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You Decide ’11 – Who is your least favorite Green Lantern Corps member from Earth?

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Can someone please kill off Hal Jordan already? :)

Hal Jordan no contest

Guy Gardner, all the way. Hal can work, if he’s well written, I genuinely like Kyle (although I appear to be the only person in the world who does; maybe it’s because I’m a young designer), and I’m too much of a JLU fan to not like John Stewart. Gardner’s an arsehole who’s been given superpowers.

Kyle Rayner no contest, the guy is nothing more than a Peter Parker wannabe that stumbled upon the greatest weapon in the universe. He’s basically the worst of the ’90′s in what he represents, not to mention he’s just a lame Marvel hero stuck in the DCU.

funkygreenjerusalem

February 22, 2011 at 2:59 am

I want to abstain!

Even though I don’t think all are consistently well written (to put it mildly), I think all are good characters.

I may have to think on this one when I haven’t just smoked some weed – this question is taking over my mind.

But, based on nothing else other than he’s had less good stories written with him – and this is having to ignore JLU – John Stewart gets my vote.

I got excited Dwayne McDuffie was going to do good things with him in JLA, but it never really happened, and I think the Cosmic Odyssey letting the planet get destroyed due to a moment of arrogance really weighs him down too much.

No Daniel Young, Charlie Vicker or Sonya Blade? Gotta sit this one out.

Only read enough stories about Guy and Hal so may have to sit this one out.

@ Michael: I like Kyle too. I think he’s an excellent character, and I saw no reason to bring back Hal (or Barry Allen, for that matter), apart from the fact that he was the Green Lantern when Geoff Johns and Dan Didio were growing up.

I’m torn between Hal Jordan and John Stewart.

I’ll have to be Hal.

Why restrict it to Earth-based ones though?

It’s not that big a deal.

I’m more into character concepts than individual characters – Like the (Ray) Atom is my favorite DC superhero, but if he’s gone and he’s replaced by another shrinking guy called the Atom then the new guy is my new favorite superhero. Because I like the Atom.

So it doesn’t matter THAT much to me.

But Hal Jordan is my least favorite Green Lantern. And not earth-based Green Lantern. If I made a list of favorites, there would be 3,599 Green Lanterns I like better.

Guy Gardner. I was never into the crazy person thing for a Green Lantern.

Hal Jordan has never done anything to dig himself out of the position of my least favourite.

Kyle Rayner’s okay, even if I agree with the Peter Parker/Marvel-style aspect. John Stewart’s often written a little dull, but there’s potential there.

Guy Gardner is the best and most interesting, but only when he is written well, which I suppose might be only when Giffen & DeMatteis are writing him.

John Stewart.

He’s so boring and he is hardly ever used. Even if he was the stereo type angry black man, at least it would be something. He’s just so… blah. Maybe he will get more coverage in the uncoming War of the GLs.

Kyle, easily. I dislike Mary Sue characters at the best of times, and a decade of I’m The One True Green Lantern Now, and You, [insert hero standing in for the reader], Have to Learn to Live With It! did little to improve my temper.

…Of course, DC then started playing dirty with the titular women-in-refrigerators event – thus adding My Girlfriend is Dead!!!!! to his repertoire (which up to this point had consisted entirely of One True Green Lantern and Comic Book Artists Are More Imaginative).

(Yes, gentle reader, I am one of those people whose advocacy was in some ways responsible for Green Lantern: Rebirth. My apologies, I think – though I could’ve been mollified by the simple terminal intersection of Kyle Raynor and a volcano. The yellow bug thing wasn’t necessary…)

You really aren’t going to let me vote for Jade? I realize she’s not a member of the GLC now, but she was in the past.

Guy Gardner because he’s the Justin Timberlake of the GLC: Obnoxious, annoying, and downright bothersome. How Guy was chosen to become a GL is far beyond me.

I dont completely hate him anymore but Kyle is just kind of boring. Guy can be annoying but pretty funny too. The way Hal is currently worshiped is annoying but as a character he is still the best IMO.

John Stewart.

I think the only time I really liked him was in the cartoon.

I voted for Kyle but now I’m kinda thinkin’ Hal. I really don’t feel anything for Hal.

Charlie Vicker. Jerk.

I know kyles not the most original character but he has a lot of potential, and is way more interesting than Hal. I just don’t care about anything that happens to Hal. hes head strong woo hoo, so he gets my vote.

The titular woman in refrigerator event happened three or four issues into Kyle’s run. Literally the first story arc. It didn’t “add to his repertoire”. It kickstarted his career.

I don’t really know who to vote for. Hal is my favorite character. (although he hasn’t had a lot of characterization in volume 4, in my opinion) Guy was in JLI. I dislike the current retcon of John, from architect to ex-marine, and I don’t even recognize the guy in the cartoons but he was Mosaic Green Lantern so he’s good with me. Kyle had some really fun stories before Judd Winnick and Ben Raab took over.

I guess it’s Guy, because he’s a jerk. Sweet sweet memories of GL vol.3 #25.

John Stewart is the one I voted.
Kyle is the greatest Green Lantern of all time! He needs his own book now!

Are you forgetting about John Stewart’s Mosaic series? Pretty well written if my memory is correct. It improved my opinion of him a long time ago.

I have to apologize in advance, but I’ve never been a Guy Gardner fan. Matter of fact, the cover that got me started back into comics was Hal punching Guy from the early 90′s.

Guy Gardner was only interesting early in the Giffen/DeMatteis/Maguire run. Othe rthan that he has been terrible. (Just take a look at the whole Warrior mess. Ugh.)

Guy Gardner. One of the worst characters in comics history. He never deserved a ring. The only DC character worse is Lobo.

There are no bad characters, only badly used ones, but there are bad protagonists and Hal is first and foremost on the list. What an unlikable, neanderthal ass. Geoff does a good job of playing up his sheer idiocy as an ALMOST likable trait, like when he has Hal try to remember Gonzo’s name when looking for something to call Larfreeze. “You’re like THAT muppet. You know, the one with the nose!” I worry about Geoff sometimes, being in Hal’s mostly vapid, big kid, headspace so much, to be honest.

Hal worked fine in the 60s before things like introspection and women’s lib, when every kid thought it’d be cool to be a jet fighter.

There are times I’ve liked Hal plenty. Englehart’s run where he didn’t have the ring. Hal without the ring is basically a pulp action hero. That I can get behind more. I really liked him as Parallax. The idea of a GL realizing that his actions didn’t matter because he was going to make things right in the end, of turning the fearlessness on its head to make him the most dangerous villain imaginable. That was really compelling to me. Then Geoff turned THAT on its head and made Parallax into this two dimensional thing.

I don’t hate fictional characters as a rule, but I pretty much loathe Hal. What a jerk. Guy’s a jerk too but he’s used in that way. He’s written to his role, not as the shiny center piece of the DCU, and he has a hell of a lot more heart and personality than Hal anyway.

Mosaic was a great read. But other than that and JLU John hasn’t had much since Len Wein & Steve Englehart gave him his ring. Tough question!

GUY GARDNER: EMERALD WARRIOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hal’s one of my favourite characters, as is Kyle. And Guy is too fun to read, especially when written by Tomasi. John is good, but I’ve really only liked him in Justice League (the comic and the cartoon) or as a supporting character and I feel like his character is defined by Xanshi too much, especially recently.

Most of the characterization of Hal as a Neanderthal musclehead comes from Geoff Johns himself. It’s silly to say that any of it was present in the John Broome stories, I don’t see it in the GL Corps stories although I think that’s the best argument, and it certainly wasn’t there in Gerard Jones’ work.

Johns’ writing of Hal as a person is pretty mediocre. There’s no characterization there. People get upset at him for “bringing back” shallowness GL, but it seems to me that he’s largely responsible for the interpretation in the first place.

Definitely Hal “Whitebread” Jordan.

oh crap, didnt see the “least favorite” part. Guy is my favorite comic book character of all time. its probs hal or john.

first i almost passed since i liked all of the green lanterns. but then when i saw guy on the list had to vote for the character not only is arrogant but also likes being the one getting the praise all the time.

Tough choice because each character has annoyed me at one time or another. I would say Kyle because he seems the most bland and writers like Marz were trying soooooo hard to play up the idea that he was the Green Messiah, far superior to Hal during the period when Hal was dead.

Kyle – he’s kind of bland and his purpose is really voided now that Hal is back. While I disagree with Barry Allen coming back (Wally was great and Barry had a rare thing – a fitting and good death).

They’re finally treating Hal well, and now I’m waiting for the same with John. He was always more interesting when he first started in O’Neill’s stories. Guy – well he’s ok and does bring an energy to the group (although Emerald Warriors isn’t really a necessary book).

Hal Jordan is my least favorite and I wish they would find some way to kill him off for good. Green Lantern titles would be better off without him. Of course, now that there is a movie series about Hal we’re going to be seeing more and more of him. I buy just about every DC mainstream title except for Hal’s Green Lantern book. I absolutely LOVE Emerald Warriors and the Corps books, but I just can’t bring myself to buy a book based on one of the most flat and uninteresting characters ever made. I also wouldn’t be buying the new Flash book if not for the fact that Francis Manapul was doing the art and now it’s leading into a crossover involving my most favorite character Booster Gold.

F**k, I’d misread title as “Who is your MOST favorite Green Lantern Corps member from Earth?” and voted for Gardner. So please take my loser vote from him and give it to useless Stewart.

There was no option for “The Returned Hal Jordan”. I liked him well enough up until his death. I dislike new/returned Hal.

So I just voted for John.

To me, Hal Jordan has the least potential, but of course he’s the most used. The others, I’ve loved at various points and in various stories, but it seems like writers don’t always know what to do with them. John the Architect was much more interesting than John the Soldier, IMO, and Kyle, though he’s been in some big stories, has been adrift as a character since his own series ended.

Alan Scott.

Hal works really well as a cipher in his own book. All the stuff going on around him is way more interesting than he is, but he’s so one-dimensional that he doesn’t really distract from it by having characterization. It can all bounce off of him.

Gardner > Rayner > Stewart > Jordan

John Stewart. He has no personality. His popularity is only because he is needed to bring “diversity” to the cartoon version of the JLA. (Apparently green aliens don’t count.)

Ditto what Shaun M. said above – John Stewart has been written so drastically inconsistently – angry Black man, thoughtful architect, guilt-ridden man, former soldier (I missed where that happened, but I see it in current comics) – who the hell is this guy, and why can’t they pick one idea? I mean, it’s not like the character has evolved over the years, like Guy Gardner (as he wised up and mellowed out) or Rayner (as he got some experience) – but rather it’s like a completely different person simply because he’s written by different writers, who seem to throw out everything that came before.

I would have thought I’d vote for Guy just because he’s exactly the kind of loutish character I can’t stand, but there have been so many good JLI-era stories with him that I couldn’t quite do that. So I went with Kyle, who I have nothing against really except that he was pushed so hard as the One Green Lantern for a Bold New Era, and I’ve never found him particularly interesting. (It didn’t help that he was introduced at around the same time as Jack Knight, who was a much better character along similar lines.) John’s characterization has been all over the place over the years, but Mosaic made me love the guy. And Hal’s my boyhood hero, so he’s still my favorite.

Oh, and this may be implicit in the Mosaic shoutout, but I agree that architect John is way more interesting than solider John, just as I prefer old thoughtful Hal to headstrong Top Gun Hal.

Tough choice, since they each have their pluses and minuses:
- Hal Jordan: The Jet Age test pilot thing is cool. The Gil Kane costume design was awesome. He has personal connections to most of the Rogue’s Gallery. On the other hand, his characterization has been all over the place. He is a bit of a dunce and can be pretty dull in a team book setting.

- John Stewart: Really has the most upside. When John is good, he is the most interesting GL to me. He is educated and means well, but sometimes gets in his own way. He is terrific in a team setting. On the other hand, his great moments are fewer and further between than the others. He also has the worst costume of the bunch.

- Guy Gardner: He may have had the longest run of good comics of the 4 in the Giffen-DeMatties JLI. His personality really does make sense for the “strongest willed man alive”. However, he is so abrasive that he is not a terrible solo character.

- Kyle Rayner: He was a fantastic POV character in Morrison’s JLA. Ron Marz did a nice job with the whole “ordinary person thrust into extra-ordinary circumstances” thing. His costume design was actually one of the better ones of that era. On the other hand, he was so ’90s. The Marvel-Manga influences are all over him. He was on the late-Wolfman New Titans. He seems to have dated half the women of the DCU immediately prior to their (temporary) death.

On balance, I have to go with Kyle.

The sanctimonious prick.

Poor Charlie Vicker doesn’t even get mentioned? I always thought he was a really interesting character.

Trying to remember:

What planet were Rond Vidar and his father from in LSH? Weren’t they both GL at one time or another (though Rond getting the ring IIRC was a bit Skywalker-ish IIRC).

Guy Gardner is the worst Green Lantern ever.

If Mr. Cronin wanted a red ring, he asked the right question.

Guy Gardner please someone kill him already.

What planet were Rond Vidar and his father from in LSH? Weren’t they both GL at one time or another (though Rond getting the ring IIRC was a bit Skywalker-ish IIRC).

Rond grew up on Earth. His father Universo’s homeworld was never revealed, I don’t think. I’d say Earth if wasn’t for the pointy ears. And yeah, they were both GLs at one point or another.

“Most of the characterization of Hal as a Neanderthal musclehead comes from Geoff Johns himself. It’s silly to say that any of it was present in the John Broome stories, I don’t see it in the GL Corps stories although I think that’s the best argument, and it certainly wasn’t there in Gerard Jones’ work.

Johns’ writing of Hal as a person is pretty mediocre. There’s no characterization there. People get upset at him for “bringing back” shallowness GL, but it seems to me that he’s largely responsible for the interpretation in the first place.”

Actually Johns take on Hal is the closest to Broome’s of any writer that has written him in the pages of Green Lantern. Johns gets who Hal is and what motivates him obviously that irks a section of comics who think heroes have to be emo and not be truly heroic. But Hal is far from a neanderthal, he’s a cocky and confident hero who actually enjoys what he does and doesn’t need the other to whine and cry about things in his life.

For the first time in decades Hal isn’t lost and a whinny shell of himself, he’s actually the character he’s always meant to be. A guy who jumps into action and comes up with a plan on the way down, the guy who if the GLC was real would be the person you would want protecting earth because in the end he’ll always find a way to win. Like I said I know that irks a certain portion of fans who have been brought up with heroes who aren’t heroic and are like them but I don’t want to read about people like me I could never be a hero. I want to read the adventures of guys who are better, more heroic and are actually interesting to read about as heroes and that’s Hal Jordan.

The last time Hal was interesting was when he was dead. Or, a villain.

He worked so well as a legacy, that person that everyone aspired to, as opposed to a dude that just does everything well and likes to take risks. I prefer Kyle over all the lanterns, but have a weird chip on my shoulder when it comes to Hal.

Here’s hoping that in a few years someone puts him in a box and gives Kyle room to shine again.

EJ

I agree with your ideal characterization of Jordan, as an honest and fearless hero who isn’t paralyzed by angst, but I don’t see it in John’s work, where jumping into action and winging it makes him come off as merely stupid. Does Hal even have dialogue anymore?

I also think that imputing it to Broome’s work is a stretch because I don’t believe Broome cared about “personality”, even to the slight degree that would be required to distinguish Hal from Barry from Bruce from Clark from Ollie etc. It simply wasnt important to his work. Silver age DC stories were about twisty story hooks, gadgets, aliens, and the broad application of science to resolve stories. The only thing that made them Hal Hordan stories was the ring.

Kyle Rayner was a mistake from the beginning. Were it not for his existence, I would choose Guy Gardner.

Although,come to think of it, I can see that Hal hasn’t been all that well written since Emerald Twilight. But still.

Guy Gardner. Easily the most annoying character DC has ever produced, and only mildly entertaining when played as an antagonist, and a bumbling one at that. He’s like Ditko-era Flash Thompson, except a superhero and without any positive qualities.

“One punch?! And I missed it!?”

Guy Gardener and his stupid, stupid haircut.

Man, none of you people see any of Guy’s tender inner qualities.

Hal Jordan, who, if nothing else, deserves to be hated for once getting owned by Oprah in an issue of Action Comics Weekly. Plus, he’s a prick and I still don’t understand Geoff Johns’ man crush on him…

Boring Jordan. I just can’t read a whole comic about the guy.

A Poll Sugestion….. Who should’ve stayed Dead!
Hal Jordan
Barry Allen
Jean Grey
Elektra
James Hudson
Carter Hall

Kyle, but it’s not like I hate him or anything. I just don’t know much about him.

I voted John, but really, I’m not sure if I should feel amused or envious that lots of people have such strong oppinions about which character is the best or the worst.

The newest of the characters has been created more than 15 years ago. All of them have been written by a buttload of people and managed by another buttload of editors. I have read good and bad stories about all of them, sometimes with interesting characterization, sometimes not.

Look, after 22 years of reading superhero comics, I am unable to have strong favorites among any Marvel/DC characters. They’re clearly vessels for people to tell stories with.

“EJ

I agree with your ideal characterization of Jordan, as an honest and fearless hero who isn’t paralyzed by angst, but I don’t see it in John’s work, where jumping into action and winging it makes him come off as merely stupid. Does Hal even have dialogue anymore?

I also think that imputing it to Broome’s work is a stretch because I don’t believe Broome cared about “personality”, even to the slight degree that would be required to distinguish Hal from Barry from Bruce from Clark from Ollie etc. It simply wasnt important to his work. Silver age DC stories were about twisty story hooks, gadgets, aliens, and the broad application of science to resolve stories. The only thing that made them Hal Hordan stories was the ring.”

1. Jumping into action is what Hal does, stupid or not it works for him as is showcased in the last issue of GL. Johns showcases everything that Hal is about when he’s going toe to toe with Krona even though he has no shot at beating him since he controls the Ion entity. Yet there is Hal not blinking for a second, even impressing Krona by pouring all of his will into his GL ring. What’s most impressive is even though like I said he had no chance to win, his confidence makes you think he might just pull it off. That’s Hal Jordan, now I know he’s not for everybody but to me and alot of other people that’s exactly the kind of hero and person I want to read about in a comic book.

2. You would be wrong on that, this myth about all DC Silver Age heroes being bland and having no personality is just that. Hal was very different from Barry if you read enough of those comics it would be pretty easy to to distinguish what made each character tick. The problem with Hal these past few decades is that alot of writers wanted to change who he was and in turn made the character unreconizable and turned off alot of his fans. That’s why Johns take on Hal works as well as it does because it gets him back to being who he is not the whinny depressing shell of his former self that ruined him for many of even his biggest fans.

Im not necessarily saying DC Silver Age had NO personality, just that they were all basically the same character.

1) I am compelled to fight this bank robber/alien/mad scientist
2) using rudimentary scientific knowledge like melting point/freezing temp/conservation of energy. Alas, I only wish that my compulsion to put on this costume didn’t complicate
3) my love life with this news reporter/tv reporter/heiress.
4) At least, at the end of the day, my mechanic/ward/chum appreciates me.
5) Oh no, it’s Titano/Grodd/Monsiuer Mallah! Here I go again! I hope Iris/Lois/Carol won’t be too mad…

And just to be clear, I LOVE those stories.

But because of the parts where Green Arrow saves the each member of the Justice League from very specific individualized traps using trick arrows. Not for the parts where Hal Jordan becomes an Ernest Hemingway character or whatever.

Anybody citing a hatred for Mary Sue characters should be focusing a lot less venom on Kyle and a little more on the John’s version of Hal. Kyle had his duller moments, but really? He’s going to be your target for mary sue?

Even people that hate Hal want to be him. Every other GL knows Jordan is the best. Every other super hero acquesiuis to his every whim. Nobody can pick up the ladies like Hal, nobody can save the day like hal, and nobody can make someone wreck their marriage(!) like Hal Jordan.

Johns had the spectre change his MO for one story to validate his bizarre yellow brain cancer retcon. It exists only to punish murderers…oh,and to let hal jordan burn the evil out of himself —by letting the spectre get possessed by that evil. Johns made sure Batman got his lesson learned not by Superman, not by ollie, not by babs or any of the other characters Bruce had been annoying to, but by the newly ressurected Hal, so we could see that he isnt scared of Batman with a one punch turnaround. Most of every other lanterns claim to fame has been ursurped in some way now by “the original” Hal Jordan, including Alan Scott.

Johns is guilty of this on the flash too, as Barry Allen apparently somehow ‘inspired’ the JSA to be super heroes decades before he was born (new earth!)

@ Joe:

I think that you are confusing the Silver Age DC having a formula (and they did) with the characters.

Those stories were very short and highly structured. Aside from Superman, the supporting casts ranged from shallow to barely there. No conflict could run from story-to-story. So, the antagonist had be introduced, the coflict established, there needed to be a “Fuck Yeah!” moment, the conflict needed to be resolved and a jokey little tag at the end. Oh, and there should a little science lesson along the way … if possible.

It is actually amazing how different the DC Silver Agers were given those constraints. Action reveals character, after all. Those characters would each act differently in highly similar circumstances.

I don’t get how Kyle, during the Marz era, was a Mary Sue. He was a point of view character and basically screwed up at almost every turn, learning his lessons and growing. Hal was fearless. Kyle was just an average guy in over his head. If Marz was writing himself into the comic than he was writing himself as a screw-up with a lot to learn.

I can see it more during the initial Ion stuff, granted.

I always found Hal a little bit boring, and I thought he really only became interesting as the destroyer of the Corps and then Parallax. The return of him as the Spectre felt genuinely organic and as a bit of character growth, but then that was thrown down the toilet to have him return as a Green Lantern, and, as many people have said more eloquently than I, he’s become uninteresting and very, very one-note. Everything from Sinestro Corps forward might be brilliant and exciting, but I have this burning hatred for it all because Hal’s involved. I haven’t read a single issue of Brightest Day, Blackest Night, or whatever because of Hal.

That’s cool. I mean, I always liked Hal, so I hated Hal as Parallax and found making him into the Spectre kind of weird and pointless. So Johns bringing “my” Hal back was something I cheered in principle, but in practice I haven’t liked Johns’s take on the character very much (and much less James Robinson’s version). There have been some Hal stories I quite liked since then, most notably in Waid’s Brave & the Bold, so I still like having him back, but I probably won’t be picking up his comic until Johns’s reign has run its course.

Dean

I just don’t see this breadth and variety in the manner in which those characters confronted problems. In the Fox JLA stories, it’s awesome when they break off and work in pairs, but still, the characters are basically limited to “watch out, partner!” or “ah ha, luckily I noticed that this statue was made of lead!” as opposed to approaching problems in an individually consistent and unique way. How is Hal using his ring to push the robot over really any different from Barry using his speed to trip it up, or from Ollie shooting a net arrow at it?

Even the interactions between the “partners of the month” in those stories were cut and paste. You could seitch most of the dialogue between characters and not lose anything from the story. I think you’d be hard pressed to find even broad strokes of characterization, like “the hothead” or “the quiet one” without having those characterizations be informed by later interpretations of that hero.

@ Joe:

It is really a case that needs more care than I can really give it, so let’s just say that after reading a fair number of them over the last couple years that I strongly believe Silver Age DC Comics were more character-driven than they are generally given credit for. That is not to say that they are fully modern, just that they are not the cardboard cut-outs that I expected.

I have to go with joe on this one. The only differences in how Silver Age characters responded to problems and issues were due to differences in their powers, not differences in characterization.

But ONLY in JLA – in their own books the characters (at least in their civilian identities) had clearly identifiable personalities, if not dialog patterns.

@ T.:

I really do not want to over-state this, so I am going to attempt to be as precise as possible.

When Iris West was standing on a street corner with steam coming out of her ears, because Barry Allen was late again. It was an increasingly stale gag. However, when the reader sees that Barry Allen was helping a little girl fish her toy from a sewer grate, that is character. It shows two things. The first being that The Flash is a nice guy. The second is that Barry does not make his relationship with Iris a big priority. Ray Palmer would never leave Jean Loring waiting like that. Barry is not a guy that 100% engaged with his life. You see further evidence of that when he is reading comics at work. Barry was The Flash because it was fun, which is part of what made him unique.

By contrast, Jean Loring is central to the motivations of Ray Palmer. She won’t marry him until her career is established. Being The Atom gives him a way of advancing her career. Hal Jordan was different again. Carol Ferris rejects him to start the strip, so you are never 100% sure whether his interest in her is anything more than a wounded ego. He certainly has a huge ego, which is evidenced by his taking risks that other pilots leave other pilots in awe. All those traits are reflected in their powers.

Did that come across in the JLA? No. I would argue that Giffen-DeMatties was really the character-driven team book that felt like a DC book and not a Marvel knock-off. Similarly, a lot of that character work was tossed out when the Baby Boomers who grew up on the Stan Lee approach came in and didn’t understand what Schwartz, Weisinger and the rest had been doing.

Hal is just a bland and boring character. My favorite is John mostly for the animated version and Mosaic. I really wish they would do more with him. I am now getting into the GLC since John was added to the cast. I am also picking up the older trades and I like both Kyle and Guy.

Kyle Rayner is my least favorite. Air Force Test Pilot > Freelance artist (And I say this as a freelance artist).

My heart says “Guy!” (he’s so annoying) but my head says “Stewart”. Given that I *have* liked a few stories with Guy in it, while Stewart just reminds me of the lameness of “Green Lantern: Mosaic” and “Cosmic Odyssey”, I’ll have to go with the latter. (Note: I did like John on Justice League, but not to a great degree.)

DC Silver Age heroes had personalities. It’s just that they were unbelievably professional whenever they donned their costumes. They were more or less like the policemen of your dreams, their personal proclivities never interfered much in their job performance. Barry Allen was a slowpoke and a bit of a underachiever loser, Hal Jordan was a daring manly man. But when they became the Flash and Green Lantern (in the JLA, for instance) they were both consumate champions of order and a little interchangeable.

Marvel heroes were more like real-life working joes. Their rivalries, short tempers, personal problems, they took all of that with them whenever they donned their costumes. They’re the policemen you’ll probably get.

I’ve always loathed Gardner, though he’s sometimes used well (and that usually by deMatteis and Giffen).

But there was no reason to bring Hal back. Kyle’s mask is dorky, but he’s fine – but there was no reason to make him a GL as John Stewart was around. (Guy too, for that matter. Are there mutiple GLs in other sectors?)

Given that Hal is a sheet of cardboard generally, I’m going to go with him. Even before Geof John’s fanfic version of him, his sole categories from the Silver Age on were that he was brave– something that all superheroes have.

Matt D:

I don’t get how Kyle, during the Marz era, was a Mary Sue. He was a point of view character and basically screwed up at almost every turn, learning his lessons and growing. Hal was fearless. Kyle was just an average guy in over his head. If Marz was writing himself into the comic than he was writing himself as a screw-up with a lot to learn.

I can see it more during the initial Ion stuff, granted.

It has to do with the concept of the GL Corps. Which, incidentally, I don’t think has ever recovered from the abuse it suffered since Kevin Dooley and Ron Marz. Kyle was created as just the kind of character that disrespected all that the Corps was meant to represent, and the plot gave him not just plot armor, but a full-on blessed existence. He screwed up [i]all the time[/i] and people who by rights ought to set him right just failed to do so at every turn.

Kyle would be great Firestorm material. But he was terminaly miscast as a Green Lantern.

wasn there a GL from earth called Charlie Vickers ???

Yep, I will vote for Charlie Vickers !!!!!

That Kyle twerp, of course.

I post this link because it mirrors my feelings on Hal Jordan almost perfectly.

http://www.walkypedia.com/index.php/Hal_Jordan

I would have posted the links to the actual comics, but they’re ridiculously long URLs.

Hey, someone found a good use for old Hal! Never thought I’d see the day. :)

I love all green lanterns bur if i have to choose between them i would say john stewart outside of the JL cartoon he has been well used a few times but out of all of them he is the weakest. My favorite is a tie between Hal and Guy

Kyle is the worst character I never buy issues with him in it all please kill this guy off already

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