Do Vertigo characters count as DC characters?

The separation of Ultimate Peter Parker and 616 Peter Parker is new this year, right?

While you are making some changes, can we leave Creator Owned characters out of it? Such as Jesse Custer, Spider and Yorick Brown. Love these characters, but seems weird to include em. Could just be me.

Do Vertigo characters count as DC characters?

Yes.

The separation of Ultimate Peter Parker and 616 Peter Parker is new this year, right?

Yeah. As it turned out, it really only mattered for two characters (Ultimate Spidey and Ultimate Cap) and that just didn’t seem to be a good enough reason to keep counting them separately. Plus, it just seemed weird to have two Spideys on the list.

While you are making some changes, can we leave Creator Owned characters out of it? Such as Jesse Custer, Spider and Yorick Brown. Love these characters, but seems weird to include em. Could just be me.

I think it is neat to see where they rank against superhero characters.

Sorry for the confusion. Can you provide a sample or a template of the voting? Kinda confused with the ACBC.

Sorry for the confusion. Can you provide a sample or a template of the voting? Kinda confused with the ACBC.

Sure.

Here is a template:

ACBC

Marvel
1 XXXX
2 XXXX
3 XXXX
4 XXXX
5 XXXX
6 XXXX
7 XXXX
8 XXXX
9 XXXX
10 XXXX

DC
1 XXXX
2 XXXX
3 XXXX
4 XXXX
5 XXXX
6 XXXX
7 XXXX
8 XXXX
9 XXXX
10 XXXX

So basically, just include ACBC somewhere in your ballot. Before your votes, after your votes, wherever.

Question…so is there a difference between voting for say – Dick Grayson/Nightwing and Dick Grayson/Batman…or is a vote for Dick Grayson, a vote for Dick Grayson, a vote for Dick Grayson?

Question…so is there a difference between voting for say – Dick Grayson/Nightwing and Dick Grayson/Batman…or is a vote for Dick Grayson, a vote for Dick Grayson, a vote for Dick Grayson?

The latter – Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown and Barbara Gordon will all count as individual characters, regardless of what identity you vote for them as. If you want to include which identity you’re voting for for that character, you can do that, and I might include it in the final results, depending on how many people do so (you know, “Dick Grayson” – XXXX points (XX from people voting for him as Batman, XX from Nightwing, XX from Robin).

But yeah, definitely don’t vote for Batman (Dick) and Nightwing as two separate characters.

DC doesn’t have the Red Circle/Archie characters anymore.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/07/20/dan-didio-dishes-on-the-new-dcu-in-pre-comic-con-qa/

I think they didn’t bother announcing it because nobody cared when they did have the rights…

Thanks, Adam, I’ll edit them out of the piece.

But yeah, either way, I don’t think it was really going to factor into the voting much.

How are you going to count votes for various incarnations of Firestorm?

I’ll count them all as one character, with specification as to which incarnation got the most support (if people specify, of course – if people just want to say “Firestorm,” that’s fine by me).

Do Watchmen characters count?

Yes. I’ll add in a bit into the main feature to make that clear.

Y’know what might be an interesting exercise, Brian? To have a poll for favorite NON-Marvel or DC characters. Such a contest would range from the Goon to Charlie Brown, from Invincible to Groo, from Asterix to Rick Grimes. Fearless Fosdick or Lt. Blueberry? Mafalda or Ranxerox? The possibilities are vast, and it would be a nice change of pace. Let’s see what people like outside the big two.

The problem would be voter turnout. There wouldn’t be enough votes for it to really mean much. Here, I hope to get over 1,000 ballots cast. I don’t think I’d even get 400 ballots for a non-Marvel/DC list.

I agree that it would be interesting, though. I’d love to do it, but I just don’t think the turnout would be there.

Why, this isn’t Greatest Stories Ever Told part 2 at all! But I like it anyway

Why, this isn’t Greatest Stories Ever Told part 2 at all! But I like it anyway

Hehe, this is why I told you that Greatest Stories would be delayed a bit, Jeremy.

Can’t very well expect people to vote for this AND Greatest Stories. So I figure Greatest Stories will be in November.

Is Damage Control a single character?

I noticed that my Marvel entities were pretty straightforward, but for DC I had to specify the civilian names as either 1) the costumed ID has been filled by multiple people or 2) the person has had multiple contumed IDs. That’s what 4 reboots in 30 years gets you I suppose.

Is Scarface/Ventriloquist a single character?

Is Damage Control a single character?

Yes.

Is Scarface/Ventriloquist a single character?

Yes.

Hey – to get a greater participation in the “Non DC/Marvel” poll, you could just add a category to this poll: Top Marvel / Top DC / Top Non-Big Two. That works!

I can see John Contantine counting, but how about King Mob. And ABC comic Characters and Marvel Icons. Probably a dumb question, you probably want to see characters that are cannon within the publishers respective Universes.

“Character” is broader than “super-hero”, right? So we can include, for instance, Alfred Pennyworth?

Yep, of course. Alfred’s eligible, Commissioner Gordon, Jarvis, whoever.

I can see John Contantine counting, but how about King Mob. And ABC comic Characters and Marvel Icons. Probably a dumb question, you probably want to see characters that are cannon within the publishers respective Universes.

If you want to vote for King Mob or Walker from Powers, go ahead. All of them count.

And ABC comics?

Great stuff as always Brian – can’t wait until you post the results

Did you say something recently about having another book published? Are the great polls you do going to be in the book? Will add to my Amazon wish list as soon as it is released…

Hmmmmmm……

Don’t really have time right now, so my list would be a bit too rushed. I’ll definitely post my picks at work later tonight.

Should I just assume that The Runaways count as a single character?

And ABC comics?

Not League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, but I suppose still Top Ten, Tom Strong and Promethea.

Did you say something recently about having another book published? Are the great polls you do going to be in the book? Will add to my Amazon wish list as soon as it is released…

Yep and yep!

Is Hawk and Dove a single character?

No.

What about Icon characters for Marvel, ie; Zack Overkill from Incognito?

I have a feeling I’ll be throwing most of my votes away because I do love some obscuros, but I’m OK with that.

Brian, do you want us to include villains? Or should we exclude villains?

What about Icon characters for Marvel, ie; Zack Overkill from Incognito?

They count.

Brian, do you want us to include villains? Or should we exclude villains?

If you want to vote for them, go for it! Everyone counts.

What about Tom Strong characters? They were ABC, then Wilstormn and now DC?

Sorry, “Wildstorm.” Stupid BB keypad.

Is the secret voting code ACBA? No.

Is it ACDC? No. (Awesome band, though. Did you know they were Australian? many non-Aussies don’t)

The secret voting code is mentioned multiple times in the body of the article. I can’t type it here or my post will be secret.

However I can say that the code resembles the non-codes quoted above.

And its first half is AC
And its second half of BC

Put the two halves together on one line and your vote will be secret.

Happy voting!

Hi is Runaways one character or many?

Wow, seriously?

Hey ArousedMigrant:

- Harley Quinn, not Harley Queen.
- Batman, not Bat-Man.
- Byron Scott is a basketball player, not a Green Lantern.
- Clayface, not Claything.
- Metamorpho is DC, not Marvel.
- Oh, and the code is not ACBV.

Hi is Runaways one character or many?

Multiple characters.

What about Tom Strong characters? They were ABC, then Wilstormn and now DC?

Tom Strong characters count. I believe only League of Extraordinary Gentlemen characters are no longer owned by DC.

Do Monsieur Mallah and the Brain count as one entry or two?

Let’s count them as one.

I usually love this kind of thing, but my interest in Marvel/DC is at an all-time low right now.

Is Dylan’s post a response to an actual previous post? If yes, pretty damn funny. If no, and he just made it up, even funnier. Either way, I like.

Should I vote for Skull Kill Krew as one character, or make it Ryder?

Should I vote for Skull Kill Krew as one character, or make it Ryder?

Let’s call them a single character, as well.

Looking at who I voted for I figure on the DC side I have 2 Maybe they’ll make the list & 8 No Way they’ll make the list & on the Marvel side 1 Definitely, 2 Maybes & 7 No Ways.

Yeah, I’m in with the In-Crowd.

I guess it goes without saying that Atari Force doesn’t count, even if Warner Brothers owned both DC & Atari at the time of the comics. 8)

And, would the Power Pack count as 1 character or 4? My votes reflect having slowly dropped all Marvel comics over the two years prior to Onslaught (Which was the final straw), and not looking back.

Power Pack is one character, yes.

Looking at who I voted for I figure on the DC side I have 2 Maybe they’ll make the list & 8 No Way they’ll make the list & on the Marvel side 1 Definitely, 2 Maybes & 7 No Ways.

Yeah, I’m in with the In-Crowd.

I think your Marvel votes are actually three definites. But yeah, your best shot among your DC votes is a long shot at best.

Would Sue and Ralph Dibney count as two characters or one? Does a vote for one count as a vote for both?

Would Sue and Ralph Dibney count as two characters or one? Does a vote for one count as a vote for both?

Two characters.

Hi,
is Fantastic Four count for as one character?

Thx

“is Fantastic Four count for as one character?”
4 characters.

4 characters.

Correct.

I completely understand your reasoning, but I’m gutted I can’t vote for Ultimate Captain America without accidentally voting for his dull 616 counterpart.

Just submitted my ballot. It got me wondering. Do you think the top 10 LEAST favorite characters would end up looking a LOT like the10 most favorite?

I’ve submitted my votes – Captain America made it in despite my gripe above – mainly because there aren’t many Marvel characters I actually like.

But – Damn! I forget Jessica Jones.

Does DC still have a license to use Will Eisner’s “The Spirit”? The wikipedia entry on Denny Colt isn’t as clear on that point as it could be; it does say that it’s been two years since his DC title got cancelled.

Incidentally, the rule about rebooted and alternate-timeline variations of a single character concept all counting as “one character” is reshaping my thinking. As it now stands, I’m probably not going to vote for “Supergirl (Kara Zor-El)” because that would mean I was implicitly endorsing the way the modern version has been handled ever since Jeph Loeb got permission to give her the Reboot treatment. My lingering affection for the Pre-COIE version isn’t strong enough to give the overall “Kara Zor-El concept” a place in my Top 10 DC characters.

Are Abomination and A-bomb the same ?

@ Xontz

I guess A-Bomb would be registered as ‘Rick Jones’ while Abomination (Emil Blonsky) remains a separate character.

Hey even though Marvel hasn’t done anything with them, do the Malibu characters count towards voting as well?

Do Astro City characters count?

Jody,
I think there’d be a strong correlation between my least favorite characters and probably most people’s top 10. I really hate Hulk, Punisher, and Ghost Rider, and while I don’t hate Wolverine, he’s usually used pretty terribly and is overexposed as hell.

*Gosh*

I wrote adam black instead of black adam

sorry, snif

That was kind of difficult.

On the DC side I had to narrow it down from 15 favourite characters.
On the Marvel side I had to figure out 3 extra characters that I kinda, sorta like.

Hey, is there anyone out there who loves Roger Willis (from Simonson’s Thor run) as much as me? Let’s get a groundswell of support here!

I’m not saying I want to include her, but she’s up for consideration…. Would Circuit Breaker, a Transformers character who’s owned by Marvel, count even though she only appeared in the Transformers comic (and the Secret Wars appearance she had previously to cement her ownership by Marvel).

Well, I’ve got it narrowed down to a Top 20 for each company, with maybe 7 Marvels and 5 DCs that could really be considered “contenders”.

I’ll figure out my Top 10s later tonight and post them.

Does DC still have a license to use Will Eisner’s “The Spirit”? The wikipedia entry on Denny Colt isn’t as clear on that point as it could be; it does say that it’s been two years since his DC title got cancelled.

I think so, yes.

Are Abomination and A-bomb the same ?

No.

Do Astro City characters count?

Yes.

Hey even though Marvel hasn’t done anything with them, do the Malibu characters count towards voting as well?

I guess so, yeah.

I’m not saying I want to include her, but she’s up for consideration…. Would Circuit Breaker, a Transformers character who’s owned by Marvel, count even though she only appeared in the Transformers comic (and the Secret Wars appearance she had previously to cement her ownership by Marvel).

Ha! Sure, you can vote for her. I expect her to get a great deal of support.

Wait, does this mean that if I vote for Wonder Tot, the vote will go to Wonder Woman? Will any Amazoo or Green Lambkin votes go to Amazo or Green Lantern? What about Bizarro and Batzarro?

I kinda enjoy all the questions about obscure characters that haven’t been used for a decade or more. There’s no chance of most of them placing, but somebody loves them and is going to throw them some support anyway, dammit. It’s almost sweet

Never underestimate Wonder Tot. She could take this whole thing.

Well, since DC IS still publishing a Spirit book (to my knowledge, at least til the relaunch), yes, the Spirit should count as a DC character. I assume the “2 years ago” bit refers to the series that Darwyn Cooke started, but there’s been a “First Wave” series coming out for a year and a half, and issue 17, I think, has some B&W stories, including a PCR story. Yay!

Now I gotta come up with lists for this…

Out of my twenty, only three were supporting characters. How was it for the rest of y’all?

Are Magneto and Xorn the same character?

My lists reflect my adoration for Jim Starlin and Warren Ellis.

Do the X-babies count as one?

Are Magus and Adam Warlock one character or two?

Two.

Do the X-babies count as one?

Sure.

Are Magneto and Xorn the same character?

Ha! I’m going with yes.

Does the JLA from DC One Million count as one character or individual characters?

Man, that was tough. I don’t read DC, so a lot of the characters I grabbed from there were characters I know a little bit about. I’m a Marvel Zombie, so narrowing that list down was really hard.

I’m finding this really difficult. My whole list has got strings attached. I love Bob Haney’s Batman or Claremont’s Professor X or Miller’s Elektra – but I hate other writer’s interpretations of the same characters nearly as much.

http://jeangreyphoenixfans.yuku.com/topic/7327/Vote-for-Jean-Grey-in-CBR-s-New-Poll#.TjAjgIIkh8F

Jean Grey

The Hulk and The Maestro?

Kang and Immortus?

I would posit that if the original Human Torch and the original Vision are two seperate characters, then so are Kang and Immortus, but maybe I’m wrong

Now, how about Vance Astro / Major Victory and Vance Astrovik / Marvel Boy / Justice? Are they the same person?

Well, I’ve got my lists posts, including fifteen runners-up for each company. (Basically, a solid Top 20, with two five-way ties for 21st. I hope that doesn’t void my ballot.)

I actually surprised myself with my DC #1. He was one of the last peope I added to my short list, but the more I thought about it, the more sense it made to put him at the top of my list. (My Marvel #1, on the other hand, is pretty much guaranteed to be close to the top of the final list.)

On my DC Top 10, I’ve got two that are locks for the top 10, five that should wind up on the final list, and three that I’d be surprised to see make the cut (including my #1). On my Marvel list, there are three definite top 10s, four that should make the list, and three that would surprise me. All in all, not a bad mix.

This was tougher than I thought, even the DC list for this Marvel Zombie. I left off favorites I was sure would make the list (sorry, Spiderman, The Thing, et al). I found myself wanting to list a writer or artist with some characters (Steve Ditko’s Betty Brant, Chris Claremont’s Ms. Marvel). I’d love to see a Top 100 Supporting Characters. And a Favorite Teams in their various formations (Avengers: Original Five, Cap’s Kooky Quartet, etc).

Yeah I’d love to see a supporting characters list. A couple made my final list but almost certainly won’t make the overall list for understandable reasons.

Likewise a villains list will be good. None made my final lists but some got close.

Now, how about Vance Astro / Major Victory and Vance Astrovik / Marvel Boy / Justice? Are they the same person?

Different.

The Hulk and The Maestro?

Kang and Immortus?

Four characters in total.

Also, the current Vision is a different character than the Vision who married the Scarlet Witch.

“Here’s the deal. You folks all vote in the comments section here”
Where do you vote? I only see questions in the comments section here.

DC – Superman
Marvel – Spider-Man

@J.Romero Great start! Now just keep on reading!

Brian, will you mention at some time all the characters people voted, or really just the top 100?

Sorry, I meant @Indy21La (I hate that you can`t delete your own comments here)

Bigby Wolf from Fables

I guess some people don’t read more than the headline before trying to vote, eh?

“1. Vote in the comments section below, making sure to include that classic word “A C B C” (without spaces) somewhere in your comment so your vote will be marked invisible.”

Looking at my list I realized that I like some pretty lame characters, but honestly Larfleeze is the best character to be introduced in at least 5 years. I’m looking at you Captain Puerto Rico.. I mean America/ Bucky.

Oh crap, typo made that show up. DAMN IT

“Oh crap, typo made that show up. DAMN IT”

Not the first. Brian has been editing these to make them disappear again, though

A few quick questions before submitting my ballot:

-Is Major Bummer still a DC character?

-I don’t want to be a a pain about this, but why do Power Pack count as one character, and not the Runaways? Both feature insular casts of characters that have made 99% of their appearances in their own book and/or as a team. Hell, the members of Power Pack have in fact mingled even more with the regular Marvel U than the Runaways, with pre-existing Franklin Richards joining the team, Julie Power briefly joining the Loners and Alex Power serving a long stint as Powerpax/Powerhouse in the underrated Skolnick/Zircher New Warriors.

-At least Arsenic (Gert Yorkes) & Old Lace are one character, right?

-Cloak & Dagger?

What about DV8? One character or multiple?

I meant all the classic versions of each character i put, except carter for hawkman, not katar.

“Honorable Mentions”

DC: Bats, Supes, Flash, Lantern & Solomon Grundy (rats, 4got him @ #10 when making the list)

Marvel: Black Bolt, Hulk, Colossus, Gambit, Rogue, Nightcrawler, Dr. Strange, Iceman, Cap, Iron Man,
& Power Man/Iron Fist

So Doc Savage counts as a DC character ?

Oh, man. Read the guidelines.

Trying to fit my favorite Marvel heroes, villains, and supporting characters in one ten list was really hard. I could probably have filled it out 5 different ways.

Silly me, forgot about Black Panther and Blade.

The first did *not* post using the suggested code…?

Oh man, the Milestone characters…

These top 100s are more frustrating than fun.

Then again, also dig Apocalypse, Magneto, Galactus & Ghost Rider.

*smh* too many marvel chars, ha ha

Man, it was hard to think of DC characters I wanted to vote for, and marvel I was overflowing with obscures that are rarely if even in comics these days. T_T

woops i forgot the a c b c

I haven’t read anything Marvel for the most part for years so my list tends to harken back to when I did, which is a long long time ago now. DC, on the other hand is different; I have a bunch of favorites that I needed to weigh against one another. And some of mine are not the typical part have been favorites since I first saw them in print.

My Marvel list was relatively typical, but my DC list? Without going into too much detail, of the big 3, one finished just outside of my short list, another wound up in 11th, and the thrid was knocked out of the top spot by a Legionnaire. I’ll be impressed if half my DC 10 makes the cut. (Especially my #4…..)

FAVORITE DC/MARVEL/IMAGE CHARACTERS:
1. THE BATMAN
2. SPIDER-MAN (PRE-OMD)
3. GREEN LANTERN
4. SPAWN
5. NAMOR, THE SUB-MARINER
6. CAPTAIN MARVEL (THE SHAZAM GUY)
7. WONDER WOMAN
8. MADAME XANADU
9. CAPTAIN AMERICA (by KIRBY, THOMAS , DeMATTEIS AND ENGLEHART)
10. THE THING

My Marvel list was relatively typical, but my DC list? Without going into too much detail, of the big 3, one finished just outside of my short list, another wound up in 11th, and the thrid was knocked out of the top spot by a Legionnaire. I’ll be impressed if half my DC 10 makes the cut. (Especially my #4…..)

I’d guess that the majority of your list makes it.

Read. The. Guide. Lines.
A-C-B-C A-C-B-C A-C-B-C A-C-B-C A-C-B-C

I read the guidelines, but asked the question because to the best of my knowledge DC only has the temporary rights to Street & Smith’s Doc Savage, but if we’re saying it counts as a DC property, since they’re currently publishing the character, then he makes my list.

Most of my Marvel list are big names, but most of my DC’s are B-listers.

What if we want to vote for our Top Ten, but we only read just one of the two companies? Ergo, I only read DC Comics, not Marvel. So I can’t easily vote for my favourites from Marvel, since I really don’t have any, nor do I know the characters that much…

This would’ve been easier for me if it was “heroes” only, I had to leave out several DC heroes simply because I like the villains (such as Luthor and Deadshot) more!

I can see Batman (Bruce Wayne) taking this pretty easy for the DC side; UNLESS the legacy aspect divides the votes too much between Wayne and Dick Grayson (Jean-Paul Valley anyone? ) As for Marvel, initially I’d guess Spidey, but there’s still alot of BND hate that might taint that. Wolverine’s a strong favorite as well, and I can’t deny that Deadpool is a strong dark horse contender. (Compared to more long running characters such as Hulk and Captain America.)

@Dylan: Using. The. Guide. Lines. Did. Not. Work. Bro.

Or, was it supposed to post ‘invisible’? Full disclosure is your friend.

Dylan wasn’t referring to you, Joey Joe.

He meant people who forgot to include ACBC.

If you post the code correctly, you will be able to see your post, with a message that it is waiting to be moderated. The general public will not be able to see your post.

Full disclosure is the enemy of enjoyable suspense. If everyone voted publicly, anyone could tally up the votes as we went along. Secret ballot allows the results to remain secret until teasingly, enticingly, gradually revealed by our congenial informational-ecdysiast host Mr Cronin.

I know there must be (right? there MUST be!) dozens, scores, nay, hundreds of posters who were able to read and understand the guidelines, and pay enough attention to recognising and distinguishing different letters well enough to correctly enter the secret code, whose raw ballots we will never see. But anyone who (like me) has subscribed to updates of this entry gets to see, via email, the steady stream of ballots from posters who fell at one of those modest hurdles (even if their ballots are subsequently corrected so as to vanish from public sight).

I thought Brian was humourously overdoing it to explain the voting code four separate times in the instructions. Now I think maybe it should’ve been included in the headline. In a size 32 font.

Ah, well, it’s all good fun!

What surprises me is the number of people who attempt to include the code but mistype it as ABCD, ACDC, ACBD, etc etc etc.

One of the funniest things I ever heard on radio was a competition where the listener who had phoned in was asked to spell the name of the band “ACDC”… and couldn’t. So apparently daunted by the (deliberately easy) question were they, they didn’t even make an attempt to answer.

Typos are inevitable. Let he who is without them cast the first stoen. But there’s nothing stopping anyone checking what they’ve typed before hitting Publish, right?

DV8, one or multiple?

Now I feel silly, I asked about the X-babies and forgot about them when I did my list! I had more trouble with the Marvel list that DC.

DV8, one or multiple?

One.

I repeat: why does DV8/Power Pack count as one character, but not the Runaways?

Team decisions are based on whether any individual member has a realistic shot at making the list.

If you post the code correctly, you will be able to see your post, with a message that it is waiting to be moderated. The general public will not be able to see your post.

I can’t see mine. Brian – do you remove these once you’ve counted them or did mine somehow not make it?

I can’t see mine. Brian – do you remove these once you’ve counted them or did mine somehow not make it?

I do remove them after awhile. We’ve already well past the halfway mark on my 1,000 ballots goal, and all those extra comments clog up the “behind the scenes” part of the blog.

So I removed them to a word document to be counted at a later date. Your post was among the posts that were removed.

“A man is, who he is, not what he does”

A vote for the Dick Grayson version of Batman, is a vote for Batman? A vote for Nightwing, is for Nightwing? A vote for Dick Grayson, straight up is for himself?

Clarify this conundrum, please.

Votes for Nightwing, Batman (Dick Grayson) and just plain Dick Grayson will all be counted towards Dick Grayson’s totals. So don’t vote for more than one version. Either pick the one you like best or just vote “Dick Grayson.”

How about Supergirl? Are all versions (Matrix, Earth Angel, etc.) going to count as one character? Is Power Girl considered a separate character?

How about Supergirl? Are all versions (Matrix, Earth Angel, etc.) going to count as one character? Is Power Girl considered a separate character?

Yeah, all Supergirl votes will go together. You can specify which one you want to support if you’d like and if enough people do so, I’ll make a point of noting which one was most popular.

Power Girl is her own character.

Thanks, I was curious about Supergirl. She just missed the top 10 I turned in last night. Power Girl came close also.

You’ve got some big stoens, Bill K.

Do the Red Hulk and the Green Hulk count as the same character?
Also do Green Scar Hulk and the usual childish version of the Hulk count as the same character?
Are Spiderman and Scarlet Spider counted as seperate characters?
Are all the spiderwomen seperate or the same character?
When a symbiote takes over someone such as the Silver Surfer is Carnage Cosmic counted differently to the normal Silver Surfer?
With characters that exist in the present and in the future or past like Spiderman and Spiderman 2099 are the ones in the present or past counted as the same charcter or different?

Do the Red Hulk and the Green Hulk count as the same character?

No.

Also do Green Scar Hulk and the usual childish version of the Hulk count as the same character?

Yes.

Are Spiderman and Scarlet Spider counted as seperate characters?

Yes.

Are all the spiderwomen seperate or the same character?

Separate.

When a symbiote takes over someone such as the Silver Surfer is Carnage Cosmic counted differently to the normal Silver Surfer?

No.

With characters that exist in the present and in the future or past like Spiderman and Spiderman 2099 are the ones in the present or past counted as the same charcter or different?

Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2099 are separate characters.

[...] been working out my Top DC and Marvel characters to vote in the CSBG poll. I understand these lists often only reflect any given moment in time, and often I’ll forget [...]

Can I count:
Hank Pym (Ant-Man, Giant Man, Goliath, Yellowjacket, Wasp),
Scott Lang (Ant-Man),
Eric O’Grady (Ant-Man),
Bill Foster (Giant Man, Black Goliath, Goliath),
Clint Barton (Hawkeye, Goliath, Ronin),
Erik Josten (Power man, Smuggler, Goliath, Atlas),
Tom Foster (Goliath),
Rita DeMara (Yellowjacket),
Janet van Dyne (Wasp),
Maya Lopez (Echo, Ronin),
Alexi Shostakov (Ronin),
Luke Cage (Power Man) and
Victor Alvarez (Power Man) as one character? I can’t see why not.

I do remove them after awhile. We’ve already well past the halfway mark on my 1,000 ballots goal, and all those extra comments clog up the “behind the scenes” part of the blog.

So I removed them to a word document to be counted at a later date. Your post was among the posts that were removed.

Thanks

Oh nuts, just forgot to say by Hawkeye, I meant Clint Barton in my above comment. Thanks!

-S

[...] my list of Top 10 Marvel Characters for the CSBG poll was a hell of a lot easier than doing the DC [...]

doom!

Do Hawk & Dove count as one character or two?

I’ve changed my mind about Hawk and Dove.

You can count them as one character (although specify which pairing you intended – Hank/Don, Hank/Dawn, Holly/Dawn).

If you already voted for one of them, I’ll just count your solo character as a vote for the pair.

I can understand about theProwler’s confusion on Power Pack; since Alex Power’s with the Future Foundation(formerly the Fantastic Four) & Julie’s with the Loners(Excelsior)

Unless the Power Pack you meant is the All-Ages version of this.

Do CrossGen characters that haven’t appeared in the Marvel titles still count? (I’m specifically thinking of Obregon Kaine from Negation)

Here’s what I’d suggest as a complete revision

1) Vote on the proper name (Heroic Legacy Name) of the character: “Miguel O’Hara (Spider-Man)” as opposed to Spider-Man.
That vote goes to the specific character, Miguel O’Hara.

2) If necessary distinguish the proper name by universe. Ultimate Peter Parker (Spider-Man). He’s a different character than 616 Peter Parker (Spider-Man) with different sensibilities and attitudes. We’re talking favorite character here, right?

3) Any vote to a general character “Spider-Man” applies to any character who falls under the Heroic Legacy Name. So voting Spider-Man adds to Peter Parker (616 and Ultimate), Ben Reilly, Miguel O’Hara, Ultimate Peter Parker, and any other character who generally uses that name. A vote for “Dove” applies to any/all iterations of Dove. A vote for “Hank Hall (Hawk)” goes specifically to the Hank Hall version of Hawk. A vote for “Hank Hall (Monarch)” also applies to the same Hank Hall. Same character.

This is what happens when you vote on characters instead of characters as written by a particular writer.

4) You cannot vote for a general character (“Spider-Man”) if you’re also voting for a specific iteration of that character (“616 Ben Reilly (Spider-Man)”). This prevents double-voting on a particular character.

5) You don’t get to vote on teams.

Not a big fan of Marvel, so I had to kind of put characters I’m kind of familiar with to complete my list…

Do CrossGen characters that haven’t appeared in the Marvel titles still count? (I’m specifically thinking of Obregon Kaine from Negation)

Sure.

This looks fun. I’d love to vote, but since you won’t allow blanks for DC I can’t.

Here is a weird question: Boom has the the comic rights to the Disney books but Disney owns Marvel. How do you handle that?

I believe Marvel currently has the rights to the Pixar stuff and the Muppets stuff, so if you want to vote for Pixar or Muppet characters, I guess you could. It’d be a bit of a fruitless endeavor, but it would be up to you!

Does Stan Lee count as a character? He’s appeared in enough comics as a character.

Sorry Hawkeye, Moonstone, SpiderwomanJessica, Baron Zemo, Taskmaster, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Cable, Powerman and Iron Fist
wish it was a top 20

This looks fun. I’d love to vote, but since you won’t allow blanks for DC I can’t.

Buddy Blank is allowed for DC. Heck, I’d say he’s mandatory.

Well, here goes my vote.

My list was pretty much off the top of my head. Especially DC since I don’t read enough of them to make a valid list, I just picked characters I like, much of it based on all the Dini/Timm animation series. For Marvel it was narrowing down who makes it that was difficult. Like many others I only like some specific runs of certain characters.

And I agree that it would be fun to have a poll for creator-owned/non Marvel-DC universe characters.

Do Slingers count as one?

Do Slingers count as one?

Sure.

I can see my comment is awaiting moderation. I included that a*** thing. Is it visible to everyone else?

If it is awaiting moderation, no.

Cheers

And I forgot Ghost Rider!!! :/

Can I count the Avengers Academy students as a group?

I’m actually going to go with a no on the Avengers Academy kids. I’m curious as to who is the most popular.

Ben Reilly.

Logan… not James Howlermonkey.

The DC crowd got a little tough for me but I found the love

I wanted to vote for Oracle, but did not want to vote for Babs as Batgirl. Boy Blue from Fables got the recognition instead.

My prediction:
For Marvel: #1. Miles Morales
For Dc: #1. Wally West
(One is sarcasm. The other will only lose because he was part of the company’s plan for a recent replacement. Guess which is which.)

Marvel:

1. Cable
2. Spider-Man
3. Wolverine
4. Magneto
5. Thor
6. Nick Fury
7. Nova
8. Steve-Cap
9. Hercules
10. Iceman

DC:

1. Batman (Bruce Wayne)
2. Batman/Nightwing/Robin (Dick Grayson)
3. Bigby Wolf
4. Superman
5. Resurrection Man
6. Joker
7. Lex Luthor
8. Renee Montoya
9. Superboy (Conner)
10. Black Adam

Marvel:
1. Spider-Man
2. Wolverine
3. Hulk
4. Iron Man
5. Captain America
6. Gambit
7. Norman Osborn
8. Magneto
9. Human Torch
10. Thing

DC:
1. Flash (Wally West)
2. Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
3. Joker
4. Lex Luthor
5. Nightwing
6. Green Arrow
7. Flash (Barry Allen)
8. Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner)
9. Wonder Woman
10. Sinestro
4.

Marvel:

1. Sam Guthrie (Cannonball)
2. Doug Ramsey (Cypher)
3. Dani Moonstar (Psyche/Mirage)
4. Ben Grimm (Thing)
5. Steve Rogers (Captain America/Nomad/Captain)
6. Warlock (Technarch)
7. Rocket Raccoon
8. Hank McCoy (Beast) (Ape version, thanks!)
9. Billy Kaplan (Asgardian/Wiccan)
10. Anna Marie (Rogue)

DC:

1. Rokk Krinn (Cosmic Boy)
2. Jenni Ognats (XS)
3. Barbara Gordon (Batgirl/Oracle)
4. Kyle Rayner (Green Lantern/Ion)
5. J’Onn J’Onnz (Martian Manhunter)
6. Ti’julk Mr’asz (Gates)
7. Lois Lane
8. Kon-El (Superboy)
9. Lyle Norg (Invisible Kid)
10. Wally West (Flash)

well i am late on this(i thin)
sorry for the “ties” but i just couldnt decide unless i will be disqualified. If you have then just pick 1st one in the line. thx

DC
1. Phantom Stranger
2. Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
3. Starman (Jack knight)
4. Superman (Clark Kent)
5. Batman (Bruce Wayne)
6. Supergirl (Kara Zor-El)
7. Huntress (Helena Bertinelli)
8. Wonder Woman
9. Hawkman (Carter Hall)
10 Deadman

MARVEL
1. Phoenix (not Dark Phoenix just Jean Grey good hero Phoenix)
2. Hulk (Bruce Banner)
3. Capt. America (Steve Rogers)
4. Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze)
5. Nightcrawler
6. Dr. Strange (Stephen Strange)
7. Capt. Marvel (Mar-Vell)
8. Thor
9. Scarlet Witch
10. Union Jack (Joey Chapman)

Wow, we just passed the 1,000th ballot marker.

That is nuts. There’s still more than two weeks left to vote!!

Maybe I should move the deadline up.

I don’t read DC. I guess my opinions on Marvel don’t matter.

Hahhahaha ive never seen so many people confused by a simply explained vote before. and good luck to whom ever has to count all these votes.

Please disregard the sentence i posted with my lists. i already weeded them down. thx.

Picky picky picky. I guess it’s true what they say about comic book nerds.

Does Cole Macgrath from the Infamous video games officially count? He is owned by DC

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Is Big Barda a Female Fury or not?

Not.

I’m a writer/poet/comic book writer who NEEDS to be heard by the masses. I’ve been creating fantasy/fiction stories for over ten years but I won’t go into any details about my work because I’m not published…yet. My favorite DC character is Superman & my favorite Marvel character is Juggernaut.

If there’s any publishers who wants to make a lot of money with some truly unique,amazing stories,give me a call -7274954027…I promise that you will not be disappointed in my ideas or stories.Let me just phrase it like this….I’m more than meets the eye…

Flash, Jay Garrick
The Flash, Barry Allen
Flash, Wally West
Kid Flash, Bart Allen

Holy hell people, read the rules, enter the code so your “vote” is hidden (its in the rules 3 times)

And what’s with the “who can come up with the most obscure character inquiry contest” Atari Force? Are they really one of your top ten favorite characters?

Whoops, misread it. Reverse the order of my list.

for the record, Bruce Banner is the ONLY HULK I am willing to count.

Secret Six as one or multiple?

Thanks for the poll. I love reading these, and tthe effort must be extraordinary.

This is the most votes any of these things have gotten and there is still nine days of voting left, so yeah, this is will be quite a pain in the ass. But it’s all in good fun!

Secret Six are multiple.

Wonder if my favorite will even make the list on the Marvel side of the coin, DC will definitely be in the top 20, if not the top ten. Although I’m pretty sure I might be the only vote for Kirk DePaul

Just for fun, my Top 10 None DC/Marvel Characters are

1. Jon Sable
2. Modesty Blaise
3. Det. Christian Walker – Powers
4. Ruben Flagg
5. Fox Mulder
6. Kenshin Hemura
7. The Phantom
8. Capt.James T. Kirk
9. Miracleman
10. Det. John McLane – Die Hard

Whats wrong with my post?

Whats wrong with my post?

Nothing. You did it correctly.

Why does this even matter?!? Pretty much the top 4 will be Wolverine, Batman, Spider-Man, Superman…

Strikeforce Morituri and Guardians of the Galaxy? One vote or multiples.

Just curious, what about Kick-Ass, does he count as Marvel?

Just curious, what about Kick-Ass, does he count as Marvel?

Yes.

Just commenting, i love wolverine but see no need to vote for him. He’ll end up in the top 3 no matter what

How would Agents of Atlas count?

How would Agents of Atlas count?

Individuals.

This changes every year for me. But it’s fun to consider.

There is one serious problem with this: you ask for us to give you BOTH lists, otherwise our vote just won’t count, but I don’t read DC at all.

However I must fill their names in order to cast my vote on Marvel, so what do I do? Well, I’ll fill the spaces with names I know from popular culture: superman, Batman, wonder Woman, Green Lantern, The Flash, etc, but this doesn’t reflect a real vote and only gives a boost to the same old characters.

Kind of unfair for those making educated votes on DC, non?

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last time Spider-Man won in a landslide, although that was pre-OMD. I’m kinda eager to see what kind of effect that might happen(I still think he’s gonna win, it’ll just be closer then people expect).

There is a whole multitude of stuff that have happened since then. To wit, Thor came back to life and had a movie and Iron Man had TWO movies (plus went from being the guy who fought Captain America to being, well, just regular ol’ Iron Man). Similarly, Barry Allen returned and Dick Grayson became Batman. And that’s just a handful of the major changes that have happened to characters since then. On top of that, we’ve more than doubled the voter turnout from four years ago.

Actually, I can’t remember if I’ve already done this or not. If I wind up having a duplicate, go with the original version, please.

Marvel:
1. J Jonah Jameson
2. Nova
3. Maddrox
4. Longshot
5. Cable
6. Peter quinn starlord
7. nick fury (not sam jackson)
8. thor
9. captain america
10. Daredevil

DC
1. starman jack knight
2. Dashel Bad horse
3. spider jeruselum
4. Wally west
5. Katar hol ( i miss you so)
6. Vic Sage
7. Buddy Baker animal man
8. Jonah Hex
9. John Constantine
10. Nightwing

crap forgot to make it invisible. oh well

I’m just getting in on this at the last minute and reading the comments I have to say (a bit late again) that I love Atari Force. I still read those back issues pretty religiously even if the back up stories with Hukka and Babe got a little goofy. Wish that book would’ve gone a bit longer but what can ya do?

Overall this was a bit hard for me. There are characters that I love as long as a certain writer is writing them (I’m think Emma Frost with Ellis supplying her dialog) but if anyone else is writing them I hate them with a passion (again Emma Frost). If this list was compiled 15 years ago it would be completely different. There are things that have happened recently that, in my opinion, have distorted and changed many characters and while comics generally get back to square one I can’t overlook certain issues. The back and forth on Peter Parker and not letting him age has made him a flimsy version of the character he once was and guarantees he won’t make my list. Another one was Wolverine. I really lost a lot of love for Wolverine when they gave him an origin. I really liked the mystery and the clues and hints dropped along the way. Once everything was revealed he just became boring.

I know I sound like a crabby old man (which is why I hate talking to my step-father about comics because he sounds like a crabby old man) so I’m going to jet.

@ Andrew Brown – Thank you for putting (not sam jackson) on Nick Fury (even though you screwed up… jeez what’s wrong with you… god… j/k). I’ve noticed that even though we still have original Nick in standard Marvel comics Sam Jackson Nick Fury is slowing becoming the Nick Fury. I had to grit my teeth a bit when my daughter was watching Super Hero Squad and Sam Jackson Nick Fury was on there. Very disappointed and expecting Marvel to have old school Nick to enter witness protection or something and get some plastic surgery any day now. After all that’s what Marvel does best: Out with the old and in with the new.

Damn forgot deadshot, who has been entertaining me since my reagan era childhood. My mom totally should have taken away a book called the suicide squad from her nine year old. Can i throw him in at #2, bumping everyone down a notch. Sorry dick

@andrew brown: Sure, Deadshot’s a badass, but he finished just outside of my list. A certain Aussie bastard with a knack for throwing sticks did make my top 10, though….

Looking forward to seeing how this list turns out, Brian.

Where and when can we see the results?

Check out the blog beginning September 1st, Beverly. It’ll be all month-long.

I can’t wait!

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MArvel:
1-Wolverine
2-Nightcrawler
3-Magneto
4-Iron Man
5-Thor
6-Gambit
7-Sabretooth
8-X-23
9-Beast
10-Daredevil

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