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3 Chicks Review Comics – Episode 005

It’s Episode 005!


Inside this episode! Welcome back to our first cast of the new year and after a two week hiatus!  It’s also our first ever “special episode” featuring not only a slew of picks for Best of 2010, but also a special guest host all the way from Germany – Lisa aka Ragnell from WFA, Dispatches From The Fridge, and Written World, AND a special opening theme by Nik Furious.  CAN YOU STAND HOW SPECIAL THIS ALL IS?!  Rather than spoil all our picks, I’m just going to link to a bunch of different awesome stuff that we talk about in the cast, and you’ll have to tune in to see what gets talked about where.

LINKS GALORE: Hark! A Vagrant, His Face All Red, Quarter-Life Crisis, Kate Beaton’s Rogue, and MORE Kate Beaton’s Rogue, Olgaf (NSFW disclaimer!), secret (okay fine, totally not secret) evidence that leads me to believe that Ragnell either has two favorite covers or is lying in this podcast…GASP!, a link to the Valkyrie variant Secret Avengers #6 cover by Jelena Kevic Djurjevic that I mention, sexual harassment at Dragon-Con 2010, Gabby Schulz’s ‘How Every Single Discussion About Sexism…’ comic,, and a post I wrote about it and the Beaton Tweet Kerfuffle, a link to Ragnell’s write up of the Rogue/Sentry cluster-fuck, Raina Telgemeier’s Smile, a link to the Silver Age Women Fantastic Fangirls post mentioned, and a post about Greg Rucka’s departure from DC. If all of this wasn’t enough for you, you can check out expanded picks for me on my Best of 2010 She Has No Head! post, and an expanded list for Sue from her DC Women Kicking Ass Blog.  Whew. LINKS!

Come back next week for a return to our regular reviewing schedule – two comics, a hot topic and three picks of the week!

3 Chicks Review Comics is a podcast featuring female comics lovers and bloggers Sue from DC Women Kicking Ass, and Maddy from When Fangirls Attack! along with me, Kelly Thompson. Tune in weekly to CSBG Tuesdays at 2pm as we review comics, and discuss hot topics of the week. Don’t forget to subscribe to our cast via iTunes, so you never miss an episode (the subscribe button is on the main page, on the bottom right).  In addition to the blogs above, you can also follow us all on twitter as well: Kelly, Maddy, and Sue. Special thanks to Nik Furious for our awesome 3 Chicks theme song – and if you liked today’s vocal version head on over to Nik Furious’ post about the making of the theme and an opportunity to download it for yourself.

*As always beware of spoilers if you haven’t read the books in question!


Good stuff as usual. I would have liked to hear everyone’s choices, mainly because I looked at Sue’s blog and was surprised that she had Time Bomb as her favorite mini-series and Honey West as her runner-up for best new series. Not that they’re bad books, necessarily (although Honey West is not my cup o’ tea), but because they’re a bit surprising (and, actually, refreshing to see). So it would have been neat to hear others. I suppose that would have made the discussion even longer, but probably not more than ten minutes or so. Fortune favors the bold!

Did you gnash your teeth when Sue picked a Lau cover? I know how much you love him!!!!!

I don’t get Olgaf. Sorry!

@Greg. I DID private gnash my teeth when Sue picked a Lau cover! But I said (though I ended up cutting it) that it was good in a way that she picked it, as it really well illustrates how subjective art tastes are for people…and more broadly was a nice illustration of how subjective “best of lists” are too.

We did try to do more categories and have everyone do picks for each, as that was the original (and I think preferred) idea – but for some reason we couldn’t come to a consensus on what those categories should be. After about 60 emails I pulled rank and made everyone pick 3 from a master list and then we did the 4 together. I think we’ll do it differently next time…learn as you go and all that I guess. Thanks for listening though…it WAS a bit long! ;)

Olgaf is usually not my kind of thing on the surface, but I found myself chuckling mightily despite myself, I’m in.

A couple of comments:

First, there was hardly anyone who didn’t think that Sentry comic wasn’t the worst thing they’d ever seen, and not just because of what it did with Rogue.

Second, in the forest-for-the-trees department, I think the phrase “there’s no reason to leave [Jean Grey] dead this long” illustrates a lot of what’s been wrong with comics over the last 20 years or so. I know I’m in the minority in thinking that she should have stayed dead after the original Death of Phoenix story, but it’s probably just because I’m old. Get off my lawn.

@Saint Fu: Glad you agree about Sentry/Rogue being in general a low point for comics – and a good contender for “worst moment of the year for women in comics”. :)

Lisa and I disagree on Jean Grey…as I’m not that big a fan of Jean and I’m also a fan of having more characters that die, stay dead…I don’t like the constant resurrections. That said, I think Lisa made an excellent point that we have seen a massive revival of Silver Age MEN recently, while the Silver Age Women have been suffering tremendously. Prior to this cast I don’t think I would have said that it was a priority for me that Wasp, Scarlet Witch, and Jean Grey all be brought back (though I probably would have said at least Janet should be back) but after hearing Lisa talk, I’m on board. It seems unbalanced and crappy that the silver age men are getting these great stories and sometimes vigorous revivals, while these great silver age women have not only been killed off, but in some cases, like Scarlet Witch, really had their names and characters dragged through the mud. Lisa convinced me.

I totally agree that the Sentry/Rogue moment was one of the lowest points for women in comics last year, if not all of superhero comics. It’s just a trashy, throw-away plot point that doesn’t add anything. It’s like a frat boy comic book joke: “Dude, what if Sentry was porking Rogue? Hhahahaha, yeah. That’d be hilarious! Stupid pretty boy Gambit got punk’d!!!”

BUT I disagree that the Girl Comics and Marvel’s other similar efforts were a high point — not because of the content, mind you, but because of the promotion and image of said products. I personally find it condescending that they made all these non-continuity books, odd one-shots, anthologies, and fringe minis filled with talented female creators. I understand from a business perspective that they may be floating into unknown waters, but c’mon — put these creators on projects that will appeal to the primary demographic! If the problem is that the male-focused direct market is sticking too close to male-focused material, give them appealing options with other stuff in there. How many times do people say “I didn’t read that because it didn’t matter. It didn’t fit into continuity.” Well give them a kickass female-backed book that fits squarely into their continuity and affects the shared universe.

oh and i totally meant to add that you ladies should review Superman/Batman: Apocalypse. i’m only halfway thru but have a lot to say about the role of women in it.

I still cannot find it on iTunes :-(

Sadly that means I can’t listen to it.

@Zyageikunn: If you click on the link in all caps/bold at the top of the piece and scroll down a bit you can see the “subscribe with itunes” button on the right.

Or here:

I enjoyed the fact your categories differed from most countdown podcasts. Also, you guys really too companies to task and pointed out things I did not know. I loved Lisa’s comments about Jean Grey, in particular Marvel bringing in Jean-like characters (Hope & Rachel). It reminded me of a phenomena on General Hospital called the Brenda-Bot. Basically a popular heroine, Brenda Barrett, left the show and the writers created new characters that resembled (in terms of look and characterization) this popular heroine. Guess Hope and Rachel are Jean-Bots, ha!

Very late to the party here, but I agree with Nick about the whole Sentry thing. Not only was it a throw away joke but it also was a half-assed retcon to some HUGE stuff with whomever Rogue did eventually get to make love with. It craps all over her moment with that person by someone being like “Yeah, that wasn’t her first time with a man.”

Also, you guys started talking about people being offended, and I haven’t finished listening yet but are you guys familiar with the Penny Arcade dickwolf fiasco? If not, I’d check this out: (*trigger warning for rape*) http://debacle.tumblr.com/ It really reminded me of that.

I think the reason most people freak out about peoples reactions and start treating them badly or are like “You’re too sensitive, blah blah blah, etc. I’m not a mean person. I don’t condone sexist jokes, objectifying women, etc.” is because people don’t want to be the bad guys. Everyone thinks they’re this great human being, their shit doesn’t stink, etc. So, when someone finally points it out to them that they are being a terrible person they don’t want to hear it and instantly go into attack mode. They’re the good guy, you’re the bad guy who doesn’t know what they’re talking about, etc.

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