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52 Responses to the DC Reboot

I’m excited. Are you excited? I’m excited.

I’m generally more of a “wait for the trade” guy. And then I’m a “Check to see the library is ALSO getting the trade” guy, and if so I’m a “Not buy the comic” guy. But my LCS gave me a checklist, and I was helpless to resist – I’m buying a plethora of the DC # 1s. For those of you who are interested, the ones I’m getting will be marked with. BUYING THE # 1 (issue), or, rarely, Buying in Hardcover or Straight to Pull List. Note: It might help to have CBR’S list of all the 52 titles open in another browser. I’m already at 4000 words, so I’m not rattling off creative teams of giving background details. K?

1) This level of excitement is rare for me – I’ve read a lot of comics, and I’m just a little bit blasé about stuff that isn’t Infinite Kung Fu or King City. In geek terms, I’m the heroin addict who has to shoot up smack-dab in the eyeball or the sex addict who can’t get off without a team of Swedish Acrobats and a cauldron full of I CAN’T BELIEVE IT’S NOT BUTTER. I do read most of the DC and Marvel lines, and I don’t feel like it’s a waste of my time – but I also tend to forget most of the plot points and stuff within a couple days. Still, a line wide fresh slate reboot? That’s kind of a big deal!

2) I’m a huge sucker for # 1 issues anyway. I’m looking for new! different! exciting! And while number one issues don’t mean quite what they used to in this relaunch-happy era, a number one issue still says, to me, “Hey, we’re doing this new! different! exciting! thing.” (It’s possible I’m an easy Mark. NPI.)

3) A lot of folks online dismiss the renumbering as a cheap stunt. They’re right. But here’s the thing… Comics are ALL ABOUT cheap stunts, and they always have been. There was the “enhanced cover” boom of the ’90s. There was that three month period in the ’50s where everyone launched a bunch of 3D titles, complete with glasses. In the ’60s, DC used to AVOID renumbering to save money, which means that comics went from


to

in the space of a couple issues. At least the CURRENT DC relaunch isn’t scarring a bunch of Robby Reed fans for life by bringing in an EC-trained editor. So the new 52 is a stunt. But, dammit, gimmicks and stunts are part of a grand old tradition in comics, and this is a huge-scale, Epic stunt on an unprecedented level, and THAT catches my interest. If you’re gonna go gimmick, go big!

4) And it’s such a DC move. The thing I like about DC is this “Let’s throw crap at the wall and see what sticks” attitude, that Marvel or even Fantagraphics don’t seem to have. “Today let’s start a manga line!” That didn’t work? Fuggit! How ’bout a graphic novel line aimed at teenage girls? That went tits up? Let’s renumber all our titles from # 1! Hooray!” And I think it was Tucker Stone who said that this chaos can, occasionally, lead to great work that doesn’t read like anything ELSE DC is publishing – Like WATCHMEN in ’86, or STUCK RUBBER BABY in the mid-nineties. And, speaking as an interested historical observer of comics as much as a fan, if this causes the collapse of the American comic market… Well, hell. That’ll be really interesting. (And I really dug the Minx line. Great books all ’round.)

5) J. Caleb Mozzocco is right, of course – There doesn’t seem to be a heck of a lot of new talent here. If I were relaunching all my comics, I’d want some jaw-dropping exclusives, all Alan Moore on Superman or Stephen King writing Batman then AT LEAST John Cassaddy drawing Green Lantern. But mostly the creative teams announced for the relaunch are the same guys and (rarely) gals who have been working for DC ANYWAY, plus some folks who were working for Marvel a decade or two ago.

6) But… here’s the crux of why I’m geeked. The new line seems to be about letting the creators CREATE. It feels a lot less “Paul Dini! Peter Tomasai! You have to tie your Batman comics in with Grant Morrison’s, because Grant Morrison is the BOSS OF BATMAN! You see what he does, and work around that. What? You want to use the Bruce Wayne Batman? HELL NO! You are not THE BOSS OF BATMAN, and your work has to tie into what the BOSS OF BATMAN says. And then connect to Super-Crisis-Turbo-Crisis-Summer-Event” Meanwhile, Grant Morrison’s over in Scotland doin’ his thing and not giving a crap. All I want from my comics is a lack of coordination. Give the creators some freedom, see what they come up with. Like Roy Thomas or Bill Jemas era Marvel. And it seems like the relaunch is catering to my tastes. Although the recent Wonder Woman related interview on CBR’s front page said that this will be a “more interconnected DCU.” So. @#$%.

7) And DC is going same day digital, too, I guess. There’s a running theme in 52-commentary that this is the REALLY BIG news here, and the relaunch was obviously designed to give new readers using EYEPADS and other pieces of dystopian future technology I don’t claim to understand an easy place to start buying. So points for business acumen. But I’m an obsolete dinosaur paper guy, and I couldn’t even finish reading my illegal download of Sugar and Spike. And, really, the reason that the digital thing isn’t huge news is that NOBODY KNOWS what effect this will have – Maybe the whole digital initiative will go under in six months, maybe our children-to-come won’t know what “paper” is. Will DC save comics? Or DESTROY them?

8 Counterpoint: On the other hand. DC has been getting it’s ass kicked by Marvel in the superhero comics market throughout the ’70s, ’80s, ’90s, aughts, and last year. And, OH MY GOD I”M GETTING A PSYCHIC FLASH…. After the hype dies down, DC will CONTINUE TO GET IT”S ASS KICKED IN THE DIRECT MARKET. Conversely, according to bookscan, DC’s bookstore sales are more than triple Marvel’s bookstore sales. In the floppy comic race, Marvel wins by 25 to 25 percent. In bookstores, DC wins by 200%. So I would have expected a few Vertigo/bookstore collection titles thrown in with the superhero 52. Because that’s what DC’s good at, and that’s where they’re winning. If you’re a DC exec and you get one trade selling 20% of Watchmen numbers, you’re eating gold plated filet mignon forever. Although a monthly Astro City title with a new # 1 is a good place to start.

9) So how does the relaunch affect my pull list? Well, as of right now I’m buying… lemme see here, carry the three…. exactly zero “DC Universe” titles in single issues. I’m buying BATMAN: THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD in singles. SCALPED and SWEET TOOTH in trades, and a heck of a lot of random reprints: I would be buying WONDER WOMAN CHRONICLES, SHADE: THE CHANGING MAN and HITMAN in trades, but I b’lieve DC stopped producing all of them. Theoretically I’m buying BATWOMAN in hardcover, but lately there’s been no BATWOMAN to buy. And I’m getting ‘proximately 12 of the “New 52″ at least for the first issue. That’s an infinity percent increase!

10) So what am I most looking forward too? Batwoman. Because the last series, written by Greg Rucka and drawn by J.H. Williams IIIOhgodit’s so beautiful was everything I want from superhero comic. On the other hand, saying Batwoman is almost a cheat. J. H. Williams could draw the New Oxford Scratch ‘n Sniff Annotated Guide to Rat Feces: The Graphic Novel and I’d be all “It’s so great. IT”S SO GREAT! It’s everything I wanted from comics ever! I never knew that mouse crap could be so beautiful and soul stirring!” Heck, I stuck with Promethea through the incredibly boring years, and I drop titles like *finger snap.* * (Like I did with all the DCU titles up ’till now.) So I’m Buying in Hardcover.

11) JLA: Dark, despite the stoopid cheap Marvel knock-off name, is # 2 on my most wanted list, and is going Straight to Pull List. (I’ve got commitment issues. I’m fine with hooking up with Love and Rockets every year-or-so, but EVERY MONTH? I’m a free bird baby! I cans’t be tied down!) But I’ve been reading Milligan’s SHADE THE CHANGING MAN in trades and – Well, if every comic was a superhero love story about the secret psychedelic history of America, I’d be a happy man. So if this is anywhere close to as good as what Milligan was doing last time at bat, it should be spectacular. Straight to Pull List.

12) Also. This is a DC book with John Constantine in it. I like the character. But it’s very rare that his solo title, despite the breathtaking talent often assigned to HELLBLAZER, has done much for me. But after reading Alan Moore’s TWILIGHT OF THE SUPERHEROES pitch and reading Cheeks the Toy Wonder’s plea for John Constantine to join the Justice League I’m completely on board with the idea of John Constantine being forced, kicking, grumbling and swearing to stand next to Superman and act like a goddamn hero.

13) Speaking a big gree: I’m not getting the Swamp Thing relaunch, but I’m glad to have him Swampy back pallin’ around with the capes-and-tights crowd as well. If Bernie Wrightson, Alan Moore, and Bob freakin’ Haney all said it was okay for Swamp Thing to hang out with Batman, then it’s okay for Swamp Thing to hang out with Batman. The last few years of DC management are just wrong, that’s all.

14) And speaking of the Batman titles. I’m writing this in the library. I have this

cover on my screen, and the people around me are giving me dirty “is this guy a psychopervert?” looks. And they are absolutely right to do so, So screw you, Batman titles. Instead of buying you, I’m going to sit here and complain for ten responses.

15) Complaint one: Did anyone read Peter Tomasi’s THE LIGHT BRIGADE? God. And damn that was a great, great comic. Can we like draw up a petition to get THAT GUY back?

16) Complaint Two: Damian. Here’s the thing about Robin: He’s the point of view character. He’s the audience gateway into Batman’s world. And he’s the little shrimp that makes Batman look awesome. I’m pro jerkass Robin – “jerkass” can still be relatable, and changing the dynamic can brings a fresh twist to the traditional Bats and Boy Wonder relationship. But: When you have your Robin raised by ninja assassins, you lose a lot of the reader identification possibilities. Not many of us were circus brats, but I’m betting there’s at least a hundred of you out there who travelled around a lot as kids and were raised by two loving parents. To be relatable your character needs to be at least sort of grounded, and Damien just doesn’t do that for me, and he doesn’t work as a POV character because of it. Hopefully they either retcon the crap out of his backstory or get rid of him altogether.

17) And while we’re bitchin’ – Oh my God, I am SO with the pro-Oracle lobby. What’s Batgirl‘s origin/motivation? She likes Batman and she plays superhero dress-up. What’s Oracle’s motivation? She faces down incredible trauma and uses it to make herself into a better hero. It’s one of the most effective origins in comics, IMO, and it’s coupled with a damn-near completely original superhero MO. And were losing it to regress to a character that was already a second try at a derivative character. Pass.

18) Not that I’m surprised, mind you. Superheroes tend to revert to their most “iconic” or commonly known variants. Green Lantern reverts to Hal Jordan. Aquaman reverts to the superfriends-y look. To the general population Batgirl is Yvonne Craig or the chick from the animated series. Still, pattern recognition doesn’t do much to divert my annoyance.

19) Predictions 1: De-Oracling Babs Gordon tears the guts out of BIRDS OF PREY. The relaunch will last less than 15 issues.

20) Prediction 2: Similarly, and I’ll lay money on this. Dick Grayson back as Robin within 15 years. (I know, I don’t like it either. But the pattern is obvious.)

21) While I’m personally overjoyed we didn’t have to suffer through BATGIRL REBIRTH, FLASH REBIRTH, GREEN LANTERN REBIRTH, and for all I know TOPO REBIRTH all sold through the roof. Not to backdoor editorialize, but DC sold a metric #$%^ton of comics based on regressive resurrections. Just dumpin’ Barbara/Batgirl in a new # 1 as part of the relaunch feels like a huge missed opportunity,

22) Speaking of. I haven’t read FLASHPOINT. And I thought that, as a pure narrative, CRISIS ON THE INFINITE EARTHS was fairly terrible

22A) Okay, among other things: COIE was, at it’s heart, a story about a girl torn between two fathers with the fate of the universe hanging in the balance. That’s a fine, FINE idea for an event comic – cosmic, but humanized. But the effect is completely ruined by making all three of the triad personality-less cyphers. Has anybody cared at all about Harbinger for 20 years?

22 Resume) BUT Crisis had this huge, Epic, worlds-live, worlds-die, George Perez draws every-character-ever feel, and if most fans liked it, and felt like it was an appropriate sendoff to a huge fictional universe. Is anyone gonna say the same about Flashpoint, which is an “imaginary story” which doesn’t even feature the current version of Kid Flash, of Batgirl, of Superman? (Honestly, I don’t know, ’cause I haven’t read it. I’ll probably like it better than COIE. But I’ve read reviews, and I’m speculating “no.”)

23) The lack of Rebirths I can forgive, but where are the endings? Being all meta and sad in current comics isn’t cutting it for me – I wanna see Jeff Lemire take a swing at a 2011 version of “WJATEVER HAPPENED TO THE MAN OF TOMORROW?” Why isn’t Neil Gaiman writing “Last Days of the Batman?” (Again.) Why is there no 100 page Last Days of the JLA special? story EVER? Think how much that would sell. Does DC hate money THAT much? Are they terrified of building a little lead time so Mister Terrific doesn’t have to switch artists three times in three issues?

24) But it’s not MY company, so I’m still excited. I’m digging a lot of the new concepts. The Batman of the Congo? Sure, sign me up! So I’m BUYING THE #1 of Batwing but keeping my expectations low based on the creative team.

25) In tangential news: I’m a little sad to see Superman/Batman go. The whole series had a cheerful “Let’s throw in everything and the Creeper” approach which made it, almost invariably, a fun read. So I’m sad to see that go.

26) Segue to the Superman books. I can’t fault his Wonder Woman, so I’m keeping an eye on – but not buying- George Perez’s Superman. Supergirl could be okay… But, honestly, folks, I’ve barely enjoyed ANYTHING Supergirl since her late ’50s and early ’60s stories, where Superman was all “Okay, Supergirl, I’m too darned busy to raise you so I’m sticking you in an orphanage. I owe everything to my foster parents, but I think you’d be better off wasting away, unwanted and lonely. On the upside, you get to be Supergirl! On the downside, you’re not allowed to tell anyone you exist, and must toil away for the good of mankind for NOTHING and you don’t even have parents to raise you like I did! (P.S. I’m kind of a dick.)” I guess I just need my Supergirl staggeringly depressing. Sorry.

27) Aaaaaannnnd Action Comics. Let’s see: I really liked Rags Morales stuff on HAWKMAN. And I’m a big ‘ol Grant Morrison fan. But I didn’t care much for All Star Superman. To quote The Mutt, if “Felt like I was walking into the wrong church.” And I did Quitely more when he draws backgrounds. And a whole host of other things. But here’s a take on the Siegel and Shuster Superman? (IRONY!) MY Superman? (Granted, My Superman is from generations before I was born. Rote childhood nostalgia is for the stupid and the boring.) Buying issues # 1.

28) And, really, I don’t want to let shit the author says bother me, and mostly I think that craft is all that matters, but…. Geez, HOW many times has Grant Morrison said he was gonna retire from mainstream comics? Twice? Three times? More? And am I wrong in reading into these announcements the supposition that superhero books are a highly limited form of expression that can only be taken so far? Here *I* am writing about them, so I’m in no position to judge but I care ever-so-deeply about Grant Morrison’s image. So here’s my advice: dude. If you want to cast yourself as a world-shaking, sigil-casting shaman who revives the dead with magic masturbation spells, (A) you have cojones the size of a small planet congrats, and (B) you can’t be timid. Stops ‘n starts, false promises, second-guessing : You can do that shit if you’re a Woody Allen type, but they simply don’t work with the image you’re trying to weave. But, more importantly, there’s a general critical consensus that you’re the best superhero writer of your generation. (I agree.) You’ve got nowhere to go but down. You wanna turn into Chris Claremont or something? Superhero comics will be poorer for your loss, but – and I say this as a lifetime fan – screw ‘em! Let someone else take up the challenge of being the best. Go out on a high note! Side note: I read (and enjoyed) SuperGods, Grant Morrison’s recent memoir-and-superhero history. Unless I misremember, he flat out says he’s writing superhero books for the money. I’m not sure if this makes it better or worse.

29) I liked the Weisinger Superboy, and I really liked the Kessel/Grummet Superboy. But the new version feels like a n unholy melange of both to me, so it’s just a tad hard for me to care, regardless of the creative team. Sorry guys. Maybe I’ll see you over in Teen Titans, and….

30)

JESUS CHRIST!

31) Also. both Superboy and Teen Titans (Young Justice? If I check the title I have to look at the picture again!) are both written by Scott Lobdell. That’s not a sure sign of quality, at least in my neck of the woods. Here’s one more thing that’s making me nervous about the relaunch – See, Kelly Sue DeConnick was asked to pitch for the DC relaunch, and she basically said she didn’t have time to do something good. DC wanted a pitch, and a first issue script, almost instantly. So I’m wondering if some of the new DC titles favor people who are good at PITCHING rather than people who are good at writing. Ms. DeConnick’s OSBORN mini-series was better than anything I’ve ever read from Scott Lobdell (and several of the other 52 writers) I’d like a little reassurance that DC isn’t favoring the organized and the fast creator over the potentially great creator.

32) And, hey, Rob Liefeld’s career has come full circle – from Hawk and Dove we come, to Hawk and Dove we return. I say this with absolutely no malice. Given (A) the way the internet responds to Rob Liefeld and (B) the very nature of my soul it’s impossible for me to bag on the guy. Unless somebody does something REALLY wrong – like #$%^&&* their Grandmother wrong – it’s just not in my nature to join internet dog-packs. To be the kind of man that I want to be in this world, I have to defend Rob Liefeld. That’s the way of it. But, honestly, I do kind of like the guy’s work. I always get the sense that he loves what he’s doing and I find an almost palpable sense of enjoyment in his stuff. This does not make up for a lack of technical proficiency – They’re not mutually exclusive. I’d rather have both. but given a binary choice I’d rather have fun and flawed than technically perfect and soulless. I’m not buying this with, like, money or anything, but I’m kinda glad it exists. And there are worse looking titles, like….

33)


And here’s what writer Adam Glass has to say about the book, from the DC Source blog.

I grew up reading the SUICIDE SQUAD and have nothing but the utmost respect for all those who came before me. But I feel the world has changed and people want even their fantasy to have more reality to it. Look at James Bond’s Casino Royale. It was a new Bond for a new generation. Harder, smarter, less cheese. That’s what we’re doing with SUICIDE SQUAD. If there really was an organization that used Super Villains for Black Ops Operations, how would that really look? How would they be treated?

He goes on to describe his own version as ‘kick ass.” Shockingly, it seems the interview was pulled, or at least I can’t find it anywhere.

34) Speaking of huge mistakes – MightyGodKing nailed it. The integration of the Wildstorm titles into the DCU is a huge mistake. The Wildstorm material had a very specific tone – It’s a dog universe with attitude. It’s edgy, it’s “in your face.” You’ve heard the expression “let’s get busy”? Well, this is a dog universe who gets “biz-zay!” Consistently and thoroughly.

35) Basically: The best known and most popular non-Alan Moore Wildstorm material is strongly laced with charicturistic parody – The POINT of this stuff is that it’s completely different than stodgy old DC, and that simply won’t work when contrasted against canonical stories about how awesome Superman is. I really feel for poor Paul Cornell having to write Stormwatch.

36) AND ANOTHER THING: I get the logic, but that’s a crappy, passive name for a superhero book. What, exactly, was wrong with the AUTHORITY.

37) And then there’s Voodoo, which Ron Marz pitched just so he can say he did something better than Alan Moore.

38) Speaking of Paul Cornell, though, Demon Knights sounds EXACTLY like the kinda thing I like. Anytime you have “B-List superheroes in exotic settings I’m on board, and Cornells’ CAPTAIN BRITAIN and M-13 might be the absolute best of the (admittedly small) genre. I’m slightly afraid the book will be all pretty pictures and low content, but I like pretty picture too. Straight to Pull List.

39) Y’know… I don’t want to be too snarky – There were a bunch of Wildstorm books that I like. Some of them weren’t even written by Alan Moore. These were, primarily, the books that didn’t FEEL like Wildstorm books like WELCOME TO TRANQUILTY and MISTER MAJESTIC. (And I did a little dance when the Authority beat “God.” I’m not completely heartless.) But by the end I’d felt that the Wildstorm Universe had said all it had to say, and I was hoping it would turn into a home for creator-owned genre projects that didn’t fit in at Vertigo, like the super-spiffy Mysterius the Unfathomable.)

40) Dc’s also continuing to integrate the Milestone line, and this is stuff that I *do* care about, and stuff that I *am* happy to see continue. There’s a Static book which… could…. possibly…. maybe be good? In general the Milestone books were more humanistic and character driven than the Wildstorm comics, more concerned with telling stories about people than being NOT DC. So in theory they might integrate better.

41) In practice, though, the best CAPTAIN MARVEL, PLASTIC MAN, and SPIRIT stories are STILL from the ’40s and ’50s. I don’t have a lot of hope. Still, I’m getting Static # 1.

42) But occasionally integration works. The Question and Blue Beetle did better at DC than they did at Charlton, and I’ve heard the Blackhawks had a great run under Evanier and Speigle. (I’ve read one issue.) So…. so…. mmmmmaaaaayyyyyyyybe.

43) SEGUE! Here’s what I want from a Sgt. Rock comic. 1) Sgt. Rock punches some dirty Nazis. 2) Sgt. Rock punches some giant dirty Nazis. 3) Sgt. Rock shoots some other Nazis with a machine gun. 4) Sgt. Rock punches a bear. 5) SGT. Rock punches a giant freaking dirty bear that is a secret Nazi spy and HELL YEAH ROBERT KANIGHER! There is right and there is wrong in this world. Anything that doesn’t follow my five point Sgt. Rock writing system is wrong. A similar system can be devised to refute the superheroed up Jonah Hex.

44) I am hopeful for the Blackhawks, though. Combining WW2 aviation with superhero action? What could… possibly… go….

Oh my Lord. Oh my dear… dear… Lord. This new Blackhawk is going to he the SECOND worst thing ever, isn’t it?

45) Must… find… something…. good. Oh, hey, that’s a relief. Travel Foreman – who drew the living crap out of the brilliant Fraction/Brubaker Iron Fist run a couple years ago, is drawing Animal Man. Iron Fist style Epic noir is absolutely the correct approach to Buddy, and I’m all sortsa geeked. Getting issue # 1, and probably pull list.


46) Shoot, I’m at 46 and I haven’t mentioned the “straight” superheroes who aren’t part of a “family.” Let’s fix that. I’m a huge Wonder Woman fan, so I’m pretty much getting ANY Wonder Woman # 1, but I’m double-’specially getting THIS Wonder Woman # 1. Now, admitedly, the ARCHITECTURE AND MORALITY trade that all you guys were raving about didn’t do much for me despite looking exactly like the kind of thing I like, but I’m a pretty big fan of both creators. And Wonder Woman as a horror story just WORKS for me, in an ineffable kind of way. Getting Issue # 1. And probably more.

47) You know what I really DID like? The Jason and Gehenna Firestorm. You know what I don’t like? Any other Firestorm ever. So I’m 50% pleased with Firestorm. So I’m not buying this new take.

48) I dig “Absent minded professor type as superhero cop” more than “What if the Earth Two Robin was kind of a jerk” so I like Barry better than classic Wally. (Though I like Wally as father to the Incredibles most of all. I’m sure there’s AT LEAST three other people out there who agree. We should start a support group, drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes.) I read but don’t remember anything about FLASH REBIRTH, but loved the first trade of the Johns/Manapul Flash series. I’m sad to see it go, and I’m a little nervous about the new Johns-less version…. But the previews are convincing me that this could be high concept and little Grant Morrison-y and great. I’m not committed to buying it, but… probably.

49) I was all set to write off the Geoff Johns/Ivan Reiss Aquaman as a combination of two guys with a penchant for violent comics with a title that has a history of dead babies, but then I saw the following at Comics Alliance:

Johns decided that his take on Aquaman is that the public of the DC Universe sees Aquaman much like the real public, and police officers and random people on the street keep thinking of him as a “right place, right time” guy in the Justice League. Johns stated that he’s trying to inject a lot more humor into his books as well as superheroes interacting with regular people instead of superheroes interacting with other superheroes.

Heeey, this sounds pretty cool in a Stan Lee sort of way. I’m not buying it, but I’ll be happy to check out the trade from the library.

50) Speaking of BRAVE AND THE BOLD (which we weren’t, because I changed the Aquaman bit): I collect Team-Up books and I was really hoping B & B would come back. Or at the very least we’d get that Lois Lane/Adam Strange story that J. Michael Straczynski promised.

51) Amd the last Number One I’m Buying? OMAC. Well meaning Kirby fan-fic or huge train-wreck or BOTH? I can’t not know!

52) And I’m buying Justice League # 1 like everyone else, but I’ve got a lot to say about it and we’re pushing 5,000 words already. So… another post! I sleep.

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How did I know that so many of the 52 responses would be negative?…… I must be psychic I guess.

One point to raise about DC having more success in the bookstore market, and questioning why they aren’t focusing more there…

Yes, short term, September is seeing 25 new #1s. But in a few months, DC will have 52 new-reader-accessible arcs to collect in graphic novel format for that bookstore market. Look at how successful a series like Green Lantern has been post-Rebirth, now that DC have been able to say, “Here is the complete Green Lantern saga, easily collectible.” Imagine that spread across the entire line. The appeal of “coming in at the start” without the massive backlog will carry over from the #1s of September 2011 to the Volume 1s of March 2012.

Man, The Light Brigade was awesome, wasn’t it?

HOW many times has Grant Morrison said he was gonna retire from mainstream comics? Twice? Three times? More?

Well, Alan Moore’s done it at least twice, so, y’know…

1) thanks
2) for
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Man, that was a complete waste of my time. All you did was complain, pick some seemingly random issues, bash on a few popular issues, praise some while saying you won’t buy them (wtf?) and basically say well I’ll probably buy one tradeback out of all of these. You don’t even read DC (zero titles each month, really?) so why are you disregarding the reboot when you have no previous basis for it?

“The thing I like about DC is this ‘Let’s throw crap at the wall and see what sticks’ attitude, that Marvel or even Fantagraphics don’t seem to have.”

Obviously you’ve never read Marville. :D

You know, you didn’t have to go outside the blog for a review of Myterius the Unfathomable, ’cause one of us did so here. I’m just saying. :)

OMAC is the only book I am really looking forward to buying because it’s the only one which is not taking itself seriously. Which was what the writer wanted to say he wanted. Weird, huh?

Yes, some of the Dark titles and Cornell/Lemire books look interesting, but they are not going to be surprising as Giffen’s OMAC. So there.

Responses!

1. Pretty sure they recently solicited another Hitman trade.

2. Damian is awesome. When teamed with Dick Grayson, it was Dick who was the relatable down to earth POV character, not Robin the Boy Bastard. Of course, I would write/buy a Robin the Boy Bastard series in a heartbeat.

3. ‘Just dumpin’ Barbara/Batgirl in a new # 1 as part of the relaunch feels like a huge missed opportunity.”

No. If you’re gonna do it, this is how you do it: shut up and just put the comics out. Don’t put out a mini-series that’s six hideously drawn issues explaining your retcon, just shut up and make the real story.

4. I finally finished the Rucka/Williams Batwoman trade which took eight years to come out, and… well, the art is really pretty but the story is a lead balloon for me, for whatever reason.

5. Justice League #1 can eat it.

You know, you didn’t have to go outside the blog for a review of Myterius the Unfathomable, ’cause one of us did so here. I’m just saying. :)

*cough*

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/tag/mysterius-the-unfathomable/

(Though I like Wally as father to the Incredibles most of all. I’m sure there’s AT LEAST three other people out there who agree. We should start a support group, drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes.)

I’d join, but then probably just argue about how you’re wrong on All-Star Superman and Doctor Thirteen at every meeting, so…

Stopped at the Damian Wayne thing. He may not be a POV character but I find him very entertaiing and when he’s around other teen characters-Supergirl, Batgirl/Stephanie Brown, Teen Titans he has been a joy to read.

Point 51 was “Quote of the month” material for me. Milk came out of my nose(well, Diet Pepsi but you get my gist) so thank you for that. I’ll be saying “I can’t Not know!” As my new catchphrase for the forseeable future.

7) And DC is going same day digital, too, I guess. There’s a running theme in 52-commentary that this is the REALLY BIG news here, and the relaunch was obviously designed to give new readers using EYEPADS and other pieces of dystopian future technology I don’t claim to understand an easy place to start buying. So points for business acumen. … Will DC save comics? Or DESTROY them?

The least discussed aspect of the DCnu is the problem that it creates for Marvel.

If the DCnu is a huge smash, then DC suddenly has a big advantage in both the mature (bookstore) and the growth (digital) markets. Marvel is left clinging to the declining direct market. Eventually, DC is able to match (and exceed) the money that Marvel is able to pay for talent. It essentially the opposite of what happened when comics moved from the news-stand to the comic shop.

If the DCnu is a huge flop, then it weakens the direct market to the point of near death. DC still has the option to keep re-printing stuff for the bookstore market, but monthly periodical comics would be very near to extinct. Suddenly, they are left scrambling after a digital business that has already been proven unreliable.

Either way, it is a big problem.

Their best option is that the DCnu is a modest success and vaults DC into a more equal market position while blazing a path for them to follow into digital. Really, the options for Marvel are “Lose a Lot”, “Lose Everything” or “Maintain the Status Quo”. Those are not choices that you want to be looking at under new management.

However, I am sure that they will have some silly “tear off the the cover” promotion to distract themselves from DC burning their house down.

Best thing to come out of Wildstorm?

The Winter Men.

We dont need a POV character to get into a book. You touch Damian and i’ll kill you. If we do need a POV Character lets give everyone new sidekicks, do it, I dare you.

I’m on board with it.

I’m just getting back into comics, now having the disposable income at hand and realizing my library’s trades can’t keep up with the book lust. I’m pulling 8 of the 52, will buy two more out of curiosity, but will more than likely stick with at least 5 titles as regular go-tos to go along with my few monthly Marvels and IDWs. This relaunch is gimmicky, yes; but it’s a gimmick aimed at people like me, just now hoppin’ back on the saddle, and my wife, who as a new reader doesn’t give two damns about anything other than “All Star Western” and “JLA Dark.”

Not only do I wish DC all the heapin’ success this stunt hopes to showcase, but with Marvel counter-punching back with some reboots, this ain’t too shabby of a time to be getting back into comics for sure.

Laughed at #26. Silver Age Superman is a gift that keeps on giving.

No single issue books for me but there are some books which interest me and if you people manage to buzz about them in interesting manner I will pick those trades.

Francis Manapul can write the crappiest Flash story in the world, and I won’t care. His artwork is amazing. I’m going to need to get my Flash comics laminated, because I know I’m going to be drooling all over them. Straight to pull list? You betcha.

I agree with point 17 and 18

Aside from Brian Cronin, the quality of CBR blogs is really dwindling. I agree with other commemorators that this post is mostly complaining. Wherever there is praise from a CBR writer, it usually just seems to be people jumping on the bandwagon of the latest trend. Spinoff is full of just ridiculous hack journalism. It’s a shame too, because overall this really is the best comic book news site on the net. I love CBR TV, especially those hosted by Jonah Weiland. I think he asks some good questions. It really needs a whole new team of writers though (again with the exception of Brian Cronin who I think is the best writer about comics today).

I’m not excited about every DCnu book either or agree with every move they are making, but I have a lot of hope that this will be brilliant and revitalize the company. Comics in general need a new direction. The event-era melodrama has completely jumped the shark. Both major publishers need to get grounded (and not in the way Superman was “grounded”).

I have like 30 DCnu books on my want list, but my budget will probably limit me to half that. =(

Reading these responses was…like reading the diary of a mad man.

…and that’s awesome! :) Enjoyed reading this, and I agree on a bunch of it. Ok, maybe not a bunch.

Rick: Well, now I’m sad and I’m going to cry.

I love how everybody hints around about, but not one will just come out and say it. Scott Lobdell is a HORRIBLE writer and all three of his books are going to suck. Since he’s Bob Harris little pal, these books will go on way past when normally they would either cancel them or change the writer and then they will still give him another book to write!

A lot has been said about the relaunch. My only 2 nitpick are 1) that DC didn’t try more non superhero comics in a superhero universe. Some may be confused by that but it’s simple.

Why no Jimmy Olsen comic? Commissioner Gordan/ Gotham Police comic? Amazons of Themescryria comic? S.T.A.R. Labs comic? Etc.

My 2nd nitpick is the Batman line. Apart from Batwoman and Scott Snyder on Batman, i feel like the line is full of missed oppurtunity. Say what you will about the early part of his run but Grant Morrison from Batman and Robin on during his tenure has been fun comics.

What DC is failing to captialize on ( as they did after Seven Soilders) is that Morrison has reintroduced several characters into play throughtout the Dark Knight side of the DCU.

By just having several books featuring various members of Batmans’ recruits from Batman Inc., their line would be more interesting, more fresh, and more diverse.

El Gaucho, Mr. Unknown, Nightrunner, Man O Bats and Red Raven. All are worth taking a shot on with the aim of reaching for more readers. Nice that Batwing is being given a shot. Too bad Babara Gordan as Oracle is not.

And as for Damian Wayne – one of most interesting characters in comics in recent years. Granted, he “debuted” back in the late 80′s but, honestly, he’s new character.

I put him in the same group as Amadeus Cho, Fantomex, Fat Cobra and Don of the Dead of new characters that enjoy when involved in the stories I’m reading.

How did I know that so many of the 52 responses would be negative?…… I must be psychic I guess.

You don’t need to be psychic. You can just look at the past 6 years at DC under this exact same regime and use common sense.

It’s like how I don’t need to be psychic to know the next Dane Cook special will probably be an unfunny bro-fest. I just need to look at every joke Dane Cook has ever told in his life.

Being fair doesn’t mean being a pollyanna.

@ Rick: If you had started with “Aside from Brian Cronin and Greg Burgas…”, I’d completely agree with you (and that way, Greg wouldn’t be sad).

I don’t agree with point 28. In my opinion, legacies are overrated. Whether he’s doing it just for the money (which I have a hard time believing), or because he really loves comics, if Morrison wants to keep writing, then he should keep writing. Why should he deny himself something that he likes doing just so he can keep an image? And it’s not like he’s been slipping lately. I still love almost everything he does.

And I agree with what everyone said about Damian. He’s one of the best new characters in comics. He doesn’t need to be relatable.

The least discussed aspect of the DCnu is the problem that it creates for Marvel.

If the DCnu is a huge smash, then DC suddenly has a big advantage in both the mature (bookstore) and the growth (digital) markets.

Yeah, but the likelihood of this being a smash are virtually nonexistent. They simply don’t have the brain trust that’s known for great long-term vision.

Jim Lee? Look at how Wildstorm was run. There was a short time when it had the best books on the market and the best buzz. What does he do? Sell the company to DC and they neuter it, especially it’s main draw, the Authority. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Bob Harras? Scott Lobdell? Maybe if it was the 90s speculator market.

Dan Didio? The guy who is clearly just making it up as he goes along? Who went from aging the DC universe a year by creating a linewide One Year Later line, then a few years later decides the problem is the DC universe is too old and decides to DE-age it by 6? Yeah, he’s not just throwing ideas against a wall to see what sticks.

The only consistently highly regarded things to come out under his watch either are stuff that flies under his radar (Secret Six), he has very little editorial input (Geoff Johns, Morrison, both are reputed to be safe from excessive editorial interference due to their architect superstar status) and the weekly series 52, which he was reputed to have HATED with a passion. That’s right, their biggest critical success under his watch was 52, yet it was the series he was said to have hated the most and complained about to anyone who would listen.

This constant talk on the blogosphere of what will happen to Marvel if this is a smash isn’t worth considering. I see no way on earth it can be given the level of editorial talent involved. There will be a few successes here and there and the novelty may carry it for 3-4 months tops, but it will be back where it was before if not lower.

I’m intrigued by Animal Man. Everything else… well I’m going to wait and see what lasts before getting invested in a title.

I am a reader and fan of both Marvel & DC (and so are my customers), but you really have to give DC some credit …

They took a look at themselves and the industry and saw what we the consumers/retailers already knew; the comic industry is losing steam. People are buying events, but when the event is over they don’t read the original title. They want to go back to the basics; great artwork & writing, and from what I’ve seen posted this last week it looks great. I hope for the best and hold criticism until the books are actually out.

But what about Marvel? They’re flying under the radar in all of this:
- They’re renumbering Uncanny & The Incredible Hulk, and most recently Daredevil & Punisher
- Typically they have 2-3 events going on at the same time and none of them related to one another.
- I’ve lost count of the # of X-titles they have and none are integrated well with the others, oh and they’re shuffling their teams again.

I hope they regain their focus like DC is trying to do, before the entire fanbase evaporates.

Marvel has been doing nothing but throwing garbage at readers recently. It started years ago. Remember that great big Civil beginning? Remember that great Civil War ending? Remember the moment Jonah and Peter Parker finally meet and share a moment right after JOnah and everyone finds out who Spider-man really was? Remember when Flash found out his favorite hero was the guy who he pushed around in High School and was shocked and amazed or some other great emotion that wasn’t denial?

Me neither. It was garbage. They couldn’t even write a Civil War or Unmasking scenerio and now the Spider-man books are terrible. They are gimmicks every other month. New Costumes. New Teams. Spider-Island…
…and it’s written like a it’s for seven year olds and the lead character has no personality other than ‘smile’ or ‘frown’. Tony Stark and Steve Rogers are completely different characters from who they were before, during or after Civil War depending on what idea Marvel has. If it’s ‘Happy Heroic Age’ time they are happy and not in conflict. They are not so much characters anymore.

It’s sad. I always loved old Marvel stuff. Even the secondary characters had great personalities.

I read four issues of Flashpoint and even though I didn’t get a lot of the references, it was well written and exciting. I hope the hurricane doesn’t affect the relaunch too much and hope everyone gets out safe. I can’t wait to read this stuff.

You said somethin’ about bringing Tomasi back. Well, he will be writing Batman and Robin, so he’s got a Batman book and one that promises to be interesting (dealing with bruce as a dad). I’m excited for this and that Scott Snyder is writing regular Batman. But I’m most excited for the Dark and Edge stuff. I’m a fan of the different in comics and I worry that DiDio will see the sales and just keep DC churning out the same old, same old.

(also, a book about Frankenstein by Lemire, and a book about the super-violent Red Lanterns by Milligan are reasons to buy comics again).

Also, in regards to Marvel. Right now Jason Aaron seems to be deciding a lot of the X-Men stuff. His Wolverine run is great which makes me pretty excited for his X-Men book starting in September.

I also quite like Kieron Gillen on Generation Hope and Uncanny. Most excited i’ve been for X stuff since Morison and Whedon.

Oh yeah, I meant to say, I agree with Apollo9000. I wish a couple more of the Batman Inc. people had their own series (Cassandra Cain as Blackbat, and especially Man of Bats). Batwing was one of the least looked at and least interesting ones. I like Winick and I’m going to check it out but come on: A DIY, Native-American Batman? How much fun would that book be.

This was depressing.

I didn’t know that they were nixing Oracle but that is a massive waste of a very good character, it’s also hard to go back to that now. Are you going to have Joker shoot her again? Also, what’s the point of doing Birds of Prey without Oracle? I think 15 is optimistic.

Lookin’ forward to Stormwatch, Justice League Dark, Demon Knights, and the 4 Green Lantern books.

Oh yeah, and the Frankenstein book.

Dick Grayson back as Robin within 15 years? OK, 15 years is a long time, but how would that work? A complete reboot?

Well, crap. I THOUGHT I had this scheduled for tonight at midnight. It was mostly done – all the content and all the jokes were there and it was basically coherent, but I wanted to go through and spit and polish add some images and correct the really bad typos and get rid of the jokes that just….didn’t… work.

And I totally missed typing up one of the most important points:

# 53: But overly planning can be a bad thing, too. Until very recently, mainstream comics have always been produced with little-to-no-time for thought, and that gives ‘em a pulpy, straight-from-the-id, full steam ahead feeling. I’m hoping the quick turn-around-time gives the line a full-throttle, punk rock energy.

“I would be buying WONDER WOMAN CHRONICLES, SHADE: THE CHANGING MAN and HITMAN in trades, but I b’lieve DC stopped producing all of them.”

You believe wrong. They’ve announced the next two ‘Hitman’ trades, 5 comes in December (and is better than the old volume 5), 6 comes in April, and they’re super-big. Together, they take it through issue 50, so there’s only enough issues after that for one more volume. Meaning that it’s likely that the whole series will be collected by the end of 2012.

good to hear about Hitman!

I was worried it would fizzle out the way the Sandman Mystery Theater and Shade trades seem to have. I’ve had to read them online which I hate to do. As soon as more trades of them come out I will immediately buy them (SMT was the most frustrating…come on, only 12 issues left to collect!)

My only disappointment regarding ‘Hitman’ is that the old volume 5 is the one I got signed. I can’t even sell it because it’s personalized-signed. But the new volume 5 has so many extra issues that I’d pay the $30 for it even without including ‘Who Dares Wins’, so it’s not *that* bad.

Nice to hear about Hitman. Maybe I’m mis-remembering, but it seems like it’s been a long, long time since the last trade.

Damien:

Hear me out on this. I think the character’s fine. And I like how he provides a familial link between Batman and R’ah Ah Ghul. That’s potentially great story fodder.

But if I ran the relaunch, I’d have him adopted. His parents, carefully selected by Talia from thousands of candidates are… I dunno… bankers or something, and they want him to be the best… banker… or whatever. So they push him really hard, physically and mentally. So the kid is already a superhero by both genetics and environment.

Then, about age ten, he finds out who his real parents are. He’s already kind of a surly bastard – again, genetics – but this pushes him into complete ##$hole territory. He’s stuck between three sets of parents. He eventually chooses Bruce/Batman but there’s always a part of him that feels shamed for “abandoning” his birth-mother and foster parents.

Plus it gives the writers a chance for a “Damien Wayne in the third grade” flashback mini-series. Which would be brilliant,

@ T. -

This constant talk on the blogosphere of what will happen to Marvel if this is a smash isn’t worth considering. I see no way on earth it can be given the level of editorial talent involved. There will be a few successes here and there and the novelty may carry it for 3-4 months tops, but it will be back where it was before if not lower.

My opinion of Jim Lee is higher than yours, but otherwise I agree with your assessment of DC editorial. The most damning thing about them is their failure to make major creative changes to coincide with the relaunch. They have apparently missed the markets rejection of IDENTITY CRISIS aesthetic over the past couple years.

However, a ton of cultural stuff has been popular over the years that I would not buy on a bet.

Say what you want about middle-aged fanboys, but we are a fairly discerning audience. To make my personal “Top 50″ comics list, a story has to vault over everything from WATCHMEN to that random issue of MARVEL TEAM-UP where Spidey met Red Sonja. Newer readers are likely to be less demanding. I, VAMPIRE #4 (or whatever) might just be that comic for someone.

Is this the line-up of 52 comics that I would personally select to re-launch the DC line? Not really.

For better or worse, I am no longer their target market. They have decided to chase the same narrow slice of the population that most movies, video games and the music business are chasing. I wish them luck, because it is a notoriously fickle audience that has grown accustomed to not paying for their entertainment. I would have spread my bets around a little bit.

Honestly, I wish them the best. If nothing else, seeing someone go all in is exciting.

“Nice to hear about Hitman. Maybe I’m mis-remembering, but it seems like it’s been a long, long time since the last trade.”

The reprint of volume 4 came out in April. Two a year is pretty good for a series that ended a decade ago.

I’m very excited about Justice League, Action, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, The Flash and Green Lantern. The ‘Super Friends’ haven’t been universally served with better creators since the 70s or even the 60s.

I’m also very stoked about the return of Peter Milligan, especially on a team book with Deadman, Shade and John Constantine. I’m thrilled about Deadman’s new prominence. And a Snyder/Paquette Swamp Thing sounds dreamy.

I get all the arguments against the Barbara Gordon Batgirl. I get what a great and important concept and character the Barbara Gordon Oracle has become. And certainly removing the most (deservingly) iconic wheelchair bound hero in comics is not especially in line with the idea of increasing diversity in comics. But I love the Barbara Gordon Batgirl. I won’t lie. I’m getting this and I’m excited about it. And I love Gail Simone too.

The second tier Leaguers seem to be getting short shrift in the creator department. Daniel and Tan on Hawkman? No thanks. And Krul on Green Arrow has been the most forgettable run in… well it was a forgettable run.

About all the Young Justice titles look not just bad but actually scary.

I think the thing that excites me most though is that the JSA is going back to Earth-Two, and into the very capable hands of Robinson and Scott.

I enjoyed the article. Thanks for it.

I think CBR has plenty of good writers! I liked this particular piece, for instance, enough that I had it linked on CBR’s front page!

batmanjones:
Wow, didn’t know JSA is going to Earth-Two, and cool that Robinson is writing it. I should catch up on his stuff then (still need to read all of Starman, etc.).

Glad to hear someone else is excited about Milligan and Simone. Firestorm seems to be getting no love, nor Red Lanterns (which I think is a perfect book for Mr. Milligan).

Nice article, but it seems like they’re kinda talking out of their asses about Morrison, and they’ve mistaken him for Moore. He LOVES superheroes and Supergods states that explicitly. Sure, it doesn’t hurt he gets paid. And I don’t remember him ‘retiring’ from superheroes.

Wow Someone who doesnt like All Star Superman, I thought they were just a myth.

I don’t really have anything to say, but I’m the 52nd comment on a post that is 52 responses to DC’s 52 new #1 comics. So there.

What’s disappointed me so far about the re-launch is how, well, lackluster most of the last two months’ worth of books have been.

Green Lantern: Emerald Warriors have been “done in one” stories featuring Guy Gardner the last three issues, and they have the feel of a puff pastry. One quick bite, it’s gone, and you wonder why you bothered. Same for GL Corps, as the biggest thing we got was Kyle and Soranik’s break-up, ’cause otherwise New Guardians makes even less sense. They finally ended the rolling train wreck that was “Grounded” in Superman, just in time to completely wipe away all of that with his re-boot-ness. The Doomsday storyline in Action was somewhat less train wreck-y, but still, neither issue really makes for a good coda for one of the more successful runs of the Man of Steel.

True, not ALL the books have been thus. The last issue of Wonder Woman was strong, largely due to the efforts of Phil Hester, who ought to teach mythology. The last issue of Secret Six was GAIL SIMONE!!! GAIL SIMONE!!! GAIL FRIGGIN’ SIMONE!!!!!

The lack of Secret Six in the DCNu is just one more reason Dan Didio and Bob Harras shall burn in the 14th level of Hell: The level where you stand in line for coffee for 99 years, everyone in line next to you rambles on and on about how their day is going so well while the whole time they’re sneezing and coughing in your face, and at the end of the line the coffee is ice-cold, weak, and has a fine layer of mold growing on the surface. FOR ALL ETERNITY.

I’m certain that, in the fullness of time, I’ll have many many more gripes about the DCNu, the trunk-less Superman, the Secret Six-less-ness, the fashion faux-pas feature Fury of Firestorm, and others, but for now, let me mourn the DC universe that I remember.

@Stephen Bergstrom: Wow, you really painted a picture there, nicely done. Maybe you should write a book for DC. :-)

And I completely agree with you. The lack of Secret Six is my biggest complaint of this new DC. I realize that Gail Simone will be having her dream gig with Batgirl, but it’s still a shame.

Damn, I should have said something about losing Secret Six for the revamped-and-probably-terribe-Suicide Squad.

Adrian – Yeah, you’re probably right. I definitely remember Morrison talking about moving away from mainstream-type-comics after Batman and I’m sure he did the same after X-men, but I’ve spent the last hour reading interviews and the positive stuff he says about superheroes outweighs the negative by A LOT.

It could be that I’D rather see another big-ass Invisibles type project from him. I think he’s improved greatly as a writer in the interim – although even back then he was really Goddamn good.

The biggest problem that these companies are facing is very, very simple: The almighty dollar. What DC is doing by rebooting their entire line is (assuming, for the sake of the argument, that every book will cost $3.50) they are asking their readers, new and old alike, to spend – potentially – about $200.00 on a gamble. Comic book companies have one and only goal: selling comics to make money. This is a big, big risk for them… Especially considering the economics of. Gas is about $4.00, depending where you go… And DC wants us to use our hard earned spending money on a gamble.

Personally? I only read trades at this point – PRECISELY because of this kinda shit. I’ll give it six months, check out the reviews, and see what kind of reactions the books get.

Predictions:

Aquaman – despite having Jones and Reis… It will be ok as long as they leave that team on it. The character just sucks. Just call him Seaman and get it over with.

Action Comics – Morrison’s take on Big Blue changed my opinion of the character. This, I will read.

Justice League of America – HHAHAHAHAA!!! Jim Lee on a monthly? He hasn’t finished All Star Batman, and
he had Frank freaking Miller writing for him. I give it 2 issues before it’s delayed, or Lee is replaced.
Just look next to the UPC code, watch as the list of names grows.

And one more thing: If DC wants Geoff Johns, JMS, and Grant Morrison to helm their universe… Then just do that. Don’t let other people write their ideas… Because it will suck (Battle for the Cowl?)

In defense of Liefeld, I’d hire him too… As an underwear model.

Fun article, with some excellent reader comments.

Hey Mark,
Thanks for giving some pointers.

I always wait for the trades… first because they are permanent and I don’t need another long box in my basement, but also because it is the only way to avoid reading tons of crap. I wait until someone can tell me definitively that a comic is worth my time.

So, please keep working on the front lines, enduring the crap, so that casual readers like myself can sit back and reap the benefits. If the DC reboot leads to even ONE timeless, extended series of excellent story telling, it will all be worth it.

Saying a line of comics for teenage GIRLS went TITS up was a brilliant turn of phrase, and the Poochie the Dog reference was genius.

Loved the article as a stream-of-consciousness thing…

Being a Claremont fan, I’ve been a sucker for female protagonists for years, so I’ll definitely be picking up Batgirl (if only to hate that it’s Babs and not Stephanie and hope beyond hope it might actually be good), Supergirl (as I’m intrigued by the whole-I don’t like Earth people much- angle they’re going with), Wonder Woman (curious what direction they’ll go in), and maybe a few others.

But a big part of me wants this to fail utterly, so we can get back to the pre-new universe characters quicker.

What Grant Morrison are you thinking of here? Because it bears little resemblance to the real one.

Getting Justice League because I really want to read about a team that consists of mostly the characters you associate with the League – Supes, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Barry Flash, Hal Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Atom, Firestorm, Hawkman.
It just seems like it’s been a loooooooong time. I mean, even Morrison’s JLA – which I LOVED!!! – had the younger Wally West Flash and Kyle Green Lantern. And while Morrison did a great job with those characters adn I have nothing against them, the fanboy inside of me loves the idea that after a couple decades there’s a Justice League book on the stands with the originals!
And while Geoff Johns makes me nervous ’cause I love some of his stuff and hate other projects, I’m hopeful he’ll make it fun. Lee’s not my favorite artist, but I’ve got to admit that his work is detailed and fun to look at.
Also looking forward to Lemire’s Frankenstein, the return of Resurrection Man and Demon Knights.
Oddly, though a big Morrison fan, I may skip his Superman. I enjoyed All-Star Superman, but this “reboot” just doesn’t do it for me. I don’t want Supes to be mistrusted by the public. I want Krypto. I want the Fortress of Solitude, a bazillion colors of Kryptonite, Lex as the evil scientist, Brainiac, etc. etc. etc. Maybe Grant will some way, some how touch on those things, but so far it sounds like he really is trying a different approach to Superman. This is Man of Steel for 2011. I ‘m sure it will be an immensely great read but it’s not something I want to read.

Mark Andrew,

Totally on board with your request for that JMS Adam Strange/Lois Lane Brave and Bold to see the light of day.
For crying out loud, it was solicited AND we got a cover.
It really bugs the hell out of me that that issue was never released. It sounded fantastic.
I get JMS moved on to other projects and gave up monthly comics for at least a while. But that issue was supposed to be in the hopper.
What the heck, DC? Release the damn thing already as a DC Comics Presents. Or pull a “From the Vault” like Marvel’s doing. You seriously expect us to believe that you have the cover and solicited it, but a script/artwork were not ready? It must have been far enough along.
And is JMS REALLY so busy that if it was only a half-finished book he couldn’t wrap it up? C’mon. It’s one freakin’ issue. Get it together guys and release it. We want our Adam Strange/Lois Lane team-up!!!

it’s = it is
its = something belonging to it
it”s = not a word

I haven’t read new monthly comics in over ten years–I buy new hardcovers, back issue runs on ebay, and check out trades from the library. Basically, I became the kind of person that’s contributing to the death of the comic industry. For a long time I’ve been trying to find a way to get back in, knowing that if I want to support the comics market, I have to actually do so with my wallet, and in a comic shop. DC’s new 52, for better or worse, has given me the way back in that I’ve been looking for. So for me, at least, the DCnU is finding success in the exact way DC is hoping it would.

I plan on getting 25-30 of the first issues, and then whittling that down to a steady diet of 15 or so monthly books by Christmas.

Here’s a rough order of how I’m prioritizing the 52 series:

1. Swamp Thing
2. Stormwatch
3. Action Comics
4. Batman
5. Batwoman
6. Demon Knights
7. Animal Man
8. Justice League
9. Batgirl
10. Wonder Woman
11. Justice League Dark
12. Justice League International
13. Frankenstein
14. Superman
15. Flash
16. Voodoo
17. Nightwing
18. Red Hood & the Outlaws
19. Grifter
20. Resurrection Man
21. Mr. Terrific
22. Teen Titans
23. Green Arrow
24. Static Shock
25. Legion Lost
26. Legion of Super-Heroes
27. DC Comics Presents
28. Suicide Squad
29. Batwing
30. Catwoman
31. The Dark Knight
32. Our Army at War
33. Birds of Prey
34. Deathstroke
35. Firestorm
36. Supergirl
37. All-Star Western
38. I, Vampire
39. OMAC
40. Superboy
41. Blue Beetle
42. Aquaman
43. Blackhawks
44. Batman & Robin
45. Captain Atom
46. Detective Comics
47. Savage Hawkman
48. Green Lantern
49. New Guardians
50. Green Lantern Corps
51. Red Lanterns
52. Hawk & Dove

1-19 are titles that I’m definitely trying out the first issue (with the top 8 qualifying under “very excited for” status). 20-45 are titles that I’ll flip through the first issue on the stands, and if it blows me away (or gets great word of mouth), I may pick it up. 46-52 I’m definitely not getting. I don’t want to bash anyone, so I’ll just say that Tony Daniel and Rob Liefeld are creators whose work I don’t personally enjoy. As for the GL titles… well, I don’t really like the way Geoff Johns has built that universe–too much emphasis on the mythology, the events, and the high concepts, not enough emphasis on the characters. I realize this is circumstantial to when I grew up, but the Ron Marz run on GL is the way I prefer to see the character. Also, I thought the movie was wretched, so that soured me on even wanting to try out any of the titles.

In general though, with only 7 out of the 52 titles on my “no” list, I would say I’m in the camp that thinks DC did a good job with this.

However, even with full judgment reserved until the issues actually come out, I don’t think they did a GREAT job. I agree with previous posters that too few of the creative teams absolutely blow people away with the names. And you can’t help but feel like there are too many great writers out there who should have been involved (Waid, Busiek, Rucka, Dixon, Brubaker, Aaron, Vaughan, Ennis, Ellis, etc.), but they’ve either been pulled away with exclusive Marvel deals, or their relationship with DC under the Didio/Johns era has gone sour for one reason or another. You can’t help but wonder who some of these creative teams would have been if this new 52 would have happened even just five years ago. Granted, this is just me, but only having 8 out of 52 titles elicit extreme excitement is too few.

But complaints aside, I’m looking forward to the issues, and I’m looking forward to going to a comic shop on Wednesdays for the first time this millennium.

Hehe. That was amusing, especially the reaction to Teen Titans. Although I think you’re wrong about Stormwatch, I see that as a sleeper hit and a chance for Paul to pull of some of the crazy shit he started to do in Capt Britain and that he did do on Wisdom.

I already hated the look and pitch of the new Suicide Squad, but based on that quote Adam Glass= more of a moron than I thought. You know what the movie of Casino Royale was? Not a Bond for a new generation. Far from it. It is updated in the tiniest ways, like telegrams into text messages, and is otherwise the closest adaptation of a Bond BOOK, (as in, yes, published in 1953, Ian Fleming’s Casino Royale) that we’ve gotten since From Russia With Love.

Man, Screw Adam Glass.

Yes, that image is EXACTLY the way the Suicide Squad would look in the real world. (snicker) Man, tell Adam to go screw Glass. Preferably a bag of broken jagged shards. Asshole.

Hey Doug! (I tried to call you a couple weeks ago but I don’t have your number. We should fix that.)

Yeah, ‘s our job to keep an eye out so that most comic fans can get on with raising families and such. That’s the point of comic bloggers.

And trades are absolutely the way to go… But I’m sucked in by the NEWNESS here. It’s a bunch of number ones. I want to read them FIRST. (And if the exact same content had a # 514 on the cover, I’d be absolutely content to wait for the trade. I’ve been programmed in some very strange ways.)

I am looking forward to the reboot. What I think would have been better was for DC to go to numbering their comics with the year as the volume and then the issue number for that year. So for instance the latest Justice League would have been Volume 2011 Issue #1. This way there would only be one #1.

About 5 years ago I got back into buying comic books again because of DC. I was hooked on Birds on Prey, LSH and other titles. I got back into buying Action, Detective etc. Some weeks I’d spend as much as $30 on comics, mostly DCs. By comparison I’ve only bought a handful of Marvels. Last week was the first time in 5 years I didn’t buy a single DC. This week I bought 2 independents. The ending of the original Action Comics and Detective Comics, coupled with the creative castration of Oracle turned me off DC utterly. All 3 were totally unnecessary and unforgivable. Rebooting characters, etc. I could care less about because, as noted, it’s been done many times before. But ending the 75-year runs of the original comic books (which had symbolized continuity and the survival of print and the comic book medium) and the decision to undo Oracle show the company is only interested in profits. So they lost me. Maybe I’ll start buying Marvel, or maybe the time is for me to simply let comics die (at least as far as this consumer who spends a lot of money on comics is concerned). I haven’t decided yet. Right now the only comics keeping me interested in the medium is IDW’s Doctor Who, Boom’s Farscape, and the new Kevin Smith version of The Six Million Dollar Man.

The Lavender Skull

September 26, 2011 at 1:26 pm

Adam Glass and his new Suicide Squad are fucking jokes. Those guys ripped off a character called, surprisingly, Hammerhead, from an independent book called Hard-Bullied Comics with their “new” King Shark. Seriously, the artist Federico used to draw hard-bullied. Check it on graphicly. I first read about hard-bullied right here on this very blog and ended up loving it.

it’s a fucking shame that this little punk ass Glass and his artist Federico are stealing from an independent creator like this and no one is saying anything about it. Fuck those guy and their lame, creatively bankrupt book.

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