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When We First Met #23

Each day in June you’ll get an entry showing you the first appearance of seemingly minor characters, phrases, objects or events that later became notable parts of comic book lore. Not major stuff like “the first appearance of Superman,” but rather, “the first time someone said, ‘Avengers Assemble!’” or “the first appearance of Batman’s giant penny” or “the first appearance of Alfred Pennyworth” or “the first time Spider-Man’s face was shown half-Spidey/half-Peter.” Stuff like that. Here is an archive of what I’ve featured so far.

Enjoy!

Reader Michael C. e-mailed me a few suggestions, so here are a couple of them, Michael! Thanks for the e-mail!

First time Deadpool broke the fourth wall

I personally don’t count the promotional #0 that Marvel put out through Wizard magazine in 1998 for this. That comic was pretty much ENTIRELY breaking the fourth wall, but it was also an out-of-continuity promotional comic.

So surprisingly enough, it was not until 1999′s Deadpool #28 that Deadpool first broke the fourth wall in an actual “in continuity” regualar comic…

Kelly did break the fourth wall again in his last issue (#33), but it was really under Christopher Priest, not Joe Kelly, that Deadpool breaking the fourth wall became a recurring habit. Here is one of Priest’s extended pieces of “meta-commentary”…

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First mention of Oliver Queen’s famous chili

Amazingly enough, Ollie Queen’s famous chili was first mentioned right before one of the most famous scenes in the whole Hard Travelin’ Heroes run of comics, 1971′s Green Lantern #85…

I believe 1978′s Green Lantern #108 was the first time we saw someone actually eat some, though…


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First appearance of Deadshot

Before he was the badass that Steve Englehart and Marshall Rogers and John Ostrander made him into, Deadshot was a pretty unmemorable Batman villain. He made his debut in 1950′s Batman #59, masquerading as a good guy…

Batman and Robin figure out his plan…

but Deadshot vows to shoot Batman. Check out how Batman defeats him…

That’s a pretty damned risky plan, no?
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Feel free to send in ideas for future debuts I should feature here to bcronin@comicbookresources.com!

27 Comments

Chris McFeely

June 22, 2011 at 3:11 am

I legitimately do not understand what is going on in that second Deadpool page, whether Kelly or Priest wrote it, or how it’s an example of breaking the fourth wall.

4th wall? What’s with the three bearded gentlemen at the table? Is that Steel?

I thought it was just me… I have not a clue what’s going on in those panels.

It was part of an extended opening (and closing) to Priest’s run on Deadpool, featuring some hilarious self-deprecation. Deadpool arrives in a mysterious place populated exclusively by characters whose books were cancelled while Priest was writing them, warning Deadpool that this was the fate eventually in store for him.

yeah … glad I’m not the only one who has no idea what that Deadpool page is about …. context might help … or it might not …

I guess Priest was bald and goateed at the time?

What’s up with Cage’s hair?

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Somebody back me up on this, but I think Pool broke the fourth wall in Deadpool #0 before that. Maybe? That was a pretty goofy issue, in a good way; and he has a lot of asides that are directly to the reader, if I remember.

@Sean
Thank you Sean i was just as puzzled and courious as everyone else :). By the way, Josh/Moses is wonderful! i’ll “religiously” wait to be enlightened by the content of the sacred tablets.

Here’s an idea for a future installment – Superman’s Powers. 1st Time he flew, first time heat vision & X-ray vision were shown to be seperate, first ice-breath. things like that. It’s a great little series, full of fun and info. Thanks a lot.

David Serchay

June 22, 2011 at 6:23 am

So the Priest Deadpool pages — Panel 1 – Power Man and Iron Fist, Panel 2 Ka-Zar, Panel 3 — Moon Night, Zabu, and members of the Justice League Task Force, Panel 4 — Steel, Black Panther, and Xero (the latter a black man who disguised himself as a white man)

What’s with Ollie Queen hanging the chili ladle over his shoulder and dripping food on his shirt?

And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is why comics creators should not project too much of themselves in the comics they write, not even when writing something as wacky as Deadpool. Out of context, it just isn’t funny.

One of my favorite things about the original Deadshot story, and arguably the thing that has aged the best, is that even wacky smiling 1950s Batman still sometimes won by psychologically destroying and terrorizing his enemies. I mean, Floyd Lawton’s a trembling wreck on those last couple of pages!

Thanks for explanation, Sean! I had absolutely no idea what was going on in that page.

>And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is why comics creators should not project too much of themselves in the comics they write, not even when writing something as wacky as Deadpool. Out of context, it just isn’t funny.

Um…in context it IS rather funny. Perhaps there’s a lesson for Brian to learn about posting out-of-context sequences, but I don’t see how this reflects upon the creators.

Let me see, should I close and lock my door before I shoot up with heroin…..Nah, what are the odds that a guy who knows a guy with a magic ring might show up?

GA: “Oh dear God!You are on drugs!You’re really a junkie?” Ollie Queen, master detective, at work.

Let me see, should I close and lock my door before I shoot up with heroin…..Nah, what are the odds that a guy who knows a guy with a magic ring might show up?

For years, I totally read the scene wrong. I thought that what happened was that Green Arrow and Green Lantern left to go do some searching for the bad guys and then Green Arrow returned an hour or so later, which would make Speedy’s willingness to risk shooting up make more sense. But yeah, what actually happens is Green Arrow just goes outside to say goodbye to Hal and Speedy can’t wait a couple of minutes to shoot up. Pretty goofy stuff.

Green Lantern ate chili he made using Green Arrow’s recipe in the back-up story in Flash #226, which was published in 1974. I don’t know if it counts, but it’s there. The gag about the chili being too hot for anyone but Ollie to enjoy didn’t start there, though.

Green Lantern ate chili he made using Green Arrow’s recipe in the back-up story in Flash #226, which was published in 1974. I don’t know if it counts, but it’s there. The gag about the chili being too hot for anyone but Ollie to enjoy didn’t start there, though.

Yeah, sorry, I should have made it clear I was going for the “super hot chili” bit. But yeah, I should have mentioned the normal chili that was eaten anyways.

I’d like to see someone try to play mind games with Deadshot in Simone’s Secret Six. It’d be a very short, and bloody, scene.

Syon: the way I read that scene, Speedy wanted to be found out. As hinted in the last panel, he all but said that he had serious problems and needed help in the previous page.

IMO it fits perfectly with the personality that he displayed in that storyline – at once afraid and willing to admit his weaknesses.

Luis Dantas:

Yeah, I suppose that one could rationalize it as an expression of his desire to be found out. Heck, one could also extend that line of reasoning to GA. Considering the sheer number of hints that were dropped in the issue regarding Speedy’s drug use, GA had to be subconsciously blocking.

My one objection to this line of thought is that it seems a bit to sophisticated for the script, which, like all of the HARD TRAVELLING HEROES arc, has all the subtly of a sledgehammer.

i remember the speedy junkie reveal was one of the first times Ollie mentioned his chilli though never thought any one was ever shown eating it. as for deadshot always heard that the reason he never really tries to fire his guns much is due to losing his nerve to batman plus he looked different when he first came on the scene.

Travis Pelkie

June 23, 2011 at 3:05 am

I think I’d back up Googum, and that Deadpool 0 may have some 4th wall breaking, but it’s been a while since I’ve read it.

He doesn’t break the 4th wall in that issue where he’s in the old Spidey issue?

“But yeah, what actually happens is Green Arrow just goes outside to say goodbye to Hal and Speedy can’t wait a couple of minutes to shoot up. Pretty goofy stuff.”

Haven’t known too many drug addicts, have you?

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