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3 Chicks Review Comics – Episode 018



Reminder! We’ve moved the 3 Chicks Podcast to Mondays at noon and it will run alternating weeks with She Has No Head!. Follow CSBG and Kelly on twitter, so that you never miss a post or podcast!

Inside this episode! New Format! Let us know what you think!  We review Gates of Gotham #1, Batman & Robin #23, and Paying For It.  Hot topic this week…are DC & Marvel dumb as a box of hair? Or just incredibly tone deaf and slaves to their own echo chambers?  How can this change so comics can get better!?  Chick of the week is an independent comics creator we all love and someone we’d love to see more of…anywhere we can get it!

Episode links!: Flashpoint Controversy, More Flashpoint Controversy, More Flashpoint Controversy, Even more Flashpoint Controversy, Flashpoint Map, Coloring Mistakes?!, Lady Ghost Rider, Fireboobs!, MORE Controversy!, Paying For It, Lucy Knisley, Lucy Knisley nerd-girls, Lucy Knisley’s Wonder Women, Paying For It Review, Paying For It criticism.

3 Chicks Review Comics is a podcast featuring female comics lovers and bloggers Sue from DC Women Kicking Ass, and Maddy from When Fangirls Attack! along with me, Kelly Thompson. Tune in weekly to CSBG every other Monday at noon as we review comics, and discuss hot topics of the week. In addition to the blogs above, you can also follow us all on twitter as well: Kelly, Maddy, and Sue. Special thanks to Nik Furious for our awesome 3 Chicks theme song.

*As always beware of spoilers if you haven’t read the books in question!


I’m gonna go with “tone deaf and slaves to their own echo chambers.” As for how to change it, search me, but I’m betting hammers would be involved.

The link to that Flashpoint blog made me want to cut myself.

What would be the female equivalent to the “you’ll be singing soprano” joke?

this one was great!!! :D i really have to read Paying For It. i’m definitely siding with Maddy as far as people-who-haven’t-read-the-book go, but i’m definitely interested and i’m all for authors tackling tough subjects even if i end up disliking the work. i did some searching around and found a cool, if lengthy, review of Paying For It i found, which kind of echoes some of my and Maddy’s reservations about it: http://deathtotheuniverse.blogspot.com/2011/05/untitled-chester-brown-article.html

i don’t think i noticed the new format, though, what was different…??

the after-song/post-credits zinger got cut off! Kelly goes “…and realizing he’s–” and it ends. :(

@Michael P. Aww, c’mon…”dumb as a box of hair” is going to sweep the nation! :)

@SageShini: Yeah, I hear you.

@The Mutt: I don’t know…is there one?

@ross: Yay! Also, I already linked to that review in the post as “paying for it criticism”. And I did read that review (after we casted) and while I think he makes some good points, I personally REALLY disagree with his take overall.

The new format is that we each pick a book to review at the start of the episode, and review it, but we don’t all have to have read the same books on any given week (agreeing on books has been tough). Hopefully most weeks will go like this where there is some lively discussion because we have read some of the same stuff and/or read about the same stuff. It worked well this time, though it didn’t seem to speed us up any, which was one of the reasons for trying a new format. Balls. Then we go to hot topic and end with Chick of the Week…and we dropped the “pick of the week” section.

It’s funny, it cut me off when I listened as well, but I re-wound it a bit and then it didn’t cut off. So strange. Regardless, what I said was “…and realizing he’s a DUMBASS.” :)

I was just about to link to Matt Seneca’s review of Paying for It, but Ross beat me to it.

Kelly, I would really love to know your response to some of Matt’s arguments. I’m not saying I fully agree with him, but I think he’s making some really important observations that pretty much every review I’ve read online simply ignored or glossed over.

So yeah, if you have any thoughts, please share.

I have no read the book yet. But I do intend to buy it and to read it. (Even if that means Matt Seneca won’t respect me. I think I can live with that.)

Oh. I see you already responded. Cool.

I tend to support the underdog.

I’ll make the popcorn.

I’m sorry that I have to post this…AGAIN, but here it is:

“Admin reminder: Posters cannot post multiple comments under different usernames pretending to be different people.”

If you’ve been banned, do us all a favor and keep your multiple email addresses to yourself and just take a long walk…preferably off a short pier.

The only problem I had with Paying for It is that Brown makes a general blanket statement for his own actions and beliefs without ever talking to or about other johns. How can he fully believe himself without first hand interaction with others in his same situation?

@Kelly: ah, i didn’t see you already linked to Seneca’s review, d’oh! remember i never read the episode descriptions. ;)

i was thinking more about Paying For It even though i haven’t read it and thinking about your reactions and Matt Seneca’s and stuff, and i wonder if that even if i think the book is really good and well-done and everything, that i’ll be able to separate that from what my feelings are about Chester Brown as a person. or like… is there a difference between somebody doing something and that’s the end, or somebody does that thing and then writes it down? does it change it? anyway, i should probably just get the book.

Can you guys give a simple RSS link? I dont use, or plan to use, itunes.

Thanks for another edu-taing podcast.
Re the new format:
I think it was good that for most of the books you reviewed, at least two of you had managed to read them. Its good when possible to get multiple opinions, and it almost defeats your title if only one “chick” actually reviews each comic. The paying for it review still went pretty well though. :)

Re paying for it and human/property rights:
The arguement for legitimsing prostitution based on property rights often comes from right wing libertarians. I know nothing of Chester Brown’s politics, however if he is of that persuasion then he will probably consider property rights as an essential part of human rights (or possibly the other way round :p). I wouldn’t infer any intent to demean prostitutes based on the effective classification of their bodies as property, as they would apply the same classification to themselves as others.

And as someone from a country that has decriminalised prostitution I’d like to note that, contrary to the predictions of many conservatives, moral apocalypse did not ensue. Actually the most publicised problem seems to be the location of brothels: Every so often you get a media report that someone is trying to open a brothel too close to a school, or a family focused shopping area, or something similar. Now if you have strict planning controls on your cities and some sort of building consent process, this sort of thing can usually be stopped effectively. I guess that might be a bit of a problem in some parts of the US where they don’t have any city planning framework.

@mr. pants: I think Brown’s premise was a very personal one. For me, part of the reason Paying For It works is because he doesn’t reach too far outside the memoir aspect of reporting his personal experiences.

@ross: I think the very nature of being observed, or being aware that you are observing with intent to relay an experience, changes it. But I think Brown did this as respectfully and with as much consideration as possible. I do think you should read the book, but knowing you as I do, I think, like Maddy, you probably will not like it as I do…but I’d be interested to hear your thoughts.

@Mudassir: If you click on the link at the top of the post it will take you to Podomatic, where you can listen to the episode via the podomatic website…it’s not necessary to get iTunes involved.

@herring: Yeah, I think the intent is for at least two of us to have read the book in question so a discussion can come of it. But we’ll see how it goes.

I agree with you about where the “property rights” language comes from.

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