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3 Chicks Review Comics – Episode 025

IT’S EPISODE 025! aka “THE TIME TRAVEL CAST”!

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Inside this episode! This week we review Young Justice #0, Anthology Project Volume 2, and Warren Ellis and Jamie McKelvie’s Secret Avengers #16. For the hot topic this week we talk about Kids Comics and the future of comics. Speaking of kids comics, who wouldn’t want to read more stuff like this by Mike Maihack?! Adorable! Chick of the week this week is Stephanie Brown, which means we’ve now featured all of the Batgirls as chick of the week.  And since Batgirl #1 debuts next week, we’re glad to get in a well-deserved memorial to the character on the record!  Continued apologies for the background noise that comes and goes folks…NYC, and thus my apartment, continues to be a sweltering August nightmare. Woo summer is so conducive to podcasting!

Episode links!: Anthology Project, Anthology Project Previews, Anthology Project Tumblr, Kelly’s CBR review of Secret Avengers #16, Sue’s review of Young Justice #7, Sholly Fisch, Waking Up Abbey by Agnes Garbowska, Katie Cook’s Gronk, Katie Cook’s blog, Mike Maihack, DC Fifty-Too’s Supergirl/Batgirl #1. DC Fifty-Too’s Dex-Starr: The Red Lantern Kitten!, Jon Morris’s Batman, Girl-Wonder.org, Project Girl-Wonder, Dimestore Dames, Scans-Daily Super Steph Series.

3 Chicks Review Comics is a podcast featuring female comics lovers and bloggers Sue from DC Women Kicking Ass, and Maddy from When Fangirls Attack! along with me, Kelly Thompson. Tune in weekly to CSBG every other Monday at noon as we review comics, and discuss hot topics of the week. In addition to the blogs above, you can also follow us all on twitter as well: Kelly, Maddy, and Sue. Special thanks to Nik Furious for our awesome 3 Chicks theme song.  Follow CSBG and Kelly on twitter, so that you never miss a She Has No Head! post or 3 Chicks podcast!

*As always beware of spoilers if you haven’t read the books in question!


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@Deus_ex_machina: Yes, because nobody has ever bungled pronunciation on an unscripted podcast before.

You’re a class act.

“phase”, eh? Now I understand the Roman’s disdain for barbarians.

@deus_ex_machina Kelly mispronounced something. I do it all the time too. When you are taping early morning and tired you are more prone to making mistakes. Clearly you never do and hence the need to stop in and focus on that. That being said I take offense at your peppering your comment with the reference to “a special bus to school” which clearly is a crack about developmentally challenged kids. Now THAT is horrible.

Man, the dicks just jump on any thin excuse for their daily dose of hatin’ whenever the gals post here.

@deus_ex_machina I followed this link from a very off topic post on Facebook. I think its funny accusing the hosts of illiteracy without knowing what the word means. Now please find something else to complain about rather than making yourself sound like the stereotypical Internet troll stuck up on minutiae rather than the substance of what is being said.

Btw I doubt that Jay from Happy Harbor really cared for what you said either.

I know this is gonna be an unpopular opinion here… but I don’t understand this “WE NEED MORE KIDS COMICS!” buzz that seems to be propagating as of late. I think there should be great comics for all kinds of people, and by no means am I saying that children shouldn’t be included in that as well. But why is there such a desperate need for kids comics featuring the corporate superhero icons? I understand the pull of nostalgia on 30s-60s-ish readers who wants to see comics available to kids the way comics were once available to them, but I think that the creators and companies should make whatever comics they want to make regardless of age limits.

Plus, it’s a different market now. The business model has drastically changed and comics are increasingly becoming luxury items. In the 80s, you used to be able to buy months (maybe even a year!) worth of comic books for the price of a video game. Now you can only get three TPBs at the most, which is about two hours of entertainment, right? That video game will last for tens to twenties of hours at the least. If you’re a kid with a limited allowance, what would you buy?

Plus, don’t discount the fact that kids are getting HUGE exposure to comics through the libraries and the Internet. I feel like comic book readers are having this “sky is falling” type of conversation with themselves online, almost completely disregarding the ample amounts of webcomics that people are consuming for free everyday.

@Nick The reason I was focusing on kids is because while there are lots of comics for them to read, there isn’t much out there for them to read from DC outside of the library and the few titles they put out now. Marvel, as we said, does better. Kids do have many things pulling for their attention, if comics wants a next generation they have to, I believe, hook ‘em young. And it doesn’t have to be all new. DC used to do titles like Batman family which had one or two new stories and lots of reprints. Imagine a Shonen Jump type book with lots of comics printed on cheaper paper in a big volume for a few dollars.

@Nick: Well I think I already made my argument in the cast. Clearly it didn’t compel you. To each his/her own.

I don’t think that kids DO need comics with corporate superhero icons available to them, but I don’t know why corporate companies would be myopic enough to think that they can just create material to market to those kids once they’re teens or adults and just hope they’re interested and will suddenly want to spend their money with them. Hooking someone when they’re young, especially to a medium such as comics, which is not as prevalent these days or as “easily ingested” as TV, video games, movies, etc., is pretty key.

I agree with you about the cost, which is one of the reasons I said I think DC/Marvel should take advantage of the digital platforms being developed and provide less expensive content for younger audiences regularly, thus hooking them into the characters and medium (although digitally) earlier in their lives and for a lower cost.

I don’t know how much we “need” comics aimed at kids, but I should hope that if DC is publishing a comic like Young Justice based on a cartoon, that there’s advertising ON THE TV SHOW for the comic. That “as seen on CN” on the cover of the comic is great, but I’m guessing a lot more people are seeing the cartoon and would pick up the comic than are seeing the comic and going, hey, there’s a cartoon of that?

Your argument of hookin’ ‘em while they’re young is a good one, though.

While we’re apparently nitpicking here, I assume that in the “inside this episode” you reviewed Young Justice 7, not 0. No big whoop, though. I highly doubt the internet’s collective IQ is dropping because of it.

and doesn’t “Romans disdain” need an apostrophe in Romans somewhere?

Hell, I didn’t know how to pronounce “deus ex machina” until I heard a New Pornographers song off their “Challengers” album.

Hey, if that’s the worst thing out of a, what, 2 hour podcast, I’d say you’re doing pretty well.

dang, i must have missed the deus-ex-machina troll comment! :(

@Nick: come on, man. ¬_¬

Yeah, Kelly left up the first of the troll’s comments so that people’s responses would make sense, but I don’t feel right keeping such an obvious troll comment around.

I have to agree with Nick about the kids comics thing. Digests have been tried before and failed miserably. DC tried it throughout the 80s with the blue ribbon specials and took a bath on it. Similarly, marvel tried it with toy tie in properties like Alf, Transformers and GI Joe as well as with Power Pack and other titles and that bombed as well. The pocket book reprints also failed (even though those were freaking awesome).

I don’t understand the mindset that says “lets ignore history and keep doing it even if it doesn’t work”. Since trying to reach children through digests and monthlies clearly doesn’t work, why not reach them in venues that DO work, such as animation and toys? That is how kids are connecting to these characters, not through monthlies and digests. I was introduced to superheroes through other media before I knew what a comic book was. I learned of Superman through reruns of the old George Reeve tv show and the filmation toons, Spider-Man through the old sixties cartoons and I’ve been a die hard comic collector going on 30 some years now. People who never picked up a comic before were pissed off that the Green Lantern in the new movie wasn’t a black guy. How do you suppose they got that in their heads? Animation.

People saying “well, even though they don’t sell, DC/Marvel should just do it anyways” regarding projects that historically don’t work makes absolutely no business sense at all.

I also have a beef with this constant drum beating about the imminent death of comics. I think we hear this on just about every 3chicks pod cast. Marvel sales have remained basically the same for the last 3 decades. DC’s slice of the diamond pie chart has diminished, true, but are they not doing 2nd and 3rd printings on the new “52”? Superhero movies are being cranked out all the time. The independents are making some of the best product ever. Superman and SpiderMan are being rebooted for yet another generation. Superhero movies are booming. Live action superhero tv shows are more prominent than ever. A decade long run for smallville and new shows coming out from Marvel soon. And all of this during the worst economy in history. I can just imagine what will happen when the economy starts to come back. So really…when is this supposed death of comics supposed to happen again?

@Brian H – I’ll start with the bottom of you comment and move up. We are not talking about the death of “comics”. Comics as a medium is in one of its most exciting periods. There a any genres and digital has proven to be a potentially great delivery platform that help them become even more pervasive. But superhero comics fare in a free fall. Sales are down at the big two. DC Comics did this reboot because of it. I recommend you read this article: http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/08/22/dc-comics-exclusive-covers-batman-superman-revamped-heroes-and-digital-will-save-the-day/#/0
The whole thing is eye opening but this quote stands out:
“The truth is people are leaving anyway, they’re just doing it quietly, and we have been papering it over with increased prices,” DiDio said. “We didn’t want to wake up one day and find we had a bunch of $20 books that 10,000 people are buying.”

And yes while the the launch of JL #1 has been touted as a success (and it certainly appears to have been as well as a great shot in the arm) let’s remember that 5 years ago DC sold over 200K copies of the first issue of Justice League without this level of investment.

The idea that selling to kids “ignores” history ignores that the superhero outlets still don’t have a good plan for getting the young readers in the seats. The issue is trying to create the moment between seeing John Stewart on TV and becoming someone who will fork over $2.99 to $3.99 for a comic book.

The success of lots of cheap comics digested together in the 80s may have failed but the success of Shonen Jump shows that it was the package, it was something else. Also as we said, approach has something missing from other ventures – digital. Digital is part of the comics industry moving forward. The idea that they wouldn’t try and bring in younger readers this way seems like a lost opportunity.

Prior attempts at getting kids to read comics may have been viewed simply through the lens of financial folly. But as the article above points out, the industry is in such a state that it needs to be viewed as investment marketing.

Relevant to this episode, I just found out that the world’s first comic book store for kids has opened up here in Toronto: http://sequential.spiltink.org/?p=9487

@Travis Pelkie

Is DC allowed to run Young Justice comics commercials during the Young Justice cartoon, or might that run afoul of some kind of regulations? Parents groups used to get up in arms about advertising merchandise during the show it was connected to.

@Maddy: Yeah I thought it was crazy how your episode was timed with that announcement. Serendipity!!!

@Sue: You’re right about DC’s efforts definitely being lackluster compared to Marvel. I wonder how well Marvel’s anthologies sell in the newsstand market. Ever since they launched the Ultimate line, they’ve had newsstand anthologies in constant publication, sometimes at a much better price than direct market comics. But I don’t know anyone other than myself that’s ever bought one. I’ve seen them in supermarkets, Targets, bookstores, and drug stores… but never in anybody’s home.

@Kelly: It’s not that you didn’t convince me so much as I wanted to toss out the Devil’s Advocate viewpoint. I don’t think you’re wrong for wanting to see more kids comics. I just personally disagree that kids are going to flock to comics when there’s better kid-focused material available. I think the real way to attract kids is to market “up” and produce YA-ish material with the intent of getting 8-12 yr olds interested. Actually, I think that’s pretty much exactly what the Ultimate line was all about when it first launched. But then Ultimates became a hit with adults, and all of a sudden the line was a critical hit and there was no need to emphasize the teen-friendly aspect anymore.

@Ross: WHAT?!?!? Am I not allowed to be negative and/or trollish??? Hahaha.

In all seriousness, I’m like the world’s worst barometer for good kids comics. I make extremely adult comics because in many ways that’s what I was raised on. I was reading Crumb between the library shelves when I was 10 and loving it. Same for Maus, etc. My parents never expected comics to be adult, so they never thought to look and see what they were like. It was frowned upon if I brought home an issue of Spin magazine, but no one bothered to see what was happening in the pages of X-Men or whatever other violent and/or sexual comics I was busy reading at the time.

And I think there’s something to be said for letting kids reading something a bit beyond their age range (not Crumb, obviously, but I think Batman is okay), even if it is borderline inappropriate. It gives them a chance to learn and grow by exploring more adult themes in a fictional way (rather than testing the waters with their everyday actions). I mean, yeah, a six yr old shouldn’t be doing that per se… but there are comics on the market for six yr olds, even if the options are minimal.

I’m also with @Kelly that the expansion should be digital. At this point, print media is more of an acquired taste. Kids should have comics where they live — online.

With all that said, lemme ask you this: is the new Justice League #1 a good read for an adolescent kid? Because maybe part of this relaunch is a way to recapture the age range ambiguity of 80s comics. That would explain why Flashpoint was so violent. It may have been a last blast type of thing for the writers and artists to go nuts with the violence.

I’m sorry I caused such consternation with my time travel comment. Kelly summed it up pretty well, Sue, but I’d like to clarify that I don’t have a big problem with just stating that someone has a time machine and going from there, but when writers try to explain it like it’s possible – that’s just dumb, because it’s so impossible. That’s where I know I feel stupid, but I always ignore the pseudo-science, because Warren Ellis using a bunch of scientific jargon doesn’t mean time travel is impossible.

Nick: The only reaction I’ve heard about Justice League for kids is on the Splash Page (which Chad linked to in his random thoughts), where Tim Callahan said his son enjoyed it. I can’t remember how old his son is, but he’s in the 10-12 range, unless I’ve completely lost track of his age.

@Greg Costernation?! Not at all, I got your point as soon as Kelly clarified it but we decided to derail anyways! How else would I be able to mention Time Tunnel! XD
@Nick Justice League #1 is fine for a 12 and up.

@Sue

“The success of lots of cheap comics digested together in the 80s may have failed but the success of Shonen Jump shows that it was the package, it was something else.”

You’re making the same old mistake of confusing the sales and popularity of manga with the sale of superhero properties.

You mentioned the “Runaways” digests in the podcast. That did not sell well at all. Disguising superheros in manga clothing has already been tried and it hasn’t worked.

“We are not talking about the death of “comics”.”

Well, Kelly phrased it almost exactly in those words but ok.

“The idea that selling to kids “ignores” history ignores that the superhero outlets still don’t have a good plan for getting the young readers in the seats.”

We’re kind of going round and round here. They already have reached out to kids as far as monthly comics go and it hasn’t worked. You can argue that they should keep doing it to, as you say, invest in the future. And if reaching out to them through webcomics and digital works then so much the better. But this is a business that is supposed to make money. They aren’t making money off kids in the field of monthlies. They never will.

And why does there have to be a step between watching John Stewart in the cartoons and buying comics? There is no middle step needed and that’s the point. It’s a natural progression. It’s A to B. There is no A and a half. There are movies, animation, toys, merchandising. That’s all that’s needed for that specific age group. I do agree with you that DC isn’t as good at reaching out to the kids as Marvel. But DC is in a different boat because they’re seeing their share of the sales diminish much much faster than Marvel. If DC tries to saturate the marketplace the way Marvel does they are dead. DC knows this already which is why they’ve been cutting back on trades over the last year. So if they’re doing that then why would they turn around and geer up for a big push to a demographic that traditionally doesn’t buy their product until their early to mid teens?

@Brian:

I apologize for not clarifying that I was specifically speaking about “mainstream superhero comics” when I made my comment. I’d have thought that the comment could be understood when taken in context – the context being that we were clearly talking about “mainstream superhero comics” and “specifically DC/Marvel” – but you know, why just try to give someone the benefit of the doubt…instead let’s freak out.

So yes, I apologize for not PERFECTLY clarifying during recording that I was speaking about MAINSTREAM SUPERHERO COMICS and SPECIFICALLY DC/MARVEL.

As for sales. We clearly just disagree here. You seem to think if something doesn’t instantly make money, or the methods tried before didn’t work then it’s best to give up. That’s your prerogative. I disagree. I believe it’s better to keep trying to capture that market’s money (including trying different books, price points, delivery methods, and new media – i.e. digital options) and that companies this big need to (and in some ways can’t afford not to) take the longview and see it as investment marketing. I believe that you might never make big dollars selling YA/all-ages comics to a younger market, but that it will naturally grow your older market – which is shrinking and dying out (and here again I refer specifically to MAINSTREAM SUPERHERO COMICS). You don’t. Big whoop. I suspect this is the first time ever that people have disagreed on the internet. I wonder if the earth will stop turning?

@Brian Wait no comments about my rebuttal to your assertion that comics aren’t dying?

I’m not sure why you say the Runaway’s digests weren’t successful when Vaughn pointed to them as a reason for the title’s success.

And of course companies need to make money. But they also have to create and sustain their markets. As we specifically said this needs to be though of as a marketing expense than a revenue play.

And the reason there needs to be a step between watching John Stewart and picking up the newest Green Lantern is that the natural progression isn’t working. Kids have a million things to spend their dollars on. By the time they are ready for the full fledged comics their money is going to online games, console games, and other things. That’s why you have to get them in the habit early.

I’ve been tempted to listen to this podcast as i really enjoy Kelly Thompson’s reviews and occasional essays at CBR (top notch analysis of Rucka’s Batwoman). It’s the inclusion of Sue (DCWKA) that’s kept me from doing so.

Her online commentary seems so unnecessarily harsh, shrill and borderline nasty for no reason that I’m quite hesitant to listen to her speak. She seems to enjoy hating for the sake of hating and revels in anything negative about DC. That’s not what comics are about.

I’m a huge DC fan, specifically DC heroines, and this type of podcast seems a natural fit. But I just imagine Sue bringing along her online negativity and pathological need to be offended while running roughshod over everyone else on the podcast and spewing more of her hatred and constant attention seeking (she was online begging for review copies the other day. So tacky and desperate).

If anyone has listened to this podcast, can you share if she’s less negative and nasty than she is online? Perhaps she’s not so hostile in that environment with others to reign in her disturbing hostility.

@Jing Li-Wu: I would suggest listening to the podcast – you’ll know in two seconds whether it’s for you or not, and it’s free so you have nothing to lose.

That said, I vehemently disagree with your analysis of Sue – from her perspective on comics to her personality. I’ve come to know Sue very well over the last year and she’s a hell of a lady that works tirelessly trying to support comics (specifically DC) and to also not be blind to their faults and to call them as she sees them, regardless of whether it’s popular or not.

I appreciate that you say you like my work, but I have to be honest, Sue and I align probably 85%+ of the time on these issues, so either you like Sue more than you think you do, or you like me less.

@Kelly Fair enough. I would hope it’s the former. I found her blog several months back and was so excited to see something that was so specifically targeted to my tastes. But the tone is so negative at times and so hostile towards people who disagree with her views (I’m a voracious comment reader).

For instance, i don’t think everyone who doesn’t like the new Spider-Man is necessarily racist: they may just prefer the traditional character. Nor do I believe that DC is overly hostile to female characters as there’s not a single female Marvel character who has an ounce of the cultural cache of a Wonder Woman, Supergirl or Catwoman. Female titles also last at Marvel (the long-waited and ultimately stillborn Spider-Woman, for instance) a fraction of how long they get a chance at DC (i.e., “Manhunter”).

Some of us also like the idea of a single Superman (swoon!), Barbara as Batgirl and far prefer Stephanie Brown to Cassandra Cain. We all have opinions and it’s a beautiful thing to share those without being vilified. Sue’s blog, though, is so hyperbolic and mean spirited at times that even when one agrees with part of her criticisms, her delivery is so hostile that it’s difficult to take any of it seriously.

I may give the podcast a listen. You may align on issues, but your presentation displays far more maturity and dignity than that of your colleague. Eager to hear your thoughts on Batgirl and Batwoman, both of which look to be fabulous.

@Jing Li-Wu: I think you’re misrepresenting or misreading Sue pretty drastically based on this comment. First and foremost, her entire blog is devoted to the DC Women she loves (hence the name) and she is a constant advocate for them. She doesn’t even read very much Marvel…so I’m not sure where you’re getting a take from Sue that Marvel is superior when it comes to female characters…if she believed that her site would be called “Marvel Women Kicking Ass”. Sue is the last one to advocate a position that anyone is superior to the Women of the DCU as she’s devoted her entire blog to talking about them.

That said, she loves those characters with a fervent and devoted passion and it pisses her off to see them mishandled by DC (I agree). Just because you love something doesn’t mean you don’t have thoughts about when it’s being mishandled (etc).

To imply that Sue thinks that “anyone that doesn’t like the new Spider-Man is racist” is just flat out wrong. Sue would never say this, or believe this. I read most if not all of her coverage about the new Spider-Man and I know she finds him very important in the scope of comics (as do I) but I know she also understands why some people were upset by it, as any fan that has had a character they loved killed or benched or relaunched or retconned into oblivion. There is no way Sue was calling people who spoke reasonably about not liking the change or feeling bad because they missed their character a racist. She may have singled out comments that appeared ACTUALLY racist (of which there were many throughout the internet), but that would be because they seemed RACIST.

Stephanie Brown? Sue is a HUGE advocate of Stephanie Brown. She has recommended Bryan Q. Miller’s Batgirl probably more than any other single blogger around. She talks constantly about how much she loves the character and the book. She also loves Cass, but she doesn’t believe loving Cass means she can’t love Steph. If you’re looking for someone that doesn’t like Stephanie Brown…look no further than me. I’M the one that has never liked Stephanie Brown (though Miller’s series went a long way toward changing my mind). Still, regardless of her personal feelings about Babs v Steph v Cass, I can’t imagine Sue vilifying anyone for preferring one over the other. Where are you getting this idea?

One thing to keep in mind with Sue’s blog…and this may or may not change how you think about things, but I urge you to consider it. Sue, while she’s well-supported by a ton of fans and readers, also gets a metric ton of shit thrown her way for having opinions about comics and writing them down. So if she comes off harshly to you or unwilling to tread lightly when some BS shows up in her comments section, it’s because she basically runs DCWKA as a volunteer job, because she loves it and has a genuine passion for it. And yet as thanks for her efforts she has to deal with a bunch of trolls, haters, stalkers, and creeps on a daily basis. It’s enough to make one quick to shut things down when you see where it’s going (and it’s usually pretty easy to see where it’s going).

Lastly, or perhaps separately, I should add that in one of the MANY issues on which Sue and I agree…you will not be hearing my thoughts on Batgirl, because I am choosing not to read the book. I am a big well-documented fan of Gail Simone’s and I’m sure she’ll do well on the book and I wish her the best, but I aggressively disagree with DC’s decision to “erase” Oracle, not to mention one of the only non-able bodied heroes in the DCU – certainly the most visible one. So I am boycotting that book.

Anyway, give the podcast a try, or not, but I would urge you to look at little more closely at DCWKA…I really think you’ve got the wrong idea on what her positions actually are as what you’ve described here in no way reflects the site that I read daily,

Sue is awesome. I don’t get how you can get “shrill , harsh and nasty” out of Sue. Does Sue have some strong opinions? Sure, but she quite clearly loves the characters she is talking about. She just had an extended bit about Lois Lane that was pretty much a love letter to the character. Not only that, but if you check out Sue’s blog, a lot of it is just her posting various cool things related to DC women around the blogosphere (including a bunch of artist drawings). In fact, to double-check, I just looked at Sue’s blog and I’m not seeing any “shrill, harsh or nasty” stuff on the front page. There is some occasional snark, but it is seriously minor compared to the stuff that is just a celebration of the medium.

I dunno, I’ve actually been in the same room as Sue (without knowing it), at the Boston Comic Con Frank Quitely panel, and I could feel Sue’s negativity permeating the room, overpowering me with its—

Oh, wait, that was fanboy funk. Never mind.

Seriously, I’ve only been able to listen to one 3 Chicks ‘cast (due to crappy computers, and wanting to avoid spoilers, nothing sinister), and I don’t remember Sue being ultra negative. The things I am aware of where Sue is “negative” seem to be when DC decides to crap on the characters she loves.

And aren’t we all negative when the companies do that to our faves?

(actually, first reading Brian’s comment in my email, I wondered why he was suddenly defending Sue Storm so much — WTH? I was thinking. Then I read further…)

Little tip for the men of the world: NEVER describe a woman as “shrill”.

That’s the language of sexists and trolls.

When a guy describes a woman as “shrill”, it means he’s dismissed the content of what she’s saying, in favour of assuming he knows what she’s saying without listening. It means he believes people should listen to his own ignorance before anything else, because his own ~manly~ voice with its ~manly~ opinions isn’t “shrill”.

@Jing Li-Wu: so weird, i always find Sue’s blog to be super positive, to me it even kind of sticks out like a sore thumb amidst the negativity found in a lot of comics-related spaces.

i think there’s a sentiment going around that any kind of criticism or critique equals unhealthy or off-putting negativity, or “hating,” a kind of “why not talk about the comics you DO like instead of hating on the ones you don’t?” sentiment, which i don’t really get. you critique something when you care about it, and criticizing something doesn’t mean it’s bad or that you can’t also like it while criticizing it, or that criticism is always “this sucks, the end.” the need for perpetual positivity in comics is reductive and silly and can squelch real, important criticism.

i would stand at Sue’s side until the ends of the earth.

@Brian H: i like this juxtaposition: “I also have a beef with this constant drum beating about the imminent death of comics… Marvel sales have remained basically the same for the last 3 decades.” see the contradiction there? XD

also this:
“Superhero movies are being cranked out all the time. The independents are making some of the best product ever. Superman and SpiderMan are being rebooted for yet another generation. Superhero movies are booming. Live action superhero tv shows are more prominent than ever. A decade long run for smallville and new shows coming out from Marvel soon.”

the problem there is that all but one of those points are NOT COMICS.

“i would stand at Sue’s side until the ends of the earth.”

@Ross: But what if Sue was the one destroying the Earth and when you least expected it she kicked you into the molten lava that was once our world’s glorious oceans just because she wanted to watch you melt down to the bone. WOULD YOU STAND BY HER THEN?? HMMMM????

@Nick: if that’s how it went then i’d be dead and wouldn’t be able to contemplate if i’d made the right choice.

@ross/nick: I think it still would have been the right choice. ;)

Sue will be overjoyed to know that when she decides to promote herself up to Maxina, Sshe’ll have pliant followers…lol

(Sry couldn’t hold that one in)

As far as the kids being exposed to comics on other platforms deal, this has been a point that I have made for years even before I got involved with blogging, commenting, podcasting, and overall bitching (for the lack of a better word). For instance, DC had gold in JL/JLU on TV, attracting millions of viewers all over the world. Yet you never saw 1 commercial before, during, or after promoting comics. Even if that retarded rule was still in place (meant to limit toons like GI Joe and Transformers more than this honestly), it was a missed golden opportunity to extend the brand. The same could be said about Marvel with X-Men and Spider-Man in the 90’s

or

Even more recently, Disney has its D23 convention bringing their diehard fans for three days together. Marvel couldn’t have had a discount booth selling their more kid friendly titles to some who haven’t dabbled yet? Think about Power Pack or the Marvel Adventures titles or Pet Avengers being sold next to BOOM!’s Darkwing Duck, Uncle Scrooge, and Mickey? The business hurts itself without using all of their available resources IMO…

As to Sue, I may not always agree with her opinions being mainly a Marvel Zombie but I do respect her rights in conveying them. And honestly, she does a lot of research and speaks with a passion for her favored characters that I wish that The Big 2 would always show for their characters.

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