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Drawing Crazy Patterns – Doctor Doom Couldn’t Possibly Have Survived THAT, Right?

In this feature, I spotlight five scenes/moments from within comic book stories that fit under a specific theme (basically, stuff that happens frequently in comics).

Today we look at five times that the Fantastic Four were sure that Doctor Doom was dead.

Enjoy!

I’m only counting those issues where there was a real good faith basis that Doom was dead. To wit, in Fantastic Four #17 and Fantastic Four #60, Doom plummets from a great distance (the barrier that Galactus put into place to keep Silver Surfer on Earth is a lot higher than the air ship he falls from in #17, but still, they’re both a great distance), but the dude has a personal jet pack! So I don’t think those “deaths” really count. Heck, when Doom shows up again in FF #23, Reed doesn’t even react like “Oh, Doom survived that fall?”

Similarly, since John Byrne made it pretty clear that Doom sent his mind into the body of a bystander, I’m not counting Doom’s “death” in Fantastic Four #260.

Now here’s five examples that I AM counting!

In Doom’s second appearance, he teams up with Namor and he sends the Fantastic Four’s own home, the Baxter Building, into outer space with the intent of them burning up in the sun. In the process, he dooms Namor along with the rest of the FF. Namor does not take kindly to this…

In Fantastic Four #10, after switching bodies with Reed, Doom is forced back to his own body, but he still tries to take out the FF…

In Fantastic Four #23, Doom suffers perhaps his goofiest death ever…

Solar waves.

Lordy.

In Fantastic Four #144, Doom seemingly suffers death by lackey…

In one of the more noteworthy “deaths” of Doom, in Fantastic Four #381 he appears to take Reed out with him…

If you have suggestions for future installments, e-mail me at bcronin@comicbookresources.com!

26 Comments

pedro de pacas

July 23, 2011 at 3:22 am

when did johnny wear a red costume?

and in that last selection, i though sue was possessed by malice again, but then i just realized it was the terrible 90s…

when did johnny wear a red costume?

Early 70s – an attempt by Roy Thomas to changes things up a bit. It was in honor of the original Human Torch, who we learn Johnny was a fan of in Fantastic Four #132 (when Johnny changes his costume).

It lasted over two years.

I prefer Reed’s demise during the DeFalco/Ryan era to Johnny’s recent and much-ballyhooed swansong. The anticipation could have lasted a bit longer, though. Guardian biting it in Byrne’s Alpha Flight #12 remains the gold standard for me.

And I gotta say, I’m probably the only dude who dug Johnny’s red duds and Sue’s skimpy number.

or to make it easier on the colorists :P

What about FF# 260 with Doom Vs Terrax? Or did the FF somehow know that Doom had transferred his consciousness to a bystander?

Yeah, I was going to mention FF #260, too. I think everyone was SURE he was a gonner then, too. :-)

I didn’t mind Johnny’s red outfit that much, but Sue’s “bathing suit” style? Ick. Very out of character.

I’m just thinking it’s a good thing Dooms building lifter didn’t let go while the Torch was under the Thing…I hear it’s real hard getting crushed superhero off your swim trunks. I’m just sayn’.

It’s funny that Namor just stayed in his speedo and put a helmet on instead of putting on a full spacesuit. : )

Ronald Jay Kearschner

July 23, 2011 at 5:19 pm

I liked Johnny’ red costume too. Is the original Human Torch still around in Marvel continuity? Last I remember he was a non-fighting member of Heroes for Hire during Heroes Reborn. He’d be the obvious replacement for Johnny.

Here’s my burning question:

Is the 4 supposed to be white or cut out of Sue’s horrible bathing suit number? I need to know.

It’s a cutout.

Is it completely ridiculous and out of character? Sure. But to a hormonal teenage boy in the ’90s, it was pretty much the greatest superhero costume ever.

I noticed, unlike the Joker, not one time did Dr Doom plummet into water when supposedly dying. Take that, DC!

Speaking of Doom’s “death” in Byrne’s FF #260, I thought it was a good thing for Peter Parker that Doom didn’t miscalculate and swap bodies with Aunt May instead.

So is Sue the original MILF?

Another pattern – The Thing walking away, giving his back to the reader, like the last panel of # 144??

It would be cool to see how Doom managed to survive each of these deaths rather than just how he appeared to die.

Quite a group in #381: Sue with the bathing suit uniform, Ben with the helmet, Psi-Lord. Oh, man. I like Lyja, though.

“and in that last selection, i though sue was possessed by malice again, but then i just realized it was the terrible 90s…”

I thought the reason for the costume change *was* because of Malice. and tied to the Infinity War.

I had forgotten how goofy that costume was. It makes Supergirl’s current cheerleader look reasonable by comparison.

Psi-Lord’s helmet is not much better either.

“Is the 4 supposed to be white or cut out of Sue’s horrible bathing suit number? I need to know.”

Presumably, it actually is there, but she keeps it invisible with her mental focus, so it’s fading back in because she’s distracted by watching her husband die.

[Yes, it's supposed to be cut out.]

I mean, Sue’s a sexual character when she wants to be, but she has more class than that.

That said, someone should have Emma Frost join the FF and revisit the “4 of flesh” angle. She could pull it off.

I’m surprised you didn’t use the fight with Terrax. It ends famously where Doom is frozen in his armor and screams “I Am Doom!” as the Silver Surfer and Terrax battle. I think FF issue #263 or somewhere around there.

It kicks off Doom’s mind switch with another person in the crowd watching. It is written by John Byrne, of course.

I’m surprised you didn’t use the fight with Terrax. It ends famously where Doom is frozen in his armor and screams “I Am Doom!” as the Silver Surfer and Terrax battle. I think FF issue #263 or somewhere around there.

It kicks off Doom’s mind switch with another person in the crowd watching. It is written by John Byrne, of course.

It’s the issue I mention (Fantastic Four #260) that made it clear that they did not even intend to fool us into thinking Doom was dead.

I prefere when Doom was sent back in time but Chlyde Wincham/Marquis of Death and was basically shown getting eaten by a prehistoric shark

Hey, at least Sue’s got the force fields to lift, separate, and keep the edges of that costume where they belong. She is the ONE character in all of Marveldom (aside from shapeshifters) who could logically wear that costume. More power to her.

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