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When We First Met #29

Each day in June you’ll get an entry showing you the first appearance of seemingly minor characters, phrases, objects or events that later became notable parts of comic book lore. Not major stuff like “the first appearance of Superman,” but rather, “the first time someone said, ‘Avengers Assemble!’” or “the first appearance of Batman’s giant penny” or “the first appearance of Alfred Pennyworth” or “the first time Spider-Man’s face was shown half-Spidey/half-Peter.” Stuff like that. Here is an archive of what I’ve featured so far.

Enjoy!

First reference to Batman living in Gotham City

Surprisingly, it was not until 1940′s Detective Comics #48 that Batman was said to be living and working in Gotham City.

The above crooks have come to Gotham to blackmail a singer to use as leverage against a guy they took prisoner back in Kentucky. Luckily, the singer is friends with Bruce Wayne, so Batman gets involved.
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First appearance of the famous “In Brightest Day, in Blackest Night” Green Lantern Oath

As you may or may not know, the original “In Brightest Day, in Blackest Night” oath was not Hal Jordan’s, but Alan Scott!

Alan Scott went through a couple of oaths before settling on this one in 1943′s Green Lantern #9…


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First reference to the Hulk getting stronger as he gets madder

From pretty early on, Stan Lee established that the Hulk was nearly unstoppable. In 1964′s Tales to Astonish #59, he showed us just how…

After re-using the phrase in #70, it was not used again until Hulk was well into his solo series.
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Feel free to send in ideas for future debuts I should feature here to bcronin@comicbookresources.com!

23 Comments

Good batch today Brian!

Travis Pelkie

June 28, 2011 at 6:25 am

Yeah, nice group.

Didn’t realize Doiby Dickles was such a part of GL so early on.

Did anyone see the Rolling Stone review of the GL movie? Peter Travers got offended that the movie claims Hal is the first Earth Lantern. He talks about the GA Lantern, mentioning Mart Nodell, which was cool, but it seems like…movie continuity and comics continuity aren’t the same. Travers should know that from the myriad other comics movies in the last few years. Did he get upset that MJ was in the Spidey movie, since they didn’t meet until later? Did he get upset that Wolverine was in the XMen movie? Jeez.

Who was doing Hulk art at the time, that he looks more like a big, green Don Ho?

If I remember correctly, it was Herb Trimpe and Marie Severin

Personally I’ve always preferred Alan Scott’s original oath, the weirdly poetic “And I shall shed my light over dark things… For dark things cannot stand the light… The light of the Green Lantern!”

Travis, yeah I read that. Surprisingly weird criticism from someone not even writing for a comic-centered publication but rather a mainstream music magazine. Especially because that was one of his major criticisms and there seemed to be WAY more valid criticisms of the movie to have.

Gotham City,”Detective #40″ is that a typo? Most sources say “Detective #48.”

Eric – I love that oath too. But it’s actually “I shall shed my light over dark evil.”

Brian, I know that the Hulk made that claim during the Tales to Astonish stories, because I was just reading them a few days ago. So I checked. It’s Tales to Astonish #70 – “To Live Again” – page 8 of that feature. Here’s a scan:

http://oi56.tinypic.com/15nveir.jpg

comicbookreader

June 28, 2011 at 8:18 am

@ookerdookers: nice detective work on the earlier find! But be careful about upsetting Cronin, for the madder he gets…

Travis Pelkie

June 28, 2011 at 8:25 am

Brian…wrong…about…something? World…askew…head…spinning…wha?

New question . . . when did Alan Scott come up with his famous oath? And what was he saying before? “From biggest fink/To common hood/May they not/attack me with wood”?

Is it true that Alfred Bester created the “Blackest night” oath?I’ve read conflicting accounts on the matter.

I could have sworn there was a Comic Book Legends Revealed column about that, syon, but I’m not seeing it on the list, so I guess I must have read about it elsewhere. My memory is that Bester said he didn’t, though.

Is it true that Alfred Bester created the “Blackest night” oath?I’ve read conflicting accounts on the matter.

It is something I’ve been trying to do for Legends for some time now. As you note, the reports are in conflict. Most people say it was him but he apparently said it was not. If anyone knows anything more concrete, be sure to let me know!

Brian, I know that the Hulk made that claim during the Tales to Astonish stories, because I was just reading them a few days ago. So I checked. It’s Tales to Astonish #70 – “To Live Again” – page 8 of that feature. Here’s a scan:

http://oi56.tinypic.com/15nveir.jpg

Thanks! That was an odd mention to miss! Thanks a bunch.

Gotham City,”Detective #40? is that a typo? Most sources say “Detective #48.”

Yes, typo – that scene is from #48.

Travis Pelkie

June 28, 2011 at 4:16 pm

Agh! Typo…and…missed…first…mention…head…still…spinning…urge…to…sit…down…even…though…already…sitting…Shatner…about…to…sue…me…for…copyright…infringement…along…with…Swamp…Thing…!

Just curious, before ookerdookers pointed out Tales to Astonish #70, what did Brian have as the first reference to the Hulk getting stronger as he got angrier?

Maybe the dispute over Bester and the Blackest Night oath is that his story that was supposed to have the first appearance of the oath actually used the word “darkest night.” So maybe what he meant wasn’t that he didn’t have a hand in creating the oath at all but that he didn’t specifically create the words “blackest night” but used “darkest night” instead.

This is just speculation on my part of course.

I tried to do some research myself on the Bester thing. One of the problems is that nowhere online does there seem to be a copy of the interview Bester did with Macintyre where he says he didn’t create the oath. The interview is always cited and paraphrased by third parties.

The way the interview is consistently described is that Bester denied creating the Green Lantern oath and that it was already in place when he started writing. This is kind of vague, because MacIntyre may have been asking him if he created the idea of a Green Lantern oath in general, in which case he’s right, there were oaths for a long time before he started on the book. That doesn’t mean he denied creating the “In Darkest Night” oath, but rather that he denied creating the idea of a Green Lantern oath in general. Maybe that’s where the confusion lies. We won’t know for sure unless we can find a copy of that interview and see the denial in context.

Brian, I just wanted to thank you for finding the info on “the madder Hulk gets, the stronger he gets”. I contacted you years ago with that as a question that always puzzled me. I am surprised that it was part of the Hulk’s powers from such an early time. I thought it would have come from a much later decade.

Thank you again, Brian. Your articles & features are always the most interesting to read on CBR.

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