most 3 years later and the world was just fine. Until that British a** hole writer came on board and decided he would change everything that we’d had laid in place. So he got me removed from the series after we had a heated run in. And to my satisfaction the series was cancelled after only five more issues.”

The Vision and the Scarlett Witch storyline has got to be one of the oddest in the whole Copper Age. It was engaging and also made the reader go , huh?

Cheers!

Steven G. Willis
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After reading an old issue with the Doctor Droom origin, I always thought he was the prototype for Doctor Strange.

Was the Warren Ellis Dr Druid series actually any good?

Re: Dr Droom / Druid:

Nevrr to let anything continuity-wise slip betwixt his fingers, Roy Thomas picked up that Droom origin and folded it in as his being a “trial run” conducted BY the Ancient One (using an alias/ disguise of the Lama) to turn Druid into a forerunner of Doctor Strange (in case Strange didn’t pan out).

This was in the pages of:

Avengers Spotlight # 37

and then he continues to expound upon the notion in:

Doctor Strange : Sorcerer Supreme # 34

where Druid suggests to Strange that perhaps Strange was a precursor / trial run for Dr DOOM, since all three of them have very similar origins.

Also, the DRUID mini was supposed to be an ongoing.
When the axe fell, the ORIGINAL ending was that HELLSTORM was to have had a big magic-users dinner assemblage, with Dr Strange in attendance.
When the dinner was to be served, and the lid taken off of the serving toureen, there was supposed to be a dead Dr. Druid underneath (presumably, apple in mouth) – Hellstorm having killed him.

However, Marvel editors balked at that ending and changed it.

I have that solicit copy / interview somewhere in the collection.
I remember being upset that they were going to kill off Druid (as I kinda liked him) but when the issue came out I was more upset that they didn’t kill him as awesomely as was intended.


“Tamam Shud!”
~P~

In keeping with the “Magneto being the father of Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch” plot lines being hinted at and that WE readers would know but the characters would not… a similar thing occurred in the pages of Doctor Strange with DORMAMMU, UMAR and CLEA.

Back in Doctor Strange Master of the Mystic Arts # 9 (1975) it is revealed (to the readers) that Clea’s father, ORINI had mated with UMAR – sister to DORMAMMU, and they had a child – CLEA.

Actually, the reveal that ORINI was Clea’s father was even a bit of a reveal, as he appeared (unnamed) in Strange Tales # 126 (1964) and in subsequent appearances in and out of his face-covering uniform – so that in Doc # 7, when it is revealed that he is Clea’s father, Doctor Strange is taken aback.

However, the final reveal that CLEA was UMAR’s daughter did not occur until Doctor Strange # 72 (in 1985 – a full decade after the set-up) when Doctor Strange discovers the truth and then reveals it to Clea herself.

Sorry for the tangent, but it seemed appropos to the Magneto discussion.
Maybe to make this germane to the board, I’ll ask if Stan Lee or Steve Ditko ever thought about Dormammu or Clea as family to Clea? (he asked doubtingly)

There ya go.

“Tamam Shud!”
~P~

“Sancotrum”?

Just trying to re-save my info with CORRECT spelling.
Sancotrum”? what the hell?

I seem to recall an interview with Stan Lee in which he was asked point-blank if he had ever intended Magneto to be the father of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. His answer was a definite no, but also that he really liked it and wished he’d thought of it.

I just wonder why Sekowsky thought Magneto was sharing a closet with the Melter….

After rereading some of the old issues, I don’t see why there’s any need to transpose the relationship. Despite the Pietro/Magnus resemblance, there’s no reason Magneto would have assumed a couple of Roma teenagers had any relationship to him. He certainly never treated them any nicer (or worse) than say, Mastermind.

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