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The Line It Is Drawn #36 – American Comic Book Characters and Manga/Anime Characters

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Now on to the bit!

So every week, I ask a question here. You reply to it on our Twitter page (just write @csbg with your reply) and our SIX blog sketch artists will each pick one of your suggestions and I will post them here every week. So every week you will have a new question and you will see the top six choices from the previous week.

To qualify, you have to be following us when you reply – so go follow us and then give your answer to the following question/challenge (All suggestions due by 6 AM Pacific, Friday, April 15th).

Next week’s theme is…

As suggested by our own Eisner Award nominated Caanan Grall, team-up/mash-up comic book characters with characters from fairy tales.

Read on for the six sketches that came about courtesy of the last question/challenge!

Team-up or mash-up a Western comic book character with a manga or an anime character!

Enjoy!

No George this week, so Sean McFarland will fill-in!

I’ll put them in alphabetical order based on the name of the Twitter user who made the suggestion.

All copyright and trademarks of the following characters are held by their respective owners!

B_Granderson suggested:

lady snowblood and elektra team-up to kick some major ass

Nick Perks is the artist for this one, too. Here is his website.

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Expect a bonus drawing by Nick soon!

B_Granderson also suggested:

haruko aruhara (from furi kuri) and hal jordan team-up.

Sean McFarland is the artist for this one. Here is his website.

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BigMike20X6 suggested:

Miss Martian & Sailor Mars

Recent Eisner Award nominee Caanan Grall is the artist for this one. Here is his Eisner Award nominated website.

BigMike20X6 also suggested:

Pikachu & the Pet Avengers

Chaz Folgar is the artist for this one. Here is his website.

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BigMike20X6 also suggested:

Teen Titans & the Sailor Moon cast

Michael “Mic” Magtanong is the artist for this one. Here is his website.

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Mic then also suggested, via his Twitter account, micQuestion:

Vampire Hunter D vs. Blade

Daniel Irizarri is the artist for this one. Here is his website.

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Expect a bonus drawing from Daniel very soon!

Thanks so much to all of the suggestion-givers and, of course, our awesome artists (including our Eisner nominee)!

Now go make suggestions for next week’s theme!!

NOTE: If you wish to participate in April’s Reader Gallery, be sure to drop me an e-mail with a JPEG of your drawing (you can submit up to two drawings per month) today! Use any topic that has been featured on The Line It It Drawn (I’d prefer you use stuff from March’s editions, but I won’t hold you to that)!

43 Comments

Where’s the Rawhide Kid? Where’s Jonah Hex? Kinda not what I was expecting. :-D

These were great. I like them all. I don’t get the joke in Canaan’s though. Is Miss Martian trying to convince the Sailor Moon girl to join her in buying pants?

Yeah, that was my attempt at using the very style I’m trying to make fun of, what with all the hyper-sexualisation rampant through Manga/Anime.

This was an awesome week! I love the design elements of Nick’s piece, and Elektra looks badass. The crazy energy of Sean’s. The poster-worthiness of Chaz’s. The fun of Mic’s, and the composition/colours of Dan’s.

So much great art!

Ah ok, gotcha. Good stuff.

I don’t think you’re wrong about the hypersexualization in anime/manga, because it really is a problem, but I really don’t think American mainstream comics are much better. Supergirl’s outfit, especially given the girl’s supposed to be like 16 years old or something, along with some of the recent Star Sapphire costumes, are especially bad offenders.

Oz the Malefic

April 14, 2011 at 6:04 am

In keeping with discussions over the last few weeks…

Gotta get in tune with Sailor Moon
Cause that cartoon has got the boom anime babes
That make me think the wrong thing

I guess it’s a visual medium, so sometimes logic must be sacrificed. Miss Martian has a skirt, but at least it’s almost knee-length, but really… no-one who fights crime should wear a skirt!

Motorcycle riders in Australia are forced by law to wear the proper leathers, (regardless of the extreme heat), to minimize skin contact with the road in case of an accident. So why have so much skin contact when you’re getting slammed around by a supervillain? Which surely must do more damage than an impact with gravel. ;)

Logic be damned!

Aha! Just like I expected, I REALLY enjoyed this week’s submissions! :)

Nick Perk’s piece would have interested me more if I knew who Lady Snowblood is, but still, great visual!

And speaking of visual, Green Lantern + Fool Cool gets my award for best art this week!! (though maybe Deadpool would have been a better western character to cross it with, but nevermind.)

Aaand my favorite piece of the week: Sailor Mars and Miss Martian!! Once again masterfully conceived and designed by Canaan. And yes, I think the joke is that Martian is trying to get pants, at least for Mars (to stop all those panty shots I guess :P )

I must admit I have yet to see any Pet Avengers series; I know, I know, I must correct that. In the meantime:
-“A wild ARCEUS has appeared!”
-“Throg, I choose you!!”
(Pokemon fans will get that one. ;) )

Sailor Scouts vs Teen Titans seems unfair to me, I don’t see the scouts winning unless they tap on Moon’s hidden Princess powers. Still, great piece to look at!

Vampire Hunter D, now that’s an old one! (then again so was Blade before he got hot in the 90’s.) Not a fan of either, but very well drawn.

I’ll bet there are other pieces for this week that Cronin will show us later. Can’t wait!

Next week should be good too, though it’s been done before.

Yeah, these are a lot of fun, even though I have no idea who any of these manga/anime characters are. (Well, I guess I saw Vampire Hunter D when I was a teenager, but that was actually one of the things that made me figure I just wasn’t very interested in anime.)

Love the pieces again. This is a lot of fun.
Chaz picked one of the two ideas I was hoping he would, so I’m quite happy.
Caanan just thinks he’s all that because he’s an Eisner nominee… fortunately for us, he IS all that. Hehe, teasing you bud.
Mic sure draws girls real purdy-like too. ^_^

I forgot to submit my idea, unfortunately. I think a Tenchi Muyo meets Archie mashup would have been spot-on. Ah well, next time.

Yeah, these are a lot of fun, even though I have no idea who any of these manga/anime characters are. (Well, I guess I saw Vampire Hunter D when I was a teenager, but that was actually one of the things that made me figure I just wasn’t very interested in anime.)

I have to say, if that was one of the few things you tried, and it was so long ago, how can you say for sure you’re not interested in anime? I mean, you very well may not be, but I just think you shouldn’t be so convinced of it based on so small and outdated a sample.

Anime is like any other medium (genre?). There are a lot of mediocre and lowest common denominator stuff and there are some real gems. And you have to sift through the crappy and the average to get to the nuggets of gold. It would be like trying some Jeph Loeb, Rob Liefeld and Chuck Austen books and deciding American comics weren’t for you.

Oh, I know, and it’s not that I never try it or anything, just that I don’t seek it out. I mean, Miyazaki’s movies are something that I know I like, so I continue to check them out when a new one comes along. It’s just that there’s a seemingly prevalent cutesy big-eye style that’s hard for me to get into, the same way someone else might be put off by the exaggerated physiques and clingy outfits in superhero comics, which I hardly even notice unless they’re especially egregious.

I should say also that part of it was just situational. Vampire Hunter D wasn’t a random thing that I picked up off the rack, but something a friend of mine showed me in an attempt to show me why anime was great. In that context, it seemed like, “Hmm, if this is great anime and I find it tedious, there must not be much point in wading through other possibly less-great anime to see if there’s anything in there I like.” It’s not that I discounted the entire body of work out of hand but felt my time would be better spent with the tons of stuff that I already knew was up my alley but hadn’t read or seen yet.

I should say also that part of it was just situational. Vampire Hunter D wasn’t a random thing that I picked up off the rack, but something a friend of mine showed me in an attempt to show me why anime was great. In that context, it seemed like, “Hmm, if this is great anime and I find it tedious, there must not be much point in wading through other possibly less-great anime to see if there’s anything in there I like.”

I hear what you’re saying, but keep in mind that even with American superhero comics, there are plenty of people who would use Jeph Loeb or Brad Meltzer books as examples of great American superhero comics to show a newb. It would be a shame if someone new to American superhero comics read Loeb or Meltzer and thought “If this is the best American superhero comics have to offer, I’m not going to bother with the rest.”

Again, maybe you will try lots and lots of anime and discover it really isn’t for you. I just think based on what you said it’s just way too early to know if it’s not for you.

And I will agree with you on something, a large amount of anime is lowest-common-denominator junk. One of the biggest problems with it is that because comics and animation are so much more popular there than here, they tend to flood the market with it, so you have to be willing to slog through a lot of underwhelming stuff to get the good stuff. I believe the American comics have a similarly high crap-to-good-stuff ratio, but it’s easier to find the good in America because we have so much less comics and animation in general so sifting through the bad to find the good is not as daunting or time consuming a task here as it is there.

So basically, I think the proportion of bad to good is the same abroad as it is here, but there is just so much more product over there to make your way through.

Cream Cheese Alchemist

April 14, 2011 at 10:27 am

I think we are talking 2 different models, though. Shonen Jump was designed for subway reading, more or less. It’s much closer to Archie’s distribution than Marvel or DC. Personally, I would try something by CLAMP or One Piece.

My favorite is the TEEN TITANS/SAILOR MOON one, just really bright and colorful!

Ah, that FLCL piece is properly mental. And metal.

Akaky Akakievich Bashmachkin

April 14, 2011 at 11:33 am

@Sijo

“Nick Perk’s piece would have interested me more if I knew who Lady Snowblood is, but still, great visual!”

It is the titular character of the comic book series “Lady Snowblood”, written by Kazuo Koike (Lone Wolf and Cub, Samurai Executioner, Crying Freeman) and illustrated by Kazuo Kamimura.

The comic book was adapted several times, most notably in 1973, by director Toshiya Fujita. Lady Snowblood was played by the lovely Meiko Kaji. “Lady Snowblood” was a huge inspiration for Quentin Tarantino. His “Kill Bill” is basically an adaptation of “Lady Snowblood”, and the character O-Ren Ishii (played by Lucy Liu) was specifically modeled after Meiko Kaji. You can even hear Meiko Kaji, since she sings the “Lady Snowblood” theme throughout both “Kill Bill” movies.

The entire comic book series was published in English by Dark Horse.

http://www.darkhorse.com/Search/snowblood

The 1973. film was distributed in English by Animeigo.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0001I54U2/imdb-button/

Oh and I hereby officially title Caanan’s piece ‘MARS NEEDS PANTS’

Love the FLCL + Green Lantern piece. Just classic.

I think we are talking 2 different models, though. Shonen Jump was designed for subway reading, more or less. It’s much closer to Archie’s distribution than Marvel or DC. Personally, I would try something by CLAMP or One Piece.

Despite the models of distribution, I still think Shonen Jump is much closer to American superhero comics contentwise than it is to Archie.

Holy Chaos, Batman! Those are all really great, thanks!

Wow, I was not expecting to see Lady Snowblood. I never read the manga but I love the film.

Great work this week all around! And I love how we have TWO Teen Titans/Sailor Moon mash ups this week! They really seem to go together very well! Great work by everyone involved!

I was hoping to see a FF/One Piece combo.

The difference I see is that instead of, say, picking from the Ultimates or New Wave or whatever books you get them all in a cheap disposable format and rebuy what you like best. But yeah, Kenshin had Marvel references, Yugi had a McFarlane Toys story, Count Chocula’s twin showed up on One Piece, etc.

Speaking of crossovers, Light Yagami meets Wade Wilson: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5131368/1/Dead_Note

Speaking as someone who is often amazed by the high tolerance many western anime fans (most of the ones I have known) for mediocrity– I can attest that FLCL is something special: imaginative, subversive, and weird.

What does FLCL stand for?

Speaking as someone who is often amazed by the high tolerance many western anime fans (most of the ones I have known) for mediocrity– I can attest that FLCL is something special: imaginative, subversive, and weird.

Have you seen some of the crap that tops the American sales charts here? Especially once the annual crossovers come out? I really don’t think Western anime fans have any higher a tolerance for mediocrity than American comic fans do. It’s just that we’re more used to and forgiving of our mediocrities than foreign ones.

It’s just that we’re more used to and forgiving of our mediocrities than foreign ones.

Note that I refer to “ones I have known.” The comic book readers whom I know socially and with whom I am likely to discuss comics, tend to have standards; most of the adult fans of anime who have shared their tastes with me, are far less discriminate in their tastes.

However, my main point was that, as someone who really hasn’t enjoyed much of the anime he has seen, I regard FLCL to be a work of substance.

DAYUMN! Y’all came out w/ the heat! Looks like everyone tried injecting a bit of something new in their respective techniques!

NICK :: I didn’t know who Lady Snowblood was, but you compelled me to look her up. That’s how beautiful yours turned out. THAT, sir, is my favorite Nick Perks piece to date.

SEAN :: Wonderfully bizarre! As anything FLCL-related should be. I’m really diggin’ how clean your line art’s been since last week. I’m a huge fan of the crispy lines.

EISNER AWARD NOMINEE CAANAN :: lol! Good one, Eisner Award Nominee Caanan! Down to the visual merchandiser! I’m honored to have a shared universe w/ your piece this week.

CHAZ :: Composition is top-notch! Pikachu looks right at home, too! Looks like he’s running w/ a more gangsta crowd.

DANIEL :: So this is how it feels to have one of your suggestions make the cut. Lemme tell you… it feels HELLA good! The fact that you drew it amazingly just makes me even more attached to it. Seriously, I can’t stop looking at and admiring it. The details are hypnotic. Been a while since someone drew for me instead of me for them. Thank you!

And thanks to everyone for showing love for my piece!

To add to the discussion…

The original Vampire Hunter D was very good to me when I was in high school. (When a friend said there was a shower scene, I said, “Sign me up!”) As an adult, Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust is pure animation eye candy. As a highly visual person, I eat that stuff up. Y’all should check it out!

Also, if you love mash-ups (and I know you do)… get on Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo. My top two. Jazz mashed up w/ space and bounty hunting; and Hip Hop mashed up with Edo period samurai and REVENGE! Shinichiro Watanabe can do no wrong.

Oh man… I love me some anime. Add that to The Line It Is Drawn and it feels like my birthday/week. Thanks, Brian & TLIID!

Peace.

What does FLCL stand for?

It stands for FooLy CooLy, which is the name of the show. The show is called “Fooly Cooly,” not “FLCL,” it is just spelled FLCL for…well…I dunno what reason. “Fooly Cooly” is a slang term from the show that means things that are “taboo.”

Actually FLCL doesn’t stand for anything, though the noise of the pronounciation apparently is a sound associated with Sex. The series itself, known for breaking the 4th wall, makes jokes about how no one knows wtf it’s supposed to mean.

And the Show itself is called FLCL. It’s an insane wacky show with lots of meta and other just really crazy jokes. The creators were definitely high in writing some of it. And it is AWESOME.

In Japan the show is referred to as “Furi Kuri”; in English this is pronounced “Fooly Cooly” but it is written as “FLCL” so when fans pronounce it “Eff Ell See Ell” they are incorrect, at least according to the series’ creator.

Sean and Canaan (naturally!) are the winners this week, I think, having a bit of fun with the premise – I think a lot of the rest of these are very much “what it says on the tin”.

Awesome work guys. Nick, some stellar design work really sealed the deal on this piece; gorgeous use of all that blood!

Caanan continues to show us why he is Eisner Award material with his consistent use of hillarity.

Chaz, man I think the past 3 weeks or so have been my favorite from you, you’ve been killing it lately man, more power to you.

Mic loves the ladies- this is clear. Thanks for the comment on my lines; keeping it clean runs counter to my inclination, and I’ve honestly studied your work to try and see how I can refine my approach. You continue to be an inspiration good sir!

Dan, the sooner Marvel can adopt your design the better. Seriously, love the Blade in this picture. The fact that you were able to nail two high quality pieces this week reveals that you are not truly human….

Keep up the good work gents, and I’ll continue to ride your coat tails!

don’t think anyone was riding coat tails this week…

@Akaky: thanks for the info on Lady Snowbood. Funny how I’ve never heard of her before (or maybe I did and just forgot). But I have seen Lone Wolf And Cub and, while not my personal cup of tea, It is visually impressive (and not just for the gore.)

@T: I definitely agree that Shonen manga is the spiritual successor to American superhero comics. While here we seem to have forgotten how to tell a story without something depressing going on, they have stories that are FUN while still having the occasional dramatic moment. Not to mention direct borrowing of ideas for example Crocodile from One Piece having the power to turn into sand is too similar to Marvel’s Sandman to be a coincidence.

Sean, thanks for the kind words, dude!

tamika’s right: no one’s riding coattails here. You’re awesome all by yourself. That’s the great thing about inspiration. It’s cyclical and reciprocal. Trust that you’ve each inspired me to be a better illustrator as well, week in, week out . Thank you.

Peace.

yay!!!!!!!!!!! max is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wow am i late to this one! seriously i had the craziest weekend so, without further yammering:

-I have no clue who the lady with Elektra is, but the simple color palette in Nick’s piece really does give it this shocking cinematic vibe.

-Sean’s piece takes the cake for me, somehow capturing that absurd vibe of the show and throwing in the comicbook characters! seriously well colored and all around great!

I think Eisner Award Nominated Caanan Grall’s piece is the smartest of the lot though, since it plays with the whole over sexualization of anime and comicbook characters. I find his anime eyes to be hilariously exaggerated.

Chaz should be put on a Pet Avengers book ASAP. and i wouldn’t mind if it guest starred pikachu.

Mic’s piece is all kinds of awesome, making the girl members of the titans actually interacting in the fight with their respective sailor scouts! love it, really. the colors are really fun on this one. : )

Tom Fitzpatrick

April 22, 2011 at 5:59 pm

Suggestions, eh? I haven’t been watching all of the Line is drawn, so I don’t know if these suggestions has been done before (or even suggested):

1) Comic book character vs fictional literature characters (not fairy tales, but rather the classics, ie: Captain Ahab, or Ichabod Crane)

2) Comic book character vs movie characters (ie. Indiana Jones, Han Solo)

3) Comic book character vs tv series characters (ie. Agent Mulder & Scully, Hank Moody)

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