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3 Chicks Review Comics – Episode 017

IT’S EPISODE 017!

CLICK HERE TO LISTEN, DOWNLOAD, AND/OR SUBSCRIBE TO ITUNES NOW.

Reminder! We’ve moved the 3 Chicks Podcast to Mondays at noon and it will run alternating weeks with She Has No Head!. Follow CSBG and Kelly on twitter, so that you never miss a post or podcast!

Inside this episode! We review Scott Snyder and Jock’s Detective Comics #876, the beginning of a new arc. Suffice to say we think Snyder is killing it on this book right now, listen to find out why.  We also take a look at Mark Waid’s Ruse #2 from Crossgen by way of Marvel.  The tag line for the book is “He’s the World’s Greatest Detective.  She’s even better” which well sums up the completely fun tone of Waid’s book. For our Hot Topic we discuss accessibility of comics to new readers and the many related facets therein.  Sue picks this week’s Chick Of The Week, a powerful female artist in superhero comics that we all love. Plus everyone’s pick of the week.

Episode links!: Boston Comic Con, TCAF, Kelly’s CBR Review of Detective Comics #876, Kelly’s CBR Review of Ruse #2, Dean Trippe’s Lois Lane pitch, Ben Caldwell’s Wonder Woman pitch, Cameron Stewart’s Zatanna pitch, Ramon Perez’s Big Barda/Scott Free pitch, Wednesday Comics, Teenage Satan, Zatanna & Black Canary OGN.

3 Chicks Review Comics is a podcast featuring female comics lovers and bloggers Sue from DC Women Kicking Ass, and Maddy from When Fangirls Attack! along with me, Kelly Thompson. Tune in weekly to CSBG every other Monday at noon as we review comics, and discuss hot topics of the week. In addition to the blogs above, you can also follow us all on twitter as well: Kelly, Maddy, and Sue. Special thanks to Nik Furious for our awesome 3 Chicks theme song.

*As always beware of spoilers if you haven’t read the books in question!


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Travis Pelkie

May 9, 2011 at 10:02 am

I apparently missed seeing Sue at the Boston Comic Con (ok, it’s not like I would have known her or she known me, or cared), but I see from DCWKA that J Bone had also been there, and I missed him. Darn. (Considering all the other awesome people I did meet, it’s a moot thing. Hopefully you’ll be able to read about it soon.) Did you see that Teenage Satan yarn doll he made? Marsha Cooke said he also made a Doop with a removable brain, which sounds so cool.

But Teenage Satan has me interested, even though it’s by, y’know, a bunch of icky girls :) No, seriously Marsha Cooke was so hyped about the book, I’m interested in seeing it.

Eventually I’ll listen to the podcasts, provided certain computers of mine stop getting viruses….

Since Maddy mentioned the Jeff Lemire/Canada Reads controversy, if anyone wants to find out more, I wrote a post about it on my blog that summarizes some of the idiotic arguments that lead to it getting kicked out of the competition in the first round of the debate.

http://irrelevantcomics.blogspot.com/2011/02/jeff-lemires-essex-county-should-have.html

On the subject of being new-reader-friendly, aside from the recaps and occasional timelines/histories, I’m not sure I agree that Marvel is much better than DC. Their website is a horrible mess and their “point-one initiative” was a joke. I don’t know if you read any of those point-one issues, but some of them didn’t make any sense at all as jumping on points. Some of them were stuck in the middle of ongoing story arcs, had a completely different creative team than the regular book, and were set in a different time. So how does that help new readers jump onboard if the next issue has nothing to do with the point one?

I feel like DC and Marvel are just lazy in the way they expect their characters and IP to be a big enough draw for new readers and that anyone who’s interested will be willing to make the effort. And to some extent, it’s true. I mean, I started reading comics less than two years ago and I made the effort. I did the research online, I filled a notebook with timelines and lists and proper reading order, I bought the trades, I looked for back issues, I figured out how the direct market operates and I got myself a pull list. But I also happen to be just the right combination of mild OCD and whatever other personality traits that makes me consider this sort of thing fun. It’s part of why I like comics, because as a hobby, it fills that weird need I have to put things into lists and organize them and waste hundreds of hours researching them. I do the same thing with movies and records, actually.

For “normal” people, I’m not so sure they would go through all that effort. And considering how intimidating and unwelcoming comic book shops can be, that makes it even harder.

Maverickman874

May 9, 2011 at 4:30 pm

I will agree with Basque that the .1 initiative by Marvel was hit or miss. Some titles worked (like Uncanny X-force and Uncanny X-men) while others didn’t. But Marvel by virtue of having recap page is much more accessible to a person who picks a random monthly issue.To a person like me who reads a number of titles a month its impossible to keep track of what is going on every book after a monthly interlude. Its makes more difficult for some one like me to get to know more of the DC universe and I would wager I know more about the DCU than the general public. Giving someone to read a DC book without any context is ridiculous.

Marvel has recaps across all their lines and books ( except deadpool max I think) New ongoing series number one issues get additional backups and timelines. For example, Uncanny Xforce, X-23 and Heroes for Hire. So Marvel does a way better job than DC. I feel its one of the reasons DC comes second to Marvel every month in market share.

Oh, also, I wanted to ask whether any of you read Sigil, the other CrossGen/Marvel mini-series that’s currently coming out. It’s written by Mike Carey. When the two were solicited, for whatever reason, I decided that one looked better than Ruse, so I bought that instead, but now after your glowing review I kind of regret my decision.

Sigil’s not bad, but it certainly didn’t impress me as much as Ruse impressed the three of you.

i’m heartbroken that Maddy didn’t come to my table at TCAF. T_T

Dini didn’t create Zatanna, I think he just really digs her.

I sort of agree that there needs to be more accessible mainstream superhero material, and I sort of disagree. Lemme explain — First off, I think the dense history is somewhat of an asset, not necessarily a detractor. It’s a challenge, but there’s nothing intrinsically wrong with challenges. Second off, I used think that it was REALLY important for new readers to join the superhero fold. But nowadays, I don’t really care. Because new readers DO discover comics every day… just not licensed Big Two comics. They discover indie books, manga, webcomics, etc.

The medium isn’t going anywhere, in my opinion. Superhero comics might end up severely altered in terms of their business model. But comics are very VERY safe. Diamond sales figures are not comics sales figures — they’re a highly specific subset of comics sales.

And I don’t think there’s a direct connection to constantly courting new readers and ending up with good content. At least, I think the connection is just as tenuous as the connection between books that tie into movies being good or comics being sold in book stores being great stories. Like, there’s no straight line that can be drawn from new friendly to great story.

Anyway, I also think there are TONS of venues where superheroes thrive outside of comics. Marvel vs. Capcom 3 was a HUGE video game launch this year. I mean, mega huge. It features Phoenix, Storm, She-Hulk, and X-23. Will that land each of them their own comic? Nah. But it will get those characters out to thousands if not millions of people who’ve never read their stories before, and there’s a big chance that some of those people will get hooked on the fascinating, dense history that they share.

I guess what I’m driving at is that I agree there should always be something accessible for new readers because that’s just good business, but that making it a priority doesn’t necessarily equate to good storytelling or “saving the industry” or anything like that. I mean, courting new readers aggressively is a double-edged sword. The gimmick covers of the 90s were just as much about bringing new collectors into the fold as they were about selling to existing customers. And remember when every story had to recap the basic premise and find a way to say each character’s name in the first few pages? “Yes, Colossus. I agree that your organic metal shell provides the perfect dense against the missiles created by your estranged homeland, mother Russia.” I mean, not everything made for newbies is going to make for great stories — they can mutually exist, but they’re not mutually exclusive.

Hey Everyone…sorry I was MIA last week, a lot going on…

@Travis: Definitely try to listen to this episode since it crosses over so much with what you experienced at the con.

@Basque: I agree with you 100% that Marvel’s website is a trainwreck. It’s like the worst most un-navigatable website EVER. I avoid it at all costs, and there really is NO excuse for that in this day and age. And DC’s website is actually really user friendly and solid overall.

I also agree with you on a lot of your points about new readers in general. I just think the work required is very off-putting to bringing in new readers, and Marvel & DC do seem to just assume people will do that anyway, but I think the numbers clearly show that they won’t.

@Basque & Maverickman874: Agreed on .1 initiative. The few I read were good (including Uncanny X-Force) but on the whole it seems like a confusing idea to anyone not already mired in comics, and I’m sure it was hit and miss as to whether the actual issues worked as jumping on points. The ladies and I have talked a lot about Heroes For Hire, and the intro to that book is really well done and smart. I also think that the X-books which are massively confusing are pretty good at doing that as well. Marvel’s definitely ahead in that way, but definitely behind with the freaking website.

@Basque: To be honest I read Sigil #1 (excitedly since I like Mike Carey quite a bit) and was massively disappointed. I didn’t care for it at all. Waid’s Ruse is FAR superior in my opinion.

@ross: Awww. She is as well, I have it on good authority.

@Nick: Good points. Not sure I agree with all of them, but good points. I certainly do agree that I don’t want to return to a world of “Yes, Colossus. I agree that your organic metal shell provides the perfect defense against the missiles created by your estranged homeland, mother Russia”…I hated that shit then, I’d hate it even worse now. :)

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